Wikipedia:WikiProject RuneScape

This project has a very narrow scope and could easily be covered by it's parent WP:MMO. My argument is listed in my comment here (where there are also other comments for and against). Greeves 03:21, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. I just barely didn't feel strongly enough about this to nominate it. To note, it was created when there were 11 articles under the scope, but now mergers and deletions have brought the number down to 5, soon to be 4 if I get my way with a merge. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 03:34, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Delete and Give a Sub-Page at WP:MMO. My points are above and on the project talk page. Greeves 04:01, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - the RuneScape series of articles has been very strongly criticised in the past for containing large amounts of crufty, poor-quality articles and self-confessed game guides; in the short time since its creation this WikiProject has helped clean this mess up considerably because it allows a location to coordinate our efforts. Now, the critics are silent, and in some cases, satisfied with the series. You may also see on the talkpage community efforts to deal with new bad articles (blatant gameguides and the irredeemably crufty - so called 'rogue subpages'). The project is older than the week-old WP:MMO in projectspace (MMO spending months unedited, forgotten, on a user subpage) and has five times more members. The only way MMO can look after its 500 articles is with subprojects - but these subprojects would be part of WP:CVG and nothing much would be done with WP:MMO - it would be unnecessary administration. Finally, I don't think having "a very narrow scope" is breaking any rules - true, there are guidelines advising against this; but the Wikipedia official policy Ignore all rules states that "If the rules prevent you from improving or maintaining Wikipedia, ignore them" - has this project not helped improving Wikipedia? CaptainVindaloo ^{t c e} 04:03, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Wikiproject has helped clean things up? By my count, two of the three merges, and all of the AfD discussions, were not started as a result of the project. That leaves one merge, and I don't even remember what I think it is now. -Amarkov ^blah_edits 04:06, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • Two merges:
      • RuneScape weaponry -> RuneScape combat
      • RuneScape armour -> RuneScape combat
      • And I intend to start the merge of RuneScape combat and RuneScape skills into RuneScape gameplay from here, when the time comes.
      • Minor merges of what isn't PRODded.
    • Thankfully no AfDs yet, but plenty of PRODs. XfDs should be a last resort.
    • Coordinating counter-vandalism, such as bringing up the vulnerability of images; these get vandalised an awful lot because the Image: namespace isn't well patrolled.

    CaptainVindaloo ^{t c e} 04:22, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I may, I will re-quote the Council guide. I am aware of WP:DELETE and the council guide is not a rule nor an official guideline. Some of it (such as the part which I am about to quote) is simply common sense.

"...we could create separate projects for every article should we wish to; but, just as obviously, we don't, as it would be much easier to simply collaborate on the talk page...if the topic is broad enough that some manner of formal organization is worthwhile, is an independent WikiProject the best answer? The best way to determine this is usually to look at other projects on similar topics, and at the "parent" WikiProject for the broader topic."

Collaboration on the talk pages of the specific articles can be happening more and WP:MMO should cover the articles well. I know that your vote cannot be changed, but I want everyone else to be made aware of this and before they vote either way I recommend they take a look at the original discussion here. Greeves 00:35, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. There are a fair number of Runescape articles in the encyclopedia, and a number of editors working with such articles. I feel that the condition for having a WikiProject is not whether it is broad or narrow in scope, but that it has had a reasonable amount of activity. Even if you wanted this project merged with a higher level project, the discussions here ought to be kept and not deleted. Sjakkalle (Check!) 08:56, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Delete for now - I'm fully in favor of keeping any WikiProject that two or more people are using, but it doesn't really look like anything is going on here. Most of the discussion and planning is at Talk:RuneScape. BigDT 16:08, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It should be moved. Talk:RuneScape is for the article, not any project planning. - Mgm|^(talk) 12:25, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - it isn't offensive, and it will help bring Runescape-related articles up to better standards, provided enough people join. Yuser31415 (Review me!) 22:02, 18 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - We're trying to write a damn encyclopedia, and deleting this Wikiproject isn't going to help. It's not doing any harm, and it's a good centralized location for improving the RuneScape series. The series needs some serious help, and this project is a great way for collaborative improvements. Sure, there may not be as many articles anymore, but some were deleted due to reasons which could have been fixed by a group work on the article(s). Agentscott00^(talk) 01:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that there were never that many articles under the project's scope to begin with; I believe there were about 11. I will quote the guide again.

"In general, if there are less than a few dozen articles within the projected scope of the project, it would probably be more efficient to simply work within a larger project which includes them."

There could be progress in WP:MMO or even WP:CVG as well (if not more, by spreading the word of RS articles to a wider audience). 'Nuff said. Greeves 01:37, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Call me a traitor but... Delete. We have what, 6 articles, counting the main one? Even at its peak, the RuneScape series didn't have nearly enough articles to deserve its own WikiProject. I decided not to nominate this for deletion, but I did not promise that I wouldn't vote. The series could still use the extra administration (taking care of rogue subpages and the like). Dtm142 01:48, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Terence Ong 09:11, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Would you make a comment/reason as to why you vote in this fashion to help the rest of us know why you believe in keeping it? Greeves 22:13, 19 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete not enough articles, memebers, and achievements to keep and can be covered by WP:MMO. Also others as said above.  Orfen ^{User Talk} | _Contribs 00:39, 20 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]