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::::*:Please stop abusing CFD as a platform to publish untruths as part of your taunting games. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 13:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
::::*:Please stop abusing CFD as a platform to publish untruths as part of your taunting games. [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 13:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
::::*::Note that as a demonstration of LL's bad faith, LL made no response to the expansion of the categories, or to my comments about how [[WP:SMALLCAT]] supports keeping these categories. Instead, they just posted snark.
::::*::Note that as a demonstration of LL's bad faith, LL made no response to the expansion of the categories, or to my comments about how [[WP:SMALLCAT]] supports keeping these categories. Instead, they just posted snark.
::::*::A goo faith editor would at this stage withdraw the nomination, an apologise both the failure to read WP:SMALLCAT and for their lack of [[WP:BEFORE]], [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
::::*::A good faith editor would at this stage withdraw the nomination, and apologise both the failure to read WP:SMALLCAT and for their lack of [[WP:BEFORE]], [[User:BrownHairedGirl|<span style="font-variant:small-caps"><span style="color:#663200;">Brown</span>HairedGirl</span>]] <small>[[User talk:BrownHairedGirl|(talk)]] • ([[Special:Contributions/BrownHairedGirl|contribs]])</small> 14:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)


* If merged, also merge to a "people from county" category. It escapes me what the encyclopedic value of grouping police officers (or any other occupation) by place of birth is. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)
* If merged, also merge to a "people from county" category. It escapes me what the encyclopedic value of grouping police officers (or any other occupation) by place of birth is. [[User:Marcocapelle|Marcocapelle]] ([[User talk:Marcocapelle|talk]]) 12:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)

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NEW NOMINATIONS

Category:Lords of Worb

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

People educated by school in GB

Nom School page count
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Arran High School Arran High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Auchmuty High School Auchmuty High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Biggar High School Biggar High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Calderside Academy Calderside Academy 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Central Foundation Girls' School Central Foundation Girls' School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Chilton Cantelo School Chilton Cantelo School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Chryston High School Chryston High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Devizes School Devizes School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Fernhill School, Rutherglen Fernhill School, Rutherglen 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Girvan Academy Girvan Academy 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Hillpark Secondary School Hillpark Secondary School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Kyle Academy Kyle Academy 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Mulberry School for Girls Mulberry School for Girls 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Seven Kings High School Seven Kings High School 0
Populate or delete Category:People educated at Spalding High School, Lincolnshire Spalding High School, Lincolnshire 0
Rationale: all of the above categories have 1 article at the time of listing. Previous cfds (often nominated by user:Bearcat) have deleted high school alumni categories on WP:SMALLCAT grounds, such as this. In contrast this more recent one has stimulated editors to populate most of them, an excellent outcome. A search such as this for Fernhill might find potential additions. When adding an article for an alumnus, the school should be mentioned in the article, preferably sourced. In some cases the school article, linked in the table above, will have a list of illustrious alumni. (The nominator has no obligation to make any attempt to populate any categories created by others. That responsibility lies entirely with the creator of a category, whose first edits post-creation should be to find members, and delete the wretched thing if no more can be found.) Oculi (talk) 12:39, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete if not populated, per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:41, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm not even going to read this. I'm supporting because I just love the table. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:34, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Irish police officers by county

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SmallCat since each of these has less than 4 members. Some are possibly mis-labelled. For example there is only one member each for counties Laois and Offaly: each member died before the creation of the current state so they would not have known their counties by those names; they would have used "Queens's County" and "King's County" respectively. Similarly, the occupants of the Tipperary category were born before the current anschluss; the county names in those days were North Tipperary and South Tipperary. The scope of the remaining categories would also benefit from a note to say that the scope is for people who were born in those counties; like John Cullen (police officer), they may not have served their police careers in their county of birth. Laurel Lodged (talk) 11:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Note: WikiProject Ireland has been notified of this discussion.
  • Keep per WP:SMALLCAT, as part of an established series which is still being populated.
The objection on the basis of the names of the counties is beyond absurd. These categories have no timeframe, and we always name categories by the most recent name. f we were to purge Laos an Offaly categories of articles from before 1922, we'd devastate the categories.
As to North Tipperary and South Tipperary, that is nonsense. All the categories for North Tipperary and South Tipperary were merged to County Tipperary. There is reason to make police an eception. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 12:04, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The only rationale offered is WP:SmallCat. The other obiter dicta is offered as a curious by-the-way. Regarding "we always name categories by the most recent name", why was that not applied in the case of Walter Edgeworth-Johnstone who was born, not in County Dublin (which is currently abolished as you know), but in the county of Dún Laoghaire–Rathdown? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:15, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Laurel Lodged: Go READ WP:SMALLCAT. You don't even need to read the whole paragraph: Its headline is Small with no no potential for growth.
    Do you understand what no potential for growth means?
    You clearly did not do any WP:BEFORE. In the last hour, I added 100 articles to the 31 subcats of Category:Irish police officers by county. If you had made any attempt to examine the possibility of expansion, you would have bee, aware that these categories have potential for growth.
    Category:Irish police officers by county has 31 subcats (30 counties + the city of Belfast). Between them they now contain 278 articles, which is an average of 8.96 articles per category. That is a healthy size, and there is till room for growth.
    Of course, the distribution is not even, but WP:SMALLCAT has always allowed small categories as part of a series, which this is.
    The whole nomination is at best a act of unintended disruption caused by a failure to do WP:BEFORE. However, I find it very hard to believe that after all your years at CFD you are not aware that WP:SMALLCAT is for categories with "no potential for growth", or that it does not apply to established series.
    Please end the disruption by promptly withdrawing this nomination. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:27, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks I would like to offer my thanks to BHG for acknowledging that it was "unintended disruption". It's nice when she assumes that I work in Good Faith. Oh wait...did I just admit to being disruptive. Darn. Sigh. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:32, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I assume good faith until the assumption becomes untenable, as it has here.
    But of course it is wholly untrue to say that I was acknowledging that it was "unintended disruption". I said that it is "at best a act of unintended disruption".
    Please stop abusing CFD as a platform to publish untruths as part of your taunting games. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    Note that as a demonstration of LL's bad faith, LL made no response to the expansion of the categories, or to my comments about how WP:SMALLCAT supports keeping these categories. Instead, they just posted snark.
    A good faith editor would at this stage withdraw the nomination, and apologise both the failure to read WP:SMALLCAT and for their lack of WP:BEFORE, BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:05, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • If merged, also merge to a "people from county" category. It escapes me what the encyclopedic value of grouping police officers (or any other occupation) by place of birth is. Marcocapelle (talk) 12:59, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thanks Marco. Good suggestion. I've amended the noms accordingly. Laurel Lodged (talk) 13:29, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Marcocapelle: I agree about the by-county targets, However, any merging should bed one manually, because many of these articles are already in subcats of Category:Irish police officers or in subcats of the relevant "people from county Foo".
Tho of course per WP:SMALLCAT, no merge should happen.
As to occupation by place, the Irish categories for "people from County Foo" were unusably big until I started diffusing them 6 weeks ago. Category:People from County Galway had over 900 articles, and Category:People from County Cork had over 800. They were a jumble of wildly different articles, from medieval scribes to Youtubers to Jacobite soldiers to 6th century Abbots.
I am diffusing them by place and also by occupation ideally both, but rarely by the intersection of town/village and occupation. This diffusion creates more coherent groups of more manageable size which make it easier to find articles. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 13:45, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Diffusing by place makes sense, by occupation not so much. If they are diffused solely because they are too big then one diffusion criterion should suffice. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:44, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    That's not the only reason. BrownHairedGirl (talk) • (contribs) 14:51, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:History of political thought journals

Nominator's rationale: Per WP:SMALLCAT. This category has only 1 entry. Estopedist1 (talk) 10:52, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Irish astrophysicists

Nominator's rationale: 1 article (10:43, 24 June 2023). An editor who creates a category has a duty to populate it if possible before moving on to other matters. A category consisting of one article is useless and gives the impression in this case that the Irish are not gifted Astrophysicists. I could populate the category quite easily (eg this elementary google search) but would rather spend my time trying to encourage editors to complete their self-allotted tasks properly. Note also that Astrophysicists are not explicitly gathered together by continent; a sad omission which someone contributing to this category tree might care to address. Oculi (talk) 10:43, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Imperial Chinese government officials by province

Nominator's rationale: merge per WP:OCLOCATION, trivial intersection between occupation and province where people grew up. A second merge target is not needed because articles are already categorized by city or county within every province. If these categories are not merged, then at least rename "politicians" to "government officials" per precedent 1 and 2. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:53, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kings of Syria

Nominator's rationale: merge redundant category layer as we already have categories of Seleucid kings by century. Marcocapelle (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Barons of Bernberg

Nominator's rationale: merge, the category only contains one article, about a landgrave in North Carolina. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:30, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Gates in the United Arab Emirates

Nominator's rationale: Only contains one entry, which is not really a gate. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Commercial buildings in the United Arab Emirates

Nominator's rationale: This will only contain one category after the below nomination. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Museums in the Emirate of Abu Dhabi

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. Contains only two subcategories that can be reached via other paths from all parents. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Pyramids in Dubai

Nominator's rationale: Only one entry. The parent Category:Pyramids in the United Arab Emirates has no other members. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge Hard to see this category ever reaching 5+ articles. - RevelationDirect (talk) 11:48, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge It's not even a true pyramid. It's pyramidally or pyramidallic. Donchajustlove neologisms? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:07, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skyscraper hotels in the United Arab Emirates by city

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. This is the only subcategory of its parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now iwth no objection to recreating if any content arises. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Skyscraper office buildings in the United Arab Emirates by city

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. This is the only subcategory of its parent. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge for Now with no objection to recreation if more content appears later. - RevelationDirect (talk) 12:22, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Office buildings in the United Arab Emirates

Nominator's rationale. Pointless category layer. Only content is Category:Skyscraper office buildings in the United Arab Emirates by city and Dubai International Financial Centre, which is not an office building. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Buildings and structures in Dubai by condition

Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:17, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Recipients of the Naguib Mahfouz Medal for Literature

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD, WP:PERFCAT, WP:NONDEFINING
The American University in Cairo has an annual project where they pick a worthy book in Arabic, translate it into English, and then publish it through their University Press. The Naguib Mahfouz Medal for Literature definitely fits the school's cross-cultural mission. This category groups authors who wrote the winning books but those biography articles don't treat this award as defining, generally listing it with other honours. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Prix Jean Freustié winners

Nominator's rationale: WP:OCAWARD, WP:NONDEFINING
The Jean Freustié Prize is a literary award from France given to French-language authors of "prose work: a novel, short story, autobiography, biography or essay". The author articles don't treat this award as defining, generally listing it with other honours. This is one of many French literary award categories created in late 2016/early 2017. The category contents are already listified right here in the main article for any reader interested in the topic. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:20, 24 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
source: https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=prev&oldid=1161710153

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