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@Genericusername57: The infobox states that Rossi is the birth name. Should be remove/amend that as well? Jonatan Svensson Glad (talk) 19:09, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Josve05a: Oh yes, thank you. gnu57 19:15, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Why would it be removed? His birth name is Rossi, not Alahverdian. SANTADICAE🎅 19:38, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

We should probably move to "Nicholas Rossi" at some point, since it's becoming the most prevalent name in RS, and it seems "Alahverdian" was another fake name. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:08, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I disagree, Alahverdian is what he's most commonly known by. It's just the recent flurry but those are likely to be amended. Alahverdian was not a fake name, it was a legal name change but due to WP:BLPPRIVACY I can not link it, nor can I link the original links for it since they've been oversighted. SANTADICAE🎅 20:10, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WAPO says In fact, authorities allege, Alahverdian, whose actual last name is Rossi and henceforth refers to him as Rossi, which is where I was getting that from. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:13, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Start an RM. Primefac (talk) 20:14, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure it's the most common name in RS atm, and ofc I could be mistaken, so it's not worth bashing it through a 7 day process yet. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 20:19, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah even for those sources using Rossi, IMO better wait & see if they keep at it. If they do we can see if it's become the common name in a few months from now or whatever. Nil Einne (talk) 23:01, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Genericusername57: It's fine with me to refer to him as Alahverdian since that's the most common name used and what most people will know him by (Example Luka Rocco Magnotta, whose birth name was Eric Newman), but I'm wondering which RS says Alahverdian is his birth name instead of Rossi? If his birth name is Rossi then the article should say that... whether we title the article Alahveridan or Rossi or refer to him one way or the other seems like a totally separate issue.EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 23:20, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Almost no RS refer to his birth name at all, the only sources that do are primary and a violation of WP:BLPPRIVACY because they are court records. His birth name is Rossi but Alahverdian is the primary name he has been known by and is his legal name. However, we wouldn't change it to his birth name just by virtue of it being that if his name he is primarily known by is something else. I know i've been away for a while, but pretty sure naming standards haven't changed, have they? SANTADICAE🎅 23:25, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Again, I'm not arguing to change the name of the article. I'm questioning this edit [1]. Genericusername57 says his birth name is Alahverdian according to the Providence Journal... where does it say that? The Washington Post article (not a Primary Source) ProcrastinatingReader linked up above says his real name is Rossi. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 23:39, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I've gone ahead and reverted that change. I don't really understand why it was made and the discussion over what to name the article is not relevant to whether we mention his (cited to RS) birth name in the infobox and lede. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 23:49, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@EnPassant and Praxidicae: I think the sequence of name changes went "Alahverdian" -> "Rossi" -> "Alahverdian". ProQuest 396785899/[2] is a birth notice under the name Alahverdian. ProQuest 397255803/[3] (1996) also calls him Alahverdian, and indicates that he had a stepfather with the surname Rossi. ProQuest 397441956/[4] (2002) calls him Rossi, and ProQuest 821304092/[5] (2010) calls him Rossi-Alahverdian. This article (2011) states that he had changed (back?) to Alahverdian. I suggest saying something like "also known as ...", to avoid the whole question of birth and legal names. Cheers, gnu57 02:35, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds fine to me. I like how it's set up currently. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 21:12, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

She stated that Alahverdian had been "beaten and forced to work without pay at gunpoint as a campaign manager in 2016 and was raped by a politician in 2002 and 2003", in addition to the abuse he had experienced in Rhode Island, under the care of DCYF, as well as the out-of-state centers in two other states

Does anyone think this should be removed? Serious claims about third parites, even unnamed ones, that originate (presumably, since the "widow" does not provably exist) from Alahverdian surely have no place here? FDW777 (talk) 13:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm unsure of Wikipedia's policies about unnamed third parties. But I think this should be removed (however, I can see how it might be a bit odd to say that "she" wrote this e-mail but not mention its contents). —AFreshStart (talk) 13:37, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I would be removing the preceding sentence at the same time. FDW777 (talk) 13:38, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that even if we accept that the "widow" is a different person, as she's obviously lied about Alahverdian being dead there's no reason why anything she says can be trusted, so why should these serious claims be included? The same applies if Alahverdian wrote it, nothing he says can be trusted either. FDW777 (talk) 13:40, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah I don't see the relevance of that part. I do think the preceding sentence (After Alahverdian faked his death in 2020, a woman who identified herself as his widow sent a five-page email to The Providence Journal. should be kept, though. ProcrastinatingReader (talk) 13:50, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since it was an email, I'd use "person" instead of "woman", though. Black Kite (talk) 15:21, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

or "someone identifying as his widow". Black Kite (talk) 15:22, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with this latter version of identification. As for the claim, the sender is clearly not a RS. A rev-del may be in order too, questionable as no one was identified.--☾Loriendrew☽ ☏(ring-ring) 17:31, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ProcrastinatingReader: - I've removed that sentence you quoted. By itself, it doesn't provide enough information regarding its importance. Also, it's covered in greater detail in the Authenticity of death questioned section. starship.paint (exalt) 08:12, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

(outdent) I have no strong feelings whether it's kept or removed, but wanted to point out that the truthfulness of the claim shouldn't matter, all we need is to properly cite that the claim was made to meet guidelines and policy. Apart from that, it's just editorial consensus as to whether it should be included. EnPassant♟♙ (talk) 18:24, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Mike Pence was not yet vice president in 2013. --←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 10:04, 26 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I was reading a new article on one of Alahveridan's accusers and found news stories about him here and here from this week. I can't find mention of the Daily Record at Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Perennial sources so I'm not sure about incorporating this information into the article. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 00:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I went searching through WP:RSN and did find two discussions, this and this. I also found other mentions of it in passing in the archives that basically said avoid it, but those weren't discussions just a one-off mention. It is apparently a tabloid, and the gist I got from those discussions is that it's not the best of sources. I think if the Daily Record is the only source reporting on it, we probably shouldn't include it. If it's not the only source, we should maybe consider using those other sources instead. Though when it says "The Sunday Mail can exclusively reveal..." it makes me think we're not going to find much else. - Aoidh (talk) 01:36, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

There's some RS now running the news story: STV News [6] and The Providence Journal [7] & [8]. IndigoBeach (talk) 12:48, 1 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Some of these articles are behind a pay wall so I couldn't read them over. But I found this one interesting. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 03:53, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Since I've reverted it I wanted to start a discussion about this edit. You'll find papers using the term "convicted American sex offender" to describe someone, for example the Telegraph, the Star, or USA Today. Books written about such topics similarly use such wording such as this book specifically about the criminal justice system written by an attorney who specializes in criminal law. I would think such a person would be too qualified to make a mistake if that were not the correct way to phrase that. Further in terms of consistency there are many, many other articles that put the word convicted before American, and that wording has even been used on the "Did you know..." section of the Main Page of Wikipedia. Even a category was renamed from Category:American convicted child molesters to Category:Convicted American child molesters because the discussion concluded that the first wording "did not read right". For these reasons I think at the very least there needs to be a discussion before it is changed. - Aoidh (talk) 01:43, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure you're correct here, Kbabe's explanation makes the most sense in American English PRAXIDICAE🌈 02:46, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The wording, as you’re suggesting it, seems very unusual to me. He’s not a “convicted American”. He’s an American who’s been convicted of something. As I understand BLPs, the nationality/citizenship is introduced, then the short description. —Kbabej (talk) 03:22, 10 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]