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:Hello Moneytrees. Thank you very much for your very clear explanation. And thanks also for those Copypatrol reports, which are very useful. Perhaps you could explain here how my having a p-block from mainspace, instead of an indef block, would affect me. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]]) 17:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:Hello Moneytrees. Thank you very much for your very clear explanation. And thanks also for those Copypatrol reports, which are very useful. Perhaps you could explain here how my having a p-block from mainspace, instead of an indef block, would affect me. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]]) 17:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::I'd then be able to make an informed decision, if it were to be offered. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]]) 20:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::I'd then be able to make an informed decision, if it were to be offered. Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]]) 20:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
::::Also, I notice in the [https://copypatrol.toolforge.org/en/?id=53693882 Concorde report], that no distinction is made between free text and directly quoted speech. So is that quoted speech part of the coyvoio? Is all quoted speech potentially a copyvio? How do you tell? Thanks. [[User:Martinevans123|Martinevans123]] ([[User talk:Martinevans123#top|talk]]) 21:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)


:::If it were to happen, you'd be able to edit your sandbox, as opposed to putting drafts on your talk page. But I need to tell you that, at this point, it has zero chance of being offered. I think it's pretty much final that the block will stay indef for now. Take as much time as feels right to you (does not have to be a specific number of months, despite some people talking about six months), and then see what you might want to ask for. No hurry. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)
:::If it were to happen, you'd be able to edit your sandbox, as opposed to putting drafts on your talk page. But I need to tell you that, at this point, it has zero chance of being offered. I think it's pretty much final that the block will stay indef for now. Take as much time as feels right to you (does not have to be a specific number of months, despite some people talking about six months), and then see what you might want to ask for. No hurry. --[[User:Tryptofish|Tryptofish]] ([[User talk:Tryptofish|talk]]) 21:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)



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Peace is a state of balance and understanding in yourself and between others, where respect is gained by the acceptance of differences, tolerance persists, conflicts are resolved through dialogue, people's rights are respected and their voices are heard, and everyone is at their highest point of serenity without social tension.


Martin, As you archive so regularly (unlike some editors ...) I thought that this would
a) Brighten up your page, and
b) Add a serious tone amidst all the hilarity.
All the best to you and yours –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 11:08, 24 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. A lovely picture. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:03, 26 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I have made a little seasonal update - hope you don't mind! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:02, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not at all. The snow has almost vanished.
A Christian feast commemorating the resurrection of Christ; the first Sunday following the full moon that occurs on or next after the vernal equinox, neither earlier than March 22 nor later than April 25.
I hate this BST ... why can't we stick with good old GMT? (... it follows the sun after all)
Cheers!
Gareth Griffith-Jones – The WelshBuzzard – 10:27, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
now, I ask you, what kind of alphabetical (or significance) order is that?!!
Yours, aye John Lemon
Have always loved that record. Good compilation of photographs ... who is the geezer in the middle — at 1 min 32 secs? –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:28, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]
For some reason, he always reminded me of Nixon!
Oh! Of course. I knew that really –
 – Gareth Griffith-Jones |The Welsh Buzzard| 20:47, 31 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]


... my own personal permanent fixture tribute...
You turn your back for a just a second and some strange Swedish person sneaks in and steals your records!!

Please don't donate generously any more (.... and add whatever you like!!):

Jukeboxland - never try and sneakily enter at your own risk
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

All deleted, on the advice of User:Fram, in case there is a copyright problem.

Blocks all round?

!
"They've got womanly breasts under pale mauve vests,
Shoes like dead pigs' noses,
Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers,
A mouth what never closes."
Please, Mr. Admin-robot, don't be a Blockhead.
Oi! Oi! ... Cornflake packet jacket, catalogue trousers, A mouth what never closes...
Their shapeless haircuts don't enhance, Their ghastly patterned shirts.. (allegedly)

"I'm a tail dragger, I wipe out my tracks"

  • What do you call a boomerang that doesn't come back? A stick!
  • I couldn't quite remember how to throw a boomerang, but eventually it came back to me.Boing
  • The other day I held the door open for a clown. I thought it was a nice jester.clown

Enjoy .micro.dot.cotton (talk) 18:04, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"OMFG". Not seen you for a while, Dot! I thought you'd been sent down for at least 30 years for giving Nasty Nick his last ever WP:GAR. But what a lovely musical gift! Hours of Manchester fun. lol. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:32, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
There's a lot of malicious tongues round 'ere, and you know me, I ain't one to gossip, but apparently Ethel's ghost still lurks in the corridors, and has been seen at night asking "where's my willy?" .micro.dot.cotton (talk) 19:16, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Ooo, tongues-a-wagging, eh? That's the last thing you need, dearie. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:57, 26 September 2015 (UTC) ... but everyone needs a friendly ghost![reply]
[1] EEng (talk) 20:40, 26 September 2015 (UTC)[reply]
A great tool for all new users, I feel... "Big hello to big Father Jack Wayne, xylophone." Martinevans123 (talk) 21:24, 26 September 2015 (UTC) In years to come, future civilisations will say "Ah, so Wikipedia was useful, after all."[reply]

Editor of the Week

Editor of the Week
Your ongoing efforts to improve the encyclopedia have not gone unnoticed: You have been selected as Editor of the Week for your determination and dedication to help the encyclopedia grow. Thank you for the great contributions! (courtesy of the Wikipedia Editor Retention Project)

User:Ritchie333 submitted the following nomination for Editor of the Week:

Coming up to 9 years of service and 77,000 edits, Martinevans123 is truly one of the unsung heroes of Wikipedia. On the surface, you may know him for his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour, which I always enjoy, but beneath the surface lies someone who toils away day in, day out, on keeping articles in better shape. He doesn't go for the big awards like GAs and FAs, but he really does make the encyclopedia better without much reward. This nomination was seconded by User:Yash! and User:MelanieN.

You can copy the following text to your user page to display a user box proclaiming your selection as Editor of the Week:
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Martinevans123
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Editor of the Week
for the week beginning February 27, 2016
9 years and 77,000 plus edits, wit and humor hide an unsung hero. Daily work at articles to make the encyclopedia better without much reward.
Recognized for
his witty banter and Private Eye-esque visual humour
Nomination page


Thanks again for your efforts! Buster Seven Talk 19:35, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Right, that's it! Please accept my resignation! 19:43, 27 February 2016 (UTC) p.s. but many thanks, anyway. That was really unexpected. I am deeply touched. (allegedly)
The award is usually distributed on Sunday. Due to the unexpected amount of touching displayed on this page you have been penalized with an additional day as Editor of the Week. This matter has not been discussed with the other WER clerks (Are there any other WER clerks?) and cannot be rescinded or changed in any way. Buster Seven Talk 20:08, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I'm very pleased to see that you are keeping up the old traditions. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:01, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very well deserved it for your amazing contributions! Congratulations! Yash! 20:11, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Haha. Well, as Debbie might say .... "I'm always touched by your presents, dear." Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Better as part of the Charivari, I guess, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Oh yes. "Rough "cat" music" sounds fine to me! [2]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
We miss an article on your trophee [de], seriously! Cat music is not all there is to it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:16, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as Google tells me: "Traditionally, it is used by men in the codpiece of costume lederhosen worn." I'll see what I can do! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
It has come to the attention of the Editor Retentions' Board of Clerks that you may, perhaps, could be, in possession of a much desired and rarely displayed Official Wikipedia T-shirt. The report states that it is black with the The Wikipedia Globe prominently displayed. The report further states that you may have had your name imprinted on the front (potentially an act of vandalism). This would imply that you have already received accolades and "pats on the back" for your efforts. If that is, in fact, the case you may suffer the misfortune of having an additional day added to your week. The issue is under review. You will be advised ASAP. Buster Seven Talk 22:07, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
To be honest, I often do feel just like running away.... But chosing the right t-shirt can be such a delicate task (boyo) Martinevans123 (talk) 22:42, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Many many congrats M. This is well deserved - thanks so much for all you do here at WikiP. MarnetteD|Talk 22:29, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, MarnetteD. That's very nice of you. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:50, 27 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
@Ritchie333:: please confirm receipt of that large Paypal payment, which seems to have paid off this time. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:10, 28 February 2016 (UTC) [reply]
I thought we were just going to settle quietly for a pony and a Greek island? Draws less attention to the taxman. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 13:04, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Darn it, Threesie! There's no need to make a song and dance about this. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Jeez.... talk about an "embarrassment of riches".... I now appear looking like some medieval ballet dancer, wielding a rustic baseball bat, with a low-slung Bavarian jockstrap and half-mast socks from the trenches. Do you take me for a complete fool?? Martinevans123 (talk) 21:37, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
I count myself very lucky to get this glittering award. A Ram Invents123 (talk) 13:08, 28 February 2016 (UTC) [reply]
Um....the baseball bat is more of a fungo bat, actually. It's used to hit fly balls to the outfielders during batting practice. And the Bavarian jockstrap is, um, obviously for someone that is well-endowed. Plus, its a Fool card. Not a Complete Fool card. I thought you would like it. The tights have a "slimming" quality, don't ya think? Buster Seven Talk 07:14, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Well, that's me corrected and suitably slimmed. But you know what they say "... wherever the US Army goes, the fungos too. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:22, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
So long as they are good herding dog socks with a royal pedigree, then hang on to them, but do keep them pulled up. Robevans123 (talk) 23:34, 29 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, feck!

My Mrs Doyle tribute edit

RIP Frank. Shaken but never stirred. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:47, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Now, and what do you say to a WikiCup? "Feck off, cup!" Mrs Doyle (talk) (cont) 13:54, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on, go on..... Martinhacket123 (talk) 14:05, 28 February 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Gaming

Those who can, do. – Sca (talk) 15:12, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yes. And the rest of us make facetious comments at ITN Nominations. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:21, 1 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Norma Waterson

On 2 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Norma Waterson, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 05:29, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "When the last rose of summer pricks my finger And the hot sun chills me to the bone". (Richard Thomoson on guitar) Martinevans123 (talk) 08:32, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
February songs
frozen
Thank you! - Today is a feast day for which Bach wrote several cantatas including Mit Fried und Freud ich fahr dahin, BWV 125, which was on DYK 10 years ago and TFA 4 years ago. I'm less happy that Georg Christoph Biller had to wait days for a Main page appearance under recent deaths, and then stayed not even for a full day. It would have been so meaningful today, with the man in the cantata saying he can depart in joy and peace. - The February pic was taken in memory last year. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Biller is back for a bit, - I found a merciful soul. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Jolly good. Norma Waterson is a truly wonderful album, full of song gems. She was a true folk legend. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:58, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, I agree! - I like my talk today (keeping Biller a bit longer, and even explaining how it works). - I was really cross that instead of Biller's name, we had white space for several hours, - who*s served by that? - I managed to picture two more vacation days --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:53, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Today, I decorated my talk with a Bach cantata. I heard it last year when missing RexxS began, and "not letting go" was a theme. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:41, 6 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Valentine's Day edition, with spring flowers and plenty of music --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:55, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Gerda. Is your figure less than Greek? (Lou Levy: piano, Max Bennett: double bass, Gus Johnson: drums) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:30, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
funny ;) - we have the church not only for you (new pic, did you notice) but also for that saint, - it's precious and features the spiral of justice --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:45, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, I remember... Gerechtigkeitsspirale. Quite remarkable. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:47, 14 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
22 02 2022: music for you, today the German Main page has de:In Freundschaft, and you know the long story behind it. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:33, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
from Ukraine
to Martin

Ukraine on my talk, choir singing in "your" church in 2009. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 19:28, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Did you know.... that John Hughes, who once worked at the Uskside Foundry in Newport was the founder of the village of Yuzivka in Ukraine, later renamed Donetsk! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:11, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
prayer for Ukraine (2021) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:29, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Amazing.... Mykola Lysenko and ah, look it's St. Martin, Idstein. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:35, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
that's what I meant by "your" church ;) - you get the pic when you google "Oreya choir", DYK? - When it appeared on our Main page, Yoninah was impressed and thought it was my first - those were the days. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:50, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, don't worry, I know, haha. My knowledge of Ukrainian composers has just been increased by about 500%. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:53, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
that's great! more of same with stress on Prayer for Ukraine, with a history from 1995 to 2022, - the article a work in progress, help wanted - translation of some of it would also help --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:28, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The pic I took in 2009 is on the German MP today, with this song from 1885, and I updated my personal pics to 3 March, when a symphony concert was dedicated to the victims of the 2022 invasion. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:33, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well done, Gerda! A beautiful image. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:35, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
DYK that I took it during a service, when I was at the front for communion anyway, and only afterwards noticed the reflection in the marble? The choir came several times, and once they sang me a birthday song at the reception. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:40, 5 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Christmas gift - just found searching for Dumka. Prayer for Ukraine will be on DYK tomorrow, finally, for the whole day. We don't take sides, they said. Really? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:49, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

BoJo

"Kremlin calls Boris Johnson’s Ukraine diplomacy efforts 'utterly confused'"

What did they expect? – Sca (talk) 13:04, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. And talking of professional clowns.... [3]
"British efforts to arrange a phone call between Johnson and Vladimir Putin were in flux after a previously scheduled call on Monday had to be cancelled by the British because Johnson had to answer questions from MPs about alleged Covid rule-breaking parties in Downing Street." - says it all, really. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:13, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And there's this. – Sca (talk) 14:49, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, Tobias Ellwood sounds a bit like a character from Thomas Hardy, doesn't he. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:23, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or maybe it's the New York syndrome coming full circle. – Sca (talk) 15:34, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: I once spent a very rainy fishing trip to Canada in a tent with The Return of the Native. Never did finish it. – Sca (talk) 15:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good spot! We'll keep the useful and intelligent one, thanks. Do you want the first one back? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:45, 2 February 2022 (UTC) p.s. Plot spoiler: Eustacia drowns herself, Wildeve drowns trying to save her, Diggory Venn saves Clym Yeobright by mistake, Clym goes mad and becomes a televangelist. So, all in all a happy ending.[reply]
Alas, the fishing trip failed to end happily. Our way back entailed 45 miles of poorly maintained logging road, which tore the muffler off my fishing buddy's Ford, and 250 mi. of highway, upon which we kept the windows open to avoid CO poisoning. For some reason my buddy and I parted ways after that. And I never read Thomas Hardy again. Thus were the changes wrought in North Ontario. – Sca (talk) 16:28, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Great song, thanks! TH deserves better than a fishy tent in North Ontario.... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:37, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
An overly moist one, too.
I didn't know TH was into happy endings. – Sca (talk) 19:16, 2 February 2022 (UTC)
[reply]
That was one of the happier ones... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:26, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK that Patti Smith did a cover of that great song? But long before that, she showed up with Young in this gig. (Sorry for the execrable vid quality, but I like the aural atmospherics.) – Sca (talk) 19:38, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I had no idea. Cool track. I wonder who were the other friends. Talking of surprising covers (really good, actually). Martinevans123 (talk) 20:25, 2 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Agree (though this user wasn't a Dolly fan). Try this iteration, with quirky instrumentation. – Sca (talk) 13:44, 3 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gotta luvva bitta Benji Franklin. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:43, 6 February 2022 (UTC) ...and a classic track by Linda from 1974 Heart Like a Wheel ...(Andrew Gold and Kenny Edwards harmonising)[reply]

20 - 17

Oh well, some consolation. It was all going so well, and then it went a bit dicky. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:44, 5 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good nooz at last

Johnson allies insist 'grownups' in charge of new team at No 10

Sca (talk) 12:57, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah good. He still looks like an overgrown schoolboy, of course. Let's hope that they sack him Martinevans123 (talk) 13:03, 7 February 2022 (UTC) ... good old Guto, great to know that Johnson is an incomplete clown[reply]

So long Sylvester

Take Me to the River with the Hi Rhythm Section (Hi 5N-2285, 1975). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 8 February 2022 (UTC) ...and Back for a Taste of Your Love (Hi 45-2250, 1973)[reply]

ITN recognition for Syl Johnson

On 9 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Syl Johnson, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Stephen 23:56, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "Watch me do the stroke one time, baby" as they say in Chicago, apparently....by Jove! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:19, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Barti Ddu

Mae ff ar gyfer ffwlbart.

You'll be proud to know that your piratical predecessor Bartholomew Roberts made German Wiki's version of OTD (Was geschah am 10. Februar?). – Sca (talk) 13:25, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Those ffolks from Ffishguard can be a bit ffirey. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:36, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't set ffish on ffire! --Tryptoffish (talk) 22:34, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yn gyfan gwbl nawr, dosbarth.... mae ff ar gyfer fforiwr, ffwl a ffwlbart! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 10 February 2022 (UTC) (but there's no effin' môr-leidr... )[reply]
WTFF? Say that three times ffast. (That three times ffast.) --Tryptofish (talk) 23:23, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What you need is Wisdom, Tenacity and Focus! (and yes, I can't even say it properly once). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:31, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's very kind of you Sca. But I see myself as more of a Jack Sparrow with a few added leeks. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:47, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

20 - 17 (again!)

Phew!! That was close... But a much bigger game than last week. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hiya M. Phew is right. Their play was much improved over last week. I miss Gareth Griffith-Jones all the time but much more so during the tourney. He was so generous in helping me to learn the ins and outs of the sport more than a decade ago now. Best regards. MarnetteD|Talk 16:32, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What a hero Dan Biggar was there. That drop goal came in handy! His 100th cap! Yes, no news from Gareth and am a little concerned as to his welfare. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:42, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I am as well. Even after he retired from editing I still heard from him at Xmas or New Year's and that didn't happen this December. MarnetteD|Talk 16:46, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have dropped him a line on his talk page, but I see his email is no longer enabled. I hope you are keeping well. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:03, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rats, that is not a good sign. I am certainly grateful to have met him - and you as well. I am hanging in there M. Here in the US the tourney started with one match a weekend on BBC America in 05 or 06. It shifted from station to station after that with most of the telecasts tape delayed. It has finally landed on the Peacock streaming service and that means I get to see all of the matches live :-) Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 17:28, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is a good outcome. Split across channels here in UK, which means in (only) half of the matches we get adverts. It seems the Frogs are currently pounding the Paddys 19-7 (can I get blocked for saying that?) Martinevans123 (talk) 17:39, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Most likely. Wait I think that frogs on pads is a scene in this story :-P MarnetteD|Talk 17:52, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Blimey!! Ireland have just almost equalised - 22 - 21! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:54, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A very fluid, open and clean game. But I think France deserved their 30 - 24 win. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I concur. I think I heard one of the announcers say that a part of their team is known as the "People's front - of Judea" or something like that. It brought a chuckle to my day. MarnetteD|Talk 20:30, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"When you're feeling in the dumps, Don't be silly chumps". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:33, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Atal yr ymddygiad hurt hwn

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you. Your behavior on the Heidegger TP is really ridiculous, to publish my location and then follow my edits on other pages. I've notified the admins of this, you really need to stop this nonsense! Cornelis Dopper (talk) 18:24, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Where is that discussion exactly? I don't see anything there. What "ridiculous behavior" do you mean? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:54, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And what do you mean by accusing me of "stalking you" here?? I reverted three of your edits at Ludwig Wittgenstein as I thought they were not improvements, and I gave a clear reason in my edit summary. Martinevans123 (talk)
I've seen new editors start a discussion at ANI and forget to leave the talk page notice, but never the other way round. Oh it's there now, I'll take a look.-- Pawnkingthree (talk) 19:07, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The original IP 213.124.174.59 has edited, seemingly without much incident, with about 123 edits, since 23 December 2000 (if this was indeed the same person). They were blocked for 24 hours yesterday. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oi!, Trypto.... you unashamed vandal.... "You burden me with your problems By telling me more than mine..." Martinevans123 (talk) 23:29, 15 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oy vay! I have no shame! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:41, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, Wiki is very big in Manchestar! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:06, 16 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

[4]

What is it?

Re: an image for ANI. I'm wracking my memory for where to find it, but do you remember that image that people occasionally post at ANI that shows a statue of someone with his face in his hands, with the caption "Not this shit again!"? I'd post it there, but I can't remember what the file name is. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:06, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You probably need to visit "the museums". Or is he also on someone's blacklist? But sshhhhh.... you never know who's listening (or watching), buddy. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:11, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We think alike! (Which should worry you.) I found it! By scrolling through EEng's talk page, of course! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:13, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And thank you so much for opening that AN/I thread. Please don't forget to inform me. At least, now it's open again, it gives plenty more folks the opportunity to close it again, in the wrong way. If it's not been spun to death before then. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:22, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
best image for ani, arbcom and such is Gerechtigkeitsspirale, see the link a bit above. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:24, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) Oh, no, I can't, I can't! It was threesies who opened it. I just put the header on it.1 But no matter, we're all deep in the conspiracy together. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:26, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
1And I didn't even get that right: [5]. Sorry! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:38, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fret ye not. AN/I in a nutshell: "Heads you win, tails I lose". Martinevans123 (talk) 22:44, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
For those playing along at home: [6]. Now maybe someone will block me, instead of EEng. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:29, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It's great when a complete WP:SPA unknown IP newbie can turn AN/I into such a jolly bunfight with a single valueless case, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:31, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed. How wonderful it is to edit here. (Honestly, since I logged on today, pretty much everything has left me facepalming. Maybe not as bad as that dude in the image, but still.) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:34, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Wait, a "bunfight"? Is that like a cockfight, but turned backwards? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As Gerda would remind you, it's like Easter has come early. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:39, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say something about cocks and hot buns, but I'm far too nice to do that. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 17 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And now excuse me, buddy. 'Cause I'm cuttin' in on you: Johnny "Guitar" Watson (1962). Martinevans123 (talk) 00:18, 20 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another stunning classic: "Reconsider Baby", Lowell Fulson (on Checker, 1954). Martinevans123 (talk) 23:21, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also..."Worried Life Blues" by Freddie King (1971) [7] Martinevans123 (talk) 23:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also... his first chart single (1961) was "You've Got to Love Her with a Feeling": [8] (Remastered 2015). (Sonny Thompson on piano):
The cops took her in
Now that woman didn't need no bail
She wiggled one time for the judge
And the judge put the cops in jail. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:26, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Signature

No worries re: my signature. It is a personalised one so one part links to my userpage and the other to my talk page, but the name is still PeeJay :) – PeeJay 13:19, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, PeeJay. I will take care to note that in future! I'm assuming no connection with this one, or indeed this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:45, 18 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Jack Smethurst

On 19 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Jack Smethurst, which you nominated and updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 06:38, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:34, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RIP Derek "The Draw" Hussey

Late of The Blockheads. "RIP Bona fide Geezer". [9] Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New footage

The Stones in their pomp Ceoil (talk) 02:37, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Or new to me at least. This stuff is mind bloggingly good. The swagger and haut of the Fall. Ceoil (talk) 02:40, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Exile on Main St. a classic, of course. Had not seen that footage before. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:53, 21 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Rukraine

Solidarity with Ukraine
Looks familiar

"Emperor Putin" -- ?? You mean Vlad the Invader?

Anyway, Graham Norton was right.[10]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 08:05, 22 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You know what they say... Proverbs 16:18: "Pride cometh before a fall. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:18, 23 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seems he's been telling a few fibs. Also, he seems to be a homicidal maniac. Like that other bloke with the moustache. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:18, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bloke was the Weirdle solution a couple days ago. Of course, I immediately filed a complaint. – Sca (talk) 13:25, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How very Yankee-doodle-dare you! We now have to put up with color, favor and labor!! Martinevans123 (talk) 13:31, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But I was basing it on our beloved & infallible MOS, which provides that U.S. topics must follow U.S. English style. Clearly, you can't FAULT me for that. – Sca (talk) 14:43, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What a very interesting dictionary! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:09, 26 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But he said that Russia would not invade Ukraine.[11] Oh wait a minute, he's a politician. It's a special peacekeeping and denazification mission, or something like that.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:36, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, he said it on 18 January. You can't expect a homicidal maniac to keep his word for more than a month a day, can you? But it's ok.... now he's just "targeting military installations with precision weapons". Ordinary Ukrainian civilians have nothing to worry about. Whether they are Nazis or not. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:46, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We look forward to China's special peacekeeping mission in Taiwan.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 17:58, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Look familiar? "12 Prominent People Who Compared Putin To Hitler Circa 1938" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:04, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And this.[12]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:10, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Gary Brooker

On 24 February 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Gary Brooker, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 17:33, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The original "Procol Harum"?
Thanks. Those were the days. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:48, 24 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Email

I emailed you, Martin. Tony Holkham (Talk) 14:59, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Tony. As I suggested in my reply, if anyone is on Linkedin, it would be very helpful to hear from them. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 27 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that was fun...

Tryptofish has brought you a glass of whisky – because it's NOT vodka! Cheers! (Sorry, Commons has no photos of Welsh whisky.)

You sure attracted quite an admirer, didn't you? [13], [14] --Tryptofish (talk) 23:12, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

A somewhat shorter Wikipedia career than he might have expected? I suspect that future IP and newbie edits at both Martin Heidegger and Ludwig Wittgenstein might attract more investigation. But three absurds in one single post might be a record. Ah, the joys of Spring: [15]! Martinevans123 (talk) 23:22, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, one absurd would have been enough for me. Brings a whole new meaning to tulip mania, doesn't it? --Tryptofish (talk) 23:27, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I know nothing about philosophy, apparently. I probably ought to stick to the London Underground, where I can just "mind the gap!", and stop tilting at windmills... Or just stick to something I do know about: [16]. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:40, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect that if you tilted at windmills, they would have accused you of being DONKEY HOTAY!!! Anyway, I wish you some peaceful editing. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:45, 28 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just had a look at that discussion and began wondering, early on, whether Mr. Dopper's Dasein was authentic, meaning that he could either choose and win himself or lose and never win himself, or whether it was inauthentic, fleeing in the face of his being and forgetting that he can choose and win himself. I guess nobody can really win for losing, and things simply are what they are. So, here's some Heidegger for you all, set to a soft reggae beat with tuba bass and tadpoles. ---Sluzzelin talk 12:37, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Kool beenz, Sluzz. You put the I and I into I-and-I Degger and you put the Dat into Datsein: [17] Martinevans123 (talk) 16:33, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"For guidance me bredrin, Is wha' ya have in dat dere bag? Him kinda get frightened An begin im be hide it beneat him rag"... etc., etc.
And who said anything about grave dancing?
He admitted to socking with IPs two weeks ago. If he'd just been indeffed back then it would have saved everyone a lot of time. Pawnkingthree (talk) 23:28, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now, now, we mustn't bite the noobs, must we. And besides Trypto wouldn't get his fun..... but yes. "All tits and teeth", as my Aunty Peggy used to say. Martinevans123 (talk) 23:35, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
With fun like that, I'll take, um, whatever is the opposite. --Tryptofish (talk) 15:08, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And who said anything about grave dancing?? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:17, 2 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's true that dancing can be a very grave matter. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:22, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed: [18] Martinevans123 (talk) 22:43, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

🎵 It's the most wonderful time

🎵 dyma'r amser mwyaf bendigedig o'r flwyddyn 🎵

No, not that one...

Of the year 🎵.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:36, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Dydd Gwyl Dewi Hapus a Dydd Mawrth Ynyd Hapus!! Martinevans123 (talk) 16:24, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Welsh Words To Use On Pancake Day!

[19]: "Gwahoddiad" performed by Gerard Cousins. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:03, 1 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pagotophobia

Classic pagotophobia may also be accompanied by Freudian "flake envy"

Did you know... that pagotophobia is the fear of ice-cream [20]?? As far as I can see, it's mentioned at Wikipedia only once, at Sucharita Tyagi:

"Tyagi made her film acting debut with a supporting role in the 2019 short film Lutf, co-starring Mona Singh and Vinay Pathak. The film, which follows the life a woman suffering from pagotophobia, or the fear of ice cream, was on released on Sony Liv on 10 October 2019, coinciding with the World Mental Health Day." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:11, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I won't say what Trypophobia is. But I'm pretty sure that anorexia is the fear of eating too much ice cream. Perhaps pagodophobia is the fear of pagodas. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:13, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Eat 'ur heart out, Billy Gibbons
Argghh, just like you! Always splitting hairs! Martinevans123 (talk) 22:52, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or stewing hares. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:07, 3 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, you temptress, you. Nice set of jugs! Martinevans123 (talk) 15:03, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
[21]. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:21, 4 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"What d'ya say, fellas.... ?" Central Scrutinizer 123 (talk) 20:34, 4 March 2022 (UTC) ... gee, hope I don't get pulled up on that one...

Plath

Hi Martin, the detail about gas knocking out the neighbour isn't given in the extant ref. Thoughts? Thanks. Anna (talk) 00:41, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Anna. Hope you are well. Thanks for pointing that out. I have adjusted the ref to cover the following page 104. My snippet view on Google shows: "The gas from upstairs had made its way downstairs and knocked him unconscious while he slept. He woke up late in the afternoon feeling extremely ill and disoriented. Dr. Horder saw him later and diagnoses him as having carbon monoxide poisoning." Hope that helps. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Clive Myrie

Hi Martin, I've just seen your edit reverting mine, saying "we usually reserve the infobox for notable spouses/family?" Is that the case? Because on most pages I've seen a person's spouse/children is listed regardless of whether they are "notable" or not. Samuel J Walker (talk) 19:06, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Samuel. I just checked Template:Infobox person and it seems you are right. It seems that parents and children must be notable, but not a spouse. Please revert my edit. Many thanks for asking. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:12, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Thank you for answering so quickly. Samuel J Walker (talk) 19:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March songs

March songs

Listening to the charity concert mentioned here. I created the articles of the composer and the soprano. Betovi just started. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:41, 10 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Now, you can also listen on YouTube, and more music, the piece by Anna Korsun begins after about one hour, and the voices call "Freiheit!" (freedom, instead of "Freude", joy). Music every day, pictured in songs. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:42, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

St. Patrick's Day, more music and today's sunset --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:58, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Gerda. Wonderful music, Saint Patrick's Breastplate part of the Liber Hymnorum, an 11th-century collection of hymns found in two manuscripts kept in Dublin. My dear Mum passed away on this day only three years ago. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:31, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So about when we sang it. My mom also died in March. We had tickets for Voces8 in 2020 RMF - cancelled. Hoping for this year. Patience ... --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
on Bach's birthday: the places where I sang his Dona nobis pacem --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:36, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Prayer is on the Main page, finally + new flowers, and btw: the TFA is a young writer's first --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:17, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Bless us with freedom, bless us with wisdom,
Guide into kind world,
Bless us, oh Lord, with good fortune
For ever and evermore.
Amen. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Amen. - Could you support the ballet dancer for RD? to make him appear on the Main page with the prayer? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:26, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Added my support. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:56, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He's "on". (His YouTube is gone ...) Thank you for all your help, including Bach's No. 1, today! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:22, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, YouTube. Very dodgy. Just can trust it. Haha. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:27, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sunday flowers and sounds, don't miss the extraordinary marriage of the beginnings of the theme of Wie schön leuchtet der Morgenstern, BWV 1, and Prayer for Ukraine - here! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
exquisite voice today - unofficial-looking yt Vienna 2020, you'll find it --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:08, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I advise you to look at my edit again. This link to the current deletion discussion was contained both in the AfD template and in my edit summary, perfectly in line with WP:AFDHOWTO. Please revert your edit. Thank you. Throast (talk | contribs) 18:47, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

User:cyberbot has now correctly re-added the template with a link that works. It's sometimes a good idea to at least outline the reasons for (yet another) AfD, by means of an edit summary and/or in a Talk page thread, so that other editors know why it has been suggested? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:53, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The link already worked in my initial edit. Besides, if hadn't, one should always consider improving over reverting. I don't see the necessity in adding a rationale in the edit summary because the edit summary already contains a link to the rationale. Copy-pasting it into the edit summary and/or on the talk page would obviously be overkill. Throast (talk | contribs) 18:59, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was redlink for me. Perhaps there is some unavoidable lag. If you are, as you say "happy to improve it", I would have thought the Talk page would be the first port of call. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The article has seen no significant improvement since it was first created in 2004 or so. Before nominating, I made sure to make a thorough BEFORE search because I actually came to improve the article initially. That being said, I felt that a deletion discussion was the most appropriate step. If sources are found, which I doubt, the discussion will be closed and the article improved. Sounds fine to me. Throast (talk | contribs) 19:22, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Article improvement is generally more successful as a collaborative exercise? Looking at Talk:David Firth, I see there is not one single suggestion/ invitation to try and improve the article. I'm also a little bemused that he's still deemed to be the primary subject, alongside David Firth (actor) and David Firth (statistician). Martinevans123 (talk) 19:32, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Firth AfD

Hello, writing you here because our back-and-forth at the AfD doesn't seem to be going anywhere. You're misunderstanding the core of my argument. The state of the actual article should never be part of one's argument at a deletion discussion and it's not part of mine. I am simply arguing that the subject does not meet WP:BIO now just as it didn't in 2008. I am not saying that the article should be deleted because its quality hasn't changed since 2008. That would be a bad AfD argument.

My rationale is clear and does not require clarification. If you don't intend to refute my thesis that the subject doesn't meet WP:BIO, which you could do simply by providing adequate sources, I don't see a reason to engage with you any further at the AfD. Throast (talk | contribs) 09:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good luck. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just for info- popty ping

"Let’s get the myth out of the way now. "Popty ping" is not the Welsh term for the microwave oven, sorry. A literal translation would be "the oven that goes ping", which, while being very Pythonesque, and incredibly funny, isn’t actually true. The Welsh word for microwave is "meicrodon" – "meicro" being Welsh for micro, and "don", the mutated word for ton (tohn), literally means wave. And "ffwrn" just means oven. I know. Dull, isn’t it?"

"And on the same subject, the Welsh word for jellyfish is not "pysgodyn wibli wobli" (puh-skod-in wibbly wobbly), or, in English, wibbly wobbly fish. Lord alone knows what comedian came up with that one, but it’s fairly new in the lexicon of non-existent Welsh words. For many years, the official Welsh term for the jellyfish was "cont y môr", academics have recently changed it to "sglefren fôr" (skle-vren vore = sea skater)." [22]. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

March 2022

Copyright problem icon Your edit to Jon Hiseman has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information. — Diannaa (talk) 16:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for telling me, although I don't appreciate the threat of being blocked. As usual, I tried to paraphrase as best I could. I would welcome a demonstration of how that factual sequence of events could be re-phrased. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:25, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As you probably know, the wording of the warning comes from the template, not from me personally. We have had many discussions about copyright going back seven years, where I have advised you in a non-template individualized way, so I think by now you should know my personal thoughts on the subject. Regarding this particular violation, the content was pretty much unaltered, and had not been paraphrased much at all. How I would likely do it is to omit quite a bit of the excessive detail about the location of the town of his birth, the occupations of his parents, his mother's maiden name, etc. The musicality of the family could be stated in a more general way rather than detailed extensively. — Diannaa (talk) 16:42, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your template is signed by you personally. I'm not sure what could be less detailed than "Woolwich, south-east London" except perhaps "Woolwich, London". I think what's in the infobox should be both mentioned and sourced in the text. I would have thought the details about his parents are all perfectly reasonable in a BIO article. Not sure how one paraphrases "flute and piano" except as "piano and flute". Phew, the lawyers can relax once more. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:51, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you would like to get a second opinion, please feel free to consult one of the people on this list.— Diannaa (talk) 17:19, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As ever, I am grateful for your advice. This has not been "seven years" of one-way traffic, has it? For some reason all of my copyright breaches have slipped past the other 8 editors on the list. I'm sure your suggestions, on how to avoid copyvio, are most welcome. I just don't really appreciate the threat that I "will be blocked from editing." Martinevans123 (talk) 17:40, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I agree. I can offer to spank you instead. Anyway, I looked at the current version of the page alongside the Guardian obit, and it wasn't obvious to me how I could paraphrase it any further without getting silly. But if you'd like me to take another look at it as a sort of second opinion, just let me know and I'll be happy to try. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:16, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's very kind. I'd be happy if you could offer any alternative version of this text, avoiding all possible multi-million-dollar law suits, which is what I tried to paraphrase:
Quotation
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
"John (it was Melody Maker that referred to him in 1964 as “Jon”, and he saw no reason to change it) was born in Woolwich, south-east London, to Lily (nee Spratt), who worked in the music library at the Bank of England, and Philip Hiseman, a senior lecturer in printing at Camberwell School of Arts and Crafts. Lily played the flute and piano and Philip’s family included music hall entertainers and dance band musicians."
"Hiseman studied the violin and piano at Addey and Stanhope grammar school in nearby New Cross, but found that his true interest lay in the drums. He played in a school trio with Reeves on double bass and Greenslade on piano. Later he appeared in the wittily named Wes Minster Five and was a founder member of Neil Ardley and the New Jazz Orchestra."
I particularly wanted to get the explanation of his mis-naming by Melody Maker in somehow. There is, of course, much more in Spencer Leigh's obituary that could be usefully added. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:36, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) The reason why it is typically me that you see is because I do the majority of the work at CopyPatrol, as you can see by the leaderboard. (Stats go back to June 2016, when we created the CopyPatrol interface.) I'm not going to apologise for the wording of the template or tell you that you won't be blocked someday if you keep violating our copyright policy. It could happen.
The current version is much better from a copyright point of view. Suggestions for further additions: If you want to add something about his musical family, you could say "He came from a musical family". If you want to add something about his musical interests, you could say "He took piano and violin lessons in grammar school, but later discovered he preferred the drums." If you could try re-writing the above passages yourself I would appreciate it; I would be happy to review your proposed edits. I have to go out now. Bye for now.— Diannaa (talk) 18:47, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I can't promise to review all your stats from 2016. But I'm sure you do more than anyone else. You need not apologise for the wording of the template. But Wikipedia:Don't template the regulars rings some very irritating and counter-productive alarm bells, don't you think? Is there really no other way of telling me you've "changed visibility of 5 revisions" on a page I've edited? That won't stop me getting blocked, any sooner or any later. Yes, "He took piano and violin lessons in grammar school, but later discovered he preferred the drums" looks fine to me. I could say, "He came from a musical family", but I think I might rather resign first. Perhaps Trypto could also review my proposed edits. You two could have a little competition. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:02, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And as I once said previously at EEng's talk page, don't regulate the Templars, either. I've made these edits: [23], which I hope are helpful with respect to the material quoted above, and I might be able to take some more requests later. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:56, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Do I get the Heisman Trophy? --Tryptofish (talk) 20:03, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, you do!! Well done!! You see, you can edit articles without triggering multi-million-dollar law suits with hard-nosed vexatious litigants like The Guardian. You also get Tonight's STAR PRIZE!!. And mercifully it means I will no longer be doing that Downfall parody video with Diannaa ranting about Fegelein's copyvio breaches. What a relief. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:28, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, you could just throw away the entire article and watch this instead. You'll end up knowing about 100% more about him. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:44, 16 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Today's war atrocity c/o Mr Putin

ДЕТИ .... the new Russian word for "please bomb here":

"Bombed Mariupol theatre sheltering a thousand people had 'children' written on ground outside".

And this is the work of Ukrainian nationalists bombing their own people??

Martinevans123 (talk) 13:15, 17 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gordon Brown backs Nuremberg-style trial for Putin. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:05, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Slow blues

The incomparable Geraint Watkins and the Mosquitoes with "Honky Tonk", at The Wheatsheaf, Tooting Bec, 2014: [24]. (slow warm-up for two and a half mins, but then mmmmm.... and free cabaret from the glass collector too) Martinevans123 (talk) 23:39, 18 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's Geraint at the trusty and versatile Nord Electro 3 HP.... Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Vladville

Speaking of atrocities, have you seen this? Launched (I use the word advisedly) with the Soviet national anthem, no less. And somewhere I read that the obnoxious vocalist, who unaccountably interrupted his master's voice, sang a song that included lyrics praising Lenin (depicted) & dear old Uncle Joe.Sca (talk) 16:38, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukraine's first black MP Zhan Beleniuk was the first gold medal winner in Tokyo at the 2020 Summer Olympics.
Nothing surprises me now. The new smiling face of evil in the world today. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even the Governator, now 74, took it upon himself to counter Vlad's orgy of mindless jingoism. Considering the source, it was pretty good gig. – Sca (talk) 19:24, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well done Arnie! A sincere and important message. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:27, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It would have been simpler to say this, though.[25]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 19:34, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one. Think I'll get mine ordered! Will kinda match these good guys.... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:37, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gets my vote for the subtle approach. Appreciated cosmonaut Artemyev's helpful explanation: "We had accumulated a lot of yellow material so we needed to use it." Necessity, as they say. – Sca (talk) 19:41, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So what about our response at Wikipedia, to this return to the Middle Ages? Whatever it is, I think we should be doing more. Personally I'd like to see a Ukrainian flag flying on our Main page. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So happens I have a genuine Soviet flag, souvenir of my Eastern Europe days. I've been looking for a good place to burn it. – Sca (talk) 19:49, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"In 2013, the U.S. rock band Bloodhound Gang desecrated a Russian flag during a concert in Ukraine. In response, Vladimir Markin of the Investigative Committee of Russia said that his department was prepared to file criminal charges if prosecutors thought they had a case." ..... Watch this space? Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe a concerted Ukraine-a-thon?? Martinevans123 (talk) 20:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've left a note at User talk:Jimbo Wales#2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

And today's news: "An art school in Mariupol, where about 400 people were sheltering, was attacked, the city council says".

Ukraine's deputy prime minister Olha Stefanishyna said she "absolutely believes" that acts of genocide have been committed by the Russian regime, and said that President Vladimir Putin and leaders in the Kremlin "are war criminals".
Martinevans123 (talk) 10:09, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On March 20, Russia declared its cosmonauts did not arrive at the ISS wearing Ukrainian colors blue and yellow. The actual colors are and cream and green, said the head of Russian space agency Roscosmos, Dmitry Rogozin – termed "a strong supporter of the invasion" of Ukraine. – Sca (talk) 13:02, 20 March 2022 (UTC) ;-) —[reply]
Ah yes, fake news colours. Colours are different now in Russia. Mr Putin decides what colour words actually mean. Or is it another one of those Ukrainian flag is green things again? [26] Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Copied an email w/NYT article to you. – Sca (talk) 22:53, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Allez les Bleus!! Martinevans123 (talk) 20:18, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

England played very well. But, at 25–13, a well deserved Grand Slam for France. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
They were impressive. Looks like they are aiming to do well in next years shindig. Enjoy the rest of your weekend! MarnetteD|Talk 22:32, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Start the week

Good morning Martin. I have just been listening to, and enjoying, Start the Week, Welsh Identities on Radio 4. The programme is repeated at 9:30 this evening and, of course, available on BBC SOUNDS.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (contribs) (talk) 09:56, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks Gareth, I will check it out. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:05, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, I see on your user page that you use JSTOR and I'd like to know more about your experience. By my calculations, a good 70 % of the main JSTOR content is now available for everyone at Internet Archive Scholar, with full text search provided e.g. at https://scholar.archive.org/ . The service is still in beta, but I've used it for some source-finding and it seems quite usable to me; I wonder whether that's just my experience. If you have a chance, the next time you'd be looking for a source on Google Scholar or JSTOR or similar, to perform the same search on IA scholar instead, I'd be curious to hear how it ends up. Thanks, Nemo 19:04, 22 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New Savile documentary

On Netflix this time. The D**ly M**l is suitably outraged.[27] How's about that then, guys and gals?--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 18:04, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's a very simple answer to the apoplectic outrage of the D**ly M**l brigade.... don't watch it! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:34, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, nobody is forced to watch anything on Netflix as it is subscription only. This type of outrage works best with the BBC licence fee. "How dare the BBC spend my licence fee on this?" (eg the new TV drama with Alan Partridge playing Jimmy Savile (or is it Steve Coogan?). We haven't seen this yet, possibly the autumn schedule awaits for this delight.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'm looking forward to that. Let's hope Paul has learned to roll his Yorkshire R's properly. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:09, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Learn to Fly (1999). Brilliant song, brilliant video, brilliant flight attendant, brilliant musician. Aged 50. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:40, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Taylor Hawkins

On 26 March 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Taylor Hawkins, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Ritchie333 (talk) (cont) 15:25, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Apparently, "one of these days your heart will stop and play it's final beat." Martinevans123 (talk) 16:45, 26 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
April songs
thank you, love it, - so sad --- I made my own Ukraine banner today, and think that the two blues in "yours" don't go well together, - consider a different background? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:15, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've just borrowed may banner from Ritchie, so I'm really entirely in his hands over that. Yours is a very musical one. Yes, it's very sad indeed. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:23, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
you could still copy his code (with attribution, naturally), and use a different colour, such as SlimVirgin's irreal green, no? - My banner was done by DanCherek, seen? It sounds great, - I couldn't believe how well the two melodies go together. Source for today's DYK nom has white for a background: [28], - something also for Sca? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:38, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
memories: two people on DYK, both connected to Oper Frankfurt, and don't miss yesterday's video of Pink Floyd given to me! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:48, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Hey Hey Rise Up", featuring Andriy Khlyvnyuk of Boombox. I would urge everyone to buy a copy. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:45, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, in the meadow a red viburnum has bent down low
For some reason, our glorious Ukraine is in sorrow
And we'll take that red viburnum and we will raise it up
And we shall cheer for our glorious Ukraine, hey, hey
And we shall cheer for our glorious Ukraine, hey, hey.
Wikipedia:Main Page history/2022 April 13: the TFA is hard to overlook, but there are also peace prayers, a soprano and a theatre manager, - if you don't find them try here --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:42, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
moar: rich in music and memories --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:38, 15 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
and we'll raise it up - happy Easter, and thanks for your greeting, - music in return, Hallelujah, yes, the Handel, and we could still do it after missing two years --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
dance and singing, peace doves and icecream --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
another Ukraine day today: Maks Levin DYK, expanding Kyiv Symphony Orchestra (have tickets), and creating Anthony Robin Schneider, the bass who could be heard opening the singing in Beethoven's Ninth twice on 10 March 2022, live in Frankfurt, Germany, and recorded in Auckland, New Zealand, singing "Freiheit!" (freedom) instead of "Freude" (joy), in a tradition started after the Fall of the Wall. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:00, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
... now you can listen to what I heard live yesterday: Kyiv Symphony Orchestra, Luigi Gaggero & Diana Tishchenko (violin) / Kulturpalast Dresden (25 April 2022 on YouTube (that's 25 April in Dresden, a different violinist, but the same program) - ours pictured here - dove sono as encore --Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:54, 29 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

New message from JalenFolf

Hello, Martinevans123. You have new messages at Talk:Gardeners' World.
Message added 22:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC). You can remove this notice at any time by removing the {{Talkback}} or {{Tb}} template.

Jalen Folf (talk) 22:14, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for letting me know. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:13, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Getting down to it?

Forwarded a NYT article to you about "Mining the depths of Wikipedia." - Sca (talk) 12:19, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. If only I were a subscriber. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:58, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Marty, I forwarded an email from a friend containing the whole text. I'm not a subscriber either, but I could read it. – Sca (talk) 13:42, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Here's a Vlad piece you can read: "If Putin Does Back Off, It's Always Just a Pause." – Sca (talk) 13:59, 1 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note

You've got mail. – Sca (talk) 17:03, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "If you get translations of Putin’s remarks, he sounds like an enraged Hitler. Ukraine is a democratic, peaceful country that is being punished just because it wants to keep its own statehood. There are people who oddly, at this late date, are apologists, trying to get us to understand Putin’s point of view. He has no legitimate point of view on this. That’s the frustration I feel when I watch some of the coverage." - Brian Bonner, veteran U.S. newspaper journalist who has given the last 14 years of his career to Ukraine. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:35, 4 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Perhaps Lavrov deserves a place in the Hall of Infamy? -- Sca (talk) 16:07, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, he gets the special Jo Fibbs award for his unstinting work at the Putin Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. They claimed there were no civilian bodies lying on the streets when the soldiers pulled out..... Now satellite images prove them wrong. Not quite so easy to hide things and invent pathetic lies in the year 2022. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not only satellites. Bucha: [29] [30]Sca (talk) 16:38, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just actors, Lavrov tells us. If you look carefully, you can see them moving. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:53, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Second verse, same as the first. -- Sca (talk) 15:56, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
“And in the rearview mirror it is noticeable that the dead seem to be starting to rise even.” - Russia-1. [31] Martinevans123 (talk) 16:04, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Russia is a powder keg. The Russians aren't all gullible, and most of them must know something of their country's long history under various regimes of oppressive, sometimes murderous, autocracy. Something's gotta give some day. -- Sca (talk) 16:11, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Within the next few days might be good. Just how stupid does Putin think the Russian people are? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:21, 6 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Zelenskiy - UN

'War crimes' – [32] [33]Sca (talk) 18:41, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Russians blab

German BND intercepts radio traffic discussing murder of Bucha civilians. – Sca (talk) 13:13, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"The radio traffic intercepted by the BND makes it seem as though the atrocities perpetrated on civilians in Bucha were neither random acts nor the product of individual soldiers who got out of hand. Rather, say sources familiar with the audio, the material suggests that the troops spoke of the atrocities as though they were simply discussing their everyday lives.". These are not soldiers. These are animals. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"We are here to write an encyclopedia (and showcase it's good articles), not express moral outrage over the recent events." - I'm not sure why these have to be alternatives, except that I suspect an encyclopaedia is not supposed to have any morals. Which, in such times as this, increasingly makes me ask myself if it really is a worthwhile pursuit. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Delfina Entrecanales

On 5 April 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Delfina Entrecanales, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 02:15, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Delfina's Farm will always be linked for me to this masterpiece. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:46, 5 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jimmy Saville

I mistook it for an insult directed at the IP. Dronebogus (talk) 08:52, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I see. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We are heading for a load of wikifun over the Easter holidays as people watch the Netflix documentary. I haven't seen it, it looks okay but doesn't say much new (Prince Charles and Margaret Thatcher were keen on Savile etc etc).--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 13:49, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Am digging out my shell-suit and medallion, even as we speak, for a special celebration.... (?) Martinevans123 (talk) 20:03, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Watch out for newly acquired experts on Savile who don't know how to spell his name correctly.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 20:07, 8 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
C'est vile, n'est-ce pas? Toe Curling 123 (talk) 21:02, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
Looks like we forgot this historic anniversary. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 9 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That is very funny. Dronebogus (talk) 16:54, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't suppose this will get used in the article.--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 12:36, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well maybe not in the Jimmy Savile article. How about at The Organist Entertains? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

All work and no ...

Matti Antero Kristian Fagerholm: giant of suomirock!!

Here's a distraction from the horrors of war. – Sca (talk) 18:24, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

→ And a somewhat questionable version jes' for fun. Not to mention this bizarre European anomaly. – Sca (talk) 19:01, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
All good, many thanks. Had only heard these guys before now! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah, the Lone Star version. Lacks the requisite punch, I'm afraid. -- Sca (talk) 22:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Back to reality? -- Sca (talk) 12:32, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Austrian Chancellor Karl Nehammer said he would meet Putin on Monday in Moscow. "We are militarily neutral, but (have) a clear position on the Russian war of aggression against #Ukraine," Nehammer wrote on Twitter. "It must stop! It needs humanitarian corridors, ceasefire & full investigation of war crimes." Martinevans123 (talk) 12:38, 11 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Today's Vlad evaluation. -- Sca (talk) 13:24, 12 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

'Genocide'

... says Biden. – Sca (talk) 12:40, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sadly I think he's right.
"The Kremlin said Mr Biden's comments were an "unacceptable" effort to "distort the situation" in Ukraine. This is hardly acceptable from a president of the United States, a country that has committed well-known crimes in recent times," Kremlin spokesperson Dmitry Peskov said on a conference call with reporters.". A relentless of bombardment of people's houses in Mariupol for many weeks, knowing that thousands of resident civilians will either be killed instantly or will be trapped in their cellars and starve to death.... and then to target public buildings where homeless civilians are sheltering... and to refuse ceasefires for humanitarian corridors and aid... and all just because they are Ukrainians. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:39, 13 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here's one Vladimir we liked and admired (unlike certain others). -- Sca (talk) 19:10, 14 April 2022 (UTC) [reply]

Poor timing

So much for talismans. – Sca (talk) 12:47, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Probably a gift from Archbishop Kill'em. I imagine the guns on that ship were personally blessed by him. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:35, 16 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DYK for Say You Don't Mind

On 19 April 2022, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Say You Don't Mind, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that Christopher Gunning apparently only got paid £15 to arrange the top-20 hit "Say You Don't Mind"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Say You Don't Mind. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Say You Don't Mind), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

— Maile (talk) 00:03, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Here it is. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:10, 19 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Truth-telling tycoon ...

Russian tycoon Tinkov denounces 'crazy war' in Ukraine. – Sca (talk) 12:30, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some sense at last, from Oleg Tinkov (the 15th-richest person in Russia):
"The (Russian) generals, waking up with a hangover, realized that they had a shit army," Tinkov wrote. "And how could the army be good if everything else in the country is shit and mired in nepotism, sycophancy and servility?"
Switching to English, Tinkov wrote: "Dear 'collective West' please give Mr. Putin a clear exit to save his face and stop this massacre. Please be more rational and humanitarian." -- Martinevans123 (talk) 13:04, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"The country is ... mired in nepotism, sycophancy and servility." -- Sca (talk) 13:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, shit. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:20, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And here's what Russian shit looks like. -- Sca (talk) 13:59, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Brazen Balts ...

... call for end to dependence on RU energy. –- Sca (talk) 16:55, 21 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Traditional wiki zyder press
  • You've got mail. – Sca (talk) 12:21, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    "If compressed, the entire online encyclopedia would take up only twenty gigabytes." Do they take the seeds out during the compression? Martinevans123 (talk) 15:41, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No bytes were injured during that process. – Sca (talk) 17:54, 23 April 2022 (UTC) ↓[reply]
I'll press me own, thank 'e. Beware: official 2007 video features Tony Blackburn. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:02, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Isbister Lake

Hello! Two things. Firstly, as far as I know, there's no rule against red links in disambig pages. That said, I don't really like them either unless there's a good chance an article will be published to fill the red link. Secondly, I'm in the process of creating said article and it'll be done once I get a chance to copy edit one last time. I just got ahead of myself by putting links to Isbister Lake everywhere they'll be needed. Masterhatch (talk) 15:20, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Thanks for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:37, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

They're back ...

Soviet-era effluvia ... emerge yet again in conquered Kherson. – Sca (talk) 13:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, apparently old Vlad had his 152nd birthday on Friday. But I think young Vlad models himself more on the charming and erudite Uncle Joe. "One woman was unimpressed “What the fuck are you doing here?” she asked an enemy soldier, in an exchange filmed on a phone. “You’re occupiers! You’re are fascists! You came to my land uninvited.” She then tried to hand him a packet of seeds. “These are so sunflowers will grow when you all lie down here. From this moment you are cursed! You are a piece of shit!” Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Anne Applebaum called Russian conduct in Ukraine "an eerily precise repeat of the NKVD and Red Army’s behaviour" in eastern Europe decades ago. – Sca (talk) 13:38, 24 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Today's tricky 5-letter Russian Wordle:

IVANN
LENIN
STALN
PUTIN
SATAN

Something is seriously ...

... askew in the Росси́йская импе́рия. – Sca (talk) 14:16, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Let's hope no Russian sportsmen or women are permitted to complete anywhere in the world, and no international sports events are permitted to occur on Russian soil, as long as the war continues. It's not the fault of the unfortunate sportsman and women, of course, but rather of their deranged megalomaniac President. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:38, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

/* New subject */

Rock-a-doodle-doo!
Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) (contribs) 15:00, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good day to you too Gareth! Can't decide if this is a reference to this classic or this one! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:18, 27 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, a true classic, although it is a close call!
Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) (contribs) 15:28, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as a birthday treat I guess you could enjoy some mashed potatoes or even some roast turkey. Failing those, I guess you could just shake a tail feather! [34] Martinevans123 (talk) 15:46, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are spoiling me.
Gareth Griffith-Jones (talk) (contribs) 15:57, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"But of course, Mr Welsh Ambassador!" Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pink Floyd has an RFC for possible consensus. A discussion is taking place. If you would like to participate in the discussion, you are invited to add your comments on the discussion page. Thank you. TSP (talk) 13:44, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds groovy, thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 28 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Finding refuge ...

Ukraine refugees flock to Germany, shun UK. – Sca (talk) 16:54, 30 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Regrettably, no surprise. And as soon as they arrive, they'll be on the first plane to Rwanda. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:37, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hoi Sin Crispy Owl

The Butterfield Diet Plan. A true classic. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 1 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Tractor porn corner

Phew, look at the size of the tyres on that! Martinevans123 (talk) 08:25, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It can happen to anyone.[35]--♦IanMacM♦ (talk to me) 14:18, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

When ye go away

[36] no reason. Ceoil (talk) 00:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Often the best reason. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:05, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May songs

May songs

I have the quirky DYK today, which is rare, and I don't quite know why music for peace was deemed quirky. - I took and picked the blue-and-yellow pic last year for May. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:20, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

What? No "sausage-krautz bullshit pseudoreligious music from Herr Schlampewurtz"?? Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I wonder what "Herr Schlampewurtz" would be in Russian? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:32, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
serious today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:14, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
two songs today: Hey Hey Rise Up! (written by friends) and Glauben können wie du, sung by the person I have on DYK today, right below the other. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:58, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today performances in Ukraine - for Ukraine - for peace, at the bottom an imaginary set of eight DYK - and more May pics--Gerda Arendt (talk) 15:21, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today more pics, and should this woman have an article? - or only her sons? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:36, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today Melody (not by me), and more pics --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:02, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
my choir in Idstein performed an evensong (pictured), two years and two months after the last! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 20:48, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well done, choir! Hope it's good to be back. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 23 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you - a strong woman singing today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:07, 25 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
... and another today --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:52, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Here's "Leave me, loathsome light" from Handel's Semele: Early Opera Company, Christian Curnyn conductor. Surprisingly no article yet for Brindley Sherratt. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
blue: today saw my pic of the Kyiv Symphony Orchestra on the Main page - blue light for you --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:50, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Great to see that, Gerda. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:53, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
" Well there're so many sinking Now you've got to keep thinking You can make it thru these waves" Martinevans123 (talk) 21:57, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you! - I like my talk today (actually mostly from 29 May - I took the title pic), enjoy the music, two related videos worth watching! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:53, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Kamara

Hi!

Not sure if you know, but you recently added a claim on Chris Kamara's article that he had played for Welshpool again in 2021. Did you know the source link you provided is from 2013? I initially thought it was vandalism but you don't seem that sort of editor.

Wondering if this was just an error in the year or if I'm missing something?

Thanks! MarchOfTheGreyhounds (talk) 09:30, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, MarchOfTheGreyhounds. Well spotted; sorry that's my mistake. And you're right, I'm "Not That Kinda Girl". Martinevans123 (talk) 10:36, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Patriarchal values

EU mulls putting Putin partisan Krill on personal sanctions list. – Sca (talk) 13:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"In 2012 Russian bloggers spotted a photo in which a watch worth more than $30,000 appeared airbrushed off the holy leader's wrist, but its reflection was visible on the table." Martinevans123 (talk) 13:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Now that's value, all right. -- Sca (talk) 14:57, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"According to Forbes Patriarch Kirill’s net worth in 2006 was $4 billion." I guess the vow of poverty has somewhat passed him by. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:24, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My sources indicate Rev. Krill's net worth has shrunk to 30 pieces of silver. -- Sca (talk) 19:23, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. And it's about time he gave them back. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:39, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have you seen this one?

@Martinevans123, I'm guessing you also watch the 'Keir Starmer' article. What did you think of this edit, in comparison to this one which you reverted? -- DeFacto (talk). 13:28, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, not on my watchlist - other beer-and-curry stuff exists. But, yes equally dodgy. I trust you will revert him. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:44, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I won't be reverting, as I agree with them. -- DeFacto (talk). 13:52, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes. Something about bears and the Pope springs to mind. Oh well. Perhaps we should all write letters to Durham Police? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:55, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

PAGE MY CHERIE AMOUR song of Stevie Wonder

Made only a link to Boney M. In rubrice "covers" changed it to written in blue. See the references page.....first attempt....letters became not blue....but.....3.699 letters are deleted!!!! Do not understand anything of it!!!! Did only make a link... Cannot bring it back to how it was....."cancelling" does not appear.....MWV didn't change 3.699 points!!! Musicworldvision (talk) 23:20, 4 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You just can't trust Frank and the gang, can you. If that ever happens again feel free to self-revert. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:14, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

yes,but the self-revert possiblity did not appear in the rework list. But discovered today that someone had already the page back so good as it was. Musicworldvision (talk) 21:31, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Here's the article history. As with any article, it's always possible to Undo whatever is the latest edit (provided it's not an admin-protected edit). Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:34, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Stephen Fry

Thank you for adjusting my edit Floaty.flamingo (talk) 04:26, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. But I'm not sure that one sentence deserves its own sub-section. And I'm pretty sure it's not part of his "Career". So should probably be repositioned. Cheers. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:17, 5 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Richard Hammond

As we’ve concluded it’s a disjunct which would need a comma. Do I have to the go ahead to change this. This would be my first official change that’s actually been kept as such. This is with regards to the “Since 2016” on The Richard Hammond page. Define02 (talk) 12:47, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Errm, did we conclude that? I don't see any mention of "Since" at disjunct (linguistics). Maybe we should explicitly agree that first at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style#Introductory commas? Martinevans123 (talk) 13:00, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Catherine Tate's DOB

Hello Martinevans123. Please search and watch this Youtube video - 'catherine tate talks about her FAKE birthday'. Thank you. 2.24.14.127 (talk) — Preceding undated comment added 08:11, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

IP 2.14, I've watched that video many times and it's been discussed on the Talk page. Sorry, but it's wholly inconclusive and is not considered to be a reliable source. Please discuss further at Talk:Catherine Tate if you feel you must. Many thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:14, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Martinevans123, how can not it not be reilable? She literally say's in the video that Wikipedia have her birth date wrong and that it's not the 12 May 1968 and it's actually the 5 December 1969. She say's she is 18 months older on Wikipedia. How much more evidence do you need to understand that her birth date is incorrect on Wikipedia? 2.24.14.127 (talk) 08:23, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps you could link to the exact time where she states "it's not the 12 May 1968 and it's actually the 5 December 1969"? How would you reconcile that claim with all the other good sources we have for 12 May? Thanks for not edit waring. At one stage she says "I'm 18 months older" - how do you explain that? The correct venue for any further discussion is at Talk:Catherine Tate. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:59, 8 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Martinevans123, In the 2018 video, Catherine herself says regarding her birthdate that "it's alway wrong on Wikipedia" and when wished happy 50th she says "It's next December, but thanks". Does that not prove to you that her birthday is in December 1969? I mean it really doesn't take a genius to work out the maths. 2.24.14.127 (talk) 2.24.14.127 (talk) 08:11, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So here's the video, uploaded by someone called "a fan of catherine tate." It shows footage from a Good Morning Britain interview with Kate Garraway from 6 April 2018. It proves nothing. Tate's actual words are "No, it's always wrong on ...." In my opinion, it demonstrates only Tate's sarcastic humour. If you want to discuss this topic any further you can go to Talk:Catherine Tate. I mean it really doesn't take a genius to find that page. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:38, 9 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

News that doesn't quite fit ...

Journalists pull a fast one on госпо̀дин Vlad.

Russian government sources, who spoke on condition of anomie, said the journalists involved in the incident had decided to get away from it all and move from Moscow to northern Siberia, where they would be provided with housing. – Sca (talk) 14:15, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
However, not with food. – Sca (talk) 15:12, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Then the biggest HOO-RAH goes to Egor Polyakov and Alexandra Miroshnikova: "Polyakov, who works as a business reporter at Lenta, said he and his colleague Alexandra Miroshnikova published more than 40 articles critical of the Kremlin and its actions in Ukraine. The articles have since been taken down, but can be accessed through a web archive tool." Yes, the bodies of the dead Russian soldiers seem to have been just abandoned. The Ukrainians, who have been going around collecting them and putting them in body bags, have said there are "too many to count". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:34, 10 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
But there is now potentially good news. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not sure I'd want to attend that karoke party. The Vladimir Putin article currently says: "... it is impossible to study brain disease or mental illness based on video clips alone." But I'd argue that ordering the slaughter of thousands of innocent civilians, in an attempt to "de-Nazify Ukraine" is ample evidence of a very fundamental and deep-seated mental illness. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:04, 14 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Putin dying

Someone reverting your good edit at Putin page. ErnestKrause (talk) 00:56, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Apparently we can't include it as Joe Biden doesn't have dementia. Let's just hope Putin dies soon. Might even make Main page. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:54, 15 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
De-Putinifying Russia? -- Sca (talk) 12:37, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Updating now to 18 May morning headlines here that he has had new surgery: [37] [38]. ErnestKrause (talk) 14:31, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Consider the sources. -- Sca (talk) 15:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

May 2022

Information icon Hello and welcome to Wikipedia. Constructive contributions to Wikipedia are appreciated, but a recent edit of yours to the page Margaret Thatcher has an edit summary that appears to be inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate. The summaries are helpful to people browsing an article's history, so it is important that you use edit summaries that accurately tell other editors what you did. Feel free to use the sandbox to make test edits. "ding-dong" is not appropriate. ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 01:36, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks so much for the welcome. But not sure I'm encouraged to stay. So I added some basic details about the new statue of Thatcher, in Grantham, and your edit summary, when you reverted it a minute later, was "completely irrelevant". That summary also appears to be "inadequate, inaccurate, or inappropriate." Martinevans123 (talk) 07:22, 16 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, about the statue, not Ding-Dong! The Witch Is Dead, which your edit summary implied. Bearing WP:RESPONSIBLE in mind, I took your summary the wrong way, and I apologise for responding with an edit summary that could appear hostile. (Personally I've been diagnosed on the spectrum and often I react to things written literally, in the heat of the moment, and in that particular instance I took offence which I realise now you didn't intend.) ‑‑Neveselbert (talk · contribs · email) 03:55, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for your apology and for your explanation. One might imagine "ding-dong" to be the sound of eggs hitting a bronze statue. Although I guess they were probably rotten ones, not hard-boiled. I see the eggee egger has now been named and shamed. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:49, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Eggee? Another questionable coinage. -- Sca (talk) 16:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, that should of course be egger (no relation). The eggee was Maggie, aka the Iron Egg Lady... well bronze, anyway... Martinevans123 (talk) 16:47, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Surely, capitalism at its finest Martinevans123 (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or British humor at its most levitous. Sca (talk) 19:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Let's hope they were free range. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:04, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I suspect they were too chicken. (US humor at its least Leviticus.) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:26, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
obligatory Jewish joke
  • Three sons of a Yiddishe Mama left their homeland, went abroad and prospered. They discussed the gifts they were able to give their ageing mother:
  • Joseph, the first son, said, "I built a big house for our mother."
  • Adam, the second, said, "I sent her a Mercedes with a driver."
  • Daniel, the youngest, said, "You remember how our mother enjoys reading the Bible? Now she can't see very well. I sent her a remarkable parrot that recites the whole Bible—Mama just has to name the chapter and verse."
  • Soon thereafter, a letter of thanks came from their mother:
    • "Joseph," she said, "the house you built is so huge. I live only in one room, but I have to clean the whole house." "Adam," she said, "I am too old to travel. I stay most of the time at home so I rarely use the Mercedes. And that driver is a schmuck. But Daniel," she said, "the chicken was delicious!"

... "She always liked to sing along, she's always handy with a song"

Hello, I just would like to know why you reverted my edit on Catherine Tate's filmography, as her return to Doctor Who is official.

Sincerely, Ragnarok861 10:43, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Ragnarok861. Did you see my edit summary? I had thought it was quite self-explanatory: "suggest you take this to Talk page; it's now only May 2022 and this appears to be WP:CRYSTAL". I made the same revert, with same summary, to your similar edit at Bernard Cribbins. I don't think it's appropriate to add items to Filmography tables if they don't exist. Probably best to discuss at the respective Talk pages. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:31, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sorry, but Catherine Tate's return to Doctor Who is official and if you don't believe me, you can check for yourself on the official Doctor Who website (doctorwho.tv) or the official Doctor Who Twitter account. Ragnarok861 (talk) 14:45, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Tate's return to Doctor Who is not the issue. That can be fully explained in the text, with some suitable source(s). But the episodes in which she will appear do not yet exist. So they can't be added to any table of Filmography. If you need to discuss further, the appropriate venue is Talk:Catherine Tate. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:33, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh sorry, now I understand. My mistake. Ragnarok861 (talk) 06:04, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Loudon Wainwright III wiki page

Hi-- I am writing on Loudon Wainwright's behalf. The sentences I removed from the page are false, even though there are "citations" for some of them. The LW3 quote about "Hitting You" is taken out of context and is misleading; it is a problematic, at best, to call that situation "assault." Martha Wainwright has said inaccurate things to reporters over the years; the fact that they were published in newspapers (which are not fact-checked) does not make them true. Loudon has written detailed firsthand accounts of Kate McGarrigle's first pregnancy, "Hitting You," and other topics described in the WIKI entry in his memoir "Liner Notes."69.2.124.29 (talk) 16:14, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for the information, but you will need to raise your concerns at Talk:Loudon Wainwright III, not here. And I should also point out that "writing on Loudon Wainwright's behalf" is not regraded as a WP:Reliable source. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:17, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hello--
I really don't know how to do this. I'm a journalist, not a Wiki editor. Can you explain where to put this info? Would rather not get attorneys involved. 69.2.124.29 (talk) 16:24, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please copy over to Talk:Loudon Wainwright III. Note: please don't even mention the possibility of a legal threat or you are likely to be blocked. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:41, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Edit warring at the article, to try and get your version in, is also a way to get quickly blocked. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:50, 17 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pace changer ...

Here's something to get your editorial juices flowing again. – Sca (talk) 15:24, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey, you! Don't Take My Coconuts!!... or accept the consequences. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:43, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see you couldn't resist welching, oops, I mean walzing into that one editorially. -- Sca (talk) 17:19, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Accidentally INJURED by falling coconuts?? Don't delay! Call Saul Goodman TODAY and get EXPERT ADVICE!". Martinevans123 (talk) 18:50, 18 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who do we trust, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, or Vladimir Putin or...?

RIP Vangelis (29 March 1943 – 17 May 2022). Martinevans123 (talk) 17:24, 19 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"And if you're asking me when, I'll say it starts at the end"

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Good Humor
:D AmerikanKoloniser (talk) 19:29, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How very kind. "What have I... what have I... what have I done to deserve this!!" etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:25, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Recent deaths

Can you plese consider Cathal Coughlan (musician) for noming at RDs. Dont know how all that works, and the article should be finished by early afternoon tomorrow, more or less. I would very much like your help. Ceoil (talk) 02:49, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Have nominated. A few sources needed in the Discography section, but otherwise looking reasonable. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:25, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nice one, and thanks a bunch.Ceoil (talk) 09:11, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. Their big hit from 1987!! Martinevans123 (talk) 09:14, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You might want to add a Support. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:59, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Cathal Coughlan (musician)

On 24 May 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Cathal Coughlan (musician), which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. Black Kite (talk) 18:45, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cheers dude. Look... it's Simon Dupree and the Black Kites!! Martinevans123 (talk) 19:55, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Alan White (Yes drummer)

On 27 May 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Alan White (Yes drummer), which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. —Bagumba (talk) 16:40, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Parr for the course, I guess. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:08, 27 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

David Canzini

As you've worked quite a bit on Boris Johnson, you might be interested in putting something together on David Canzini who was profiled this morning on BBC 4. It was pointed out that he had no Wikipedia page. There's some good background in the FT here. There's also an interesting piece in the Guardian.--Ipigott (talk) 05:54, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Ipigott. I'm reluctant to edit anything connected with BoJo the Clown at the moment. And FT seems to be subs only? I might join in later if I'm feeling particularly vindictive. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:49, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I quite understand but I see Andrew Davidson has already made a start. Let's see how it goes.--Ipigott (talk) 11:19, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Improvement suggestion.

Hi, Martin.

Can you advise how and where to make improvement suggestions for Wikipedia? Basically I have an idea I'd like to put forth to add a tab or flagging option to the interface to remind regular account holders of things to do on Wiki. they may otherwise forget. Regards,--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:01, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about Wikipedia:Village pump (idea lab)? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:04, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cheers, Tryptofish.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:20, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hi Kieron. Yes, Trypto's suggestion seems a very good one. I always keep a long list of things to remember, pinned to my laptop:
  1. Log on to my account.
  2. Do some edits.
  3. Try not to upset too many people (too much).
  4. Log off. lol Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My list is similar, but I omit #2. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:26, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I admit it. I do sometimes skip #3, you great ninny. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My nanny called me a ninny, too. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:19, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Nonny Nonny Martinevans123 (talk) 22:12, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Lol thanks. You know I focus largely on one article at a time, Martin. Basically I respond to suggestions from one other user to add entries or references etc. to articles, but sometimes I forget the commitment and he sends me reminders if a day or two pass by without my assisting him. I just thought some simple notification tab method would remind me. I'll add the suggestion shortly. Thanks again.--Kieronoldham (talk) 21:41, 29 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Cite to Ellmann

Martin, you are correct that Ellmann is the source; the page # is 34. Regards, Kablammo (talk) 00:16, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Kablammo, thanks for the info. I am unable to find an online edition which shows that page. If you have a copy, I suggest you add that page number. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:54, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
User:Czar has now added pages 27, 32 and 34. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:14, 31 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

..in the days before Rock and Roll... "When we let, then we bet, on Lester Piggott, ten to one, we let the goldfish go!" (Georgie Fame: Hammond organ. Paul Durcan: spoken vocals) Martinevans123 (talk) 19:35, 30 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Question

Why does this person's expression remind me of a yellow perch? – Sca (talk) 15:46, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The perch is much more handsome (and much more intelligent, and of much higher moral character). --Tryptoperch (talk) 20:41, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The perch doesn't spend its life telling lies and trying to "de-Nazify" a peace-loving neighbouring shoal of bream. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:16, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To bream the impossible bream... To fight the unbeatable roe... --Tryptofish (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh and the perch is almost human. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Almost? --Tryptofish (talk) 22:08, 1 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, in North America perch of this sort are considered 'trash' fish -- hence the involuntary subliminal association with said person. Yes, you can fry them, but they're not worth the effort. -- Sca (talk) 13:10, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You got me! --Tryptotrash (talk) 22:37, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Her Majesty

"North Korea's Kim Jong Un sends congratulations to Queen Elizabeth on Jubilee."
– Sources at Windsor report the Queen said she was "just tickled pink" by the unexpected overture from Pyongyang, which arrived by missive-bearing missile from the DPRK. – Sca (talk) 13:39, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
How very touching. I expect he wishes he could cadge a badge to show his love for Her Maj. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:40, 3 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June music

June songs

Thank you for all these! - Ukrainian peace music is "on" today, with the conductor! - Pentecost (on last Sunday and Monday in Germany) brought a rich harvest of great music in two church services (one with me singing in choir) and two concerts with my brother in the orchestra, - four pictures I took besides the symphonic one. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:49, 8 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

my day today, which song would you give me? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 06:47, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's an easy one: [39] .... or maybe a bit of "No Diggity" embellishment: [40]! Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
perhaps the question wasn't clear? - I didn't mean which one of the titles given, but a song you'd like to sing with me? Or is it that one? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:13, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
why not? :) Martinevans123 (talk) 21:15, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
because so far I had few doubles, but fine ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:18, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, if you really want me to sing Nun jauchzt dem Herren, alle Welt with you, then fine. [41]. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:29, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Asking my friends - in 2020 - to give me a song for my birthday was looking to meet new song, - such as Meermenschen. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:58, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Groovy. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:07, 14 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My song collection is especially rich, look, and the hall where I first heard DFD, Pierre Boulez and Murray Perahia. Do you find the baby deer in the meadow (last row)? .. and my friend the bass player --Gerda Arendt (talk) 22:31, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
today: a song about getting through the night, after plenty of music over the weekend --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:32, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Today is a birthday. Last word in June: O fortuna! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 16:16, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
O Fortuna! Got a light, mate? Martinevans123 (talk) 16:20, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Note

You've got more mail. – Sca (talk) 12:28, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. "Ukraine's former prime minister Yulia Tymoshenko has described Vladimir Putin as “absolutely rational, cold, cruel, black evil” and claimed he is determined to go down in Russian history alongside Stalin and Peter the Great." Nice one. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:37, 9 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Reply from u:Lmharding

User:Lmharding has replied at my talk page to your post at User talk:Lmharding where you noted that they should retract or report their accusation, made here. Their response states that you and I "both have contradicted yourselves and hypocritically falsely claimed I was an alt while getting mad at me for just innocently asking...". It does not address their accusation at all. AukusRuckus (talk) 11:10, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for telling me. Their behaviour is quite irrational and disruptive. I see a pattern emerging in all of their edits to various "LGBT rights in xxxx" articles. As I've just posted at their Talk page, they have two options:
  1. To withdraw the accusation by redacting with a strike-through and clear explanation.
  2. To formally report the accusation at an appropriate venue (WP:AN/I might be most suitable). Martinevans123 (talk) 11:21, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That would only be fair, in my view. AukusRuckus (talk) 11:25, 10 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It dioes address it, you take back and cross out your allegation and I'll do the same right after. You first. Lmharding (talk) 00:25, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(As usual) it's unclear to whom you are replying. But I have made no allegation. And neither has AukusRuckus. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:48, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
AukusRuckus, I've read your summaries at your Talk page and I wholeheartedly agree. If Lmharding refuses o withdraw the accusation of sock puppetry, I also think it's justified to ask others to step in. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe. A kind of result: But then again, not much of one. This was the delightful edit summary for one of four edits they made in the effort to sweep the whole thing off my talk page.

     "removed, coordinated harassment campaign".
Some retraction, hey? And we're still at fault.
Then there's this billet-doux: "Statement retracted, now stop spamming me. 04:30, 13 June 2022" left for us on the UAE LGBT talk page. And they're now having a rampage around putting in all the stuff they've been slowed or stopped from doing for a while. Toxic behaviour.
I think I'm not leaving it at this, but I'm very disheartened and am gonna hibernate for a bit. Then I'll come back and see what damage they're doing, and what might be done then (if they haven't been tripped up some other way. We can only hope! But they're relentless, so I won't hold my breath). Thanks for getting stuck in too. AukusRuckus (talk) 10:45, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, not exactly any kind of apology. And, as you say, essentially still blaming us. I actually said "... by redacting with a strike-through and clear explanation." No explanation has been provided. I'd strongly recommend that you restore the background that they have deleted from your Talk page, especially that this was in response to a proposed WP:SPI of their account as well as ours. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:56, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yep, agreed. As suggested, have restored my page and directed yet another message posted there to them. Fixed a small typo in my earler post here (an unwanted pronoun had slipped in.) AukusRuckus (talk) 11:10, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Just looking to see if there was any response to my "June 2022" request for retraction or report at User talk:Lmharding and I see this edit by an anon IP, geolocating to Allentown, Pennsylvania. I wonder if they are in any way connected to the named account? Martinevans123 (talk) 11:38, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I see another IP from Pennsylvania, reverting one of my 2019 edits, at Talk:LGBT rights in the United Arab Emirates, here. Probably just coincidence, of course. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:58, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Same-sex sexual activity is legal in the state" - is this not true of every US state and every country in the world? Well, to be fair, I don't think it is legal in every country in the world, unfortunately. That is part of the problem (both in the world and here on WP!) But you're right: legal in every state. Funny I never noticed that strange line before.
My biggest fan has branched out from their usual round of third world (+Texas) LGBT articles to LGBT rights in Queensland where they are now popping up to add "Almost never enforced" for anti-discrimination laws. I wonder how they're so well-informed about so many places, all without the benefit of trivial niceties like, ooh, I don't know ... sources? Now they're in my neck of the woods.
They also just tried to have page protection added [42] to Texas so they can't be reverted while they're in beddy-byes. Apparently they are the only ones allowed to revert others with impunity. All my nice new info and table insertion down the gurgler ... Oh well </sigh, again>. AukusRuckus (talk) 13:03, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, of course, thanks for clarifying. It is very one-sided and very draining of effort. I think a report to an admin board is in order. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:14, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, Martin. I'm embarrassed. That was only meant to be a (very) little joke. I hope you did not change the line back because of my poorly communicated humour. I thought you were right to remove. AukusRuckus (talk) 06:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. By all means remove again. It adds little. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:34, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

5 million roubles ($88,000) fine for WMF

Reuters: "LONDON, June 13 (Reuters) - The Wikimedia Foundation, which owns Wikipedia, has filed an appeal against a Moscow court decision demanding that it remove information related to the Russian invasion of Ukraine, arguing that people have a right to know the facts of the war."] Martinevans123 (talk) 12:42, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vlad explains that it's not an invasion, but rather a "special military operation" -- akin to the Special Treatment practiced by his mentors in disinformation. -- Sca (talk) 14:50, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes indeed, how lovely. And just as special as Uncle Joe's "special settlements". Martinevans123 (talk) 14:57, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You might be interested in this pic. – Sca (talk) 17:48, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Chilling. [43] Martinevans123 (talk) 18:34, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ITN recognition for Bruce Kent

On 15 June 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Bruce Kent, which you nominated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. PFHLai (talk) 19:02, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks for your improvements, PFHLai. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:14, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Vilnius vs. Vlad & Co.

The Lithuanian Parliament (Seimas) calls for criminal prosecution of Russia's leadership for the four-month-old Invasion of Ukraine.
Gera idėja!Sca (talk) 13:22, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it certainly is a very Good idea! About time our dear Boris not-quite-Good-enough said the same. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:30, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Or did you mean Boris Badenov? -- Sca (talk) 13:38, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not as clever, alas. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:40, 16 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hard to over-estimate what this guy and his band mean to Welsh music lovers, Welsh people in general. 25 years since Word Gets Around was released through V2. And now two sell-out gigs, to 60,000 people at the Millennium Stadium, the second broadcast live (with unbelievably good sound) on BBC Two. Just glorious. [44] Martinevans123 (talk) 20:52, 18 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"We dress the same ways, only our accents change"
"I wonder if we'll meet again Talk about life since then"

Meanwhile... here's Stewart Lee on the philosophy of language, the Football Association, Roy Chubby Brown and Jimmy Carr.

... the funktabulous Cory Wong and pals.

.... Jimmy "Junior" Markham (solo from 1:50) with J. J. Cale at Cain's Ballroom, Tulsa (2004) [45]

..... Arnold Brown on encyclopedias, etc.

ITN recognition for Dom Phillips

On 23 June 2022, In the news was updated with an item that involved the article Dom Phillips, which you updated. If you know of another recently created or updated article suitable for inclusion in ITN, please suggest it on the candidates page. SpencerT•C 16:08, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks. Glad it got posted just in time. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:58, 23 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Capitals

Hello. With regards to your recent edit to the Premiership of Boris Johnson article, "the co-chairman of the Conservative Party" is not capitalised per MOS:JOBTITLES. Do you agree? Thanks. Andysmith248 (talk) 21:17, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello andySmith. I would not be surprised if there was an obscure and arcane MoS rule about that, although I understand that when the name comes immediately afterwards, the office title takes capitals. I was simply following what appears in the text at that article. In that particular case, Oliver Dowden gets named first, so I guess the MoS sub-rule doesn't apply and you were correct. As if it's a problem. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:21, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Neil Parish

Thank you for editing the sentence I wrote on Neil Parish's page regarding his feelings towards his colleagues. I wasn't trying to change what was written in the source and I thought what I'd written reflected it - so I appreciate you altering the sentence to amend my mistake :) 92.10.13.209 (talk) 21:58, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No worries. Your version was perfectly fair. One always has to avoid copyright violation by just copying text. But it's often safer to stick to what the source says. I am no fan of disgraced Tory MPs, and I think Parish may have been very foolish. But I don't think he was corrupt, or a devious criminal or a twisted misogynist. I feel sorry that his 12 years in Parliament came to be wasted so quickly. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:10, 27 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

2022 "Fake news" , War Crimes Hall of Fame and General Cretin Corner

Please Don't Desert Us at Dessert

from Miss Hope Springs:

https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1537794414529093634/pu/vid/1280x720/i-VfWJKOmLoQuPMg.mp4

--Softlavender (talk) 00:22, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oooh, ravishing! Noël Coward meets Carol Channing? Very droll, darling.... I was so unhinged I almost lost my bracket. Martinevans123 (talk) 08:35, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed; apparently Hope has explained that Noel Coward wrote that for her (hence her name in the lyrics). I can't stop listening to/watching this. Would like to see/hear more from her. Softlavender (talk) 00:20, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Softlavender, you truly are "an oasis of guileless charm and wit". Martinevans123 (talk) 20:03, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ah, so that's him! I've added him here. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:53, 1 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. where have all the Wiki Good Times gone??[reply]

Well done old chap! Softlavender (talk) 23:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

June 2022

Copyright problem icon Your edit to Christopher Pincher has been removed in whole or in part, as it appears to have added copyrighted material to Wikipedia without evidence of permission from the copyright holder. If you are the copyright holder, please read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials for more information on uploading your material to Wikipedia. For legal reasons, Wikipedia cannot accept copyrighted material, including text or images from print publications or from other websites, without an appropriate and verifiable license. All such contributions will be deleted. You may use external websites or publications as a source of information, but not as a source of content, such as sentences or images—you must write using your own words. Wikipedia takes copyright very seriously, and persistent violators of our copyright policy will be blocked from editing. See Wikipedia:Copying text from other sources for more information.
You have been warned before, I note, and clearly with this diff you simply copy/pasted from https://www.christopherpincher.com/about-chris
Please ensure this does not become a habit as you could then find your editing rights removed. Nick Moyes (talk) 22:05, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Subtle. Perhaps you can offer a re-write if those facts here? And you have reverted all those other copy edits that I made, afterwards, to other sections. Perhaps you can think of some paraphrases for his list of favourite authors? Or remove the quotes from "wine column"? Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 30 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nope - that's your job. And, mate: you copied the entire section verbatim from the MPs own page, and so I'm not going to discuss with you individual sentence constructions. I am however simply advising you not to breach our policy on WP:COPYVIO again. Learning how to put information in your own form of words is an essential skill to develop if you want to add content based upon copyrighted pages. If you can't do that, you might wish to consider finding something else to work on here. Nick Moyes (talk) 00:15, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I dispute that it was an exact copy. But of course we'll never know, because it's been disappeared. "His favourite authors include Evelyn Waugh, Arnold Bennett, R. L. Stevenson, John Buchan and Simon Raven." That's copyvio, yes, for which I might "find my editing rights removed"? Mate. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:24, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What I do in such cases is sort names by alphabet. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:04, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the tip. But maybe our Tory friend purposely listed them in order of preference? Luckily we have all escaped the onslaught from Mr. Pincher's copyright lawyers over this one. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:10, 1 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. surprised he doesn't list "member of the Carlton Club".[reply]
First, I appreciate that clever link. I looked at the source, and I have another tip. He cites Evelyn Waugh.... as among his favourite authors. If you have other things from that source you'd like me to take a look at, I'd be happy to. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:09, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Did Waugh write a lot about fish? Seems he certainly knew all about the Carlton Club. However, I've been told, in no uncertain terms, that all of that stuff that our "pound shop Harvey Weinstein" reads is irrelevant. Not having much luck with Chris's personal life, am I. But then, I guess, neither is he. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:52, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I'm half American and half human. I thought that Evelyn was a woman. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:55, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry I didn't want to appear transphobic. But I had heard that you were, in fact, born as a mermaid... Martinevans123 (talk) 18:03, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think you may have confused Evelyn with Ethel. "Hey Tryptofish, everyone's staring at your wrasse!" --Tryptofish (talk) 18:18, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Purposely or not, the copyvio police doesn't care. Thank goodness in opera, I can always fill lists of of roles by adding the composers' names, or would have lost my editing privileges long ago. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:21, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes, opera! Lately it seems we have to put up with editing mostly soap opera. Martinevans123 (talk) 09:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Cosima Wagner, and I thought that soap was over. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:00, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I had forgotten all about the "pound shop Harvey Weinstein": "Story said that he had been invited back to Pincher's flat, where Pincher massaged his neck and talked about his "future in the Conservative party", before changing into a bathrobe." Martinevans123 (talk) 14:17, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

National Trust

You funny old thing you! I would be affectionately ruffling your hair and smooshing your lovely chubby cheeks if only this were real life! (Terms and conditions apply, YMMV, not necessarily legal in all jurisdictions) Cheers DBaK (talk) 16:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

See you down the Carlton Club, sexy. --"Pincher" Evans 123 (talk) 17:02, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely! And shall I bring my tiny tooter or would that be de trop? DBaK (talk) 18:56, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yikes. I generally go for something with a bigger bottom end. But you can "leave your hat on" as Sir Tom might say.... Martinevans123 (talk) 19:46, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hmmm, cheek: incapable of playing even a simple scale – welcome to my World O'Music™ DBaK (talk) 22:05, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, ok. I'm willing to consider something that was big in the boyfriend. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:13, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Assuming good faith

I really shouldn't need to remind you, but please try to assume good faith. If you think that the only reason I would remove something from Johnson's article is because I'm a Tory stooge trying to hide bad news, it's probably time to step away from editing for a while. Thanks SmartSE (talk) 13:59, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I don't recall describing you as "a Tory stooge trying to hide bad news." If I had said any such thing, I'd certainly want to "step away". I have assumed that you are editing in perfectly good faith, and I'd respectfully request that you extend the same courtesy to me. Entire sections of articles get "tidied away" all the time. As per WP:BRD it deserves discussion at the Talk page. Very sorry if "some of us are better at leaving our POV at the door." Or should that be congratulations? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:12, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
p.s. if you're worried that the "40 new hospitals" promise might have been a perfectly fair and reasonable manifesto pledge after all, here's a source that discusses the "Boris Johnson Brexit bus lie that the NHS would get an extra £350m a week".
All washed up... high and dry.
p.p.s. "AGF" for Johnson = "always giving fibs"...

Wow! Looks like the penny has now finally dropped!! Martinevans123 (talk) 17:21, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Pathetic grovelling to Chris Mason probably won't cut it, Boris. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I can't keep up! Going to start needing a précis of events so I don't wake up and find a whole bunch of confusing allusions on Twitter. Do you think Humpty Dumpty is about to fall? Softlavender (talk) 03:49, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Seriously is someone keeping score? How many is it now? Softlavender (talk) 01:51, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Ukrainian Melody

July songs

today: violin solo and you can listen Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:30, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How wonderful. Thank you so much. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:12, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You will always be Alchemilla mollis personified, to me, Gerda. Martinevans123 (talk) 22:47, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
love that - yesterday I attended a unique concert - the 18th Thomaskantor after Bach conducting - and with some good luck caught him happy afterwards! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:15, 9 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks Gerda! Looks like a lovely evening. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:49, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed, and I now have the complete program and a review. The program was called Salmo! - sadly not in Wiesbaden, perhaps they thought we'd not understand it means psalm! which means sing!. I had noticed that they sang Psalms 150, 100, 84 and 149. The review image shows the conductor even happier, imagine. It's detailed and all praise but sadly not going beyond Mendelssohn, while we found the late works especially impressive, listen to the 2009 Locus iste by (Welsh) Mealor. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 09:54, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Is that the one in Wrexham? Martinevans123 (talk) 10:03, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"that" meaning the sacred place? Aberdeen. 500 years - forgot the word. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:16, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You put Mealor... did you mean Maelor? choir? Thanks! Martinevans123 (talk) 10:19, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You click on Locus iste, find composer Paul Mealor, and choir Tenebrae, YT at bottom, but there are others. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 10:21, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah ok, thanks. Yes, Tenebrae are wonderful. Martinevans123 (talk) 10:31, 11 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
So are Voces8, pictured - I have a FAC open, in case of interest --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:28, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd understand if you don't want to reply for a while, but perhaps you'd listen to some music from time to time? Voces8. I'll cherish your above comment for a long time, putting it in my blushing section. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Gerda, your posts are always welcome. I enjoy listening to music more than most other things. In fact, before to long, I might be taking that up full time. Thank you. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:59, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Trying to contact you

Hi Martin, hope you’re well. Could I possibly get a Twitter DM from @stokel or an email to that username at gmail dot com, please? Would love to ask you a Q. Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:23C8:5300:CB01:909B:B323:F1B:FACB (talk) 22:55, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(talk page stalker) Dear IP, no one wants to reply to random anonymous solicitations. The best way to ask a question of a Wikipedian is to ask on their talkpage; or create a wiki account, enable email correspondence, and then use the "Email this user" link in the left column of their userpages. Softlavender (talk) 01:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, don't use Twitter. As Softlavender says, you are welcome to email, of course. I am a fully paid-up Grauniad reader. Regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 06:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He's not gone.... but we should at least all be grateful. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:35, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Praise the (House of) Lord(s), the day may soon come when he will bore-us no longer. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:40, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if only he could be immediately elevated into a perpetual state of rapture. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:45, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
It was so much easier in times past, when he could have been elevated to rupture. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:50, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Although one wouldn't want to see how the sausage was made. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:54, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps Graham Brady and pals will elect its first ever female chairperson. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:59, 7 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. as you probably know, it's only thanks to Boris that the good people of Nor'n Ir'n can still enjoy the Great British Banger as part of their Olster Fray![reply]
That must be the latest nutritive disaster to hit those unfortunate people. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:03, 7 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Can someone please ping me when he's moved out of No 10 and someone else has moved in? I'm tired of wondering, searching, reading, re-reading, and re-re-re-reading. Softlavender (talk) 00:17, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

DM corner

The wonderful Brian Bilston
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

"How Much I Dislike the Daily Mail"

I would rather
eat Quavers that are six week’s stale,
blow dry the hair of Gareth Bale,
listen to the songs of Jimmy Nail,
than read one page of the Daily Mail.

If I were bored
in a waiting room in Perivale,
on a twelve hour trip on British rail
or a world circumnavigational sail,
I would not read the Daily Mail.

I would happily read
the complete works of Peter Mayle,
the autobiography of Dan Quayle,
selected scripts from Emmerdale,
but I couldn’t ever read the Daily Mail.

Far better to
stand outside in a storm of hail,
be blown out to sea in a powerful gale
then swallowed by a humpback whale
than have to read the Daily Mail.

Even if
I were blind
and it was the only thing
in Braille,
I still would not read
the Daily Mail.

[46]

"Pizza or sherry?"

Yes, I thought twice about both those points (whether to link the progs, and is/was)! Thanks for your input. PamD 12:26, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well done Pam, for such a good and quick article creation. Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:31, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This sounds like a possible DYK candidate. Softlavender (talk) 23:32, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah yes.... Did you know...

David Pearce

Good Afternoon,

I am enquiring why the legacy section was removed from the Wikipedia page? This is all relevant and has references.

There are other legacy sections on sportsperson on wiki. Can you please explain?

Regards 78.86.131.103 (talk) 13:28, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Good afternoon. I assume you are referring to the article David Pearce (boxer) and to this edit which has the edit summary "rm all the non-encyclopaedic and unreffed content that keeps creeping in, it's still a fan page packed with trivia, 'quotes', and anecdotes without references." The best place to raise your question is at Talk:David Pearce (boxer). Kind regards. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:33, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

An omen?

Does this 1905 editorial cartoon presage the fate of Vlad's Russia? – Sca (talk) 15:41, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well, the table's not quite big enough for our Mr Putin, is it. But otherwise yes, one hopes. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:01, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The resemblance is striking, wouldn't you say? -- Sca (talk) 18:03, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Putin really couldn't hold a candle to Peter the Great, could he. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:05, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Not in terms of killing forced laborers -- estimated at 30,000 to 100,000 in the building of St. Petersburg. -- Sca (talk) 18:19, 12 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


 • You've got mail. Hope it's readable at yr end. – Sca (talk) 19:43, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, very interesting, thanks. Seem to be some parallels. A troubled land. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


 • TFA — Nothing like an extinct rodent to stir reader interest. – Sca (talk) 11:49, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

How about a soon-to-be-extinct suidae? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:50, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
He certainly can be a boar. -- Sca (talk) 13:18, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No quarter

"Four-year-old Liza killed by Russian attack on Vinnytsia."
— Obviously an enemy of the people. – Sca (talk) 19:20, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Margarita Simonyan, editor-in-chief of the Russian state-controlled media said the individuals targeted in the attack ... were "Nazis"." Martinevans123 (talk) 19:25, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Figgers. I thought Liza looked an awful lot like a young Ilse Koch. -- Sca (talk) 19:30, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Boris Corner

Please do not open if easily offended
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.

A touching personal tribute to our great leader from the wonderful Bard of Salford.

"Anyone for some tasty Olster pie?"

Remember.... back in 2019... "You put it in, slam it in the oven, take it out, there it is, get BREXIT done, take the country forward, unite, level up!"

And now... in June 2022: "Hang on, we put too much meat in the pie. So we're passing a law that takes half the meat out. Sorry about that, everyone".

Thanks, John, that's much clearer now (great track!)

And your handy Top Tips guide to those current pretenders, to the Royal Throne of Johnsonshire, in full.....

King Tut

Please, please don't keep doing this, it's easy enough to source. I don't like playing the pity card, but I'm trying to get some serious work done despite my health. Doug Weller talk 11:17, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry to hear about your health. Maybe you need to take a break? I don't "keep doing" anything. I'm just noting that the claim is unsourced. Thanks for adding that History News Network source, but none of Harry Von Tilzer, Jones & Hare or Sophie Tucker are named there. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:24, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I mean you aren't trying to source. HNN shows that King Tut was used that early. Tilzer is sourced, not sure why you mention him. Jones & Hare have a link to the song, but I don't care if you remove the two. And whu in Hell should I take a break from something I love and gives me a lot of support? Doug Weller talk 12:56, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, I'm not able to provide medical advice. I am wholly unware of your personal circumstances. Not sure what you mean by "Tilzer is sourced." That paragraph also says " "King Tut" became the name of products, businesses and..." Well maybe it did, but there are zero sources there supporting that claim. I've chosen not to remove the claims that are unsourced, in the hope that sources may be found. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:59, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't need medical advice and I'm out of here. Doug Weller talk 13:08, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sounds like a winning combination. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:21, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Martin, I don't know anything about the content dispute, and don't want to, but I'm familiar with what Doug has been going through, and I'd appreciate it – seriously – if you'd cut him a little slack. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:57, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for telling me. It's often very hard to know what other editors are facing. You have my full support, Doug. Let me know however I can help. Of course I have no issue with Doug, I'm just trying to improve Tutankhamun#Legacy, in particular the popularity of the name "King Tut". By all means add anything you can. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:49, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Sorry if it was not clear that I was not challenging this block. I have tried to offer some explanation below, while seriously considering my position. But if the community doesn't accept that in mitigation, and the consensus is that mentoring is not possible, there not much I can do. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:53, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed your Autopatrolled right

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Thanks for telling me. Martinevans123 (talk) 15:32, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

July 2022

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Not as sorry as me. Please forgive me if I don't send you any copyvio reports for a while. Martinevans123 (talk) 07:36, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Martin, please see this: [47]. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:45, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I just want to say that if need be I'll supervise/mentor Tryptofish in supervising/mentoring you. Nothing can go wrong then. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EEng (talk • contribs) 00:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And I volunteer to supervise you. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:44, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I need all the help I can get, and EEng needs even more. (Oh wait, I'm not supposed to say anything humorous, because that will encourage Martin to kidnap someone's baby.) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, Gerda. As with Trypto, I really appreciate it. Perhaps I won't give up. But "indefinitely" is quite a long time, isn't it. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:10, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Please don't give up! Indefinite means undefined, no more, no less. Showing repentence and - more important - understanding for the concerns could make it short. I however, don't understand the concerns as (while I am aware that in general we have to say everything in our own words) I don't know about your particular crimes. I have seen productive editors driven away over copyvio allegations, Khazar the worst case I remember, and hope hope hope that you won't be another one. A dear friend and family member died yesterday, to put concerns in perspective. Back then, we fixed the articles Khazar had left, mostly about fighters for human rights. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 13:24, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Gerda. Sorry, I'm really not sure any more. Once again, I was trying to add content too quickly. There is nothing like a post at A/N to show what other editors really think of you, so I am watching the comments there with interest. As valereee has kindly pointed out, this was a "copy-paste-edit-save" i.e. there was actually some "edit" there, where I tried to re-write the original prose and leave out all the material I could not re-write. Obviously I did not try hard enough. I find it incredibly difficult to "paraphrase" lists of facts in chronological order e.g. the galleries where Smith had exhibitions. I also attributed everything of course, probably explaining why I was blocked within five minutes. I'm not sure what percentage of my 205,768 edits have received copyvio warnings. But in this situation, it seems that all of the other edits count for nothing. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think I understand that much. No more today, choir celebrating end of season. I try to avoid WP:Great Dismal Swamp, please understand. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 14:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You are very wise to do so, like many, I suspect. I am very sorry to hear about your friend and family member. Yes, that puts everything into perspective. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:43, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Martin, I get it. It's tempting to think that by copy/paste/edit, we can come up with something other than copyvio. It's literally almost never true. Copyvio really can't be edited out. Copyvio even includes sentence and paragraph structure; you can't just leave out a few words, replace a few with synonyms, etc. You have to read the passage, then write a summary of what that passage says. It's literally better to just write a whole bunch of choppy straightforward sentences:
Alan Verner Smith was born in 1908 in Southhampton. His father was the captain of a steamboat. He attended boarding school in Jersey. He attended Bournemouth School of Art. He attended Westminster School of Art. He became a gallery assistant in London.
This partially explains Wikipedia's reputation for dry prose.
At some later revision, you can come in and make it prettier, or someone else will. valereee (talk) 16:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks very much. This is not something I have done "deliberately", just because I have assumed "an unwarranted degree of entitlement." Nor have I done it covertly, without showing my source. It's not helped by the scarcity of source material for Sam Smith. I am genuinely sorry for these breaches. Perhaps it's a shame there's not a separate block just for "adding new material" - I spend increasing amounts time warning drive-by IPs for vandalism, adding Categories, adding internal links, adding External links, etc., etc. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"This partially explains Wikipedia's reputation for dry prose." Yes, and sometimes very dry and awkward. I often come across such examples in (usually neglected) articles and I always think to myself "Ah, at least there's going to be no copyvio there. That's been deliberately mangled to avoid that." But I very rarely go on to try and "make it prettier". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:23, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Another possible explanation, of course, is that the editor didn't really understand the source anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And Gerda is 100% correct, indefinite literally only means 'until you've convinced someone that you are willing and able to try to correct the issue.' valereee (talk) 16:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Someone has already suggested I take a 6 month holiday. And it seems a WP:CCI will need to be performed. So perhaps difficult to convince anyone just yet. I thought blocks started off small and got bigger, if needed. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 16:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Blocks start out with what's necessary. In the case of something as serious as ongoing copyvio that has been brought up multiple times and hasn't been addressed, an indef is appropriate because it prevents the editor from making further problematic additions before agreeing the issue is worth addressing and agreeing to address it. Short blocks are for short-term issues such as edit-warring, with increasing blocks if the person engages repeatedly as a way to demotivate that behavior in future. The first block might be 30 hours just to stop the current edit-war. The second might be two days. The third might be a week. valereee (talk) 16:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much, Tryptofish, for your kind and practical offer of support, and so swiftly made. I am so grateful to you for being so positive. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe, if you are thinking of taking some time off to reflect about this, that might be a good idea. It doesn't have to be six months, could be three. If, after some time, you feel like coming back (not necessarily that coming back is worth the aggravation), you could make a clear and sincere statement of a desire to fix things, and include in it a desire to do it under the conditions of my offer (which will still stand, assuming I continue to think that my being here is worth my own aggravation!). My impression is that this would be workable. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some unsolicited advice: take the articles that were just deleted/flagged as copyvio and rewrite them without any copyvio and post the rewrites here. Then, assuming there's a CCI, go through your own CCI and flag/fix any additional problematic articles you find. Clean up after yourself, as it were, and they'll unlock the cell. Levivich (talk) 17:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, Levivich, for making such a useful and practical proposal. I could certainly have go at that. It sounds like everyone would be a winner from that. And the interminable watchlist would be no distraction. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:29, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think Levivich's idea is an excellent one, and one that's probably better than my own (although they could potentially be combined in some way). --Tryptofish (talk) 17:38, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
You get to review my Sandbox drafts? Martinevans123 (talk) 18:00, 19 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. thanks - you're not allowed to thank people when you're blocked.[reply]
I could, if you agree to it. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, wait, reviewing your Sandbox drafts isn't a euphemism for something dirty, is it? Please note that the humor-impaired nitwits at ANI will see my comment as undermining the very serious nature of the problem and will encourage Martin to go on a crime spree. Yes, that's me (and not Martin) being disrespectful, and screw anyone who wants to block me for it. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As you know, I'm not allowed any humour at the moment. By the way... last night it was about 30° here, when it's usually about 20°. And it still is. No-one needs "water cool and soapbox", do they. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:31, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Here where I am, in the colonies, it's 89°. (And we're illiterate about the metric system.) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I pressed the newfangled Reply button and now have no idea what I am editing. Soz man. I just wanted to say that I am fully in support of anything that gets Martin back to editing absolutely as soon as possible, like preferably yesterday. Walk of Shame anyone? I will bring popcorn.
Also, this: As you know, I'm not allowed any humour at the moment ... my word, what a gift to the satirist. I am merely going to allow myself a dignified titter, and move on rapidly. Best to all, DBaK (talk) 08:00, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I left some books in the cell from my recent stay, they're probably still up on the windowshelf. And don't forget to file your paperwork correctly, Levivowski. Levivich (talk) 17:47, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ooh, backatcha, and then some. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:59, 19 July 2022 (UTC) p.s. thanks - you're not allowed to thank people when you're blocked. [reply]
I'd like to add my name to the 'don't want you to stay blocked' list, and I'll be happy to help that come about if I can. I personally don't think you need a six month break - what would that achieve, except us all getting a bit older? - I think you need to demonstrate that you have got the message, that you accept that this stuff matters, that you have caused a lot of unnecessary work for other people who will handle the CCI, and that in future if you're not sure whether something is OK or not, you'll ask for advice before hitting the 'publish changes' button. I could write screeds about how I go about avoiding copyvio, but I'll hold off until you tell me you want to hear it. Girth Summit (blether) 18:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course, your advice would be totally welcome. But there really is no rush from my point of view. One editor at A/N seems to be saying that I need to have "a chance to calm down." Thanks for your support and encouragement. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll put something together over the next couple of days - not much time tomorrow, I'm driving down from Scotland (where I have been avoiding the hot weather) to York, but I'll get onto it ASAP. The main thing that people are going to want to see from you in an unblock request is a clean acknowledgement that there have been problems, and a confirmation that you want to fix them.
Don't argue the toss about every comment made at ANI. Some of them might be bollocks, but there are problems that need to be fixed, and which need not to happen again. Girth Summit (blether) 18:37, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I certainly won't "argue the toss about every comment." When you're blocked, your right of reply is largely gone. I just read some comments and thought, "wow, how long have they had such a grudge against me? Nice time to tell me". That's all. Thanks again for your fair advice. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't really think that they have been harboring a grudge against you. I don't think it's something that personal. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:02, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Many people now seem to be very keen to review all my previous content addition and to correct my mistakes, which can only be a good thing. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:21, 19 July 2022 (UTC) ... although I didn't realise that stuff inside double quotation marks, taken from a WP:RS, with full attribution, could be cooyvio.[reply]
To take from the book Tryptofish is a Nitwit by Jimmy Wales (Bomis Press, 2020):
"Tryptofish was born in the Atlantic Ocean, part of a spawn of 670 fry. Two very ugly fish were the parents, and the spawn happened in 1776." (in quote marks, followed by an inline cite to the book)
is a copyvio, despite the quote marks and the inline cite. But:
According to Jimmy Wales, "Tryptofish was born in the Atlantic Ocean, part of a spawn of 670 fry. Two very ugly fish were the parents, and the spawn happened in 1776." (with in-sentence attribution, the copied part in quotes, and followed by an inline cite to the book)
is not a copyvio, because it's completely clear where it came from. The difference is putting the "according to" part directly in the sentence. However, it's shoddy writing to quote it at that much length. So:
Tryptofish's parents were unattractive. Tryptofish was part of an Atlantic Ocean spawn, in 1776. There were a total of 670 fry in the spawn. (with an inline cite to the book, and no quote marks)
is the correct way to do it. Although it inevitably repeats some words and phrases from the source, it's arranged in a fashion that does not copy from the source. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:46, 19 July 2022 (UTC) Revised. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:03, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There's also consideration of WP:fair use when quoting with attribution. We couldn't, for instance, put all of [48] into quotes and attribute it. In general we quote only that which illuminates in ways we can't by simply paraphrasing. valereee (talk) 18:52, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I honestly think I understand that. My creation of Sam Smith (English sculptor) would have been a lot quicker if I hadn't. But I imagine the consequences would have been just the same. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:06, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I'd call that "attribution". Martinevans123 (talk) 19:04, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Attribution is the bare minimum required, and something that is completely unattributed is clearly a violation, but simply making an attribution can still violate copyright. (I revised the example multiple times, so please make sure you look at the most recent version.) --Tryptofish (talk) 19:08, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I was replying to the first part of your comment. I had an e/c. I had thought my text was "arranged in a fashion that did not copy from the source." Evidently not. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:11, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Having seen the result of Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations#Martinevans123, it seems "This issue goes back for years." So it seems I won't be troubling you any further. So long. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:23, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
WP:There is no deadline. Take as much time as you want. Please don't feel overwhelmed. Just take one piece at a time, and don't worry about fixing it all in a short period of time. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:30, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Martin, just take a bit of time to process. Don't react now. This can be managed, and there are obviously many folks who are offering to help. It'll look different in a few days. Whatever you do to relax -- a beer, a soak, a cuddle with the pups, a musical interlude, a deep dive into Love Island -- go do that. valereee (talk) 20:16, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
What Valereee said (...excluding the Love Island bit). No one can doubt your good faith dedication to WP. That's needed. There are issues to be sorted out, clearly. But have a breather and get back into it. DeCausa (talk) 20:36, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
"Wikipedia is so like Love Island in so many ways." - Discuss. I also need a holiday to trim down my watchlist (again) - I think 14,985 items might be too many. Martinevans123 (talk) 12:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Martin, I so hate to see this block. Your humorous quips area bright spot in an otherwise mundane and sometimes very dark place. I understand there are issues that need to be cleared up and I would and will help where I can as I am on something of a sabbatical from Wikipedia myself. Apparently I have a fundamental misunderstanding of Wikipedia policies and guidelines (I know, shocker) but an unwillingness to correct them when provided with "accurate information". The last part is the kicker. I gave an opinion, something given every day here. I still stick to my opinion but I respect consensus. I made an argument. The argument was rebutted by others who saw it differently. The statement that I am unwilling to do anything is the part I take an affront to. I would never characterize another good faith editor as having a fundamental misunderstanding of anything seeing as policies are so vague and change based on the consensus in any specific discussion. That's the beauty of Wikipedia. In many cases (not necessarily yours), you can be on the "wrong" side of a discussion on one article and argue the same point on another and be on the "right" side. I digress, take your break. Evaluate your situation. Make the corrections you feel are necessary. Come back to us and incorporate them with the help of those in the community that enjoy your contributions as well as your company. We need you here. Can you imagine how lost Tryp would be ( like a fish outta water)? But seriously, come back to "Love Island". --ARoseWolf 13:43, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Ah RoseWolf, I can't thank you enough... in fact, I can't "thank" you at all, because I'm blocked. I "bumped into" another long time editor, the other day, someone who I have always respected. I had not seen them around for a few months and had assumed they had retired. Felt sorry. Then I discovered why - they are currently blocked for 6 months for copyvio. Small world. I felt even more sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 14:31, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Your "thanks" is appreciated no matter what avenue it comes by. I definitely feel sorry for the loss of countless former editors who had a great impact on the encyclopedia during their time here. I can't excuse or downplay the reasons for why they are no longer here but I can empathize. Tbh, I'm also a little jealous that some of them have been able to move on and not really think about this project. I do this when I am on an extended stay away, like for winter, but I genuinely care about the project and editors here, whether we have agreed or disagreed. That being said, perhaps one day I will just give myself a personal block and join those that have moved on, if for nothing else then personal health. My hope and wish for you is that mentorship is an option and you agree to where you can get clarity and begin to fix the issues that lead to the block. --ARoseWolf 18:24, 20 July 2022 (UTC) --edited 18:26, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There is now a proposal at WP:AN, to change the indef block to a p-block from mainspace. --Tryptofish (talk) 23:05, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The CCI has been opened at Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/20220720. The 130k edits you've made to mainspace will be surveyed and then pasted onto that page, it'll look something like this, although there shouldn't be nearly as many subpages. The vast majority of the listed edits won't be copyright violations, and there will be no mass reversions of your edits. Edits that aren't copyright violations will be marked with Red XN and nothing you added will be removed or otherwise tampered with. That means references, templates, copyedits, reverts, external links and other sorts of minor edits will be ignored. Pages with copyright issues will be marked with Green tickY and content too close to sources will be removed/rephrased and problematic quotes will be fixed. The CCI hasn't been filled out yet because of the large edit count, but once it is a page like Wikipedia:Contributor copyright investigations/Dr. Blofeld CCI cleanup could be created, in order to coordinate a cleanup. I coordinated the Blofeld cleanup, which was a success and the CCI (which was the largest ever at the time) was finished in about a year; you have less edits, so a concentrated cleanup should go quicker. If you have any further questions about it, please ask me.

Something that might be useful are these Copypatrol reports made on edits that led to warnings: Concorde report, Church of St Thomas a Becket report, Jon Hiseman report, Sam Smith report. If you click on "iThenticate report", you can see the overlap between the edits and the source; that might make what the exact problems were clearer. Moneytrees🏝️(Talk) 05:09, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Moneytrees. Thank you very much for your very clear explanation. And thanks also for those Copypatrol reports, which are very useful. Perhaps you could explain here how my having a p-block from mainspace, instead of an indef block, would affect me. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:47, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd then be able to make an informed decision, if it were to be offered. Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I notice in the Concorde report, that no distinction is made between free text and directly quoted speech. So is that quoted speech part of the coyvoio? Is all quoted speech potentially a copyvio? How do you tell? Thanks. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]


If it were to happen, you'd be able to edit your sandbox, as opposed to putting drafts on your talk page. But I need to tell you that, at this point, it has zero chance of being offered. I think it's pretty much final that the block will stay indef for now. Take as much time as feels right to you (does not have to be a specific number of months, despite some people talking about six months), and then see what you might want to ask for. No hurry. --Tryptofish (talk) 21:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hi Martin, do you know about WP:EARWIG? You probably do since you have worked on DYK items. Anyway, I thought I'd mention it because it's a good way to check your work and prevent copyvios. Cheers mate, I hope you get out of wiki-jail soon. Softlavender (talk) 03:07, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Hi Softlavender. Hope you are well. Yes, of course, I have it in my Sandbox and I have used it many times in the past (both in search mode and in compare mode), although obviously not quite enough times... As I was composing Sam Smith (English sculptor) in my sandbox, I remember thinking, "what I should really do is save this as a draft in this sandbox and run an earwig check against the website material." And then I thought, "if it is copyvio, then I'll probably have to get it rev-del'ed by an admin (as happened with Philippe Chaperon in 2019). And then I thought, "yeah I know which words are gonna be the same, anyway and some of those are just plain facts, which I can't paraphrase anyway...I'll just save it to main space and take out the suspect bits in a minute" and "oh, my god, this house is like an oven...". Not many seconds later to be distracted by something that looked more urgent on my too-big watchlist... and hey presto...I'm blocked. I think someone at A/N has called me lazy. In this case they are 100% right. And sorry if this little explanation looks just like a Government minister resignation speech, but "dems the facts". Martinevans123 (talk) 11:52, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    p.s. why is the Sandbox open to public view? Martinevans123 (talk) 12:37, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    p.p.s. thank you so much Andrew. There might be a good WP:DYK for you there! Martinevans123 (talk) 12:38, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    DYK is not much fun now that there are too many cooks. But I'm curious how you came to work on this topic as I'd not heard of this interesting chap before. Was it triggered by the Sam Smith whose death generated confusion and discussion at WP:ERRORS and ITN recently? Andrew🐉(talk) 16:02, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    In fact his "Bathing Huts" on last Sunday's Antiques Roadshow, where Fiona does her "Good, Better, Best" with expert Chris Yeo. It was first shown last February, and I had meant to do it then. I had heard of him in the 1990s, but I can't remember how. I was particularly interested in his automata. Martinevans123 (talk) 17:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've not watched that show since the good old days of Arthur Negus as The Repair Shop's format of restoring old junk is more to my taste. But I checked out your link and the examples were quite charming. "Sheep Shearing Man" was the star of the show and I find that we have Ron Fuller already. But Peter Markey was missing so I've made a start on him. That's just a stub but I like starting at that basic level and their meagre prose means that no-one gives you any grief about copyright. Andrew🐉(talk) 20:27, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I must invest in more meagre prose. Thanks for finding such great sources for Sam Smith. Arthur was a real institution - but those bars on the windows were inlaid with mahogany. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:35, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Paraphrasing

Don't know if this is any use, but I notice a commment about the difficulty of paraphrasing. I work in writing and publishing - and yep, paraphrasing can be a pig. My approach is that I never even try. I never use a source via the copy-modify-save method, and every word I write goes in through my keyboard (except if I need a quote, when I always copy-paste to be sure I don't misquote). So here's what I do. Firstly, I read a piece of source text several times until I properly understand it. I then close the text, and make a number of bullet-point notes of the key points (typed from memory, not copy-pasted). I then write some expanded text that explains those points in my own words. I can then check back for errors and omissions, and repeat the cycle however many times I need. The key point is that I never copy source text for modification, and I don't write my words while looking directly at the source text. I hope that might be of some help. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 08:40, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The trouble with that approach is that you get transcription errors and it may then be hard to cite the appropriate source for each particular fact. And the more you deviate from the sources, the more likely you are to introduce subtle distortion and synthesis. Remember Gavin.collins who took the view that changing the source's text in any way was OR? "He believes that to summarize a source in your own words has a high probability of injecting original research, and this interpretation has caused him to repeatedly engage in significant verbatim copying from sources that result in copyright violations." So, damned if you do, and damned if you don't. See also Paraphrasing of copyrighted material... Andrew🐉(talk) 10:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, those are fair points, and I think it does need close attention to checking and verification afterwards. And just work on a small part at a time, for example one historical event. But yes, as you say, there are risks with whatever writing approach we take. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 10:29, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks both for your helpful comments. Yes, there are risks. The risk to me was that I would get blocked, and look what happened. I will be stepping back from the project for a while to reflect on things (and while the CCI is being compiled). I used to think that Wikipedia was in some way a creative enterprise. But I've rather changed my mind. At it's core, it's really not. It's essentially a duplicative process. And there's the central problem: authors and journalists (well the good ones, anyway) choose the exact words and punctuations they do for very good reason, to express exact meanings. If people are not permitted to use those exact words and punctuations, and instead have to paraphrase or re-write, it's highly likely that the meaning will be changed. Whether that change is too much might well be a subjective judgement. The other particular problem that I seem to have, is that there are often sequences of chronological events / facts in sources which I am unable to paraphrase e.g. a list of someone's favourite authors, where all we can do is change the order from the original source into strict alphabetical order - but even that, of course, might be seen as changing the meaning. Please forgive me if I do not respond to further comments for a while. I've become rather disillusioned with the whole enterprise, not just my particularly mistaken and stupid contributions to it. Martinevans123 (talk) 11:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The sign-off to use in such circumstances is "Hasta la vista, baby", eh? Andrew🐉(talk) 14:56, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. Either that or "But them's the breaks.". Martinevans123 (talk) 15:00, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Well, bon voyage my good friend. Take all the time you want, and make sure you find plenty of space for things that are fun for you. As I have pointed out many times to others, it's only a website. Not that important in the grand scheme of things, and so many other things are far more important. I understand that the main business here is to make articles useful for our readers, and everything else is secondary. But anyone who cannot also find it in themselves to recognize that all editors are also human beings (well, there's one fish, too), and that we should strive to enjoy one another's company, is emotionally stunted. When the time comes that you feel ready to come back, I hope that you will, and I know that you will find enough good people here who will help. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:14, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Gosh, that CCI looks like a lot work to check though. I trust the requesting admin considered the quality and duration of my two previous copyyio blocks before deciding. Martinevans123 (talk) 18:51, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
About the CCI, I'll try to help whenever you come back. Until then, I'll let the self-righteous work on it all by their lonesome selves. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:03, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Don't get too mad on my behalf at A/N, Trypto! Folks will start thinking you're as bad as me. And I certainly don't want that! We've all agreed Diannaa was only doing her job and most people agree she's incredibly hardworking and efficient, something I have never been here. She said sorry, which is more than most folks get. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:31, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, taking a bit of time off to relax and reassess things is often a good idea. Meanwhile, have one of these...
The Tireless Contributor Barnstar
For many years of great contributions. Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 12:41, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Boing! Thank you so much for that. It means a great deal. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:46, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(Oh, reply tool, what are you like!? That's so boxing not clever. I was expecting that reply to fall outside the ring...)

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and which is it, - the first? --Gerda Arendt (talk) 12:18, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Who knows? I obviously don't. Thanks anyway. Martinevans123 (talk) 13:12, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
In context, it had to be near Paris, not in the Loire, so I fixed it. --Tryptofish (talk) 19:35, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
thank you, always learning, now geography of France --Gerda Arendt (talk) 21:25, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, all I did was read that it happened while he was staying in Paris, and then I found that only one entry on the dab page was near Paris. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:01, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

CCI Notice

Hello, Martinevans123. This message is being sent to inform you that a request for a contributor copyright investigation has been filed at Contributor copyright investigations concerning your contributions to Wikipedia in relation to Wikipedia's copyrights policy. The listing can be found here. Thank you. Sennecaster (Chat) 19:13, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, I see. Very sorry. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:20, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Peek-a-boo, Jimbo

Dang I get startled, each time I come here & Jimbo peaks out from the left side of the screen. Anyways, hope you're doing alright. GoodDay (talk) 19:39, 21 July 2022 (UTC) ;)[reply]

Yes, it's so spooky isn't it. Almost an unhinged leer, I always think. If only I could pin him down. I am fine thanks, but embarrassed by the amount of "discussion" I have generated at A/N, without the full extent of my crimes even yet evident. Not least to me. Martinevans123 (talk) 19:59, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If only you could manage it, so that Larry Sanger peaks out on the right side ;) GoodDay (talk) 20:06, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, at Roxy the dog's page, where there is what looks like a fly on the screen, I was once leaving a message there when an actual housefly landed on my screen. Talk about cognitive dissonance! (Oh wait, I shouldn't be posting here, because someone at AN is actually counting the number of posts I have ever made here, because counting them is obviously a good use of time, and using it as evidence that this makes Martin a bad person. Sorry.) --Tryptofish (talk) 20:08, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As agreed, please just use the third litter bin along under Waterloo Bridge and the spondulix will keep flowing. Otherwise, you know... it's umbrella time for you, matey. Martinevans123 (talk) 20:15, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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