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What is the difference between House and Banshee, that the House infobox has grey headers and Banshee has the normal purple ones? I can't see any hidden code in there, but the grey is much more presentable than the purple. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dishonored's FA nom! 14:56, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• The color is determined by the show name which is retrieved from Template:Infobox television/colour. Not sure why that template is set up as it is, as it could be much smaller, but whatever works. Technical 13 (talk) 15:07, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the quick answer. DWB (talk) / Comment on Dishonored's FA nom! 15:14, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Just to clarify, Template:Infobox television/colour only provides custom colouring for a few series. The complete list is:

• Angel
• Buffy the Vampire Slayer
• Chuck
• Entourage
• Firefly
• Futurama
• House
• Mad Men
• The 4400
• The O.C.
• The Simpsons
• The Sopranos
• Veronica Mars
• Sex and the City
• The X-Files

--AussieLegend (✉) 17:28, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

• AussieLegend, you would possibly be able to expand on why they are colored via that sub template rather than using a |style=color: #RRGGBB parameter in the main template, could you? I'd like to understand this. I'm guessing there was a color dispute over which colors those series should have and /colour is more highly protected to prevent changing those colors, is this correct? Technical 13 (talk) 18:22, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Custom colouring of individual series is generally discouraged, which is why the colour parameters are not documented. Other than that, all I know is what is detailed at Template talk:Infobox television/colour#Colour eligibility. --AussieLegend (✉) 18:57, 25 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There's a slow edit war at Cosmos: A Spacetime Odyssey over the episode count in the infobox. Per the instructions here and reviewing the page discussions, "num_episodes" seems to be mention to only indicate for a running series how many episodes have aired, but here's a case that we know there are 13 completed episodes, it's a miniseries with a fixed end. It does not make sense to say, as of its premiere episode that "num_episodes" is just "1". People have been trying to use "13 (1 aired)" an approach I've seen elsewhere on less-significant TV series where there is a source for the number of episodes that are planned or have been produced, which seems a fair balance for this, but this keeps getting reverted by people citing this page. I think we need more consideration on this field as the "number of aired episodes" is not really a useful detail on its own. --MASEM (t) 14:50, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Episodes aired has always seemed odd to me. In Britain, unlike America, most series are completed before broadcast. Also some countries might not air every episode due to poor ratings, censorship, or local sensitivities if a real life incident clashes with a episode story (This often happens in Britain when an episode is postponed to a later date). As this is English Wikipedia and not British or American Wikipedia I would prefer episodes made. REVUpminster (talk) 15:06, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

REVUpminster I would respectfully suggest that information about episode production is probably not readily available for most of the world's shows. For children's animated programs, for example, there are rarely even cancellation announcements. Shows are left in limbo quite often, and we're left with no information about how many episodes were produced. The more easily verifiable metric seems to be "aired/released". I do, though, understand your point. There are times when a program will produce 26 episodes, but then pull one for being offensive (for example), so only 25 episodes air. Short of adding a num_produced parameter, I think that the difference between produced and aired could be best explained in prose rather than in the infobox. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I don't think we need a num_produced, but I think this num_episodes field needs a bit more flexibility for some shows - or at least what it should not contain as opposed to what's happening in trying to force a conformity to how the instructions currently say. --MASEM (t) 16:37, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Masem I'm a big fan of adding more specificity for all the parameters. Currently the documentation reads: "The number of episodes released. In case of cancellation a reliable source is required if the total number of episodes produced is greater than the number aired." It seems like we could tack something on to the end that might help: "For programs intended to have a finite set number of episodes (mini-series, etc.) list the total number of episodes produced, along with a reliable source." Or whatever we decide should be the norm. Cyphoidbomb (talk) 16:10, 11 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Hello could add a parameter, to place on other channels. I say this telenovela Articles.--GeorgeMilan (Talk) 01:47, 16 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

There are some contradictory instructions for some of the important parameters in this infobox. These are (with emphasis added for clarity):

This causes a problem at TV series such as The Tom and Jerry Show (2014 TV series). The series is American but first aired in Canada so Teletoon is a foreign broadcaster and therefore should not be in the |channel= field. Instead this should be Cartoon Network. Similarly, because |first_aired= and |last_aired= specify the "original channel", the US dates should be used in those fields. Including "Canada" in |first_run= per the instructions is misleading as the average reader would expect to see Canadian information, given Canada's location in the middle of the section and since that is where it first aired. The instructions either need to be rewritten, or the parameter relocated so that it's clear that the data is local and the foreign location is just a note. --AussieLegend (✉) 08:21, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How I'm reading this, all of this information should relate to the channel that corresponds to its country of origin. But, if this information does not correspond to where it was first broadcast (in Tom and Jerry's case), then we should use the parameters as such. What if we change as so: keep "channel" or "network", "first_aired" and "last_aired" as is, and change instructions for "first_run" to include country, channel and it's air dates, or default to the country of origin if not used. I'm expecting the output to be something like: - Favre1fan93 (talk) 15:38, 29 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

That's not exactly what I was thinking of but it solves the problem and probably in a better way than what I was thinking. I'd be tempted to add fields for the foreign country dates so editors don't have to manually format the field. --AussieLegend (✉) 04:31, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. When you presented this, it seemed logical to me. And yes, I just did a rough mock up, so I do believe a few new parameters may be needed. I'm seeing possibly three additional? If leaving |first_run=, then add one for the country's channel, and then one each for the start and end dates. And do note that the order they appear in the infobox will have to be adjusted to be clear as well (as I did in my mock up). - Favre1fan93 (talk) 05:02, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what to call the new parameters. Adding _foreign to existing names seems rather simple and makes the intent of the parameters obvious, so we'd end up with first_aired_foreign, last_aired_foreign, channel_foreign and network_foreign. If we use your suggestion, network_foreign would simply be an alias for channel_foreign and used only for consistency with current parameters. --AussieLegend (✉) 05:26, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

How about all the parameters as follows: |channel= or |network=, |first_aired=, |last_aired=, |first_run=, |first_run_channel= (or network. either or, or both), |first_run_first_aired= and |first_run_last_aired=. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 06:05, 1 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]