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Delibzr, Apparently we have been both warned, in that case it is better to first discuss what you consider the issue is with the article and why it needs to be changed. Personally I do not see how your revision makes any sense as it does not take into consideration the majority of the references. If you have an issue with a single reference or a few references, it doesn't mean that you have to delete the majority of the article. Can you therefore explain why you decided to delete the vast majority of the article? Xtremedood (talk) 17:11, 9 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Just a note in relation to living people: it is not enough just to have a source showing that they were Muslim and are now Hindu. The source needs to show them self-identifying their change of faith. This is in line with how we deal with things under WP:BLPCAT. - Sitush (talk) 09:32, 10 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Sitush already told, and xtremedood you are still edit warring and violating BLP. Delibzr (talk) 03:54, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

In general, please discuss contentious issues on the talk page in detail, so that other people can join in and contribute. If you start with a big edit war, people will be put off and they won't bother. Cheers, Kautilya3 (talk) 12:21, 12 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delibrz, you are not justifying your edits. How am I violating BLP? Stay on topic. Xtremedood (talk) 08:14, 19 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

By putting up unreliable rumors about living people, you are violating BLP. Delibzr (talk) 08:56, 25 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I already have removed what was brought up. What is a rumour? Do you have a source to verify it? You once again deleted my sourced edit. Where in this list [1] is there a BLP violation? Xtremedood (talk) 03:47, 27 May 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I believe following persons should be removed from the list.

"Karima Begum" - non notable mother of AR Rahman.
"Jayabaya" - Never converted, false entry.
"Monica (actress)" - Former Christian.
"Mamta Kulkarni" - Rumored to have married and converted, herself denied doing so.
"Malik Maqbul" - Repeated two times.
"Rekha Maruthiraj" - same as "Monica (actress)
"Wajih-ul-Mulk" - Non notable muzaffarid
"Saroj Khan" - Not a former Hindu.
Rahul^{Text me} 16:36, 20 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think it may be fair to remove Karima Begum, due to notability issues, it should however be noted that she does have significant amount of stories about her (i.e. [2]). Perhaps a page should be made about her, but for the time being it may be fine to remove her. Jayabaya however is reported to have converted, according to the source. However due to the nature of the content I can say that it may be worth removing it as we may need a more solid source for the time being. As for Monica, it seems uncertain what her previous religion was from the source indicated. According to her wikipedia page "Monika’s father is Hindu and the mother is a Christian." As for Mamta Kulkarni, you need a source stating that, as the current sources are clear. As for Wajih-ul-Mulk, he seems notable enough. Saroj Khan herself says she was a former Hindu, see the source. Xtremedood (talk) 12:20, 30 June 2015 (UTC)[reply]

IP editor removed non-notable and dubious entries as described above by Rahuloof, but he also changed POV language a bit. Saroj Khan's name wasn't mentioned above, and I won't believe youtube to be reliable when video is not even hosted on a official channel. D4iNa4 (talk) 12:48, 12 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Youtube videos may be used as legitimate sources, see here [3]. The publisher is Geo TV, which is well-known. Therefore Saroj Khan should stay. I have not read a wikipedia policy which requires a video be uploaded from the official channel (I'm not sure if Geo TV even has an official channel). The video itself is clearly published by Geo TV, which makes it good. Xtremedood (talk) 04:57, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Self admission and official source is what required most. None of your sources meet that criteria. Bring any self-admission rather than just some report of a rumor. Your video should be really acknowledged by the official website. Your youtube link contains a stolen video, see WP:LINKVIO. D4iNa4 (talk) 16:56, 29 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I think you should get some more insight into what is allowed and not allowed by Wikipedia. As per Wikipedia's requirements, it does indeed meet the requirement for Saroj Khan. Look at the video, it is as clear as day and not a rumor. Also, for Wajih ul Mulk and Mamta Kulkarni, the sources are not videos and are verified. Xtremedood (talk) 10:56, 3 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

A copyrights violating video hosted on unknown channel is not a source just like other unreliable sources that had followed rumors. You have also ignored the edit summaries of @TheRedPenOfDoom:, who has removed a bunch of other unreliable entries. Don't misrepresent the consensus. D4iNa4 (talk) 15:13, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Claims about living people, particularly claims about religious identification, require the highest level of sourcing AND per WP:BLPCAT require that sourcing to include the subjects self identification of religious affiliation: in this page it will require two identifications "I was X. I am now Y". While under rare circumstances, youtub videos may constitute reliable sources, illegally hosted pirate copies of copyright material do not qualify. You do not have anything close to consensus or policy compliant content/sourcing for introducing your edits.-- TRPoD aka The Red Pen of Doom 18:37, 5 November 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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May 2017

Please stop adding unreferenced or poorly referenced biographical content, especially if controversial, to articles or any other Wikipedia page, as you did at List of converts to Islam from Hinduism. Content of this nature could be regarded as defamatory and is in violation of Wikipedia policy. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing Wikipedia. Your disruptive edits on this article are being made in violation of WP:BLPCAT. Unless these people have stated the conversion, don't add them. Capitals00 (talk) 00:27, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

What are poor references there? All sources are from independent reliable sources. --Drivarum (talk) 04:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

None of the sources say that Hema Malini, AR Rahman converted to Islam from Hinduism, since they are WP:BLP they require self-verification. And your sources about Kamal Dasgupta are not saying that he converted from Hinduism. Misrepresenting sources to make "sourced content" is not justification. Capitals00 (talk) 05:06, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Are you kidding? Tell me which sources are not saying that they didn't convert from Hinduism? AR Rahman clearly stated here[4] about his conversion. Also in the book A.R. Rahman: The Spirit of Music By Nasreen Munni Kabir. For Hema Mailini, there are several sources citing his religious conversion which is very notable. These are the sources[5] published by India TV news, [6] by the New Indian Express, [7] Helen: The Life and Times of an H-bomb By Jerry Pinto, [8] by DNA India etc. Regarding Kamal Dasgupta, have you even read the cited sources? The sources clearly states his conversion. Drivarum (talk) 05:59, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

"Yes, absolutely. My mother was a practising Hindu. She had always been spiritually inclined. We had Hindu religious images on the walls of the Habibullah Road house where we grew up. There was also an image of Mother Mary holding Jesus in Her arms and a photograph of the sacred sites of Mecca and Medina." Your source on Rehman. Since he doesn't mention he converted from Hinduism and you are misrepresenting them, I urge you to stop violating BLP and cease edit warring, next edit may lead to a block. D4iNa4 (talk) 06:13, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Did you miss What I understood by His words was that it is better to choose one path. The Sufi path spiritually lifted both my mother and me, and we felt it was the best path for us, so we embraced Sufi Islam ? Drivarum (talk) 06:17, 17 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]