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The result was moved to Draft:Pascal Stil. ~Anachronist (talk) 15:50, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Pascal Stil[edit]

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No indication that this person satisfies WP:GNG. There are various sources cited, but none of them seem to provide the significant coverage in independent reliable sources which is generally needed to establish Wikipedia notability for a stand-alone article. The primary claim of notability appears to be that Still was the first player to represent Ireland in international draughts, but I have been unable to find any coverage at all of this in any Irish newspaper. The same editor who created this article also created and 2012 European championships of international draughts and 2014 European championships international draughts around the same time, and Stil is listed as finishing 64th and 75th respectively in those tournaments. Even if the tournaments themselves are notable per WP:NEVENT, finishing so low would not be any indication of notability in and of itself. I've tried to find better sources for the article and have asked at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ireland/Archive 17#Pascal Stil. I've also tried discussing things with the article's creator on Talk:Pascal Stil#Notability, but no better sources have been provided and the only comment from anyone else was that "he [Stil] looks notable". The notability issue was also discussed at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive 525#Notability issue and the same concerns were pointed out by others. Maybe this is just a case of WP:TOOSOON and the article can be redirected to one of the two tournament articles. Otherwise, I think is should be deleted for a lack of notability. -- Marchjuly (talk) 07:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of People-related deletion discussions. Marchjuly (talk) 07:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Ireland-related deletion discussions. Marchjuly (talk) 07:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Marchjuly (talk) 07:06, 4 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• As indicated above by Marchjuly and also by myself in previous talks about this page, there have been newspaper articles, but it's basically impossible to find these. If that means it results in the article being deleted as WP:TOOSOON I will have to accept that. Stil has indicated that he intends to take part in the 2017 World Championships, which is of course already more noteable in itself, and hopefully that will get some more media attention which might make it possible to recreate the page then.Belfastchild1974 (talk) 20:04, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
  • Another alternative to deletion or a redirect Belfastchild1974 might be WP:USERFY. The article could be moved back to "draft" status where you could continue working on improving it why looking for better sourcing. It might seem like a step backwards, but if Stil does receive better coverage in the future that "draft" could then be moved back to the article namespace. An administrator probably can do this for you, if it looks like Stil will eventually satisfy WP:GNG. You could then re-submit the draft via WP:AFC so that reviewers can assess it and provide suggestions on ways to improve it if necessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 23:40, 5 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
    • Thank you for that suggestion, Marchjuly. I wasn't aware of that option, but I think that would be a good option for pages that are considered WP:TOOSOON. Is there anything I need to do to make that happen rather than deletion of the page? Belfastchild1974 (talk) 22:58, 7 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]
      • Userfication may be possible as long as WP:USERFY#NO does not apply. The closing admin will assess the comments made here and determine if a consensus has been established either way. As long as there are no strong opposes to the idea, I think it should be OK. The only thing to do is wait until this AfD discussion is closed. -- Marchjuly (talk) 00:12, 8 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete or userfy. No arguments have been presented that suggest this person meets WP:NBIO or WP:NSPORT, and the sources in the article do not support GNG. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 05:12, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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