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Red China

China was for many years known to many people in the west as Red China, it is therefore legitimate to put this appelation in a list of names by which the country is known. If you do not like the name, that simple fact does not give you sufficient cause to remove the name from the article, as Wikipedia is about cataloguing information, not advcancing political interests. If it is removed, I will continue replacing it until such time that it no longer is subject to deletion. —Preceding unsigned comment added by GuelphGryphon98 (talk • contribs)

"Red China" is not used anymore so I think it's giving it undue weight to put it in the first sentence of the lead (especially when we don't mention more common names such as "Communist China"). Note that the name "Red China" is mentioned in the History section though so no information has been lost. Laurent (talk) 22:35, 13 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Also note that constant and repeated replacement of a reverted edit can be considered as a WP:POINT, and may warrant a block. There is no consensus among the larger group of editors to have "Red China" emplaced towards the front, as if it were an official name or neutrally used name. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 04:27, 14 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'll give you undue weight *shakes fist* GuelphGryphon98 (talk) 19:41, 17 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think both of you have a point, China was called that name at one time, but it has fallen out of favor. To come to a compromise position, you might want to add "Red China" to a list of names that the PRC was historically known as in the West, but than make note that since Deng Xiaoping's economic reforms, the PRC is now more commonly called "Mainland China" or simply "China".--Gniniv (talk) 05:03, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You will see that I have juxtaposed my idea in the current revision. Feel free to respond and or edit if you feel this is a misrepresentation.--Gniniv (talk) 05:08, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Historic names? There's already an article entirely dedicated to that: Names of China. Many many years ago, in Wikipedia infancy, it was decided that since China had too many names, associated terms and synonyms that listing them all in a China or PRC article was too messy, but excluding them would have been out of the question, something must be done. So they came up with the ingenious idea of giving the names and etymology their own article. As you can see, the term Red China has already been listed under Names of China#People's Republic of China as an informal name used by "many in the West during the Cold War". Since the Names of China article is linked from the PRC article in the infobox, there is no need to add additional information here. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 17:51, 24 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me for my ignorance of there being a seperate article on names of China-that works even better--Gniniv (talk) 04:16, 25 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think it is that relevant anymore, so question its inclusion. Out of interest, was the term used outside the U.S.? How about in languages other than English? This seems like a very US-centric term.Ndriley97 (talk) 20:13, 9 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

China

I read on other pages on Wikpedia that "The PRC is the successor to the Qing dynasty and the Republic of China on the mainland." Is this NPOV? Republic of China claims itself to be the successor to the Qing and ruler of the Mainland but... caveat is that "successor" directly implies exercising sovereignty over the piece of land. So is this NPOV?Phead128 (talk) 17:24, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, it's not neutral because indeed the ROC still officially claims the mainland and, more importantly, it still exists. If we write that the PRC is the successor of the ROC, we are taking the PRC's POV that the ROC is not a legitimate government and doesn't officially exist. I think it's better to simply describe the facts (the Qing were overthrown, the ROC lost the war, the PRC took over the mainland, etc.) rather than including oversimplified descriptions. Laurent (talk) 17:43, 8 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

So, to better clarify: It's actually the ROC and PRC that are both successor to the Qing dynasty. More specifically, PRC then succeeded ROC on the mainland, though ROC still exists in the self-administrative state of Taiwan. Thank you for the clarification. Indeed, PRC has succeeded ROC on the mainland, but it gives undue weight to PRC's position, while relegating ROC's position to a lower status, which is not neutral. Phead128 (talk) 15:46, 15 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However, is it not true that the PRC is the successor of Qing/ROC on the Mainland? ROC may have territorial claims, but indeed, PRC is administrating the mainland. 72.81.233.159 (talk) 17:38, 15 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

China redirect target

I searched China and it doesn't redirect here! This is wrong. People who search for China are going to be looking for the current Chinese state. Relistically speaking, few people are going to mean Republic of China if they search China. Even if someone does search for Republic of China, it is most likely they are going to be looking for the historical Chinese state from 1912 to 1949 not Taiwan. I don't think this is NPOV.174.91.49.165 (talk) 03:52, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

However consensus does not state that this is "wrong". Have a quick browse through the talk archives; this has been brought up many times, and has been rejected many times. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 12:37, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"Relistically (sic) speaking, few people are going to mean Republic of China if they search China" - implying they won't. I for one know of many Chinese who know the difference between the two Chinas, and might want to search for one or the other. "most likely they are going to be looking for the historical Chinese state from 1912 to 1949 not Taiwan" - true in 99% of cases, however that is also implying that the Republic of China article is all about Taiwan and has nothing to do with the historical state. Have a good read through the article, especially the "History" section. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 12:41, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from 128.252.254.1, 31 July 2010

{{editsemiprotected}} Just letting you know that the article on the People's Republic of China has an error pertaining to its GDP. The article states numbers in trillions, where it should be billions of dollars. Used the same source to verify this as the article currently provides:

http://www.imf.org/external/pubs/ft/weo/2010/01/weodata/weorept.aspx?sy=2007&ey=2010&scsm=1&ssd=1&sort=country&ds=.&br=1&c=924&s=NGDPD%2CNGDPDPC%2CPPPGDP%2CPPPPC%2CLP&grp=0&a=&pr.x=71&pr.y=8

AKA

|GDP_nominal = $5,296 trillion^[1] |GDP_PPP = $9,711 trillion^[1]

SHOULD BE:

|GDP_nominal = $5,296 billion^[1] |GDP_PPP = $9,711 billion^[1]

128.252.254.1 (talk) 15:03, 31 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Done Someone fscked up the punctuation apparently. --Cybercobra (talk) 02:29, 1 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Change from china.org.cn to cntv.cn on the government website

Please change china.org.cn to cntv.cn as CNTV has videos and it also links to china.org.cn and other websites. —Preceding unsigned comment added by B694kp8d (talk • contribs) 20:50, 8 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

nominal GDP

According to Bloomberg, China's nominal GDP has surpassed that of Japan.

16 August 2010, China Overtakes Japan as World's Second-Biggest Economy, Bloomberg

Regards, -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 11:12, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, Blumberg says China did last quarter. However, it also says "Japan remained bigger in the first half of 2010". No one denies that China will surpass Japan in the full year 2010. It is a bit hasty to change the order. Please wait for the full year 2010 result comes out. I reverted the change to the article of Japan. ―― Phoenix7777 (talk) 22:48, 16 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is orientating its nominal GDP ranking on an annual basis issued by the IMF. The 2010 GDP figures for the PRC will be published in April 2011. Before that, China is regarded the 3rd largest economy, no matter what. If this article wants to behave in an unreliable premature state, fine, otherwise it should correct the facts as soon as possible.

Why are the gdp numbers in this article that of 2010 and not 2009? I have noted that alot of other articles also us 2010 numbers —Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.21.214.42 (talk) 18:35, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Such as? -- Eraserhead1 <talk> 20:45, 24 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

This article

requires moar pictures of modern-day China with all its magnificent skyscrapers, plazas and airports and less of that human rights/free tibet/eastern beauty stereotypical Western bullshit. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.138.81.124 (talk) 22:14, 18 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

btw, USA is the prison country #1 in the world https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_countries_by_incarceration_rate, yet I don't see any human rights section in it's article, a major hypocrisy. Also, the order of sections is really fucked-up. So either fix it or lift editing restrictions.

Agree. Can you help me editing this article ? You can create a new account. In four days you will be able to edit this page. Causeplot767 (talk) 16:36, 21 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't find the current set of pictures to be overly POV, whereas your comments seem to indicate you would like to show only a positive image of China. Please keep NPOV in mind in any editing. This is not progaganda for or against China, it needs to be an accurate reflection, warts and all. Jbower47 (talk) 20:27, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Human Rights section should be deleted

Human Rights is not a top important topic that should appear in a general description of a country. It doesn't appear in most of the countries. So it should be deleted here in PRC. Desmond2046 (talk) 20:58, 25 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Disagree Since human rights are an issue that has garnered substantial coverage in reliable secondary sources vis-a-vis the PRC, a summary of the human rights situation is appropriate.Ngchen (talk) 02:03, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Agreed. It deserves a mention there. BritishWatcher (talk) 02:07, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure I understand your use of "vis-a-vis". In any case, reliable secondary sources have also substantially covered the state of human rights in the United Kingdom, India, and the United States. What's different is that Western countries claim to care more about China's human rights record, possibly due to the proliferation of special interest groups like the Taiwanese lobby, Tibetan exiles, Falun Gong, etc. (Cynics and critics have noted that this factors much less in diplomacy with China than the domestic politicking would have some believe). It could be mentioned briefly in the foreign relations section, but having a huge section on it like it did is surely a violation of NPOV. Quigley (talk) 04:23, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

If you would like to write something about human rights, it is NPOV to just use the source from NED and other western organizations. One should make a objective survey which covers enough population. One should also cite the reports made by organizations inside China. I don't think such kind of research has been done. So it is obviously improper to make any comment on the current situation of the human rights in China. Desmond2046 (talk) 05:04, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Would you be WP:BOLD enough to help find some sources from organizations within China? If you are able to find reliable sources regarding organizations from within China, you might be able to balance the point of view a bit. Then again, the sources do have to be verifiable. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 09:52, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Benlisquare, you haven't addressed the issue of whether it's neutral to devote such a big and prominent section to the subject in the first place. It's as if someone decided to take something negative about India, such as the Caste system, which is similarly mentioned in discussions of India, and give disproportionate weight to it on the main article. Even if you write in a thousand rebuttals by the Chinese government, it's still emphasizing the topics opponents of the regime want.

We wouldn't put in serious explorations of topics such as "China's efforts to build a harmonious society", because the idea is inherently slanted towards one viewpoint. Similarly, we shouldn't just assert that human rights are an essential topic to China; we have to place them where they will make sense in context. I suggested foreign policy. Are there any other areas where it comes up? Quigley (talk) 16:16, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Human rights have garnered substantial coverage because communist China is potential superpower and second largest economy, how many people in the west know that 6 million children die of hunger every year[1], mostly in shining democracies of India(malnutrition is more common in India than in Sub-Saharan Africa, one in every three malnourished children in the world lives in India[2]) and Africa? By nobody cares about them in the west because the west don't see them as a threat.Poet kkkk (talk) 10:33, 26 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Human right section is innapropriate. It is positioned in a calculated part of the article, close to the header, in order to garner the most attention. A separate article on human rights in china is enough and is already in existence, no need to double up on the same information, a single sentence followed by a link to that article would be sufficient, just like the india article links to the caste system, it doesn't try to advertise it propaganda style near the beginning of the article. English wikipedia is under attack from the usual anti-chinese propagandists, even as they commit atrocities against humanity in the middle east. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.98.197 (talk) 01:22, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Keep Those who are arguing for removal fail to appreciate that, unlike other countries in the developed world, China is a single-party dictatorship where the government systematically violates its own constitution by being serial violator or human rights, and is notable for such abuses. There are no independent organisations reporting on or campaigning for human rights inside China. Any reports are usually either sanitised or heavily censored makes achieving the notional balance impossible. Their so doing means we have to rely on Chinese government rhetoric or propaganda and not reliable factual information. The approach ensures that systematic bias persists, and this is not of our doing. There is no question that the topic should be given due prominence. Not including such a section would be a serious breach of WP:NPOV, IMHO. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:26, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

It's not a dictatorship. In fact it is far from being one. The organs of power are complex and not subject to a single individuals control. Including so much pro-falun gong garbage in chinas national article is just more western meddling. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 124.176.98.197 (talk) 04:21, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

The Party is the dictator. How it functions internally to exercise that dictatorship is not all that relevant. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 01:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

A more appropriate comparison for China, rather than the developed world, is the developing world where human rights abuses (and single-party dictatorships) are common. Human rights sections from their respective articles certainly could be written for countries like India, but I am sure such a section would be removed there for undue weight concerns. The best way to fairness would be through having our country articles be consistent in what top-level subjects they cover.

As for there being "no question" that the topic should be given "due prominence", I am questioning it, so please explain why you think that a long and dedicated section is "due", because the concern that it is too much has been repeatedly raised by different people but too often dismissed without serious consideration. Quigley (talk) 02:08, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User Quigley, you are saying "Wikipedia editors should give China, India, USA, Great Britain equal status" when writing up the "National article". Well, please remember that PRC is not your usual everyday "Nation", when none of the everyday "Western countries" have something as nasty as Great Chinese Firewall, and Propaganda Department of the Communist Party of China Arilang ^talk 03:00, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- No, that's not what I said. And plenty of nations—even those considered democracies—use political internet censorship and have publicity departments. The difference, perhaps, is that when India bans text messaging in Kashmir, the media uncritically repeats the Indian government assertion that it will help with "communal tensions" (harmonious society). The Chinese exceptionalism that you have expressed and that journalism so casually reflects should be identified, scrutinized, and neutralized. Quigley (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
It's interesting that you should cite examples of Brazil and India. I would say that while it may be interesting to draw that comparison, not all things are equal on WP. This budding superpower is flexing her muscles and is now playing in the field of the big league, and should be measured using the same yardstick. One may argue that human rights abuses in India or Brazil do not get so well publicised, but scarcely a day goes by where there isn't any mention or news report of abuse or some other travesty in China being committed in the name of Harmonious society which are hard to ignore – and this is just the stuff which is getting through the censors. Although WP is not the news, these make it a highly notable topic worthy of a section in the main country article. --Ohconfucius ^¡digame! 03:57, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]
- If the trends and stereotypes of the popular Western media established notability for top-level coverage, then this article would have more sections on some of the other memes that you guys have repeated here, such as China as a potential superpower. That subject is less emotional, so we can all recognize there that it is not covered separately from the politics section because in this article we are trying to be broad and have perspective. And this perspective transcends provincial Western perspectives wherein concepts such as "human rights" and press freedom trounce social harmony. We should also write independently, and feel no obligation to compensate for a supposedly monolithic Chinese censorship. Quigley (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

User:Quigley, I would challenge you to find yet another normal everyday western nation who would jail a Nobel Peace Prize recipient, and, because most of the Nobel Prize nomination committee are Norwegian, this PRC would try it's best to give Norway a hard time. Arilang ^talk 06:52, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Hai guise, can we please stop beating the dead horse already? The original discussion was two months ago, and we're going off track here. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 06:55, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. Stop replying and let the discussion get auto-archived. --Cybercobra (talk) 08:29, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I will create a new discussion section if formality requires it, but I don't think that it does. This discussion is not beating the dead horse: the horse has been avoided for the longest time, and only now is it being brought out into the open. In any case, if brought to a natural conclusion, this discussion will be a helpful reference if someone brings this topic up again in the future. Quigley (talk) 23:05, 21 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

March of the Volunteers or Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ

I would like to suggest, I think it is better to replace the national anthem which titled in English to native language in alphabetic pinyin version (Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ) rather than March of the Volunteers, do you agree? Calvin Lourdes He^discussion 13:37, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't agree at all. This is the English wiki and it's unwise to use the native name (Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ) as most English speakers are unable to understand its meaning. That's the whole point of translating foreign languages: you don't understand what the other side is talking/writing about, therefore you translate it into your language. Honestly: you can forget your proposal. Flamarande (talk) 21:15, 15 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, then how about German Das Lied der Deutschen, Israeli Hatikvah, Indian Jana Gana Mana or Singaporean Majulah Singapura? Are they confusing english wikipedians also for they are titled in native languages, are they totally different to Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ? Cheers! Calvin Lourdes He^discussion 14:03, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You're comparing diffrent anthems with each other (diffrent anthems, diffrent rules - it may not be "fair" - whatever that means - but that's the way of the world). I honestly haven't ever heard of a The Song of the Germans, but knew of the Das Lied der Deutschen and of the Hatikvah. I also knew of the March of the Volunteers - the national anthem of China. I believe that you may be judging it backwards; China and its anthem are so important and so interresting that the title was translated into English for a better and easier understanding, unlike other national anthems. In the end, to justify a change you need to provide evidence that the title "Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ" is used more often than 'March of the Volunteers' by the English-speaking media (books, encyclopedias, TV, documentaries, etc). Flamarande (talk) 17:19, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Suppose we list both titles with "March of the Volunteers" at the top since it's the most common English term? Ngchen (talk) 17:31, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Fine by me. Notice that the article already lists 'March of the Volunteers' and '《义勇军进行曲》' and to add yet another version may be too much (or not). In the end it's your decision, provided that "March of the Volunteers" stays (the English title/translation has to stay). Flamarande (talk) 19:18, 16 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I think WP:COMMONNAME is the most important point here. In the English-speaking world, "March of the Volunteers" is the most common usage of the Chinese anthem, whilst Kimi ga yo is the most common name for the Japanese anthem. It appears that it's just how things have unfolded over time. -- 李博杰 | —Talk contribs email 09:05, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Well, that is very interesting indeed. What is the indicator of most common usage of an non-English languaged anthem? Does Yìyǒngjūn Jìnxíngqǔ is helping much more for non-Chinese wikipedians to recognize the native title of the song without reading another article (March of the Volunteers) first? Or at least, why the pinyin of March of the Volunteers is vanished for not many people could read Chinese characters? Is it better to put the pinyin on the table? Cheers! Calvin Lourdes He^discussion 12:10, 17 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Trotsky

Was Trotsky a hate-figure in the PRC? Are there examples of purged cadres being painted Trotskyists? BillMasen (talk) 15:06, 2 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

China Template showing up as Filipino one

Hi, I noticed browsing this page, that the template of "cities in China" seems to have been replaced in name by the one for the Phillipines, and this seems to not be a mistake, due to what I can see in the edits. Is there any way this can be changed? Zobango (talk) 23:49, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, someone edited the template directly, and doing the same on the analogous Philippines template, although it was caught sooner there. I have reverted the edits. Quigley (talk) 00:23, 9 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edit request from Kirkenes10, 12 October 2010

{{edit semi-protected}} China maintains diplomatic relations with most major countries in the world. Norway was the first western country to establish diplomatic relations with the People's Republic on 7 May 1950 Kirkenes10 (talk) 09:41, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Where is this supposed to go? Also reliable sources are required for information added to an article. Thanks, Stickee (talk) 12:08, 12 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]