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Competition[edit]

I actually came to this page looking for alternatives for Etsy (something I use wikipedia pages for a lot). A ¨see also¨ section seems like it would be a good idea either with some prominent competitors or a link to an article that was a list of craft distributors? Zigbigadoorlue (talk) 18:48, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

How come Folksy.com isn't mentioned? 86.144.25.176 (talk) 16:22, 2 August 2013 (UTC)

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No criticism section?[edit]

Etsy is a disaster for international orders. Ebay has subtle tools that discourage transactions that involve customs. Etsy encourages them. Customs is a very very bad thing, especially for weird products. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.58.205.103 (talk) 23:06, 9 July 2012 (UTC)

  • It sounds like you're suggesting to include details in the article about problems with international selling via Etsy, correct? That could make sense, but we need to follow Wikipedia's guidelines concerning Notability, Verifiability, and Neutral point of view — in other words, we need to find a reliable third-party source (such as a decent newspaper article) describing these problems and then cite their descriptions. Do you know of any sources like that? I can't find any with a quick search. Also, it would probably be best to integrate this information into the main body of the article instead of adding a separate "Criticism" section. This essay on "criticism" includes more detail: "Rather than create a section dedicated to criticisms, instead try to incorporate negative material into the appropriate topical or thematic section that the negative material relates to (such as a particular event, policy, or product)." Dreamyshade (talk) 16:54, 10 July 2012 (UTC)
  • For future reference, this 2011 Inc. magazine feature includes some critical material that we could use to flesh out the history section. It'd also be nice to have a section on site features; the books I found could be helpful for that. Dreamyshade (talk) 06:12, 20 December 2012 (UTC)

Background and Etsy wars[edit]

Here's an article on Time that seems to maintain a more neutral stance than the Inc.com article and covers a background of the Etsy wars and the changes to Etsy's policies regarding the handcrafted lifestyle/ethos.

You'll need to be subscribed to access it, but here's some background and quotations from the article on content that could be used here: There is some sort of clash or "collision between artisanal purity and capitalist ambition." "[Turning household arts and hobbies into thriving ventures] is a movement as much as an industry, and many of its leaders insist that remaining virtuous means staying small." "The central battlefield for the future of the handmade movement is Etsy...which has helped its legions of handicrafters prosper in a weak economy. "But disenchanted members say that the bigger Etsy gets, the more it tramples over smaller producers and dilutes the charm of handmade goods."

After investments from venture capitalists including Union Square Ventures and Accel Partners (both investors in FB, Twitter, and Tumblr), and a change in management, Etsy is expanding and becoming more of a capitalist business - redefining the word handmade to include foreign factory-made goods with good working conditions, rather than maintaining the small/handcrafted ethos (which doesn't seem to be sustainable with a huge demand and market for handcrafted goods among those "who seek relief from modernity"). There was a sort of war that occurred between "disgruntled Etsians" and the "big sellers" that were violating the handmade ethos, and customers/merchants complained about Etsy's management "playing favorites among sellers by [advertising] bigger producers in splashy features on its home page, where shoppers couldn't miss them." —and etc. The article goes into more detail on the whole story. - M0rphzone (talk) 23:06, 10 February 2013 (UTC)

Opening sentence-Problems[edit]

"Etsy is an e-commerce website focused on handmade or vintage items as well as art and craft supplies with the same conditions handmade or used goods/vintage." I'm not really sure what "with the same conditions handmade or used goods/vintage" means, but it seems to say that supplies sold on Etsy are handmade or vintage. This is far and away not the case and is not a requirement of the site. Commercial supplies are allowed and welcome on Etsy, and make up the vast majority of supplies sold there. I think that phrase needs to be removed. Any objections? Michellecornelison (talk) 11:54, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

I'll actually go ahead and remove the phrase as I now see it was added recently with no prior discussion. I didn't want to edit the first sentence without posting here, but this phrase is either false or reads to be false. Michellecornelison (talk) 12:35, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

Company history wrong?[edit]

In the present article it is quoted that Etsy was founded in 1998 however on the etsy page itself (in the "About" section) and several other sources 2005 is mentioned as the launch date. See [1] and e.g. [2] 82.18.13.64 (talk) 10:56, 17 December 2015 (UTC)

This date of 2005 agrees with recent articles in The Guardian: "The Brooklyn-based company, founded in 2005..."[3] and Venturebeat: "Back in 2005, in a Brooklyn apartment, Rob Kalin, Chris Maguire, and Haim Schoppik created a company..."[4] --Gronk Oz (talk) 09:59, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

As the users above note, the company history is in fact wrong. Etsy was founded in 2005. [5] [6] I work for Etsy so I am disclosing that I have a conflict of interest; however, this change is not promotional in nature. Would it be possible to amend the founding date to 2005? 64.124.192.210 (talk) 17:55, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Incorrect and outdated production outsourcing information[edit]

The current description of Etsy's production outsourcing policies is incorrect. Etsy changed its policies in 2013 so that shops selling handmade goods could 1) hire people and collaborate from different locations 2) use shipping or fulfillment services and 3) work with outside manufacturers.[1] It is inaccurate to say that sellers can sell "allow nearly any item, even mass-produced factory items, to be sold as 'handmade'" as the Wikipedia page currently states. Handmade products must meet the company’s principles of authorship, responsibility, and transparency. Sellers must apply and be approved by Etsy to work with outside manufacturers and Etsy asks that sellers note their use of any outside assistance in their shop's "About" page.[2] Furthermore, through Etsy Manufacturing, which was introduced in September 2015, sellers can connect with small-scale manufacturers that have been reviewed and approved by Etsy. These manufacturers are required to commit to ethical standards on transparency, safe and just workplaces, and customer service. Sellers must also apply and be approved to work with any partners listed on Etsy Manufacturing.[3][4] I work for Etsy so I am disclosing that I have a conflict of interest; however, the changes I am seeking are to amend the factual inaccuracies that are present in the current information.64.124.192.210 (talk) 18:18, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikipedia is not really concerned with what you have to say about the company though. Wikipedia reports on what reliable sources say about a subject and the source [1] appears to be reliable. Which words exactly do you consider to be inaccurate? Theroadislong (talk) 18:26, 12 February 2016 (UTC)
The source you mention is reliable, but what is not accurate is the synopsis of it on the Wikipedia page. The referenced article does not say that sellers are allowed to sell nearly "any item, even mass-produced" ones as handmade. The term "mass-produced" is actually not used at all in the referenced article because that is simply not true. The source clearly states that "any sellers who want to hire a partner are required to fill out an application, outlining their personal role in the creation of a product and how they will be using outside manufacturing. Then Etsy’s Marketplace Integrity, Trust & Safety team determines who is and isn’t granted the right to use outside help." So while Etsy does allow sellers to use outside manufacturers, there is still an application process and principles that sellers must adhere to when using outside production assistants. Additionally, sellers are asked to note any outside assistance on their Shop's "About" page. To say that any mass-produced item is allowed on the site is false. It would be great to update the language to reflect this. 64.124.192.210 (talk) 19:26, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

I wanted to resurface the above as the information on regarding Etsy's manufacturing policies remains inaccurate. As flagged above, while the source referenced on the Wikipedia page is credible, the synopsis is not an accurate reflection of it. The article does not say that "mass-produced" goods are permitted on the site, but instead explains the process that sellers must go through if they wish to use outside assistance. I've also provided numerous sources above that confirm this notion. 64.124.192.210 (talk) 14:53, 16 March 2016 (UTC)

I have not received a response on the above requested edits in nearly 4 months despite responding to the talk thread above and resurfacing the issue. In light of that, I am making the edits I suggested. I am deleting the reference to "Mass produced" items as that is NOT mentioned even in the third-party source. Additionally, I have added in 2 sentences on Etsy Manufacturing based on a New York Times article (not based on any Etsy-owned or produced content). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 216.0.145.50 (talk) 19:10, 9 June 2016 (UTC)
    source: https://web.archive.org/web/20160409031503/https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Etsy

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