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October 2005 — February 2007

• Category:Wood Badger Wikipedians
• {{Wikipedia:WikiProject Scouting/Userboxes/Wood Badger}}

The following was revealed the day before the opening of the 1989 National Jamboree by William "Green-Bar Bill" Hillcourt: Francis Gidney was the camp chief for the first initial Wood Badge training sessions. With respect to the neckerchief slide, Mr. Gidney knew that most folks were not good wood carvers, so he elected to have the candidates do some knot-tying work - the Turk's-head knot was his choice.

Can this be verified? I can't find anything.Rlevse 22:13, 17 August 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"Since 1948, Wood Badge training has been provided in the United States at Schiff Scout Reservation and, in the last decades, mostly at Philmont Scout Ranch."

The sentence above is inacurate as most Wood Badge courses in the US are held by local councils under the auspices of the Region. Very few US Wood Badgers (as a percentage of the whole) took their course at either Philmont or Schiff. --Jdurbach 14:17, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, this definitely needs polishing. This should not grow beyond the section. We can consider an article on Wood Badge in the U.S. to be worked later. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 15:10, 17 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe it's obvious to the article's creators, but why is it called the Wood Badge? It doesn't seem to have anything to do with woodworking. Is it named for skills used "in the woods"? —dgies^t_c 17:08, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Because the beads were wooden, "wood", and they're given as an award for completing the training, "badge". Hence "Wood Badge".Rlevse 17:09, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

We should clarify this after the TFA. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 21:06, 18 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

If somebody could verify, I had always heard that BP thought that there should be an award but it should not be modest... made of wood. WMT —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.131.16.206 (talk) 02:18, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

This article went through TFA rather well. The only changes to survive were minor wording and one wikilink. diff

As usual, this seems to have spilled over to other articles. Neckerchief got about as many edits yesterday as it had over six months. There seemed to be some geometry issues- wording changed from right triangle to isosceles triangle, then to right isosceles triangle. I changed it to triangular and changed hypotenuse to long edge.

Thanks to all for the good work! --Gadget850 ( Ed) 11:35, 19 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

In the UK they are often referred to as "worry beads" as you get all the worry. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.26.49 (talk) 18:49, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The article states that the Wood Badge neckerchief is dove grey. Is it different in the US than in Britain? Mine is pink on one side and faded pink on the other. -Freekee 06:51, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, we need to change this. People where I live argue whether it's mauve or taupe, but they are they same color all over the world, a sort of pink. Let's settle what we should use in the article. Looking at color samples in the articles, to me it looks like a pale taupe. I have noticed the older ones like only slightly different with a hint of gray.Rlevse 10:00, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like I need to take my necker to work and crack open the Pantone charts for an exact match. I don't think something this obvious is OR. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 10:38, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

First, taupe covers a wide range of colors and is not at all precise. The neckerchief uses a twill weave with a face (the top weave) of Pantone 162 and a back of red. Because of the two color twill, the entire neckerchief seems to be a different color than the individual colors. Here is a decent Pantone chart. The closest named colors I could find are either deep peach or sand.

Please note that these colors may seem off if you are using an uncalibrated monitor, and there may be color variations amongst the neckerchiefs. I calibrate my monitor here periodically. It is quite possible that early neckerchiefs were a different color that has been passed on as lore. --Gadget850 ( Ed) 17:37, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Based on what shows on my screen, my necker looks like the deep peach.Rlevse 18:28, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That is what I was leaning towards. I got the name from peach (colour). Understand that there are a lot of different names for colors, but we do have a link for this one. And it's not my fault it's fruity. BTW, it looks like the Scout Association calls it a scarf. [1] --Gadget850 ( Ed) 18:45, 20 September 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Found it. After Mclaren died in 1921, "In his honour the Gilwell staff wore a scarf made of Maclaren tartan. However to reduce the expense a scarf of dove grey cloth (the colour of humility) with a warm red lining (to signify warmth of feeling) was substituted with a patch of Maclaren tartan on the point of the scarf and worn by those passing the Gilwell practical course. In 1924 use of the scarf became restricted to Wood Badge holders only. Today the scarf is more the earth tone colour beige than grey but the reason and the date of this development has not been found." [2]

It does appear that some NSOs use the term woodbeads, expecially those in the World Federation of Independent Scouts. [3] --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 12:26, 20 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

"In a unique honor the Woodbadge neckerchief bearing the Maclaren Clan tartan and presentation of the graduate's woodbadge course number allow the recipient to gain entry into Scottish Games as a vassel non-voting associate of the clan."

User:209.125.110.250 added this section and Rlevse asked for a reference with no response. I did some searching, but have not found anything to validate this. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 10:32, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Good move, this definitely needs a ref. — Rlevse • Talk • 11:04, 20 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

See http://thecapitalscot.com/clans.html — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.4.61.51 (talk) 23:39, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The deletion discussion on Category:Wood Badger Wikipedians has brought out that the article appears to suggest the work is only equivalent to a week in camp. I always thought there was quite a bit of self study. The UK appears to have study of several modules. This section needs some work. It also appears to be a bit US-centric. I do not recall the ticket notion when I did the Wood Badge in the UK and indeed served on training teams there. --Bduke (talk) 23:21, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AFAIK, the ticket is called the project in the UK. "working your ticket" is part of the Gilwell Song too. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:23, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Back in the 1960s there was no project that I recall. The WB was three parts. Part I was study and submission of a work book. Part II was a week at Gilwell or 4 weekends at the local training centre. Part III was a period of experience with the DC or someone popping in to see how you work in practice with the troop or pack. At least that is how I recall it. It is different now. The Australian system involves a lot of study I understand, now it is a TAFE Diploma. The article underplays the effort involved and the nominator proposing deletion of the category spotted it. --Bduke (talk) 23:28, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Bduke, that was 40 years ago! Harhar. I've added just now a blurb about the time allowed for the ticket. In the US it's 18 months from classwork completion. I don't know what it is elsewhere. — Rlevse • Talk • 23:34, 28 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Yeh, I know I'm an oldie. 18 months after completion of the other parts would be considered too long in some countries. There is an expectation that leaders complete training within 2 years of getting a warrant in some countries. I'll try to do some research on this, but not today. --Bduke (talk) 00:10, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of BSA material was removed from the article some time back. I had considered that a fork to a BSA specific article might be warranted. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 01:34, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It wasn't just BSA stuff, prior to the FAC run, Wim cut all the country-specific stuff to make it more of a universal article. — Rlevse • Talk • 01:39, 29 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't we have country-specific sections on the contents? --Lou Crazy (talk) 02:32, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

We used to but there were taken out during the FAC process. — Rlevse • Talk • 02:35, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I pulled this recent addition to the Insignia section:

A unique honor derived from the wearing of the tartan bestowed upon holders of the Wood Badge is acceptance of their application for non-voting membership in Clan Maclaren of North America, which also allows admittance to Scottish Games.^[1]

• The link is dead, found at http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=57&Itemid=58
• This does not belong under Insignia
• It is BSA specific

I'm not sure where this goes. Perhaps we do need a BSA article. --— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 12:37, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

• This link:? http://www.clanmaclarenna.org/CMSNA/home.nsf/Scouting!OpenPage ->

The Clan MacLaren Society of North America has established a special associate (non-voting) membership for any Scouter who has earned his or her Wood Badge. Wood Badge membership in the Clan MacLaren Society of North America (CMSNA) is therefore extended to all Wood Badge-trained Scouters who have completed their "ticket" and have received their Wood Badge beads.

Editorial Note: There is no affiliation between any Boy Scout or Scouting organization and the Clan MacLaren Society of North America, Ltd.

• Clan Maclaren Society, Scotland and Clan Maclaren Society, Australia don't have the same rule, so, it is not BSA specific, it is only highly North America related.

--Egel _Reaction? 13:39, 11 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I have been out of Scouting for about 10 years, but I recall that the Gillwell neckerchief should only be worn when on Scouting activities away from your own group as your own group takes preference. POR may have changed since. A note of this should be made. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.32.26.49 (talk) 18:53, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like a TSA specific guideline. I don't think we want to get into wear by different national Scout organizations. --—— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk - 19:00, 21 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

It's the same in Italy, but it's not a "rule". It could be mentioned as a recommendation (I think there is a B.-P. quote about it, too). --Lou Crazy (talk) 02:27, 22 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The remnants of the original necklace will be presented to the International Scouting Museum in Las Vegas on January 26. [4] ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 22:53, 18 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is a difference between US English for Ax and British English for Axe. So the question then is which applies to this article? "Organize" etc is US except for a an obvious British source, but since the Wood Badge started in the UK, perhaps the article should have British spelling. --Bduke (Discussion) 11:30, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In Webster's Ax is preferred with Axe as the alternate. This has been an FA for almost three years, so why has no one mentioned this before? I vote for leaving the way that got it to FA. — Rlevse • Talk • 21:09, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have no problem with that. I was just pointing out what the argument is about. My dictionary says "Axe. Also, Chiefly US, Ax". I see that the article was started by someone who lives in the US back in 2003, so I guess that is an argument for using US spelling. I am surprised the issue has not come up before. --Bduke (Discussion) 22:41, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It is interesting this never came up before. Usually Brit v. Yank stuff comes up early, esp if it is listed at FAC, like this was 3 years ago. Such articles should be consistent, as this one currently is. Having half in BritSpeak and half in YankSpeak makes no sense at all. — Rlevse • Talk • 22:47, 25 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Since the version promoted in 2007, this article has become listy and excessively wordy (eg, "Scouts Canada holds numerous Wood Badge training courses on an annual basis throughout the country" - d'oh). There is also uncited text throughout (sample). Dubious sourcing abounds (samples, [5], [6] [7], [8] and more ), missing page numbers on books (sample, Diamond Jubilee Yearbook. Manila: Boy Scouts of the Philippines. 1996. ISBN 9789719176909.), missing publishers and dead links (samples, 2006. "Wood Badge Framework". Retrieved March 31, 2023. And "Wood Badge Framework". Retrieved March 31, 2023.) and more that can be detailed. The sourcing is far enough off the current standards for featured articles that I am listing this article at WP:FARGIVEN. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 17:38, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]