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For the editors who are interested, there are notes and links on my personal TALK page:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Charles_Edwin_Shipp#LDS_October_Conference.2C_world_broadcast.2C_October_3-4.2C_2015_.28Sat.2FSun.2C_10am.2F2pm_MT.29

My favorate link is to "notable quotes" with artful pictures from the Provo, Utah, newspaper:

http://www.heraldextra.com/news/local/lds/key-quotes-from-the-october-lds-general-conference/collection_c6948ad6-7d00-51f8-9c2d-74fe7950c578.html#0

The message of the newly called, set apart, and sustained Apostles of the Quorum of the Twelve was to serve the individual and the needy throughout the world. Enjoy; see what you think. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:41, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I've added links and information and my NOTES are ready for your review (and use in any WP Article editing.) -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 02:18, 5 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

FYI, at the bottom of my personal TALK page, I have notes on the 2016 "Spring general conference"[1] and the stats are already in this article.[2] -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:44, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, with all due respect, I feel like the line "The LDS church, or informally, The Mormon Church" should have the latter part removed, becoming ("The LDS Church"). The official title of the church is the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, or the LDS church for short, but "Mormon" is a title used when referring informally to members of the church, not the church in question. The church is named after Jesus Christ, not after Mormon, and so it should be referred to as the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, not the Mormon church. Thanks!!

205.118.81.24 (talk) 01:45, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

While it may not be the preferred informal term by the church, the term is nonetheless used by the general public. The average person who says Mormons is referring to the church and not to the members collectively. —C.Fred (talk) 02:07, 5 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I would respectfully disagree. (1) When people say 'Mormons' they (and we) are talking about the members. (2) Secondly, it doesn't really matter and the way the article reads now, as referring also to the church, That's OK. Watch for how the word is used elsewhere in the article here. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk)

Looking at the article, I can see the value in what reader 205.118.81.24 says. But if you do a find (using ctrl-F) in the article, there are 160 occurances of 'Mormon' mostly for 'Book of Mormon' but also the explanation of how 'Mormon Church' has changed now. Also you will find the WP article, Mormon_(word) where there are another 110 occurances of 'Mormon'. If a person feels strongly (and inspired) they should obtain a WP id/pw and see how this article can be improved--not an easy task, although some simple and direct changes could be made. Yes, you could do some simple changes. -- Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 04:10, 13 April 2016 (UTC)[reply]

The LDS differs from mainstream Christianity in a number of ways. Perhaps the most fundamental is that it is non-Trinitarian (and technically not even monotheistic, believing that God, Jesus Christ and the Holy Spirit are three separate Gods). This doctrinal difference is critical, and I would have thought that it would have been mentioned in the article. At the moment there are only the vague references to mainstream Churches not accepting that the LDS are Christians.Royalcourtier (talk) 23:47, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Like -- Do a 'FIND' in the article (ctrl-F) on the term 'separate' and you will see five occurances. The first address your excellent point: "From the perspective of Christians who agree with creeds, the most significant area of departure is the rejection by the LDS Church of certain parts of ecumenical creeds such as the Nicene Creed, which defines the predominant view of the Christian God as a Trinity of three separate persons in "one essence". LDS Church theology includes the belief in a "Godhead" composed of God the Father, his Son Jesus Christ, and the Holy Ghost as three separate Persons who share a unity of purpose or will; however, they are viewed as three distinct Beings making one Godhead." And the last ref. is an abbreviated version saying the same thing. Hope This Helps, Charles Edwin Shipp (talk) 23:54, 22 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Having been reverted by ChristensenMJ, I'm bringing the discussion to the talk page in line with WP:BRD. WP:TEXTASIMAGES clearly states, "Textual information should almost always be entered as text rather than as an image." To do otherwise needlessly hampers accessibility. And it is certainly not abnormal for to use the name field in an infobox when a logo contained therein includes the name – see, e.g, nearly every article about an organization whose logo includes their name and whose article uses {{Infobox organization}} (or {{Infobox company}}, {{Infobox political party}}, {{Infobox publisher}}, etc.).

As well, I'm wondering whether ChristensenMJ intended to undo the other changes made or if he or she simply blanketly reverted everything. The other changes were, namely, the removal of a non-bidirectional sidebar and the removal of the image size from the infobox. Cheers, Graham (talk) 17:24, 5 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

As noted in my edit summary, and recognizing the guidelines of what may be well suited in other circumstances, it seems the inclusion of the church's name creates a unnecessary redundancy within the infobox. I understand other circumstances of an organization or business where there is an associated logo that may/may not always directly show the name. That circumstances are likely well suited for the duplication and the text image guidelines noted above. They are guidelines and even though it notes "should almost always be" doesn't provide a mandate that it be so. As to the other points asked about above, yes, I did revert the entire good faith edit - I don't know what impact the image size has on the article/infobox, but I did recognize that box about this article being part of a series on Christianity was removed and didn't feel it needed to be. ChristensenMJ (talk) 17:11, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

How do you reconcile the inclusion of the sidebar with WP:BIDIRECTIONAL?

I understand other circumstances of an organization or business where there is an associated logo that may/may not always directly show the name.

While 'other stuff exists', I'd be curious to know to which articles you're referring, and just how common that is. Graham (talk) 21:47, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have to say that I side with ChristensenMJ here. His reasons for reverting are sound, while the arguments against the revision are very weak. At least, that's my two cents, for what it's worth. --Jgstokes (talk) 23:52, 9 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I've just taken a look at this, and I feel that the infobox should have the name of the Church in text in addition to the image logo. This is de rigueur for most infoboxes. The redundancy created is trivial at best, and is well outweighed by the benefit for the various non-image reader scenarios.  White Whirlwind  咨  04:15, 12 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. I could go either way, but on balance, I think we should use the name in the infobox as well as the image logo. It's better to just apply the standard rather than getting into debates over whether the logo is "clear enough" to allow for the text in the infobox to be deleted. There's a good reason to include the text in this case, since the font size in the logo is different for different parts of the name. It's clearly a logo, not Wikipedia text, so the duplication does not look funny to me. Good Ol’factory ^(talk) 04:16, 15 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]

New User:Truth-in religion has repeatedly tried to insert content that is incomplete, poorly written, and in the wrong place. This has been discussed by multiple other editors on the user's talk page. I invite User:Truth-in religion to discuss their edit here on the talk page. Bahooka (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2016 (UTC)[reply]