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::A 2004 award is [[WP:UNDUE]]. You gave 16 words to an undated old award while skipping over chefs at a half dozen Minneapolis restaurants that won James Beard awards during the past decade. I removed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minneapolis&diff=1111227731&oldid=1111227202 Andrew Zimmern] for his "aging awards" from 2010 and 2012. I removed Sue Zelickson because she won in 2005. Also, please remove the image of the 5-8 club [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&oldid=1138453522#Minneapolis because consensus is not in your favor]. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 20:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
::A 2004 award is [[WP:UNDUE]]. You gave 16 words to an undated old award while skipping over chefs at a half dozen Minneapolis restaurants that won James Beard awards during the past decade. I removed [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Minneapolis&diff=1111227731&oldid=1111227202 Andrew Zimmern] for his "aging awards" from 2010 and 2012. I removed Sue Zelickson because she won in 2005. Also, please remove the image of the 5-8 club [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view/Noticeboard&oldid=1138453522#Minneapolis because consensus is not in your favor]. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 20:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|SusanLesch}} Where is there a consensus that "this article uses 2010 as a hard cut off for most claims"? [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
:::{{ping|SusanLesch}} Where is there a consensus that "this article uses 2010 as a hard cut off for most claims"? [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)
::::Nobody edits here anymore, Magnolia. There is no "we" with whom to draw consensus. You can ask for it as many times as you like but nobody is home. Back to the matter at hand, 2004 doesn't make it in 2023 if you omit everything in between. -[[User:SusanLesch|SusanLesch]] ([[User talk:SusanLesch|talk]]) 21:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)

Revision as of 21:47, 9 February 2023

Template:Vital article

Featured articleMinneapolis is a featured article; it (or a previous version of it) has been identified as one of the best articles produced by the Wikipedia community. Even so, if you can update or improve it, please do so.
Main Page trophyThis article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page as Today's featured article on July 20, 2008.
Article milestones
DateProcessResult
March 26, 2007Good article nomineeListed
May 1, 2007Peer reviewReviewed
June 28, 2007Featured article candidatePromoted
Current status: Featured article

To do

Things that need doing. We've lost time to a sockpuppet farm but we've gained an expert copyediting pass, for which I am grateful.

  • In Minneapolis#Waterpower;_lumber_and_flour_milling. Minneapolis led the world[clarification needed] in flour milling for 50 years.checkY[1]
  • tunnel collapse at St. Anthony Falls in 1869 checkY
  • In Minneapolis#Demographics. A 2015 report found racial and ethnic minorities in the city were unequal in education, with 15 percent of Blacks and 13 percent of Hispanics holding bachelor's degrees compared with 42 percent of the White population. While the standard of living is rising with incomes among the highest in the Midwest, in 2015, the median household income among minorities was below that of Whites by over $17,000 and the poverty-rate gap between Blacks and Whites was the widest in the US.[2][failed verification] checkY
  • The section Minneapolis#Annual_events needs sources.
  • Replace source: Encyclopedia Britannica, used in the Religion and Economy sections. checkY
  • Replace Dakota dictionary.[3] checkY
  • Restore 2020 census to Demographics, following lead from User:Svenskbygderna.
  • Source and rewrite old sentence from Minneapolis#Social_tensions: "Minneapolis contended with White supremacy, participated in desegregation and engaged with the civil rights movement; in 1968, the American Indian Movement was founded in Minneapolis."checkY
  • Help with about 50 dead links. Link notes here:checkY
City Pages, the Minneapolis Public Library, Emporis are extinct now. (Today they are Racket and the Hennepin County Library and CoStar). Several dead links to them are not easily replaceable with new sources so I've left them in. Also left dead links to
  • Associated Press Minnesota pronunciation guide. AP tried hard to help us but the maintainer retired in 2020.
  • US Census source for Racial Composition in 1990 (Demographics table)
  • Jewish Community Relations Council (Demographics and Religion)
  • The city's first mosque (Religion)
  • Star Tribune article about Prince (in caption only)
  • Minnesota Business (extinct) and KSTP-TV articles about north Minneapolis (Cuisine)
  • Replace December.com with source for all radio and TV
  • Capacity of Target Field and Target Center

References

  1. ^ Anfinson, Scott F. (1990). "Archaeology of the Central Minneapolis Riverfront Part 2: Archaeological Explorations and Interpretive Potentials, Chapter 4". The Minnesota Archaeologist. 49 (1–2). Retrieved January 7, 2021.
  2. ^ Guo, Jeff (February 17, 2015). "If Minneapolis is so great, why is it so bad for African Americans?". The Washington Post. Retrieved November 20, 2020.
  3. ^ "Minneapolis–St. Paul in Dakota and Ojibwe". Decolonial Atlas. January 20, 2018. Retrieved September 13, 2022.

-SusanLesch (talk) 13:48, 26 June 2022 (UTC) restored SusanLesch (talk) 23:36, 14 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further reading

Greetings, User:Rjensen. You seem to specialize in adding further reading. I've spent nearly an hour trying to track down your most recent additions. WorldCat, the University of Minnesota Press, Google Scholar, and the Wikipedia Library can't find them by title. Care to explain where you unearthed these three books? Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 18:26, 22 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I was trying ChatGPT--much in the news these days. It was easy to use and it gave very fast answers--reasonable-looking and FAKE . My apologies. Rjensen (talk) 05:24, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That I wouldn't have guessed. What a waste of our time! Take care. -SusanLesch (talk) 12:45, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks like colleges and high schools are seriously worried about students doing term papers and take homes and Whatnot using AI. you should try it. ChatGPT is indeed very easy to use, and well written and (most of the time) ok-- but I've been learning in the last week that it's full of really bad mistakes. I will go back to using Google Scholar for bibliography. Rjensen (talk) 15:19, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Believe it or not, unpaid Wikipedia editor time has value. This bot was only caught because I checked. I'm not persuaded to try it. You really should clean up your act anywhere else you used it. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:34, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjensen: Where else on Wikipedia did you use ChatGPT? -SusanLesch (talk) 15:27, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Minneapolis was my only try. Rjensen (talk) 21:32, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Rjensen: I ask that you please follow WP:CITEVAR before adding anything more to Wikipedia's Further reading sections. I decided this was not an infraction like the first OpenAI ANI case was three days ago, but it was reckless and thoughtless of you not to check your additions for accuracy. -SusanLesch (talk) 19:55, 25 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:FARGIVEN

We have been discussing a Featured article review for this article for over two years:

Compared to earlier times, when all of WP:MINN joined forces to build the most comprehensive collection of FAs for any state, I am saddened to see that in these two years, the needed improvements to avoid a FAR have not occurred, and have been replaced by endless discussion of images (a relatively minor item compared to the necessary text additions). It is not possible for one editor, no matter how hard working, to maintain this article at FA standards in such an environment. Geography/place articles are among the hardest to maintain at FA standard, and a collegial environment is key. Perhaps this list (along with the incompleted from the older lists above) will encourage editors here to better focus their efforts.

I will be listing this article at WP:FARGIVEN, which means if the issues indicated in archives, on the To do list, and covered here are not addressed within a few weeks, any editor may submit the article to FAR. My list is not intended to be comprehensive; it outlines only that which I can spot easily and which indicate the article is not at FA standard. From this version. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:34, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nikkimaria, wondering if you want to jump in here, since this is in your specialty area? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 02:41, 28 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
The following discussion has been closed. Please do not modify it.
@SandyGeorgia: and @Nikkimaria: thank you for your patience. A personal catastrophe prevents my following through with this FAR which until now I'd assumed would be underway. I will add at the risk of WP:CRYBULLYING, my decision rests on unrelenting aggression since 2020 from Magnolia amounting to nearly zero forward motion. A Buzzards-Watch Me Work sockpuppet farm also interferes (one of these engaged Sandy for days last March). I put in a help wanted ad at WikiProject Minnesota. Unless editors step up in the next few weeks—and I think User:Magnolia677 and Buzzards could do this if they tried—we ought to surrender the star. Best wishes. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:14, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@SusanLesch: How dare you compare me to a sock. This article would still be a brochure for the Tourist Board if not for my efforts to remove the truckloads of puffery and unencylopedic content. You were relentless in taking me to dispute resolution where you nearly always had no support, and often humiliated yourself by insulting those who disagreed with you. I could go on but I don't have the time or crayons to explain it to you. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:01, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I saw no comparison of you to a sock. Please hat this off-topic personalization and take personal issues to user talk. THIS thread will be archived for eternity in articlehistory via the FARGIVEN notice once the FAR is launched, and this content does not belong on article talk. Please hat everything (including this response from me) beginning after Nikkimaria ping. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:40, 31 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Geography

Geology of Minnesota should be added to hatnotes.

Neighborhoods

Minneapolis is divided into eleven communities, each containing several neighborhoods, of which there are 83. In some cases, two or more neighborhoods act together under one organization. Some areas are known by nicknames of business associations.[1][2]}}

  • Fails verification (11 is nowhere to be found in the cited sources).
  • Nor does the source say that each community has several neighborhoods (it's possible that one community has one neighborhood?).
  • Nor is there any mention of business associations in the cited sources.

In 2018, Minneapolis City Council voted to approve the Minneapolis 2040 Comprehensive Plan, which resulted in a city-wide end to single-family zoning. Minneapolis was the first major city in the United States to make this change.[79]

  • Please read the source; this statement is a misrepresentation of the source.

Demographics

For a short period of the 1940s, Japanese and Japanese Americans resided in Minneapolis due to US-government relocations, as did Native Americans during the 1950s.

  • Uncited

however, immigration of 1,400 Somalis in 2016 slowed to 48 in 2018 under President Trump.

Generally, the flow is off ... content is bouncing around too much and needs better organization with topic sentences for paragraphs.

Religion

What makes this a reliable source for the content it is citing?

Jim Bakker and Tammy Faye met while attending Pentecostal North Central University, and began a television ministry that by the 1980s reached 13.5 million households.[127]

Demographics chart is 2014; needs update.

What is the Mount Olivet claim? (I don't see it in this section). SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:20, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
This publication stopped counting at 2012. As of 2012, Mount Olivet Lutheran Church in southwest Minneapolis was the nation's second-largest Lutheran congregation, with about 6,000 attendees.[1]
Ah, I see ... yes, sometimes a ten-year-old claim can be still valid. But with what's going on everywhere with church attendance, I don't think we should keep this very old claim in the article. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:00, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Austin, Charles M. (August 2013). "20 Largest ELCA congregations in 2012". The Lutheran. Retrieved November 22, 2015.

Economy

American companies with US offices in Minneapolis include Accenture, Bellisio Foods,[136] Canadian Pacific,

In 2011, the area's $199.6 billion gross metropolitan product and its per capita personal income ranked 13th in the US.[142]

  • Dated, why is it here still? Update or remove ?

This section is done but a question remains. I removed GDP per resident in 2015, and the ranking from 2011. I wrote to Wilder Research (who writes Minnesota Compass). They don't have GDP available for city of Minneapolis. We can use Hennepin County (almost $122 billion in 2020) or the metro area (about $296 billion in 2021). -SusanLesch (talk) 21:31, 8 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

If there is no GDP no for Minneapolis, it should be left out-- using the County would not be appropriate. Perhaps a google search will turn up a number somewhere else. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 10:21, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Removed GDP. This is the second area in which the federal government suddenly in the 2010s decided it can't measure at the city level (the volunteer rate according to AmeriCorps was the other). -SusanLesch (talk) 16:31, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Music

Minnesota Orchestra plays classical and popular music at Orchestra Hall under Thomas Søndergård, the music director effective with the 2023–2024 season;[160] One

  • Grammar, punctuation.

One 2010 special performance under predecessor Osmo Vänskä at Carnegie Hall made The New Yorker critic Alex Ross write, "... the Minnesota Orchestra sounded, to my ears, like the greatest orchestra in the world".[161]

  • Why are we still including what one critic said 13 years ago ? It as one performance, one critic, and is now dated. Irrelevant today, perhaps relevant at the Orchestra article.

Prince

  • He has his own article, reduce this to about half of what is there, and only that related to his being from Minneapolis.
A lot of this section is dated WP:TRIVIA that might find a place at Music of Minnesota with a hatnote to here.

Museums

These are history or some-such museums only (as art museums are listed above); rename? History and technology ?

Cuisine

Wirth Co-op opened in 2017 but closed within a year.

  • WP:NOTNEWS; it closed, not relevant. Rewrite to be more general.

Many Minneapolis-based individuals have won James Beard Foundation Awards;

  • WP:OR ... does a citation specifically support many? Otherwise rewrite to "Individuals who have won include ... " or some such.

Libraries

Fifteen branches of the Hennepin County Library serve Minneapolis.[212]

  • Cited to 2007.

Ten special collections hold over 25,000 books and resources for researchers, including the Minneapolis Collection and the Minneapolis Photo Collection.[214]

  • Cited to 2007.

Sports

Table:

  • Capacity, Since, and Championships in table are uncited. Do we really need this? They have their own articles.

Minnesota Wild, an National Hockey League team, play at the Xcel Energy Center;[225] and the Major League Soccer soccer team Minnesota United FC play at Allianz Field, both of which are located in Saint Paul.

  • If they play in St. Paul, why are they listed here?

Parks and recreation

The city's parks are governed and operated by the Minneapolis Park and Recreation Board, an independent park district with broader powers than any other parks agency in the US.[232]

  • Stated as a fact in Wikivoice; does this statement need in-text attribution? (According to so-and-so writing in x in year y )

On a general note, this sections is in much better shape than anything that follows it.

Government

Presidential elections

Minneapolis is currently a majority holding

  • MOS:CURRENT (since when ... add dates for context or something)

An awful lot of WP:RECENTISM there; can it be written more generally?

  • For example, A 2021 ballot question to abolish the police department failed. It failed. WP:NOTNEWS.
  • For example, the entire paragraph beginning with "The city council unanimously approved Frey's budget of $1.66 billion for 2023 ... " WP:NOTNEWS, this is an encyclopedia. Will anyone care about this para ten years from now? Rewrite to be more general and encyclopedic.

The US Justice Department[271] and the Minnesota Department of Human Rights[272] have been investigating policing practices in Minneapolis.

  • No time context provided.

Primary and secondary education

Most are very old sources, and the first sentences are completely uncited.

Colleges and universities

Minneapolis's collegiate scene is dominated by the main campus of the University of Minnesota, where more than 50,000 undergraduate, graduate, and professional students attend 20 colleges, schools, and institutes.[278]

  • Cited to Encyclopedia Britannica, 2007.

The university offers free tuition to students from Minnesota families earning less than $50,000 per year.[279]

  • Excess detail, has its own article.

The university has unusual constitutional autonomy that has existed in three US states since 1851, when the provision was included in Minnesota's constitution.[281]

  • True, but does a casual reader know what this means? Rephrase.

The large, principally online universities Capella University and Walden University are both headquartered in the city. The public four-year Metropolitan State University and the private four-year University of St. Thomas are among post-secondary institutions based elsewhere that have campuses in Minneapolis.[283]

  • 2005 source.

Media

TMC Publications publishes The Monitor, ...

  • acronym TMC stands for what? Is there a wikilink?
  • Ditto for MSP Communications

What makes this a reliable source?

her studio across Hennepin from the basilica.

  • Nice, but what basilica? (Link) And do we really need to know her location? She has her own article.

Movies filmed in Minneapolis include ...

  • This is WP:TRIVIA that can be moved to the sub-article. Movies are filmed in every city.

Transportation

Among bus lines, local Minneapolis routes are numbered 1 to 49, and higher numbers are for limited-stop, commuter, express, and routes in directional parts of the city.

  • Way too much detail; WP:NOT a guidebook.

Riders of Metro Transit system-wide are 44 percent persons of color.[310]

  • This kind of data will always require updating and needs an as of date. I suggest rewriting it more generally to avoid the constant need for updating.

Due to staffing shortages, BRT lines started just as ...

  • What year are we talking about here?

Only one quarter of the US's structurally deficient bridges had been repaired ten years later

  • Interesting fact, irrelevant to Minneapolis as written. Sounds like trying to promote/hype Minnesota.

The Minneapolis Skyway System, 9.5 miles (15.3 km) of enclosed pedestrian bridges called skyways, links 80 city blocks downtown with second-floor restaurants and retailers that are open on weekdays.[323]

  • It's not only limited to restaurants and retailers. Should include mention of government, hospitality industry, offices, etc.

Health care

The Mayo Clinic in Rochester, Minnesota, is 87 miles (140 km) from Minneapolis.[327]

  • Sourced to google maps, and has nothing to do with Minneapolis. Should be removed unless a source specifically giving its relevance to Minneapolis is provided. (That is, this is original research as now included.)

Abbott Northwestern Hospital, University of Minnesota Medical Center, Hennepin Healthcare, Minneapolis VA Medical Center, Shriners Hospitals for Children, Children's Hospitals and Clinics, University of Minnesota Masonic Children's Hospital, and Phillips Eye Institute serve the city.[326]

  • An older-than 2007 source (with an incomplete citation): is this still accurate ?
  • Have there not been a number of mergers ?

Cardiac surgery was developed at the university's Variety Club Hospital, where by 1957, more than 200 patients—many of whom were children—had survived open-heart operations. Working with surgeon C. Walton Lillehei, Medtronic began to build portable and implantable cardiac pacemakers about this time.[328]

  • Six pages is too broad of a range for verification. Attach individual page nos to the parts they verify. Why are some books listed in Works cited, using sfns for page nos, while others are not.

Level I trauma center

  • "Verified Trauma Centers". American College of Surgeons. July 3, 2012. Archived from the original on July 7, 2014. Retrieved March 30, 2007. How can you retrieve something in 2007 that was written in 2012 ?
  • How old is the source actually, and do we know this is still accurate? Updated source needed.

The Mashkiki Waakaa'igan Pharmacy on Bloomington Avenue paragraph

  • Has no as of date, and
  • Will become updated and need constant updating, and
  • Can be written without the numbers/excess detail that will require constant updating.

Utilities

"Ambassadors", who are identified by their blue-and-green-yellow fluorescent jackets, daily patrol a 120-block area of downtown to greet and assist visitors, remove trash, monitor property, and call police when they are needed. The ambassador program is a public-private partnership with a $6.6 million annual budget that is paid for by a special downtown tax district.[333]

  • It is not obvious to the casual reader why this is in Utilities.
  • If the article is to include a level of detail on annual budgets for each program, then those numbers will need to be constantly maintained and to include an "as of" date. This one is cited to 2020, so already needs checking/possible updating.
  • For accessibility and verification, please add archiveurls. For example, this source can be found at here (sample only, archivals should be added wherever else sources are not accessible or likely to go missing).
  • It seems like the Downtown Improvement District might be worthy of mention here.

The city treats and distributes water, and charges a monthly fee for trash removal.[335]

  • This is a throw-away sentence that says nothing.

Citation consistency

There is citation overkill, citation inconsistency, and generally odd citation formatting, samples only:

  • Atwater, Isaac (1893). History of the city of Minneapolis, Minnesota. Vol. 1. pp. 282–299. This is too broad of a page range for verification of a simple fact, and this citation could be converted to an sfn like the others. If books sources are listed in Works cited, they should all be listed in Works cited.
  • Use a consistent format for ISBNs in Works cited (re hyphenation).
  • WP:CITATIONOVERKILL, eg in History.
    • What an odd citation for a simple fact: "A History of Minneapolis: Mdewakanton Band of the Dakota Nation, Parts I and II". Hennepin County Library. 2001. Archived from the original on April 9, 2012. and "The US-Dakota War of 1862". Minnesota Historical Society. and "A History of Minneapolis: Minneapolis Becomes Part of the United States". Archived from the original on April 21, 2012., and "A History of Minneapolis: Governance and Infrastructure". Archived from the original on April 21, 2012. and "A History of Minneapolis: Railways". Archived from the original on April 21, 2012. Retrieved January 1, 2020 – via Internet Archive.
    • Same for the citation just above it. Pick one strong source and use it only. These are samples only.
  • Danbom, David B. (2003). "Flour power: the significance of flour milling at the falls" (PDF). Minnesota History. 58 (5–6): 270–285. JSTOR 20188363. This PDF has 15 pages and is cited five times. A 15-page range is larger than helpful for verification, and sfns would allow for better page citation (sample only).
  • Odd citation formatting. What date Star Tribune? What article title? A period before an and which continues with a separate citation? About 10,000 such covenants remained as of 2017, in: Furst, Randy (August 26, 2017). "Massive project works to uncover racist restrictions in Minneapolis housing deeds". Star Tribune. and Delegard, Kirsten; Ehrman-Solberg, Kevin (2017). "'Playground of the People'? Mapping Racial Covenants in Twentieth-century Minneapolis". Open Rivers: Rethinking the Mississippi. 6. doi:10.24926/2471190X.2820.

@SandyGeorgia: Would you please give me an example article or a reference that uses archive urls in advance of dead links? Help:Archiving a source didn't quite correspond to my experience. Thank you. -SusanLesch (talk) 00:47, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not certain what your question is ? At J. K. Rowling we used archive-urls on almost all the news sources, as so many of them go missing, and some of the paywalled news sources are actually available in archive.org. But I don't think that's what you're asking ... ??? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 03:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That answered it. Rowling is a perfect model, thank you. Nice benefit for paywalls. So the dead links remaining can stay? Most have been replaced with newer sources and most of those that went extinct were reliable sources related to history. -SusanLesch (talk) 15:28, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's ok to leave the dead (original) link. I think there is some parameter in the citation template which flags dead vs. live, but I've never bothered with that, and there is probably some bot that goes through and deals with that technicality. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:41, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
PS, maybe move this thread to the next one (citation consistency) as it is more general than the Utilities section it is in now? SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:42, 5 February 2023 (UTC) Done, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:15, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Further reading

Needs pruning. FAs are supposed to be comprehensive already, and a justification for some of those listed is needed.

External links

Converting the sister projects to a horizontal format will result in less white space.

Perhaps once all of this is addressed, then attention can focus on images. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 15:48, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SusanLesch FYI, my son and expecting wife are coming for a week-long visit, so I won't be following closely next week. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 16:33, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Have a great visit! There is plenty for me to catch up on here. -SusanLesch (talk) 16:45, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vegan butcher store

The article contains the following:

The United States' first vegan butcher shop, The Herbivorous Butcher, opened in 2016.[1]

This statement "vegan butcher shop" may be confusing to readers, since "Butcher" only discusses meat products. Meat alternative store would be more accurate. Magnolia677 (talk) 10:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ Nowakowski, Melissa (March 6, 2021). "The Herbivorous Butcher Is Opening a Vegan Fried Chicken Restaurant". VegOut. Retrieved September 23, 2021.

Magnolia677 (talk) 10:16, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Al's Breakfast

@Magnolia677: You added Al's Breakfast today saying it won a James Beard award. True, however that happened in 2004. As discussed above in the Religion section, this article uses 2010 as a hard cut off for most claims. For example, this morning I removed a solid claim from 2012 that came close to that dateline. Al's doesn't belong here and I removed it. -SusanLesch (talk) 17:56, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@SusanLesch: Where is there a consensus that "this article uses 2010 as a hard cut off for most claims"? The history section goes back hundreds of years. Magnolia677 (talk) 18:34, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A 2004 award is WP:UNDUE. You gave 16 words to an undated old award while skipping over chefs at a half dozen Minneapolis restaurants that won James Beard awards during the past decade. I removed Andrew Zimmern for his "aging awards" from 2010 and 2012. I removed Sue Zelickson because she won in 2005. Also, please remove the image of the 5-8 club because consensus is not in your favor. -SusanLesch (talk) 20:32, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@SusanLesch: Where is there a consensus that "this article uses 2010 as a hard cut off for most claims"? Magnolia677 (talk) 21:18, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody edits here anymore, Magnolia. There is no "we" with whom to draw consensus. You can ask for it as many times as you like but nobody is home. Back to the matter at hand, 2004 doesn't make it in 2023 if you omit everything in between. -SusanLesch (talk) 21:46, 9 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Minneapolis&diff=prev&oldid=1138471733

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