• For who I am, or was: Past introduction page and past user page. Includes information on my block log; this is important because if you can't take the time to read and comprehend a person's block log, including the clear edit summaries that are there, you shouldn't be commenting on it. Not all blocks are justified. More personal commentary on it is here.

• For how I was "reborn": User:Flyer22 Reborn/How I was "reborn".

• For my views on disruptive editors and the administrators who protect the project from them, and an acknowledgement that I lack respect for those who don't. Includes examples of me usually being right about WP:Sockpuppetry matters.

• For how I can surely recognize a person is not a WP:Newbie, even though I likely will not press the person on it unless necessary.

• For my views on the WP:Neutral policy since so many editors interpret it wrongly: User talk:Flyer22 Reborn/Past user page#WP:Neutral/WP:Undue weight.

• For my views on pedophiles, child sexual abusers, etc. editing Wikipedia: WP:Child protection. Also see User talk:Flyer22 Reborn/Past user page#WP:Child protection and this discussion.

• For awards and gifts I've received, ranging from helping with popular culture, sexuality and anatomy topics, to writing and improving articles, to cooperation aspects, to protecting Wikipedia from disruptive editors, to other matters: User:Flyer22 Reborn/Awards and gifts. Two "I hate you" type of awards are also included, since I saw no reason to only include the positives.

If you leave a message here, I will usually reply here instead of at your talk page.

Archive[edit]

• Archive 1 (from May 8, 2007 - June 20, 2007)
• Archive 2 (from June 24, 2007 - November 3, 2007
• Archive 3 (from December 20, 2007 - November 4, 2008)
• Archive 4 (from November 10, 2008 - June 6, 2009)
• Archive 5 (from June 10, 2009 - October 9, 2009)
• Archive 6 (from October 9, 2009 - March/April 2010)
• Archive 7 (from April 2, 2010 - January 20, 2011)
• Archive 8 (from January 21, 2011 - July 27, 2011)
• Archive 9 (from July 27, 2011 - March 20, 2012 )
• Archive 10/block cases (from March 21, 2012 - July 24, 2012, for block case 1; December 12, 2012 - December 19, 2012, and to December 24 concerning extra comments, for block case 2; 2014 for block case 3)
• Archive 10 in general (April 25, 2012- August 31, 2012)
• Archive 11 (September 4, 2012 - April 3, 2013)
• Archive 12 (April 5, 2013 - September 10, 2013)
• Archive 13 (September 14, 2013 - December 29, 2013)
• Archive 14 (December 30, 2013 - May 5, 2014)
• Archive 15 (May 6, 2014 - May 27, 2014)
• Archive 16 (May 29, 2014 - September 21, 2014)
• Archive 17 (September 20, 2014 - December 30, 2014 )
• Archive 18 (December 31, 2014 - April 3, 2015 )
• Archive 19 (April 3, 2015 - July 14, 2015; this archive has a lot of Cali11298 material, especially WP:Sockpuppeting material)
• Archive 20 (July 17, 2015 - October 23, 2015)
• Archive 21 (October 24, 2015 - January 3, 2016)

A barnstar for you![edit]

	The Barnstar of Diligence
	Keep up the good work! Jim1138 (talk) 18:27, 3 January 2016 (UTC)

Manual of Style/Images[edit]

Are you agreeing or disagreeing with me? I don't get what your discussion is talking about. --Steverci (talk) 02:09, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Steverci, regarding this, I wasn't agreeing or disagreeing with you; I was simply pointing you to Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#"Articles about ethnic groups or similarly large human populations should not be illustrated by a gallery of images of group members" because how the guideline should be applied is being discussed and reevaluated there. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:43, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Editing[edit]

Could you please refrain from changing my edits they are all factually correct Brownkidneys (talk) 21:03, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) What edits are those, exactly? You do not appear to have performed any edits on Wikipedia using this account prior to your having vandalized this Talk page. General Ization ^Talk 21:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Going by this and this, it's clear that Brownkidneys meant the edits to the Derek Martin article. Brownkidneys is now indefinitely blocked anyway. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:11, 9 January 2016 (UTC)

Regarding RfC[edit]

I have a request for the RfC section of Campus sexual assault. Rather than three sections, one for "Don't use in-text attribution", one for "Use in-text attribution", and one for "Provide additional information", I propose we remove the "Don't use..." subsection. Not only is this confusing by requiring the commentators to comment twice, one possibly resulting in a double-negative, but also supporting "Provide additional information" and opposing "Don't use..." can be contradictory. I am not opposed to not using in-text attribution, I am only in favor of using it. Since I would be happy with alternatives to in-text attribution (as mentioned) I am not opposed to the negative, if that makes sense, Can we please change this to a standard, single-question format "Should we use in-text attribution for this statement...?" or something along those lines. Then the comments are clear: support, opposed, or other. Scoundr3l (talk) 00:21, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I think the current format is fine. Editors commonly vote more than once in RfCs, including in this other recent RfC. The current format for the aforementioned RfC at the Campus sexual assault article addresses all the points, and it has one section for proposals and one section for further (general) commentary; it will make it easier for the closer to assess than having one or more jumbled sections; I state that after having taken the time to watch a lot of RfCs. Can you just let the RfC play out instead of debate this as well? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:14, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

Also, I would have granted your wish to remove "Don't use in-text attribution," but Kaldari already voted there. I would remove "Use in-text attribution," but leaving the "Don't" heading without the "Use" heading seems biased to me, like I'm presenting "Don't" as the main or sole option, even though people can obviously add "oppose" there and there are the other sections. So, at this, point, it's best to just let editors vote once or twice if they want. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:36, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

I maybe should have added a "Use or don't use in-text attribution" heading instead of the individual "Don't" and "Use" ones; this way, editors can simply state "Use" or "Don't use." I could still do that, if Kaldari doesn't mind changing her "Support" vote to "Don't use." But still...some would argue that the separate sections are cleaner. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:45, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

It's not my intention to start another debate. I didn't think it was a contentious request. The current formatting is very unusual in my opinion. Generally it's either yay or nay, not yay to the pro, nay to the con. At least in the US, ballots are also framed in the affirmative, i.e "Should we do this?" not "Should we not do this?". Plus my position has never been opposed to -not- using in-text attribution (see how tricky the double-negative is?) I intended to inform Kaldari that we may change format, but got pulled away earlier. If we can't reach them to re-comment, I see no reason we can't consider that opposed. Scoundr3l (talk) 05:47, 18 January 2016 (UTC)

It is my opinion the RfC !voting space was indeed very poorly organised. Having to support and oppose several points in the same RfC is indeed very impractical, which is why I only !voted once. I won't attribute any blame; what's done is done; but let this be a lesson for future RfC syntax and structure. We want to make the process as simple as possible, not convolute discussions into the absurd. Best, FoCuS contribs; talk to me! 19:34, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

FoCuSandLeArN (FoCuS), there was no obligation to vote more than once, just like there is no obligation to vote more than once in a RfC made up of Support and Oppose headings, which is a common RfC setup. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:48, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

Extra note about this is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:35, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

hey you[edit]

you are a jackass for taking my edit back. Howard Stern created the features of iowa. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.31.88.88 (talk) 22:29, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think he did, but I appreciate the jackass compliment. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:31, 19 January 2016 (UTC)

I could use a hand[edit]

I think I might need a character witness. RGloucester started a thread complaining about Dicklyon and myself over at AE. It was promptly hijacked by SMcCandlish with a long screed of accusations, half-truths and non-truths. I could use someone to put in a word for me. None of the admins will answer any of my questions or requests for specifics. If you're not comfortable with this, I get it. If you go over there and say you agree with what SmC has to say, I get it. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:11, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Darkfrog24, since I have a good history with you and a decent history with SMcCandlish (though SMcCandlish and I have exchanged heated words with each other before), that is putting me in a difficult situation. I'd rather hang on to my good or decent Wikipedia relationships. But I'll assess the matter and try to weigh in. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:21, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

Probably best if you don't get involved, then. Like I said, I get it. I don't want to put you in between two people with whom you get along. I just wish I could get the admins to talk to me. Darkfrog24 (talk) 20:23, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

That particular threesome has given me fits at times as well, and this is quite a typical pattern. Don't let them WP:BAIT you into blowing up at them, try to stay focused on content. SMc sometimes settles down, given time. Montanabw^(talk) 22:38, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Good words, those. Clarification requested, though, @Montanabw:, are you including me in the threesome or talking about someone else? I'm collecting constructive criticism on my conduct. (I must ask you not to initiate discussion of the issue from which I am banned, though.) Darkfrog24 (talk) 23:54, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

No, you were on the wrong side of the other three, they tend to run in a pack, though I don't know if they actually coordinate or just have overlapping interests. I'll WP:AGF that they just have overlapping interests, but see WP:TAGTEAM. That said, you are where you are now because you bit on the bait and dug in on a no-win situation. Which sucks for you and I wish I'd seen this post sooner. My only advice is that I've decided long ago to choose my battles, not go into the big ones (and all MOS-related topics are big ones) without backup and allies (but we can't WP:CANVASS -- which really means "learn how to alert people without breaking the rules" -- meh). Avoid the dreaded topic totally and on other things, develop a sense of when to walk away and how far... on some things I just bide my time until conditions are right for change, but on other things (and the MOS is often one of them), I know I probably will never win and so I just sigh and drop the stick (but still keep the topic on my watchlist). I've dug in and fought where it was not just a matter of style but also of functionality across wiki (infoboxes, navboxes), but even there the victories are incomplete. My motto is "You Can't Always Get What You Want - but if you try sometimes you just might get what you need."  ;-) Montanabw^(talk) 02:56, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for the information. I'd definitely agree with most of what you're saying about picking battles, but from my perspective I was already doing that. I guess the admins think I wasn't doing it enough (and I hate to guess).

As for canvassing, I specifically asked whether I was allowed to call witnesses at the general AN noticeboard. I got shut down with no answer one way or another, so I hazarded a guess. I hate to guess. Darkfrog24 (talk) 03:18, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

List of Supercouples listed at Redirects for discussion[edit]

An editor has asked for a discussion to address the redirect List of Supercouples. Since you had some involvement with the List of Supercouples redirect, you might want to participate in the redirect discussion if you have not already done so. Steel1943 (talk) 21:15, 20 January 2016 (UTC)

A new season is upon us[edit]

Hello F. I hope that you are well and that your 2016 is off to a good start. The third season of Black Sails is two days away and I hope that you are looking forward to it as much as I am. Do you think they will ever show us the meeting between Long John Silver and his parrot - a real groaner of a joke I know but I couldn't resist. Cheers. MarnetteD|Talk 23:22, 21 January 2016 (UTC)

RfC note ANI[edit]

There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard regarding your note on Campus Sexual Assault RfC. The discussion is about the topic Incidents. Thank you. Scoundr3l (talk) 22:20, 22 January 2016 (UTC) Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard/Incidents#Talk:Campus_sexual_assault_RfC Scoundr3l (talk) 22:35, 22 January 2016 (UTC)

Insects-vegetarianism[edit]

I already left a message in the talk section. Im waiting for your explanation on why it doesnt make sense. Melissa fire brasileirinhas681 (talk) 22:25, 23 January 2016 (UTC)

FB[edit]

Flyer, may I have your facebook ID address to communicate for? Sharif uddin (talk) 05:33, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Sharif uddin, no. I'd have to trust the Wikipedia editor a lot before I revealed my real-life identity to that editor. There are very few I trust with such information. And given the sensitive topics I edit and the stalkers I have (a number of which are sick individuals), it is vital that I am only known as "Flyer," "Flyer22" or "Flyer22 Reborn" on Wikipedia. Any Facebook identity I provide to a Wikipedia editor I do not trust as much as that would not be my true Facebook identity. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 05:43, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Godly Response to Abuse in the Christian Environment[edit]

howdy. i created the article above today, and thought it might interest you... Jytdog (talk) 05:47, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Invitation on a proposal[edit]

You're invited to discuss a proposal on here regarding film production section issues. BattleshipMan (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

Heads up on an edit I made to the Fellatio article.[edit]

I tried to introduce "both" into the bits concerning it being pleasurable for participants. Using "participants" is a great way to keep it gender/sexual identity neutral, but adding both caps that off by being clearly role-neutral.

I also de-gendered the part about it potentially leading to orgasm. If you read that part with two anatomically male participants in mind, it became meaningless. If you read it as someone who has a penis and does not identify as male it became offensive.

Let me know if you think I did a reasonable job. If I screwed it up real bad, I'd appreciate hearing that as well.

Thanks a bunch,

Jasphetamine (talk) 21:49, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I see that you are an editor I and others had suspicions about: User talk:Flyer22 Reborn/Archive 20#My inappropriate !vote. Whatever your background with Wikipedia, I won't dwell on that anymore. The edit you made to the Fellatio article is fine (mostly), but the "and may lead to orgasm and ejaculation of semen for males" was simply stating fact. Notice that it stated "may," not "will." It was not excluding trans men or genderqueer (non-binary) people. Furthermore, if a genderqueer person has a penis, ejaculation is still an aspect of the penis; that will not go away because of how that person identifies. In the case that the "for males" part may offend a trans woman who has not undergone genital reconstructive surgery, the wording was not a WP:Offensive material violation. None of the wording you changed was a WP:Offensive material violation. The "for males" part was there because rarely does fellatio lead to orgasm for the person performing fellatio. People usually need physical sexual stimulation of the penis or clitoris to orgasm. So I will go ahead and change the "may lead to orgasm" part to "may lead to orgasm for the receptive partner." Also keep in mind that while I do keep transgender people and non-binary people in mind for some edits I make here at Wikipedia, and I was clear about this at Talk:Fellatio, I am also clear (was clear in that discussion) that Wikipedia should go by what the sources state with WP:Due weight. The vast majority of people do not identify as genderqueer or non-binary. On a side note: "both participants" instead of "participants" might offend those who insist that we shouldn't indicate sexual activity as necessarily being a two-partner thing; yes, I've encountered those type of editors as well (the ones who emphasize the possibility of threesomes or other forms of group sex). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:08, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) "Heads up" about fellatio... rofl! EvergreenFir (talk) Please {{re}} 23:21, 27 January 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to respectfully strike from the record my seeking your counsel. Jasphetamine (talk) 15:10, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Jasphetamine, I don't know why you felt the need to strike through, but, in the future, it would be better for you take such a matter to the article talk page than to an editor's talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:19, 28 January 2016 (UTC)

Reverting Edits/Dummy accusations[edit]

Hello there sir or madam. Please do not reference my page to other accounts or make blatantly false accusations. I started this account over a year ago after abuse of a specific authors page was left unchecked. I rarely comment or make occasional changes on wikipedia. Someone blanked the man's page close to a month ago citing a similar policy with no protests. If this is not the case then the other has been left alone due to lack of interest or your favoritism to one page over the other. But both must be equal in that respect if policy has changed. Thanks!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jobes38 (talk • contribs) 22:27, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Jobes38 (talk · contribs), so if I report you as a sock of Stuke2 (talk · contribs) in a WP:Sockpuppet investigation, and a WP:CheckUser is ran on both of your accounts, the report will come back negative for you two being the same person? Your edit histories show otherwise. Stuke2, you want to comment here at my talk page about this too? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:23, 30 January 2016 (UTC)

Hi there Flyer22 Reborn (talk · contribs), it seems that you've stumbled on an old inactive account of mine. I am not even sure the name is registered anymore, but I think I know a colleague who is using it as a practical joke to counter my work. I am not sure if it can be deleted permanently or not or password changed. Just ignore them at this time, their pulling your leg. I know exactly who to contact in this case. Hopefully there were no frivolous interruptions. Also, I did note later today that the "Man's" article had their group pic deleted and a discussion seems to be ongoing on their talk page. I went ahead and placed it back up until a decision can be made for all pages as it seems like the standard practice after reading the discussion pages brought to my attention by PeterTheFourth (talk · contribs) on the matter. Let me know if thats the case or if it indeed needs to be taken down anyway, (seems like it was for almost a month). Again thanks for the notice my friend!! Take care :) Stuke2 (talk) 00:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Stuke2, the Jobes38 is not inactive anymore, as you know, and I cannot buy your excuse since you've attributed that account to being "a colleague who is using it as a practical joke to counter [your] work." I will report this matter in a WP:Sockpuppet investigation if someone does not beat me to it first, or if a WP:CheckUser watching my talk page doesn't go ahead and run the check. But on the slim chance that you are telling the truth, see WP:Compromised. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Jobes38. clpo13_(talk) 01:05, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Thats unfortunate you feel that way. But you do what you think is necessary. Beyond changing the password and leaving such account theres nothing else that I can do. Unless deletion is possible. It seems that others have used such an account to play games on similar articles which was started in response to an edit war on an article of Michael Reagan (by a user that was banned). Thats all I can say. Farewell.Stuke2 (talk) 02:38, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

	The Original Barnstar
	Thank you for noticing the Undue Weight in the Wikipedia article about Yisroel Belsky. I hope you succeed in fixing it. Defender583 (talk) 00:42, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

A proxy with disruptive edits[edit]

Hi Flyer. 81.100.25.101 (talk · contribs) deleted multiple-sourced content from Gutian people by using "false edit summaries" to fool editors. The contents of sources obviously CONTRADICT with the edit summary of the ip. It is clear that the ip is not here to contribute. Can you warn him/her? (I do not know whether you are an admin or not) Regards...176.219.133.136 (talk) 15:13, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

As it seems you know, I've repeatedly made it clear to that editor (on his talk page) that I do not trust him. You should gather evidence of his disruptive edits and report him at WP:ANI. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:16, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

I have reported him on WP:AIV. Thank you, Flyer. 176.219.129.115 (talk) 19:22, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Documenting BlueUndigoiFucker stalker[edit]

Made this section to document this latest stalker of mine here at my talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:18, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Latest account (that I know of) was BlueUndigo10Fucker (talk · contribs). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:21, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

BlueUndigo12FuckerFlye (talk · contribs). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:15, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

Wow, look at all those accounts. clpo13_(talk) 20:28, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

The stalking is strong in that one. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:29, 31 January 2016 (UTC)

BlueUndigoiFucker1Flyer22 (talk · contribs). Sure this section may be giving him the attention he craves, but he'll be stopped every time anyway. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:15, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

BlueUndigoi7FuckerFlyer22 (talk · contribs). Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:52, 12 February 2016 (UTC)

BlueUndigoiFucker20 (talk · contribs). I also considered that one of my other stalkers has probably found this funny and has impersonated BlueUndigoi at some point. I've had a stalker impersonate another before. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 19:22, 16 February 2016 (UTC)

How to set "preferences" for "signature"?[edit]

Hi, there: You suggested that I change my signature so that it is linked to my "talk page". But I have no idea how to do it. Could you tell how I can set it on my "preferences" page? Thank you. --Roland (talk) 06:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) - Hey there @Roland Longbow:! A step-by-step is:

1. Click on [Preferences], it's at the top of all Wiki pages while you are logged in.
2. Once in your "Preferences", scroll down to the "Signatures" section.
3. Copy-and-paste the following text into the text box in the "Signatures" section; Roland and make sure that the "Treat the above as Wikimarkup" is not clicked/on (no tick in box)
4. Save the change
5. Come back here and say; {{u|Drcrazy102}}, you are a friggin' genius, here's my bank account details in gratitude: [insert bank account details including pin, mother's maiden name, first pet, etc.]

If that somehow fails to work, then you have larger problems to cope with and should just ask at WP:Village pump (technical). They'll probably have some back-door-esque access to your settings and could change it for you. Anyway; Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 05:56, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

It seems it works now. --Roland (talk) 06:36, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Dang, I was hoping for them deets. No worries then, just remember to sign talkpage posts and comments, but not article edits. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 06:47, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Will Horton[edit]

Given your extensive work throughout Wikipedia, and throughout articles related to soap operas, I figured you'd want to be pointed out to a problem happening at Will's page, and its talk page. One user has made mass-changes to the Will article that both myself and Jester66 (talk · contribs) have reverted back to its original edits; the user has insisted on edit-warring these issues, and has ignored their talk page discussion to continue these edits. I've made a report for their violation of the three-revert rule but, I don't know if anything will be done about it. Figured you'd be a nice match for this discussion and problem. livelikemusic talk! 15:37, 1 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello! There is a DR/N request you may have interest in.[edit]

This message is being sent to let you know of a discussion at the WP:DRN regarding a previous discussion about this same topic in recent times and your input and discussion would be appreciated. Please remember to focus on content, not contributors. Content disputes can hold up article development and make editing difficult for editors. You are not required to participate, but you are both invited and encouraged to help this dispute come to a resolution. The thread is "Talk:African Americans".The discussion is about the topic Talk:African Americans. Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you!

Yeah, yeah, don't template the regulars and all that. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 00:48, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Doctor Crazy, the current big dispute regarding this is at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Images#"Articles about ethnic groups or similarly large human populations should not be illustrated by a gallery of images of group members". A WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 01:28, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

I am not notifying that many editors; that is way above my "pay"-grade. I'll ask some of the other Volunteers about this then. Thanks for pointing it out. Cheers, Doctor Crazy in Room 102 of The Mental Asylum 01:42, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

A Question about Ravi (rapper)'s page[edit]

Hello, I was wondering why the section of his early life was removed? Alicia leo86 (talk) 11:37, 4 February 2016 (UTC)

Hello, Alicia leo86. I briefly explained after reverting this IP: WP:BLP concerns. Read that policy for what I mean. Having unsourced career information gets more leeway than unsourced early life and personal life information. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 00:16, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

Ah, thank you @Flyer22 Reborn:. I wasn't quite sure. Alicia leo86 (talk) 07:59, 5 February 2016 (UTC)

The power & control dynamic in child abuse[edit]

I did power and control in abusive relationships covering the power and control dynamic in various abusive contexts but can see nothing relevant to this in child abuse, child sexual abuse or child grooming. This seems like a major oversight.--Penbat (talk) 13:38, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

Replied. And I know that I have to fix up the Child grooming article, since apparently no one else is going to do it. I need to add sources to that article before someone else starts cutting relevant material there. And I'm currently involved in an RfC at the Child abuse article: Talk:Child abuse#RfC: Should the lead sentence use a broader definition of child abuse?. WP:Permalink for it is here. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 17:14, 6 February 2016 (UTC)

A page you started (Lexa (The 100)) has been reviewed![edit]

Thanks for creating Lexa (The 100), Flyer22 Reborn!

Wikipedia editor Garagepunk66 just reviewed your page, and wrote this note for you:

I enjoyed your article about Lexa (the 100). You obviously put a lot of time into it. You may wish to adds some sources in the season two section. However, otherwise it looks very good.

To reply, leave a comment on Garagepunk66's talk page.

Learn more about page curation. Garagepunk66 (talk) 06:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Garagepunk66, thanks for reviewing the article; I'm glad you enjoyed reading it and that you appreciate the work I put into it. I wrote it partly because I like the character and partly because it's been a long time since I created a Wikipedia article and I wanted to see how that felt again (to be the old Flyer22 but improved when it comes to knowledge of article writing on Wikipedia and its rules). I reverted the tags you added, because, like I stated, the article's format is in line with MOS:TV. And, per MOS:PLOT, plot sections usually do not need inline citations. For a recent discussion about whether or not to use inline citations for plot sections, see Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 178#Plot and secondary sources. Some editors would, but I'm usually not such an editor. I did note, however, when adding that plot section that it needs work and that I copied it from List of The 100 episodes. I don't care how much of that section is cut; what is there now is a little much for a recurring character. So maybe Popcornduff would be willing to cut the plot section? If so, feel free to cut away Popcornduff (if you don't mind being spoiled on the show).

On a side note: Garagepunk66, I signed your above post. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:19, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I'm flattered to be asked! :) But unfortunately as I know nothing about this show, I don't think I'm in a position to assess what's worth keeping and what's worth cutting. Definitely looks way too long though. Popcornduff (talk) 07:24, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Oh, c'omn, Popcornduff, as seen at Wikipedia talk:Manual of Style/Archive 178#Plot and secondary sources, you managed with not remembering much about the Metal Gear Solid plot. I believe in you. You can do it. But, seriously, thanks for considering it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 07:30, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

The MGS plot summary, overlong as it was, served as enough of a reminder for me refamilarise myself with the story... but in this case I'd be totally in the dark. Sorry! Popcornduff (talk) 07:59, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

One suggestion: you could make each paragraph about each episode a subsection, using the episode titles as subheaders. That would help fight the "wall of text" appearance and make it more readable. Having worked as a technical writer and interface designer, I can tell you from experience that there's tons of evidence that breaking up long sections into paragraphs with clear headings makes readers much happier, and much more likely to actually read your page. Popcornduff (talk) 08:01, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Regarding not cutting the plot section, that's okay. You should give the show a try, though. It might at first seem like another teen show, but it quickly turns into so much more than that. Reviewers are right that it's an underrated show. Furthermore, Clarke Griffin (the main character) is now 18 or 19, and so are the other teenagers. So it's more of an adult show. I'm glad I binge-wacthed it sometime last year. Like David Griffin of ScreenRant stated, "With all the talk of comic book franchises lately, perhaps The 100’s lack of superheroes is somehow detracting from what has become one of the more entertaining shows currently running on television. So, why haven’t you given this show a try?" He's also right that "the first couple of episodes of the series are its weakest."

As for headers in the section, you mean pseudo-headings (WP:BADHEAD)? If you mean actual headings, that would be a lot of headings for that relatively small section, and I generally dislike headings for a little bit of content. That many headings in a plot section also puts the section more at risk with getting tagged with Template:Plot. I could easily break up what's there into shorter paragraphs, though. In two cases there, I stuck two episode summaries together to save room. I could also use Template:TOC limit if we really want to add a lot of subheadings to that section. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:16, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I broke up the two aforementioned paragraphs. I'm expecting people to edit that plot section significantly since that's the main thing our readers pay attention to, or rather edit, when they visit our articles on fictional topics. With them filling in stuff, I was planning to cut the excess fat that way. But I might go to cutting it before that point. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:26, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I cut a lot with this edit, and tweaked matters, after actually reading all of that. What I left in is mostly needed for context. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:25, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

I meant real headings (H3s in this case I guess?). IMO here they're totally justified because you have quite a large amount of text per episode, and it makes the page much more digestible. But this isn't a page I'm invested in so feel free to ignore that suggestion ;) Popcornduff (talk) 09:35, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

What's there now are decent-sized paragraphs (on my laptop screen, which I admit is a bit wide), with maybe the exception of the "Long Into an Abyss" paragraph. Some are smaller than others. To me, a section is not needed for each of those paragraphs. The two subheadings for the seasons seem like enough. I think most readers, if they want to read the plot section, can get through the season 2 section without feeling like it's "too long; didn't read." And, of course, the season 3 section is just one small paragraph. I'll see what more I can cut, but I think I cut just about all I can validly cut from that section, significantly-wise anyway. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:45, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Sock advice[edit]

Just out of curiosity, since you've dealt with many socks, what additional advice could you offer in regards to SPIs and tracking down sockpuppetry? I am not new to this, but want to gain some more experience. Thanks, GAB^Hello! 18:44, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Other than what is stated at User talk:Flyer22 Reborn/Past user page#WP:Sockpuppet watch, there's not much more. Like I noted there, I keep some details to myself. I also haven't been pursuing socks as much these days; it's usually not so much a pursue matter anyway. It's rather I notice them, and then decide if I want to expose them. If they have been a good editor for a couple of years (or more), for example, attempting to expose them can be an uphill battle, since they will have likely accumulated acquaintances or friends on Wikipedia who respect them and will view implying or otherwise indicating that they are a sock as a lack of good faith, or even as bullying. In the most recent case seen above on my talk page (#Reverting Edits/Dummy accusations), that editor was socking to game the system; so I exposed him, with a brutal tactic: Naming him as a sock in the edit history for everyone to see. As predicted, he came to me, and further exposed himself. You can also look at WP:Signs of sock puppetry for more information as well, if you haven't looked at that yet. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:29, 7 February 2016 (UTC)

Objectum-sexuality[edit]

I've made the changes to the Object sexuality article (changing "fetish" to "orientation" and removing the link to paraphilias as a related topic) because OS is not a fetish, which would be something purely sexual that is used purely for sexual stimulation. Objectum-sexuals feel genuine romantic and sexual attraction to objects that they treat as partners and care for as far more than just a sex toy. There are even those who are strictly romantically attracted to objects, and so it would be absurd to call it a fetish. Beyond that, connecting it to paraphilias suggests that it is one, and thus that it is disordered, which is not the case. The following sources back up my decision to change it to "orientation" and why I think it's insulting to continue to insist on it being called a fetish.

^{[1] [2] [3]}

108.50.39.113 (talk) 07:54, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

You (and others, or you under different IPs) keep getting reverted at that article because calling object sexuality a sexual orientation is very WP:Fringe; surely you saw the rationales when you were being reverted. Object sexuality is indeed a sexual fetish, and a paraphilia. The sources you cited above are also poor. Review WP:Reliable sources and WP:MEDRS. In the future, you should take matters like these to the article talk page, not to one or more users' talk page, especially when more than one editor has reverted the disputed content. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 08:43, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

Also, not all sexual fetishes and paraphilias are classified as mental disorders; read the aforementioned articles and check their medical sources (if you can) for what I mean. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:04, 8 February 2016 (UTC)

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Re: MOS:PLOT[edit]

Hi, I disagree that I added more plot detail than necessary, most of the changes are for subjects in sentences not being specific enough. I made new changes to the original version with pared down detail but also delete some duplicated descriptors. --Will74205 (talk) 13:46, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Replied at your talk page. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 18:47, 9 February 2016 (UTC)

Some rice for you![edit]

I am glad food Jadenvideotube (talk) 00:11, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

MJ[edit]

I do not believe that "Actress Elena Satine has campaigned for the role of Mary Jane in The Amazing Spider-Man before the producers choose Gwen Stacy instead of MJ" is relevant to this article as it seems that the character was never in any official media related to the film. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.43.182.100 (talk) 19:28, 10 February 2016 (UTC)

Kanye West[edit]

Thanks for your edits. I have restored the David Bowie line which was removed by another editor. It seems quite significant to me that he paid such high tribute to Bowie as an inspiration for his musical and genre-defying experimentation. Rodericksilly (talk) 01:25, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

Kanye is a publicity hound. I doubt his interest was particularly sincere. Montanabw^(talk) 09:09, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

I appreciate your support on this page, Flyer22. Just to let you know, I've moved the line you restored to a more appropriate place so that it follows on from "West's musical career has been defined by frequent stylistic shifts, and has seen him develop and explore a variety of different musical approaches and genres throughout his work". It seems pretty clear that is where the Bowie influence on West specifically is, as both artists' careers share that in common. Best wishes. Rodericksilly (talk) 03:45, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Rodericksilly, I saw, but I felt that the text fits better where I placed it because it was beside his other influences, and GentleCollapse16 somehow felt that the Bowie aspect was being prioritized, including in this case. For whatever reason, it seems that GentleCollapse16 doesn't want Bowie mentioned as an inspiration or influence at all, despite West stating that Bowie is one of his "most important inspirations." Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:53, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

From what West said, it appears that Bowie is a more general influence on his approach to music than a specific influence on a particular album or track, in contrast to, for example, RZA's sampling influence mentioned in the same section. So if we're going to mention Bowie, it seemed more appropriate to me to follow the line "West's musical career has been defined by frequent stylistic shifts, and has seen him develop and explore a variety of different musical approaches and genres throughout his work". I've also added "among West's stated influences", so hopefully people won't misinterpret as before that anyone is saying Bowie is "THE INFLUENCE", which was never my intention. Rodericksilly (talk) 04:06, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Yeah, my objection was to Bowie being so prominently namedropped at the beginning of a discussion of Kanye's musical style without any specifics regarding Bowie's actual influence on his work—why not also mention Steve Jobs, Walt Disney, Stanley Kubrick or any other artists Kanye routinely invokes? The fact remains that Kanye has named many artists as profound influences (A Tribe Called Quest, Puff Daddy, Pete Rock etc) which also aren't cited here, and dropping Bowie seemed like a lame attempt to pull a "look, this rapper was influenced by a revered white rock star! " when it wasn't particularly relevant. The inclusion in the Legacy section that Rodericksilly mentioned sounds good to me, but I still think it's just gratuitous (and condescending) to mention Bowie in the musical style section regarding the simple fact of West's creative restlessness. Apart from West's recent tweet, there's not much of a specific or especially noteworthy connection between the two. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 04:29, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

"and dropping Bowie seemed like a lame attempt to pull a "look, this rapper was influenced by a revered white rock star! " "What a strange assumption to make that race has anything to do with it whatsoever? Blimey! Rodericksilly (talk) 04:34, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

As if black artists haven't consistently been patronized and condescended to via validating comparisons with more "tasteful" white artists...? (and I love Bowie too, don't get me wrong). And as if rap and black music hasn't always had to fight to be considered as artful and singular as more revered white musics? GentleCollapse16 (talk) 04:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Seriously, WTF has color got to do with it? I think I know what your issue is now and you're choosing to interpret it how you like to because it's suits your "issues". Color has fuck all to do with it and YOU'VE brought that into the conversation. It's a shame, because you've now shown you can't be regarded as an unbiased editor. Rodericksilly (talk) 04:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

What exactly is your issue? That I'm bothered by your apparent need to immediately validate and contextualize West's work with reference to a more "respectable" white artist who otherwise has no explicit, oft-discussed, or noteworthy tie to his work? And your "Color has fuck all to do with it and YOU'VE brought that into the conversation"—hahaha oh dear, I'm sorry to break it to you pal, but race and a dimension of racial bias is intrinsic to every aesthetic perception and value judgement you, as a human who lives in society, make, and it's normally just ignorant, self-satisfied white people who can afford pretend it doesn't affect their actions—you may simply like David Bowie, but there's a reason, for example, that you're so keen and excited to include him but not other artists like James Brown, A Tribe Called Quest, etc. who West has called great inspirations but who don't fit your OWN conservative preferences for what counts as a significant influence on West's work. The simple fact of West's stylistic changes isn't something that's only shared by Bowie, and your emphasis of that only reinforces your ignorance to all his other influences.

The fact is, West's work, and our discussion of his work, should be able to stand alone from any of your preferred comparisons unless there's an explicit reason to call upon them (i.e. RZA's sampling style was a direct influence on West's, etc). Race is already a dimension of cultural interpretation, and you're certainly not a special exception to the case. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:22, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I haven't seen sources for the other artists, I HAVE seen a source for David Bowie. That's why I added it and for no other reason. I honestly couldn't give a shit what color David Bowie was, what color Kanye West is, what color James Brown was, what color Marvin Gaye was .... the list goes on. But YOU OBVIOUSLY DO CARE. If the color of music artists is an issue for you, that's your choice, but please don't judge everyone else by your standards because some of us are just interested in music. Thanks. Rodericksilly (talk) 05:31, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

You really don't get it, do you—I don't give a FUCK about an artist's skin color, but I'm also acutely aware of the way white artists are repeatedly used by apparently "objective" sources like yourself as a kind of measuring stick for what's "normal" or "brilliant" while other artists are left by the wayside. Your "I haven't seen sources for the other artists" isn't at all an excuse. You're still engaging in the disproportionate privileging of a white rock artist over others who evidently don't strike as being as significant to seek out. If you're not going to objectively include all of West's influences, your engaging in POV editing and that has no place here.

More than anything, I find it incredibly hard to believe you could genuinely love and understand all the music you just listed without paying attention to how they all play with issues of race. Bowie was famous in the 1970s for flirting with black music styles while perverting them with his alienating white detachment, and explicitly calling attention to those racial dynamics—look up how he defined his "plastic soul" sound, you might be surprised by how much Bowie "brought race into it". West's entire career has been concerned with how race and perception affect ones status in a society. And the list goes on. There's no such thing as "just music" except in your own oblivious head. Objectivity is about giving everyone a voice. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:42, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Again, color is quite clearly a big issue for you. That's fine but don't make assumptions about other people because your accusations really are the definition of the POV you're ironically attributing to me. And what precisely is stopping you from adding mentions of all these other important and non-white influences on West's career to even out the color imbalance you perceive? Rodericksilly (talk) 05:47, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Quiet simply, the fact that Bowie doesn't have any business in that section in the first place. What assumptions? I'm concerned with the unnecessary inclusion of an artist in a section that doesn't warrant his inclusion, and I'm extending that concern with the caveat that this inclusion also reinforces a biased mainstream aesthetic narrative that privileges certain artists over others. Your ignorance or obliviousness is not an excuse for your complicity in that, period. Stop with the condescending "color is quite clearly a big issue for you" garbage—color, like gender, sexual preference, physical appearance, and other tenants of discrimination should be of concern to anyone who is conscious of the society they live in. GentleCollapse16 (talk) 05:57, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

The only person who brought anything condescending into this conversation in the first place was you when you brought up color in the first place, which nobody else was talking about. Why don't you make a positive contribution to the West article by adding some artists who influenced his career to counter the "biased mainstream aesthetic narrative" you perceive (you know some big words, don't you??? I prefer plain English myself). I would have no objection to that, regardless of what color they may be. As for "garbage", I haven't heard so much garbage from a Wikipedia editor in a very, very long time, frankly. You can hardly claim to be unbiased in your approach to this editing process from what you've said so far, your words have been loaded with bias and an apparent agenda. Rodericksilly (talk) 06:05, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

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GentleCollapse16 and Rodericksilly, I moved the Bowie content to the end of the first paragraph of the Early career and influences section. Can you both be fine with that? I obviously feel that Bowie should be mentioned in that section since it notes people who inspired West, and West specifically called Bowie one of his "most important inspirations." Whether or not he was being sincere is not for us to decide. I don't see that it needs to come first in that section, ahead of his other inspirations, so I agree with GentleCollapse16 on that part. And I don't think it belongs in the Impact and legacy section; so I disagree that it should be re-added there. No matter what, WP:Edit warring on this needs to stop. The next step is a WP:RfC if we can't compromise on this. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 09:14, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Thanks for your response, Flyer22. If you feel the passage is better suited there, I can fully see your reasoning and I'm quite happy to go along with that. Thanks again. Rodericksilly (talk) 14:24, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Re: the removal of:

Jon Caramanica of The New York Times said that West has been "the rare artist respected as both a pop musician and experimenter, renowned as much for his creative endeavors as for his tabloid exploits" and asserted that "he has remade hip-hop’s sonic palette three, maybe four times. His musical legacy is peerless."^[1]

from the Legacy section; it seems to me it's saying more balanced version of what the Caramanica quote I replaced it with was:

Jon Caramanic of The New York Times said that West has been "a frequent lightning rod for controversy, a bombastic figure who can count rankling two presidents among his achievements, along with being a reliably dyspeptic presence at award shows (when he attends them)."^[2]

In both cases Caramanica notes West's controversial persona outside music, but my replacement balances that with his musical reputation, which also seems to be the focus of a lot of the following sources—the dialectic between West's two poles, the musical acclaim and the controversial persona. I just thought it was more balanced and to topic than the original. Do you have any particular reason for disagreeing? GentleCollapse16 (talk) 23:19, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

GentleCollapse16, I reverted you on that change because that paragraph is big enough as it is (what you added is a little longer), the paragraph gushes about West enough, what you added seems redundant to what is already in the section, and the first Caramanic quote specifically comments on his controversial persona, which is a big part of his legacy. I don't think "his tabloid exploits" clearly relays "controversial persona." That the Caramanic quote is the only quote in the section to directly note that West is controversial and clearly tie that to his impact is why I've reverted you on the inclusion of it twice. I've reverted you on the position of the AllMusic piece twice as well because I think it is the best quote to begin the section with. I wouldn't hugely object if you added the other Caramanic quote in the quote box in place of the quote that's already in the quote box, or as an addition to that quote, but I don't think it's needed; I think it's overkill. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 23:50, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

February 2016[edit]

Hello, I'm 2602:306:3357:BA0:383E:3FA3:2868:37E5. I wanted to let you know that one or more of your recent contributions to Frequency has been undone because it did not appear constructive. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on my talk page. Thanks. 2602:306:3357:BA0:383E:3FA3:2868:37E5 (talk) 22:56, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

LOL, my mistake. I read it as you committing vandalism. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 22:58, 14 February 2016 (UTC)

"Good faith edit"[edit]

I will never understand why people call stuff like that "good faith". Bishonen | talk 21:47, 15 February 2016 (UTC).

Bishonen, there was a time when I would have been quick to revert that as vandalism. These days, I am more likely to assume that maybe the editor heard it somewhere, including by the subject himself, was joking because they honestly don't know how Wikipedia is supposed to work, or something else. I glanced at the edit quickly and wanted it gone, and I did not want to analyze it any further than that. I usually revert vandalism or other disruptive edits as vandalism or disruption; other times I might not. And I'm stating that as someone who despises how much the WP:Good faith guideline is used without reason. Goodness knows it's my enemy in sockpuppet cases where I know what I'm talking about and sometimes have to put up with the "assume good faith" people. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:57, 15 February 2016 (UTC)

Compare Wikipedia:Don't link to WP:AGF, a little thing of my own. Bishonen | talk 22:02, 15 February 2016 (UTC).

(talk page stalker)Bish, I love that essay! Montanabw^(talk) 07:56, 18 February 2016 (UTC)

Sandbox?[edit]

Hello, you have undone my edit on the page https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Zealand_National_Party naming it vandalistic and/or futile, yet I believe this operation was only based on personal opinion. The edit was not vandalistic and it was not futile.

It was made because the rendering of the Māori name was not precise, since it refered to any kind of National Party [[1]], and this is not that article. The name in English is "New Zealand National Party" which is translated into Māori as "Rōpū Nāhinara o Aotearoa", because it is not a National Party, but the National Party of New Zealand, as you may easily check also on the Māori version of the same page: [[2]]. I will remake the edit now, hoping my explanation was clear.

Lastly, I do not need to experiment on the sandbox, as you kindly suggested in your message, all I need on this site is a precise encyclopedia.

- Best Regards — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.45.230.192 (talk) 03:54, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

Big Ang[edit]

How is updating the site to show she has passed not constructive? http://www.cnn.com/2016/02/18/entertainment/obit-big-ang-angela-raiola-dies/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.168.66.175 (talk) 21:00, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

I initially reverted you because I thought you were messing up a URL. I've partially reverted you because of WP:TVLEAD. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 19 February 2016 (UTC)

About the edit you undid in Wikipedia:Manual of style/Words to watch[edit]

I noticed you undid some edits on the following page without explicit reasoning, so now I'll tell you why I made a few changes to that page. One, value-laden just redirects to loaded language. Two, {{Peacock inline}} redirects to {{Peacock term}}. And three, {{Loaded term}} is a brand-new addition to the wiki (admittedly one I submitted to Articles for creation; although apparently {{Loaded}}, thanks to a backlog, is still pending submission). HeatIsCool (talk) 20:24, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

HeatIsCool, regarding this, I'd already re-added "Peacock term" in place of "Peacock inline." As for value-laden redirecting to loaded language, there is no reason to bypass the redirect; see WP:NOTBROKEN. I don't care much that you bypassed the redirect, though. And lastly, I do not see why your "loaded term" template needs to be there. Exactly why is that template needed? Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 20:32, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Wikilinks are not sources[edit]

…per WP:VERIFY, etc. Per the policies, it is never sufficient for non-common-knowledge information to only be sourced via Wikilink.

Though this is rampant at WP, including via presentation of images that contain intellectual content (such as fully labeled anatomical images), it is not acceptable here, or anywhere.

Even more critically, the source that this draws from does not cite sources, and is this: { http://www.luckymojo.com/faqs/altsex/penis.html }.

Part of the point is to make clear that sourcing images from websites not affiliated with any reputable institution is not a good practice. AT LEAST, the material needs to be checked, and the source against which it is checked needs to be provided. Please do no support non-encyclopedic practices, in this case, even if they are rampant, and we could get by not doing so. Images are content. When content crosses the line from being an illustrative image, to communicating content, its content must also be verifiable. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:26, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

Leprof 7272, nowhere did I state that wikilinks are sources. I am not a newbie, after all. I did, however, make it clear at the article's talk page that this tagging by you is nonsensical. Since you apparently want a WP:RfC on the matter, so be it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2016 (UTC)

• Please support me on not removing the article tags. I do not know who CFCF is, but if the tags come off, you are on your own in improving the article (note all the books fixed today). I will not work with people who elevate prettification over substance. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
• The images that were made to reappear (Egyptian fertility god and a piece of German artwork) are (i) not discussed in the text, and (ii) are only identifiable on a "just trust us" basis, or via Wikilink. Regardless of what the basis is for the identification, I would ask these two images be returned to ANGLEBRACKET!-- images --> status until they are discussed and their relationship and importance made clear via source. Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:54, 23 February 2016 (UTC)
• More broadly, in the sourcing of content in figures and their legends. I understand I am in the minority in this. You again will determine if we swim with the current, or we can go with my proposed improvement (even if not in the mainstream). By having tags, I invite others more knowledgable and with greater time, to make clear that the images belong, and what they mean. Without a tag, the images are, as I argue above and at the article, WP:OR, especially in the selfie-case, but also in the case where ethe editor chose a third-rate web-page, cited above, as his illustrated anatomical content. If we must disagree on this, so be it, I will not fight you (because as you say, it is votes that count, whether in Republican primaries, or to maintain common non-scholarly practices at WP). Le Prof Leprof 7272 (talk) 21:58, 23 February 2016 (UTC)