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*'''Comment''' Could the <nowiki>{{under construction}}</nowiki> hatnote not be utilised for these new ones? Or have I been misusing that when I have stuck it on for a few days til I find time to finish it? [[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] ([[User talk:Crowsus|talk]]) 17:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' Could the <nowiki>{{under construction}}</nowiki> hatnote not be utilised for these new ones? Or have I been misusing that when I have stuck it on for a few days til I find time to finish it? [[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] ([[User talk:Crowsus|talk]]) 17:14, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
::That's seems like a good idea! - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 18:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
::That's seems like a good idea! - [[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]] ([[User talk:RevelationDirect|talk]]) 18:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)
::@[[User:Crowsus|Crowsus]] & @[[User:RevelationDirect|RevelationDirect]]: {{tl|under construction}} is for articles. Its use on these categories would be highly misleading, because the category pages are complete.
::The issue here is that the categories are not yet anywhere near fully populated. For that we used to have {{tl|Underpopulated category}} (mostly known as {{tl|popcat}}), but it as deleted per [[WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 January 4#Template:Underpopulated_category]].
::The problem here is is simply that this a malicious nomination by a nominator wo has wholly disregarded the actual wording of [[WP:SMALLCAT]], ignoring bot the "no potential for growth" headline ''and'' the "existing series" clause. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 20:30, 28 June 2023 (UTC)


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Category:Ed Block Courage Award recipients

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:NONDEF. This award is given to 32 NFL players a year. User:Namiba 23:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:SVG templates

The following is an archived discussion concerning one or more categories. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on an appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the discussion was: speedy delete. CSD G7 Liz Read! Talk! 03:06, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: This category has no use as inline SVG is not supported today. The two templates that appeared here were TFDd (and userfied) accordingly. Suggest deletion without prejudice to some (likely very far-off) future where inline SVG is supported. Izno (talk) 22:51, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The above is preserved as an archive of the discussion. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the category's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this section.

Category:Fictional heart attacks

Nominator's rationale: Having once had a heart attack is not a defining characteristic of any of the fictional characters in this category. This category just serves as an arbitrary list of characters who had heart attacks at one point in their fictional lives, which is not a notable event. Di (they-them) (talk) 04:18, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • It is occasionally defining (e.g. Homer's Triple Bypass) but not very often. If the category is deleted we might move that article to Category:Fiction about diseases and disorders. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong keep and rename – A lot of the characters on the list (e.g. Roy Evans, Frank Tate (Emmerdale), Bill Webster, Jim Robinson and Derek Branning have died because of the heart attacks and the heart attacks are important attributes to the character especially due leading to the characters' exits. For other character it also essential - for Cleo McQueen, the heart attack was part of the bulimia storyline and is sourced in the development. For Mr. Big (Sex and the City), this is sourced in 2 sections as not only did the character die because of a heart attack, but the storyline made sales of peloton bikes go down due to audiences worrying about getting heart attacks themselves from using them, thus illustrating the real life impact of the heart attack in the show. Additionally, heart attacks are a notable event. Not everyone has heart attacks and it not like a character breaking their arm or having the flu - generally, heart attacks are big deal both in real life and in fiction it is often a big deal for storylines and sometimes even exits. It would be non-sensical to not include but to still include categories such as "Fictional cancer survivors" as they are both health conditions that affected the characters and (more importantly for wikipedia) their storylines. It groups characters that have experienced it together and allows readers to learn about heart attacks in fiction. I am happy to go through each article and expand more about the heart attacks and their impacts with sources over the next coming weeks too to help the project, but I think deleting would be a big mistake. DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete The ones I clicked on were all soap opera characters that had a passing reference to a heart attack buried way in the text. (Alternatively, if kept, we should rename the category since it is about characters who had heart attacks, not about the heart attacks themselves.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:24, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am not against renaming this to "Fictional characters who have had heart attacks" or something along those lines.DaniloDaysOfOurLives (talk) 06:48, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep and rename this is a notable attribute for many characters. It changes characterisation and with the above real-world impacts that DaniloDaysOfOurLives mentioned above, I believe this is a defining event for characters. However, it could do with a rename to "Fictional characters who have had heart attacks" as suggested above. – Meena • 18:56, 22 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 20:41, 6 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Meena • 17:25, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Can we get some comments and a close this time?
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, – Meena • 21:27, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Wheeling–Steubenville market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Move entries to respective state categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Charleston–Huntington market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:47, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. With regard to Huntington–Charleston, virtually all stations based in Huntington or Charleston are available in both, so they constitute a distinct region usually known by this hyphenated phrase. Both cities are of comparable size, and they're located about fifty miles apart, in a state where all other cities of comparable size (and all others happen to be smaller—the state's two largest cities are relatively close together) are much further away.
As for "West Virginia" being a distinct media market, Huntington–Charleston television stations also extend beyond West Virginia into the Ashland, Kentucky–Ironton, Ohio area, and as far west as Portsmouth, Ohio. But nobody in this area has access to stations in the Wheeling–Steubenville market (which also crosses state lines), or to stations from Beckley, Bluefield, or the eastern panhandle. West Virginia may seem like a small region that can be treated as a unified whole, but in fact most media markets in West Virginia are distinct and localized, usually overlapping with areas of neighboring states, but not with other areas of West Virginia. P Aculeius (talk) 15:02, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There will be all sorts of things that Charleston and Huntington have more in common with each other than with other cities in the same state, that is simply a consequence of drawing arbitrary state borders. It is not meaningful however to have a different geographical category tree for television stations than for any other topic. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Except that in this instance, there is no distinction between Huntington and Charleston stations—they're identical, and share nothing in common with anywhere else in the state. It's a distinct market that crosses state boundaries—locally known as the "tri-state area" (and I know there are several of these in the U.S.). It makes sense to have a category for these stations that doesn't include those elsewhere; it's not a huge category, but many, many categories are considerably smaller, and it plainly has usefulness for readers. If categories in other states are oversized, maybe they would benefit from subcategorization as well. It makes sense to have categories for New York City that don't include Buffalo just because they're in the same state; I don't know why that wouldn't be desirable for television stations. P Aculeius (talk) 22:19, 27 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Johnstown–Altoona market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:43, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in Burlington, Vermont

Nominator's rationale: Stations serve most of the state. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in Scranton, Pennsylvania

Nominator's rationale: More broadly defined; stations in multiple cities Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:22, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in Harrisburg, Pennsylvania

Nominator's rationale: More broadly defined; stations in multiple cities Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Mobile–Pensacola market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Move entries to respective state categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:12, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Monroe–El Dorado market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Move entries to respective state categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the La Crosse–Eau Claire market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:06, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in Traverse City, Michigan

Nominator's rationale: More broadly defined; stations in multiple cities Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:04, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in Grand Rapids, Michigan

Nominator's rationale: More broadly defined; stations in multiple cities Mvcg66b3r (talk) 19:01, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Tri-Cities (Tennessee/Virginia)

Nominator's rationale: Consistency with main article's name Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Greenville–Spartanburg–Asheville market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Move entries to respective state categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:28, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Florence–Myrtle Beach market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Television stations in the Paducah–Cape Girardeau–Harrisburg market

Nominator's rationale: Doesn't make sense to group in a hyphenated market. Move entries to respective state categories. Mvcg66b3r (talk) 18:23, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People by occupation in Northern Ireland

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members. Diffusing by place makes sense, by occupation not so much. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:11, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Ireland has been notified of this discussion.
  • Oppose. Newly-created category, mostly with plenty of scope for expansion. This is another vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination by LL, who is stalking my contribs and has clearly not done any WP:BEFORE.
    This is NOT diffusion by place; it is diffusion by nationality, which is an establsihed series. --BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that most of these categories are for sub-disciplines. But because this is a rushed, vindictive, disruptive bad-faith nomination, LL had not even taken the time to designate the parent category as the merge targets. That is pretty good evidence that LL also didn't scrutinise the parent categories to test the scope for diffusion. --16:30, 25 June 2023 (UTC)
  • Note 1 by her own admission, BHG has spent the past 6 weeks making many micro-by-county-by occupation categories. As an editor in Irish space, they have been flashing up on my Watchlist with annoying frequency. Not much stalking needed. No need for Sherlock Holmes either. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  1. whether they have "no possibility for growth"
  2. whether they are part of an established series.
I don not believe that you ae acting in good faith and I do not believe that you have done this work. But if you have done the work, it set it out for editors to read. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 16:38, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I believe that I clarified the it was the "logged proof" that I was declining. You may assume, in Good Faith, that the rest was of course carried out. Laurel Lodged (talk) 16:53, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
LL, you have provided no explanation of why, for example, you believe that Category:Women mathematicians from Northern Ireland‎ fits the WP:SMALLCAT criteria of:
  1. "no possibility for growth"
  2. not pat of aa established series
Note that Category:Women mathematicians by nationality (37) has 35 subcats. Why do yo believe that is not an established series? BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:05, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reply Thanks @Oculi:, that's a sensible suggestion. Looks my Before was not as comprehensive as it might have been. Noms amended per suggestion. Laurel Lodged (talk) 17:09, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    LL< there was clearly absolutely NO WP:BEFORE. A second's scrutiny of each category would have shown you that had not selected appropriate merge targets.
    The fact that you were ot even aware of the parent categories is pretty conclusive evidence that you had not checked for any further diffusion. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 17:14, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
That's seems like a good idea! - RevelationDirect (talk) 18:17, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Crowsus & @RevelationDirect: {{under construction}} is for articles. Its use on these categories would be highly misleading, because the category pages are complete.
The issue here is that the categories are not yet anywhere near fully populated. For that we used to have {{Underpopulated category}} (mostly known as {{popcat}}), but it as deleted per WP:Templates for discussion/Log/2019 January 4#Template:Underpopulated_category.
The problem here is is simply that this a malicious nomination by a nominator wo has wholly disregarded the actual wording of WP:SMALLCAT, ignoring bot the "no potential for growth" headline and the "existing series" clause. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 20:30, 28 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:In-Grid

Nominator's rationale: With only articles on albums and songs, already in appropriate subcategories and interlinked, this is overcategorization per WP:OCEPON. StarcheerspeaksnewslostwarsTalk to me 15:56, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 15:49, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:16th century assassinated French politicians

Nominator's rationale: There are only 30 people in all in Category:Assassinated French politicians and splitting by century is not justified. I again urge User:Thinker78 to reflect before creating more categories: Category:1930s assassinated French politicians is lacking an important parent, viz Category:1930s assassinated politicians. Also Category:20th-century French politicians is hyphenated so I expect Category:20th century assassinated French politicians should also be. (I will leave the more complicated Category:20th century assassinated French politicians for another nom.) Oculi (talk) 13:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish American philanthropists

Nominator's rationale: American philanthropists aren't divided by any other religion or ethnic group. Dream Focus 13:20, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Jewish philanthropists

Nominator's rationale: We don't have categories for philanthropist for any other religion or ethnic group, only by nation and sometimes region. Dream Focus 13:17, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1970s assassinated South American politicians

Nominator's rationale: Category:1970s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before any splitting occurs; there is no pressing need to subcategorise a category with only 35 members. In any case, people are not directly categorised as 'South American': Category:South American people is a container category. Oculi (talk) 12:25, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1930s assassinated Costa Rican politicians

Nominator's rationale: 1 article; and Category:1930s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before any splitting occurs. Oculi (talk) 12:18, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:1960s assassinated African politicians

Nominator's rationale: 1 member; and Category:1960s assassinated politicians (0) should be fully populated before being split. Oculi (talk) 12:13, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ukrainian historical regions outside of Ukraine

Nominator's rationale: Regions that were never part of Ukraine and simply includes any territories that had Ukrainian settlers. Also WP:NONDEF. Mellk (talk) 08:24, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gujjar places

Nominator's rationale: Everyone names places, there's no defining characteristics for it — DaxServer (t · m · e · c) 07:31, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@DaxServer
@Marcocapelle Hello, dear listeners! I do appreciate @DaxServer's contributions and his concern about this Category:Gujjar places being deleted. I have created this category, and this category mostly contains the pages where it is written that this place was named after the Gurjar or Gujjar ethnicity. So this category should not be deleted because it does not meet the criteria for deletion. It may be redirected to another destination with a similar name if possible instead of deletions because this category is important to define the many places that are named after Gurjar,Gurjara, Gujar, or Gujjar ethnic groups. If this category doesn't have any citations, maybe that's why @DaxServer put it on deletions so I can provide some sources on the category page for its verification. If anyone has any other suggestions or processes to oppose the deletion request, I would like to try my luck. أسامة بن عبد الله وليد (talk) 18:33, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nobility of the Americas

Nominator's rationale: split per precedent, e.g. Wikipedia:Categories_for_discussion/Log/2023_May_27#Category:Royal_families_of_the_Americas. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:34, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People born during Tang

Nominator's rationale: merge, ruling dynasty during one's birth is not a defining characteristic of a person. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:26, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prix des romancières recipients

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:DNWAUC, WP:OCAWARD, and WP:NONDEFINING
There's not much here. There's no Prix des romancières main article (and no Novelist Award) but, based on the parent cat, it's from France. There are only two biography articles both of which list this award among other honours so it's not treated as defining. (I copied all the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants find reliable source and create a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Voltaire Lectures

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:PERFCAT, WP:SMALLCAT, & WP:DNWAUC
There's not much here: there's no main article but a redirect that points to Humanists UK#Lecture series. Once you follow that link, it only has one sentence listing the many lectures that organisation hosts. Bonya Ahmed gave a lecture one year, which her article mentions in passing, but that's WP:PERFCAT. The only other article is a book based on this lecture which is defining but that leaves us with a 1 article category, which is a WP:SMALLCAT. (I copied all the current category contents right here so no work is lost if anyone wants find reliable source and create a list article.) - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:07, 25 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1162388733

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