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The result was redirect‎ to [Ouzou Province#Districts]. Per discussion's decision Less Unless (talk) 05:31, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Azzefoun District[edit]

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Seems to be a typo/alternate spelling of Azeffoun. No sources; pretty much exact same coordinates. No content worth merging. —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 23:59, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Azzefoun redirects to Azeffoun, so it definitely could be an alternate spelling. —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 00:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect all to Tizi_Ouzou_Province#Districts. A banned user made hundreds of shitty one-line articles with no sources for Districts of Algeria. Arabic wiki says "The district does not have a legal personality, does not have financial independence, and does not have a legal or constitutional basis for its existence." so it's not clear that they need their own articles as purely administrative subdivisions. Reywas92^Talk 03:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Reywas92, thanks for finding that out! I would totally be fine with a redirect close. —asparagusus (interaction) ^sprouts! 13:22, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Its a district while Azeffoun is a municipality and it has several IW. Its normal for districts to have separate articles to settlements, see Wikipedia:Separate articles for administrative divisions to settlements. Crouch, Swale (talk) 18:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per Reywas92. The above-linked essay is unconvincing and of course not binding on anyone. FOARP (talk) 10:57, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect. Zero content. Nothing to differentiate it from the other spelling. Kathlene Smoot (talk) 00:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Question. Isn't it preferable, if as Reywas92 says the districts have little administrative function, to redirect to the town and commune of Azeffoun where there's an informative article rather than to a list of districts with no information other than names? Rupples (talk) 15:51, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Well the province has 21 districts and 67 communes. I don't know if this district consists of more than one commune, but if so it is probably not appropriate to redirect to one particular commune's article. Reywas92^Talk 16:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  @Reywas92 but the Azeffoun article is covering both the town and its district in the Geography section's list of villages. Is a reader looking for info. on the district likely to want info. on a list of other districts? I'd want to know what makes up this district. If we're not able to source whether there is one or several communes in the district, then just redirect to what readers are most likely looking for. When one clicks on Azeffoun in Google Maps, what I take to be the district boundary shows in a red dotted line. Roughly tracing this line with Google Maps distance calculator gives an area of 49 sq miles, consistent with the area stated in the article for the municipality of Azeffoun. Also, if the article is redirected to Tizi Ouzou Province#Districts all that will be shown is a name, unless it's decided to wikilink back to Azeffoun anyway. Your choice of redirect target is OK, but I think the reasons I've highlighted make Azeffoun a better one. Rupples (talk) 19:06, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Arabic article and map show the district has four communes (each of which has many villages). It would be highly misleading for this district article to redirect to just one of those. It would perhaps be best if the province article listed the districts with their communes together rather than separately. Searching for Azzeffoun on Google Maps shows the commune boundary, matching the map at Azeffoun, while typing in "Azeffoun district, Algeria" does show the full district boundary. Your proposal is almost like redirecting Los Angeles County to Los Angeles. Reywas92^Talk 19:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Yep. Independently came across the other outline map showing the four communes and was hastily going to withdraw my suggestion. Your redirect target stacks up, so happy to go along with it. Rupples (talk) 19:41, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect per Reywas92.  // Timothy :: talk  17:39, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per the concerns raised by the nominator. AllNotAll (talk) 18:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Mean Girls. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Gretchen Wieners[edit]

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Character shows no evidence of standalone notability and the article is mostly unsourced and written as fan blog. No sources with in-depth character discussion exist, all of her mentions come from sex appeal listicles. Character fails WP:SIGCOV and WP: NCHAR. Propose redirect as it can be described in a parent article, such as a list of characters. FuzzyMagma (talk) 14:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge and redirect the usable content. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish)} 15:42, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Redirect per above. Nothing in the article suggests this meets WP:GNG. But the nom should clearly report on their BEFORE. GScholar shows some mentions in passing, at minimum, so there is a chance something could be dug up to rescue this. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:23, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete missing indicators of WP:GNG, which needs more than passing mentions. Redirect is a valid WP:ATD. Shooterwalker (talk) 17:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. Mean Girls (2004 film) is a plausible merge/redirect target, this character is mentioned 4 times there. VickKiang (talk) 22:26, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Mean Girls. I found no evidence that the subject meets GNG. Please ping me if good sources are located. BennyOnTheLoose (talk) 22:52, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:56, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

In Praise of Hard Industries[edit]

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This article, and the linked (and exceptionally florid) one on its author, are the work of WP:SPAs, at least some of whom show signs of undisclosed paid editing. I don't see any evidence that this book is widely considered significant. A single book review does not, I think, confer notability. At best this would be a smerge to Eamonn Fingleton, though I am not sure that should exist either. Guy (help! - typo?) 15:58, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Delete: I found this article that might cite the book under its reprint title: [1], but it's paywalled. Otherwise nothing found. WeirdNAnnoyed (talk) 18:13, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep per the significant coverage in multiple independent reliable sources. Wikipedia:Notability (books)#Criteria says:

  A book is presumed notable if it verifiably meets, through reliable sources, at least one of the following criteria:

  1. The book has been the subject of two or more non-trivial published works appearing in sources that are independent of the book itself. This can include published works in all forms, such as newspaper articles, other books, television documentaries, bestseller lists, and reviews. This excludes media re-prints of press releases, flap copy, or other publications where the author, its publisher, agent, or other self-interested parties advertise or speak about the book.

  Sources
  1. Galbraith, James K. (1999-09-12). "Made in the U.S.A." The New York Times. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

     The review notes: "These are provocative arguments not very persuasively made. In Praise of Hard Industries is anecdotal, spurning statistics or other corroboration. It is overstated: American manufacturing isn't exactly dead, something that, reading between the lines here about Kodak and Boeing, one learns. The policy prescriptions (savings tax incentives, tariffs) are shallow."

  2. Campbell, Duncan (2001). "In praise of hard industries: Why manufacturing, not the information economy, is the key to future prosperity". International Labour Review. 140 (2): 215–216. ProQuest 223996617.

     The review notes: "This book fits comfortably within the comparative-styles-of-capitalism genre, and many of its central observations are not necessarily new. The author's critique of the short-term focus on profits rather than a long-term focus on productive efficiency is a case in point. ... But to equate the information economy with the knowledge-based service sector alone, as the author implicitly does, is excessively narrow. Information and communication technologies have transformed the manufacturing sector itself - in fact, in ways lucidly described by the author, who nonetheless stops short of showing how manufacturing is very much a part of the information economy."

  3. Buchholz, Todd G. (1999-09-20). "Bookshelf: A Fondness for Factories. In Praise of Hard Industries by Eamonn Fingleton". The Wall Street Journal. ProQuest 1798411839.

     The review notes: "Mr. Fingleton's "praise of hard industries" goes like this: Economics that focus on manufacturing are more durable, more dependable and better protected from competition that economies that rely on "soft industries" like, well, software, finance, health care and other services. ... But even if we accept Mr. Fingleton's assertions, doesn't the consumer benefit from competition?"

  4. Sixel, L.M. (1999-10-10). "A sophomoric argument for manufacturing". Houston Chronicle. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22.

     The review notes: "But In Praise of Hard Industries gives the impression that manufacturing is about as dead as a doornail and must make a comeback if the United States is to be great once again.The book, written by financial journalist Eamonn Fingleton, sets up a straw man - the service industry, which he refers to as "post-industrialism." ... Fingleton could be excused if he had done some original research to reach his conclusions. But he hasn't, relying mostly on previously published newspaper and magazine articles. Newspaper reporters, of course, are great sources of knowledge, but I was expecting something more original - and profound - from the book."

  5. Taylor, Gilbert (1999-09-15). "In Praise of Hard Industries: Why Manufacturing, Not the Information Economy, Is the Key to Future Prosperity". Booklist. Vol. 96, no. 2. p. 201. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22 – via Gale.

     The review notes: "For those dubious about the march of laissez-faire, Fingleton provides an infopacked argument with a nationalistic, Buchananite accent."

  6. Farris, Dale F. (1999-08-13). "In Praise of Hard Industries: Why Manufacturing, Not the Information Economy, Is the Key to Future Prosperity". Library Journal. Vol. 124, no. 13. p. 108. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22 – via Gale.

     The review notes: "Fingleton (Blindside), former editor with the Financial Times and Forbes, bravely challenges the current tendency to be awestruck by the information or postindustrial economy with this solid work on the many strengths of a manufacturing-based economy. ... An important work; highly recommended for all academic libraries."

  7. "In Praise of Hard Industries". Publishers Weekly. Vol. 246, no. 31. 1999-08-02. p. 65. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22 – via Gale.

     The review notes: "Bolstered by close analysis and chock full of intriguing examples of manufacturing triumphs and untapped opportunities, Fingleton's sobering report deserves close scrutiny by CEOs, labor leaders and policy makers."

  8. Boaz, David (November 1999). "In Praise of Hard Industries". The American Enterprise. Archived from the original on 2023-10-22. Retrieved 2023-10-22 – via Gale.

     The review notes: "In a book that cites as authorities cranks ranging from Germaine Greer to Ralph Nader to Pat Buchanan, it's no surprise to run across crank ideas from the mundane--like the Holy Grail of renewable energy--to the truly novel:"

  There is sufficient coverage in reliable sources to allow In Praise of Hard Industries to pass Wikipedia:Notability#General notability guideline, which requires "significant coverage in reliable sources that are independent of the subject".

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• Keep Full length reviews in NYT and WSJ, and in at least one academic journal, with Library Journal / Booklist / Publishers Weekly to round it out, is a clear WP:NBOOK pass. Jfire (talk) 04:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. I added the Houston Chronicle source from Cunard's list and another from the National Post. A lot could be fleshed out from those sources but notability should no longer be in question. BBQboffin (talk) 03:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was no consensus‎. Daniel (talk) 11:16, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Durwin Talon[edit]

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Non-notable illustrator. Sources are not independent sigcov needed to establish notability. Jdcooper (talk) 16:34, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: He appears at a few Comic Cons, but that's about the extent of coverage in Gnews, he moderated a panel in Vancouver for example. Nothing in RS we can use, what's in the article now isn't RS Oaktree b (talk) 00:54, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Per WP:Artist, an artist or other creative professional meets notability guidelines if "The person's work (or works) has ... (c) won significant critical attention." Talon definitely qualifies under this guideline. Already in the article are discussions and reviews of his work in Communication Arts (link), SilverbulletComicBooks (link 1 and link 2) and Multiversity Comics (link). In addition, his book Beautiful Scars was released by Archaia and distributed by Simon & Schuster with reviews in Whatcha Reading, Broken Frontier (link), League of Comic Geeks, University Affairs, Graphic Policy, and The Sonoma State Star. Finally, his book Panel Discussions: Design in Sequential Art Storytelling is reviewed and cited in a large number of places including this review in PressBooks, the Feb. 2015 issue of Print Magazine, The International Journal of Comic Art (Volume 6, 2004), The Use of Sequential Art in Literacy Instruction by Emilio Soltero from 2003, and The Everything Guide to Writing Graphic Novels from 2008. All of this shows Talon meets notability guidelines.--SouthernNights (talk) 19:21, 14 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I've checked several of the examples listed above as "significant critical attention" and sources like "Whatcha Reading" appear to be unreliable blogs, and sources like "League of Comic Geeks" and "University Affairs" only devote like a paragraph to this. This is not "significant critical attention." Elspea756 (talk) 01:12, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Per Wikipedia:Notability (people), "If the depth of coverage in any given source is not substantial, then multiple independent sources may be combined to demonstrate notability." I agree that individually the citations are not that in depth, but to me the citations combine to prove notability as per guidelines. SouthernNights (talk) 17:00, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  You've already said what you believe about these sources, and it is already very clear that we disagree. Elspea756 (talk) 21:13, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  All good. That's how these discussions go. In the end consensus is reached and it is what it is. SouthernNights (talk) 12:20, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• There's a broad claim to notability here, but I think the crux of the claim is on the significance of Panel Discussions: Design in Sequential Art Storytelling. There's little doubt that that book itself is notable based on the reviews and coverage linked above. What's unclear is whether the work is significant enough to meet WP:CREATIVE. In addition to the reviews above It seems like this work is pretty important among books about comics. Searching google books shows it in the bibliography of many books about comic, and it even has some citations on Google Scholar. It seems like there is a reasonable argument for WP:CREATIVE based on that book, likely augmented by their cover work for various comics, and game/card illustrations. A problem remains that the article is something of a CV, so I am currently stuck around very weak keep, which is barely different from just a comment. —siroχo 05:41, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep (very weak): sources just barely drag the article across the notability line.  // Timothy :: talk  20:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Bees IHC. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:58, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1995–96 Bracknell Bees season[edit]

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Fails WP:NSEASON. No notable content, so no need to salvage information. –Aidan721 (talk) 16:32, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Merge (a summary) to a higher level article. I agree there isn't a need for a standalone article, but straight deletion will not benefit readers. Thryduulf (talk) 17:41, 5 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete as unverified tables of statistics do not an article make. — Fourthords | =Λ= | 16:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Bees IHC, per much the same rationale as given at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2013–14 Invicta Dynamos season, and per indication there that the club article is an acceptable target, at least for the interim. Alpha3031 (t • c) 09:59, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 20:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2022 SGP3[edit]

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This page, along with 2023 SGP3, is just a list full of redlinks with no sources establishing notability. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish)} 16:35, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Catalogue entry, no evidence of significance, reception, etc. No pl wiki interwiki, references are just catalogue/database reports. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:17, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is a new competition in the Speedway world and it is extremely likely that the riders listed in this event will go on to become World or European champions in the future. Therefore the article page will become increasingly relevant over the coming years and references will increase significantly as the riders move up to the U19 and U21 age groups. Pyeongchang (talk) 14:40, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not exist to predict the future. See WP:CRYSTAL. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  06:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Google search brings up some Reddit threads and a couple of WP:ROUTINE news reports; nothing that has any significance. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  06:06, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep I'm confused as to why Wikipedia would not want an article on a sporting event that is covered live on TV in multiple countries throughout the world via Eurosport and Discovery+. It's a feeder competition for SGP and SGP2, in a similar vein as MotoGP3 and MotoGP2 is to MotoGP. It's an annual event for which there is already a main hub page. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 22:18, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  It still needs references to demonstrate its notability. I don't believe being on TV is considered notable by Wiki standards? KeepItGoingForward (talk) 21:15, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Sources don't demonstrate significance and searches by wiki users have not been able to find sources demonstrating significance that are not listed in the article. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 21:25, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Some of the information on the URLs has changed since the page's creation. I have now added the relevant news stories for each meeting to try and establish notability. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 14:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Wikipedia articles require independent secondary sources with in depth coverage of the subjects. None appear to be here. Kathlene Smoot (talk) 00:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Some of the information on the URLs has changed since the page's creation. I have now added the relevant news stories for each meeting to try and establish notability. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 14:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both. Fails GNG, sources in article and BEFORE showed routine brief news and database style pages, nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV, addressing the subject directly and indepth Above provides no sources to evaluate.  // Timothy :: talk  19:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 20:10, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 SGP3[edit]

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This page, along with 2022 SGP3, is just a list full of redlinks with no sources establishing notability. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish)} 16:36, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. Unlike 2022, this one has at least some minor coverage in refs like this. I am not impressed and leaning weak delete for now. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:19, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep This is a new competition in the Speedway world and it is extremely likely that the riders listed in this event will go on to become World or European champions in the future. Therefore the article page will become increasingly relevant over the coming years and references will increase significantly as the riders move up to the U19 and U21 age groups. Pyeongchang (talk) 14:37, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Potential of notability in the future is not a good enough reason to establish notability now. microbiologyMarcus ^{(petri dish)} 12:48, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Lack of SIGCOV in sources, which even then are limited to highly specialist publications dedicated to motorcycle racing. The link provided by Piotrus is a WP:PRIMARY reference, coming from the Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme itself. ― "Ghost of Dan Gurney" (talk)  06:11, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  While some references are specialist publications dedicated to motorcycle racing, they certainly aren't ALL like that. WP.pl (sportowe fakty) is one of the largest news agencies in Poland, akin to BBC.co.uk in the UK. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 22:11, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Those links are only to a general result page and are not articles demonstrating the notability of the race. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 21:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Apologies, Sportowe Fakty must have switched the meeting reports to different URLs since the article was created. I have now added the relevant meeting reports to references section, which should help establish notability of the races. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 14:18, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep I'm confused as to why Wikipedia would not want an article on a sporting event that is covered live on TV in multiple countries throughout the world via Eurosport and Discovery+. It's a feeder competition for SGP and SGP2, in a similar vein as MotoGP3 and MotoGP2 is to MotoGP. It's an annual event for which there is already a main hub page. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 22:16, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Same issues as discussed at Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/2022_SGP3. The sources mentioned here being from a significant source only are race results and not articles dedicated to the race. Minimal coverage not demonstrating significance. KeepItGoingForward (talk) 21:30, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The news articles from Sportowe Fakty have now been added to the references section. Johnny2hats2 (talk) 14:18, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete both. Fails GNG, sources in article and BEFORE showed routine brief news and database style pages, nothing that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV, addressing the subject directly and indepth Above provides no sources but a primary to evaluate.  // Timothy :: talk  19:38, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Tour of Romania. Daniel (talk) 20:11, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2023 Tour of Romania[edit]

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The 2023 Tour of Romania was cancelled.^[1] — Preceding unsigned comment added by Andrei Anghelov (talk • contribs)

• Redirect Redirect the page to Tour of Romania. Paulpat99 (talk) 09:18, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Keep cancelled events can still be notable, page would need to be rewordedYoblyblob (talk) 14:00, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep It's clear that it's not a cancellation, but a rescheduling into 2024 as it had already been delayed once and it was too late in the year. Best to keep the content for this page and rewrite it/move it once the 2024 details are clear. Nate • (chatter) 03:12, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  If you reschedule an annual event for the next year, it will be just the next event. Not that there will be both events next year. Andrei Anghelov (talk) 08:53, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  this race is not an annual race there are year gaps between the races. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 23:22, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect Redirect the page to Tour of Romania. No need for a separate page. Low importance cancelled event. The cause of cancellation is not notable either. --Andrei Anghelov (talk) 08:55, 18 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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●Keep- This is not an annual event, meaning there might not have been a planned event for 2024, meaning this is a rescheduling not a cancelation. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 17:57, 24 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Tour of Romania. Right now it's a cancelled event that doesn't pass WP:GNG. If the 2024 event happens, then an article for that year can be created and this could maybe be redirected there. But we don't need this stub article until then, as all the keep voters seem to want. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:06, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect to Tour of Romania. Subject does not pass the GNG as a cancelled event. While cancelled events can be notable, there is nothing suggesting that this one is. User:Let'srun 18:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  This is a postponed event not a canceled event. 😎😎PaulGamerBoy360😎😎 (talk) 03:45, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Which doesn't pass WP:GNG. For all your pedantry on postponed vs cancelled, you've not done anything to try and demonstrate it passes WP:GNG, which is the thing that's actually required for an article to be kept. Joseph2302 (talk) 08:38, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:24, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dimitris Pappas[edit]

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Does not meet WP:GNG, searching online primarily returned results about an unrelated actor who also does not appear to meet notability guidelines. _signed, Rosguill ^talk 23:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 15:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Fails WP:NBIO - the references are not nearly significant enough to justify notability. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:26, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete not notable footballer and per arguments above. --VertyBerty (talk) 08:38, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. RL0919 (talk) 06:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wizboy[edit]

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Nothing from my WP:BEFORE; only pseudo-notable thing about it is that it was Nickelodeon's most viewed premiere in a while 2605:B40:1303:900:A0E1:7DCB:3582:9C6F (talk) 01:00, 21 October 2023 (UTC) Submitted by UtherSRG (talk) 12:24, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Enforcers (comics). Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ox (comics)[edit]

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non-notable comic character, no non-primary sources, and it's mostly a plot summary. Industrial Insect (talk) 13:49, 12 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Incubate for all the reasons you listed. None of the sources are WP:SECONDARY. I suggest moving the article for now until secondary sources can be found so that all WP:GNG can be met.

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• Keep or merge with List of Marvel Comics characters: O in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 00:29, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wikipedia:LOSE. This article has existed for 17 years and has yet to see any major improvement. Industrial Insect (talk) 01:55, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    • The link has been corrected. --Rtkat3 (talk) 16:59, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge with List of Marvel Comics characters: O in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. You know how I was saying that the way you interact with others can be counter-productive? Jumping down the throat of anyone who votes a way you don't like does stuff like this. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 19:04, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - I found this,this, this, this, and WP:PRESERVE. PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 02:21, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The first source appears to be user generated, the second only lists his existence and nothing else, the third is only comics tagged with his name, and the 4th one is also user-generated. Industrial Insect (talk) 14:23, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Enforcers (comics), the group both incarnations were members of and where they are already covered. None of the sources presented above are actually valid significant coverage from reliable sources, and searches do not bring up anything that comes remotely close to passing the WP:GNG. I haven't looked into whether or not the Enforcers themselves meet the notability threshold for fictional groups, but as long as they have an article, it makes much more sense for that to be the target for any kind of Redirect or Merge, as these characters only real significance in comics comes from being part of that group, thus it would provide the most context for anyone searching for the character. Rorshacma (talk) 23:03, 13 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Enforcers (comics) all this in-universe information can be covered in that article, and I'd much rather this be redirected to the team article than a huge list article.Rhino131 (talk) 13:33, 16 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete or Redirect to Enforcers (comics). There is no significant coverage from independent sources to justify keeping this article. If the notability isn't there, there is nothing to WP:PRESERVE.-- Mike 🗩 20:05, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep or merge with List of Marvel Comics characters: O per WP:PRESERVE. BOZ (talk) 16:40, 21 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nomination. Non-notable chum. Llajwa (talk) 20:16, 23 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:GNG. Normally a merge could be appropriate but this article has only primary sources as references. There's nothing to merge. --Mika1h (talk) 17:27, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment to User:Liz: if it helps achieve a consensus, I'd agree with Enforcers (comics) if BoomboxTestarossa and Rtkat3 would concur? BOZ (talk) 00:04, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment to @Liz: and @BOZ:. While both brothers who called themselves Ox are members of the Enforcers, there are other characters who have called themselves Ox like the outlaw who is not mentioned and the member of China Force. If you pitch the idea to merge Ox to Enforcers, where will the other characters named Ox go? List of Marvel Comics characters: O? I'm just asking here. --Rtkat3 (talk) 01:32, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment: He does have one more RS: [2] BOZ (talk) 22:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  But it is just a plot summary... _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:45, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Enforcers (comics) per WP:ATD. Open to other targets and this can be worked out through editing. Shooterwalker (talk) 03:50, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per above unless someone tells me which sources are reliable and meet SIGCOV. Sources mentioned above have been criticized and I AGFed that critique. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 11:44, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Enforcers (comics) per above.  // Timothy :: talk  21:20, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Wireless LAN. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

MDU Wi-Fi[edit]

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Unsourced stub. Tagged for more sources since 2011, but no improvements have been made. No evidence whatsoever of notability. CycloneYoris ^talk! 22:25, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• I think even if not quite enough for a standalone article, we could potentially write something about larger scale WLAN deployments not quite the size of a campus network (CAN), and Building area network redirects to WLAN currently also. I'm going to go with redirect to Wireless LAN (I don't see the point of going for a specific section for now). Alpha3031 (t • c) 12:42, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Shunde, China Furniture Wholesale Market[edit]

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I agree with the template added almost a decade ago; this appears to lack WP:N. I appreciate it is difficult to come by sources for Chinese places, but it lacks reliable secondary sources. An attempt to find sources when translating into Chinese has also turned up nothing notable. Nonovix (talk) 23:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, per WP:GNG. I've also tried to find sources, but nothing turned up that wasn't them talking about themselves. Hasn't had any substantial contributions to fix the glaring issues with the promotional tone and lack of sources. I am aware that it is not warranted to delete an article just because it is badly written, but this one also has little to no sources. You can't polish a turd; no matter what, it'll still look icky. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:11, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Runs right up to the line on WP:PROMOTION, and doesn't meet notability anyway. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:28, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Needs independent sourcing, which appears to be absent. Kathlene Smoot (talk) 00:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. per consensus in discussion Less Unless (talk) 05:39, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

List of Fatah members[edit]

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Kind of a pointless list containing a random mishmash of Fatah-affiliated individuals, but with no clear rhyme or reason for inclusion. More appropriate as a category, which already exists. Longhornsg (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Comment: Not sure I understand the "no clear rhyme or reason for inclusion" point here - it appears fairly obvious that it is a largely a list of senior Fatah members, most of which are notable, though the red links of course need clearing out. As a list of notable senior individuals within a very notable organization, there is a pretty obvious point to it. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There are 88+ Fatah-associated individuals with Wikipedia articles. Why are some included on this list and others not? Why are individuals without a page included on this list and others not? What's the inclusion criteria that would make this list meet WP:NLIST? What's the point of this page instead of just the category? There's also a strong argument to be made that the page should be blanked because nothing is sourced. Longhornsg (talk) 05:47, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

As I said, they are senior. Are you suggesting that you are unable to find sources out there in the world that provides a list of senior Fatah personnel? WP:BEFORE applies just as much to list deletion discussions as any other, and notability is based on the literature available out there in the world. Did you do this? For example here is a list of Fatah revolutionary council members, and in fact perhaps a title along those lines might help focus the scope, but lists of members of political bodies are plentiful. Is your next AfD nomination going to be for List of Likud Knesset members? Iskandar323 (talk) 06:37, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, would appreciate keeping the discussion to the article and not the editors. But would point out WP:OTHERSTUFF and note a non-consensus AfD discussion for that article. In addition, that the article subject is discussed as a group and group inclusion criteria is discrete, satisfying WP:NLIST in my eyes. The Fatah article, on the other hand, does not. There are thousands of Fatah members, and there's rightly not a List of Republican Party members, for example. Happy to entertain a discussion about narrowing the scope of the article to the Revolutionary Council, for example, that is discussed as a group and is more defined as a possible list subject. Longhornsg (talk) 06:50, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I've split the list into founders (a very discrete group) and other senior members that represent a less discernable grouping for the aid of this thread. Red linked entries were removed. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:46, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

An example source grouping Fatah founders specifically can be found here in an encyclopedic resource maintained by the Institute of Palestine Studies and Palestine Museum. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:49, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep in some form. A list of Fatah founders and prominent early members has been found in this tertiary, encyclopedic source produced by the Institute of Palestine Studies, which puts that part on sound footing. Iskandar323 (talk) 08:24, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep yes there is a category for the Fatah members, but still this list is necessary to present the members of Fatah with no page in WP. So it is helpful for editors. Egeymi (talk) 10:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep but restrict to those with articles rather than red links. Kathlene Smoot (talk) 00:32, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep: Agree with the above, WP:CLN specifically allows for this type of article for navigation purposes. I think the red links should go even though they are sourced since this is a navigation list, not a normal list that needs to meet NLIST. The list appears to have a well defined inclusion criteria (what a concept, hope it catches on), and the list looks like it is adhering to the criteria. I just spot checked the list, not a complete check, but I think @Iskandar323: and @Egeymi: have looked at the list more carefully and would have raised an inclusion issue if present.  // Timothy :: talk  00:02, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Newport Cricket Club[edit]

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Non-notable run-of-the mill club, fails notability guidelines JMHamo (talk) 21:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Delete, fails WP:GNG and WP:SIGCOV. There is nothing at the moment suggesting that they are anything other than a bog standard, dime-a-dozen, local cricket club. All the sources I could dig up were extremely local news, which suggests a failure of SIGCOV in particular. Grumpylawnchair (talk) 03:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Does not meet WP:GNG on any significant level. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:32, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 23:30, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Joe Tyler[edit]

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I have carried out WP:BEFORE for this article about a skier, and have added a reference, but it is a passing mention and not an independent source. There are no other references in the article, though there are some external links. I have not found anything else to add. I have looked at the person's list of results and I don't think he meets WP:NSPORTS, WP:GNG or WP:ANYBIO. The article was tagged for notability in 2009, but the tag was removed without comment in 2012. Tacyarg (talk) 21:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Blackwood Town Cricket Club[edit]

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Fails general notability, previously PROD'ed JMHamo (talk) 21:17, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete. Per nom. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 22:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Single source article that doesn't really meet WP:RS. Can't really find anything else to justify this article. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:33, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:29, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hus Gallery[edit]

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No indication of notability. It appears that the enterprise was short-lived and I couldn't find any sources discussing it in depth, other than a 3-minute advertorial video. The article has been tagged for notability for 5 years. PaulT2022 (talk) 20:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Only one of the references is marginally relevant to ascertaining notability, but aside from that seems to fail WP:GNG. --Uhooep (talk) 14:06, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: I am not finding evidence that this art dealership attained notability. AllyD (talk) 09:01, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Solicitor General of Ohio#List of Solicitors General. Daniel (talk) 11:18, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Alexandra Schimmer[edit]

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Per Wikipedia:WikiProject United States courts and judges/Notability, "Persons whose names are floated by the executive branch as being under consideration for nomination are not inherently notable". I don't see notability arising in any of the subject's other activities, and the sources are not sufficiently independent or in-depth. BD2412 T 20:44, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - She received a BA degree at Princeton University, her Master of Philosophy at Cambridge University, and her Juris Doctorate at Yale Law School. She was Solicitor General of Ohio 2011–2013, and otherwise argued a case before the US Supreme Court in 2012. Her being floated for a spot on the US Supreme Court indicates she has an impressive legal background to even be considered. — Maile (talk) 21:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Her name is being floated for a circuit court of appeals, not the Supreme Court. Her degrees are impressive, but impressive degrees do not confer notability. I don't believe we count state solicitors general as automatically notable, and arguing a SCOTUS case is just a function of that job. BD2412 T 21:49, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete would not consider the Ohio Solicitor-General position itself within the ambit of WP:NPOL so presumed notability does not apply. Other than the National Law Journal piece, I've not found anything else to provide multiple SIGCOV reliable sourcing for a satisfactory pass of the WP:GNG. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 22:43, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep; Solicitor General of Ohio is a "state/province–wide office" under WP:NPOL, akin to Ohio Attorney General. TJRC (talk) 03:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep: per TJRC--Ipigott (talk) 07:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep per WP:NPOL. Djflem (talk) 14:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment @Ipigott, Djflem, and TJRC: I'm not wedded to my delete !vote but would like to understand the justification for an WP:NPOL pass here. Not all state wide offices are intrinsicaly notable - for example, the Delaware director of animal services is a state-wide office, but I do not think there is community consensus that the proverbial dog-catcher is accorded presumed notability. The Ohio Socilitor-General does not sit in the Cabinet of the Governor of Ohio, and we've usually accorded state-level cabinet members presumed notability. The Ohio Solicitor-General reports to the Ohio Attorney-General. Certainly, I would accord presumed notability to the Attorney-General, who does not sit in the cabinet, but as chief law officer of the state is clearly a notable position. But the solictor-general is the deputy to the AG ... Where then is the dividing line for an NPOL pass? Is it offices that require approval from the legislature? (I believe the SG is not legislature approved, but appointed by the AG). We need some agreed dividing line, otherwise we've got an endless list of statewide offices to accord presumed notability (State Librarian of Ohio?). Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 00:17, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I was thinking exactly this. BD2412 T 01:20, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Ohio Solicitor General represents the entire state in all appellate proceedings, including befor the US Supreme Court, the Ohio Supreme Court and federal appellate courts (generally the Sixth Circuit). It is of considerably more import than animal control. TJRC (talk) 00:48, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    Two points, first, I'm not suggesting it's equivalent in status to animal control, just that the application of "state-wide office" in NPOL needs to have limits, it's not *every* state-wide position and the discussion is where to draw the limit that confers *presumed* notability. Second, you've made assertions for the notability of the office, for which we already have an article, which is not quite the same as indicating why every holder of the office should be accorded presumed notability. What about the Clerk or Reporter of the Ohio Supreme Court - by most of the elements you've chosen those offices would be notable - should we confer presumed notability on every reporter and clerk of a US state Supreme Court? (IMHO, no). Regards, Goldsztajn (talk) 05:52, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Subject does not meet the GNG due to a lack of WP:SIGCOV. As she was appointed to the position of solicitor general, I don't think NPOL is a suitable inherent pass here, as otherwise the secretary of chickens would be notable. Arguing a case in front of the Supreme Court also does not lend to inherent notability. I do agree with Goldsztajn that there needs to be more clarity here. User:Let'srun 18:40, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Subject would not fall under WP:NPOL in my opinion as she was not a candidate for office. She was appointed and the position is not the same level as the attorney general. Even if it did apply, there are not enough reliable sources to create more than a few sentences without the use of WP:OR. --CNMall41 (talk) 20:40, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect: to Solicitor General of_Ohio#List of Solicitors General. State solicitor generals do not meet WP:NPOL as they are not a statewide cabinet official. The subject does not appear to pass WP:GNG at the moment. Curbon7 (talk) 20:29, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I would be fine with the proposed redirect. BD2412 T 22:10, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect revising !vote, good ATD suggestion from Curbon7. Regards, --Goldsztajn (talk) 01:16, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to the suggested target, as a WP:ATD. Let'srun (talk) 01:47, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as Solicitor General of Ohio. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Solicitor General of_Ohio#List of Solicitors General and an ATD. Fails WP:GNG and the position itself appears to be a deputy attorney general role that is at the discretion of the AG without any sort of confirmation from the state legislature or approval by the governor (let alone an elected position) so I don't think it would grant an WP:NPOL pass. Best, GPL93 (talk) 13:41, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect per GPL93.Mpen320 (talk) 23:55, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Redirect to Solicitor General of_Ohio#List of Solicitors General as an AtD, if sources are found the history will still be available, so nothing is lost. I agree that NPOL does not apply and do not think GNG has been met. If someone searches legal databases and comes up with SIGCOV, ping me.  // Timothy :: talk  00:15, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:36, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Felipe Chamorro[edit]

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Not a G4, but unclear whether factors have changed sufficiently since the prior AfD, so bringing it for discussion. Star Mississippi 20:29, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep - has had a national team call-up since last AFD and there is more coverage as a result, see e.g. this. GiantSnowman 15:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep, passes GNG with significant coverage on page.--Ortizesp (talk) 20:45, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Per above. Young player wiht ongoing pro vcareer who ahs already been called up to national team and has sources. Thanks, Das osmnezz (talk)

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The result was keep‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:06, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

K-9 Mail[edit]

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Sources do Not Provide evidence that this app is notable, sources are all routine coverage. See related AFD Discussion: Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Samsung Email PaulGamerBoy360 (talk) 19:04, 19 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep This may not be as competitive currently, but it holds great historical significance as one of the first apps to give users a choice beyond the default for email on Android. I've added a couple sources from books in the early 2010s showing that this was an important application for email. On a less grounded note, Mozilla has recently acquired this application with a goal of revitalizing it. If the page isn't significant enough for historical reasons, I'd like to request that the deletion gets delayed for a bit (maybe a year?) to see if it regains a greater following. I think this would be preferable to deleting it now only to re-create it in the future when it is even more notable. Teeks99 (talk) 02:15, 20 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, RL0919 (talk) 20:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. In addition to the sources in the article already, Linux Voice did a decent little review of it [5] in 2014. Was included in The Rough Guide to the best Android apps [6] and many more small capsule reviews. Skynxnex (talk) 20:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep Changes since the nomination have added three additional refrences, there is definitely room for improvement but its also definitely notable. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 22:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 23:31, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

DeArrow[edit]

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Lacking WP:GNG - Found only two sources, both of which lack depth of coverage; I feel these do not constitute reliable sources nor display significant coverage. Ingrinder (talk) 19:35, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete had a bit of coverage but mostly of the press release type, so even within the techsphere not really notable yet. Skynxnex (talk) 21:03, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Speedy Delete Fully promotional only online coverage I can find is press releases no devolepement or reception info. Only citation is to its github.Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Transwiki to Wikibooks, then delete Encyclopedically useful, but not notable enough. Erkin Alp Güney 05:47, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - Article fails WP:GNG, WP:NSOFT, and WP:NORG (via WP:PRODUCT). I similarly could not find any sources online that would contribute to the subject's notability. - Aoidh (talk) 16:59, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:27, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Top Shelf Coffee[edit]

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Non-notable. Fails NCORP Graywalls (talk) 19:00, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete per nom. The original creator appears to have been an owner advertising the shop. Regardless, there are not any reliable sources that show noteworthiness here. Conyo14 (talk) 21:48, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete - I cannot find any source that meets WP:ORGCRIT. --CNMall41 (talk) 06:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Nearly being selected by the NBA does not fulfill WP:SIGCOV. Also fails WP:ORG overall. — HelloAnnyong ^{(say whaaat?!)} 01:35, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was draftify‎. Consensus below not to retain the article and various ATD's were suggested to provide opportunity to work content into various other articles, I think this may be the best option. Daniel (talk) 11:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Ottoman Muslim genocide during the Balkan Wars[edit]

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Content WP:FORK of Persecution of Muslims during Ottoman contraction. Purpose of creating it is to add "genocide" to the title without going through a formal move request, even though the literature does not describe these events as genocide. Khirurg (talk) 18:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Draftify This article is not a POV or content fork. Most of this content is completely original and is not covered in the page you mentioned. The page you're referring to is about the persecution of Muslims from the 19th and early 20th century, which briefly mentions the Balkan Wars. If you believe "genocide" isn't the right term to use, you can request the article to be renamed on the talk page. PS: This article probably needs more time in the draftspace because of issues pointed out by other editors. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Also, on the Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction article, there is a tag stating that the article lacks focus on a specific event. So, the creation of this page (and others that fall under the same umbrella as the broader article) is warranted. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  But couldn’t you just expand that article? GOODraspberries (talk) 13:25, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I feel like it would make it less clunky and pore precise and detailed to have a separate / main article covering it SamuelLion1877 (talk) 14:54, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The thing is that the article already lacks focus, so adding more information about each individual event would make the article worse and too long to read or navigate properly. Yung Doohickey (talk) 20:53, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Hmmm okay makes sense GOODraspberries (talk) 16:29, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. I see several references of dubious reliability. Some suffer from being written during or immediately after the conflict. The page's creator argues above that they were spurred to create it by a note on Persecution of Muslims during Ottoman contraction which says the article lacks focus on a specific event. However, this new article is certainly not a solution—heck, it addresses the persecution of Jews in one of the few completed sections. ~ Pbritti (talk) 23:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The reason Jews are mentioned because the article was originally created with the name "Genocide of Ottoman civilians in the Balkan Wars," but was changed in good faith by another editor. If sources are dubious/unreliable, it would be more productive to resolve issues like this on the talk page instead of deleting an entire article about human rights violations. Yung Doohickey (talk) 03:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Exactly, or to simply delete pieces inside the article that are referenced with "dubious" references, not delete the entire article. If you spill milk on your kitchen floor do you burn down your entire house? SamuelLion1877 (talk) 03:46, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  That's certainly an interesting thought experiment. Anyhow, this is not milk, but a policy violation. See nom for rationale. ~ Pbritti (talk) 03:54, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Alright, well as I said, this seems like a fairly minor issue than be solved by simply renaming the article and posting in the article's talk page, not deleting the entire article. SamuelLion1877 (talk) 03:57, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  "My idea, which I posted in the talk page of the article when this was first posted, was to rename the article to "Massacres of Ottoman Muslims during the Balkan Wars" and delete the section about Jews, since as Pbritti noted, that contradicts the title itself. Or rename it to "Massacres of Ottoman civilians during the Balkan Wars" and keep the Jewish section" dito SamuelLion1877 (talk) 03:58, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I do ultimately think we should revert back to the original naming convention of "Ottoman civilians" regardless of if it's called genocide or not because a relatively sizeable part of these events were against (outside of Islam) Jews and especially Albanian Catholics, who were targeted, similarly to the Muslims, on the basis of religion and ethnicity. Yung Doohickey (talk) 04:45, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Agreed, however, these deaths are counted separately by the sources, there is already a very complete and polished article about the massacres of Albanians that took place during the Balkan Wars Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars, the up to 120,000 or more Albanian deaths are counted separately from the 632,000-1.5 million Turkish / Pomak deaths. See my latest revision of the page, thanks SamuelLion1877 (talk) 05:39, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I also think the article has a better chance of staying up with my revision, if anybody disagrees and has other ideas, feel free to let me know, SamuelLion1877 (talk) 05:42, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  I fail to see how this is a content fork, as Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction only briefly mentions the events, as it is not the main focus of that article. This article also includes (and should include), as I mentioned before, killings of Catholics and Jews, making it include information outside of the scope of the article of persecution of Muslims, albeit, marginally. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:26, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I understand if the terminology "geocide" may be controversial to some, however, this can be addressed by compromising. Deletion is extreme and unnecessary. Plenty of sources are given, and almost all of them that I see are reliable per Wikipedia guidelines. It seems that some are claiming they are unreliable simply because they personally disagree with them, which is ridiculous. My idea, which I posted in the talk page of the article when this was first posted, was to rename the article to "Massacres of Ottoman Muslims during the Balkan Wars" and delete the section about Jews, since as Pbritti noted, that contradicts the title itself. Or rename it to "Massacres of Ottoman civilians during the Balkan Wars" and keep the Jewish section — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamuelLion1877 (talk • contribs) 03:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a content fork. Srnec (talk) 14:34, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • On second thought, draftify. There is too much overlap for mainspace, but we should figure out how we want to cover this material before outright deletion. Srnec (talk) 15:12, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

    This is actually a very good compromise. I will admit, I rushed this article out when it was unpolished and mostly contained content from Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction and Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars (which doesn't really have this issue anymore thanks to @SamuelLion1877), because I had planned to expand upon it over time. I should've either created it as a draft or perfected it before creating it to avoid this issue. Yung Doohickey (talk) 20:43, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge/redirect -- The only substantive section is "Atrocities against Turks and Pomaks". The break up of the Ottoman Empire was in the nature of a civil war, in which villages were burnt and their population expelled. That section might be merged to Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction or become a separate "main" article (actually sub-article) to it. I expect that some people were killed, but not on the systematic scale to justify the use of "genocide", unlike wat the Ottoman Turks did to their Armenian and some other Christian subjects. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The Balkan Wars, specifically, were not in a nature of a civil war. I would argue it can fit the definition of genocide since most of the pre-war Muslim population was removed from the former Ottoman territories, this is unlikely to happen if the atrocities weren't systematic (like it is claimed in both contemporary and modern reports). This article ultimately should be its own thing considering the sheer scale of the events happening in the span of one year. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete this article is a duplicate of Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars and Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction. Some of the information here can be valuable, and it can be easily integrated into those articles.

Finally the title controversially uses the term genocide which would imply an intentional and systematic persecution of these peoples aimed at their destruction. I don't think that happened. I don't like the word genocide being thrown around lightly. Even if it is used by some scholars to describe these events it is defitinvely not the mainstream view. For this reason I would also support deletion to avoid having a redirect like this. Super Dromaeosaurus (talk) 18:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The article simply summarizes the Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars to avoid duplicated content. Most of the information on this page is not in the Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction, since this article was meant to go into far more detail on these specific events, while including other victims other than Muslims, at least initially. "Genocide" has been removed from the title. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:05, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also, this article has only existed for less than a week, give it more time to expand. Yung Doohickey (talk) 19:15, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete The article does offer some valuable content. However, its extensive focus on atrocities against Jews, Albanians, and Bosniaks seems rather repetitive and raises questions about its necessity overall. Integrating the content into related articles would seem like a good option. --Azor (talk). 21:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Can you elaborate as to how including Jews, Bosniaks, and Albanians is repetitive. Atrocities against Jews during the Balkan Wars are not mentioned prominently anywhere on this site, as far as I know. Yung Doohickey (talk) 21:29, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Renamed article: it seems the word genocide it too controversial, thus I have renamed the article to “massacres of ottoman Muslims during the Balkan Wars” rather than genocide. — Preceding unsigned comment added by SamuelLion1877 (talk • contribs) 18:18, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete this article is a WP:FORK of the Persecution of Muslims during Ottoman contraction. Jingiby (talk) 04:44, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: article is a POV CFORK dup of Massacres of Albanians in the Balkan Wars and Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction.  // Timothy :: talk  04:56, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• I'd argue, as I did before, that this article is not a content fork because Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction doesn't go into detail about the massacres in the Balkan Wars, but the persecution of Muslims in and around the Ottoman Empire from the 19th century to the early 20th century. This article was created to go into a greater depth in a manner that would be inappropriate for the aforementioned article (since the Balkan Wars is not its main focus). Thanks, Yung Doohickey (talk) 20:26, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: As POV fork of various articles: Persecution of Muslims during the Ottoman contraction etc.Alexikoua (talk) 21:18, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Extraordinary Writ (talk) 23:26, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lisa McKenzie[edit]

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This article puzzles me, and I don't think the subject meets any relevant notability criteria. She certainly fails WP:PROF. (I suspect the article is out of date -- I don't think she is employed by Durham anymore, and I'm not sure she's employed as an academic anywhere.) There is of course a bit of coverage regarding her arrest, but not enough to satisfy WP:PERP. Most of the sources are not secondary; there's too much use of sources authored by her. I don't think we need this one. Nomoskedasticity (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Weak Keep Have changed my !vote based upon what others have found and added to the article. Delete per nom. Clearly, notability has not been shown. A search turned up nothing but a mention here and there about the subject or her children. Very few secondary sources found and not enough to show notability. −AuthorAuthor (talk) 18:13, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - There are a few reviews of her Policy Press book. (1) Guillaume, Céile. Revue Française de Science Politique, vol. 66, no. 6, 2016, pp. 1049–51. JSTOR, http://www.jstor.org/stable/44122354. Accessed 26 Oct. 2023. (2) link (3) link. Suspect it's not enough for an WP:NAUTHOR pass, but editors with more knowledge about academic reviews will have to chime in. Suriname0 (talk) 18:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• weak keep her book has multiple reviews and a high citation count for this field (over 500) which means she is close to the bar to pass NAUTHOR or by an academic criterion. Taking this together with her political activism and her coverage there paints a picture of multiple independent pillars of notability adding up to a weak keep. Each by itself would not sufficient but taking together it seems they are. --hroest 19:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep. Her book Getting by: Estates, class and culture in austerity Britain has 579 citations in GS and several reviews, and another research paper has >100 citations; there are also multiple independent sources covering her activism and political candidacy already in the article. ETA: She is still an academic, now at the University of Bedfordshire [7]. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:39, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Espresso Addict: So, which notability standard does she meet, in your view? e.g., which component of PROF? Nomoskedasticity (talk) 06:21, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

[For some reason your ping did not go through.] A mixture of WP:PROF by citations in a niche area, WP:AUTHOR by reviews, plus GNG by other coverage, but fundamentally how does it improve the encyclopedia to delete this article on an unsual case of a working-class woman in academia? Espresso Addict (talk) 22:32, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep I have updated the article to show her current status as senior lecturer at the University of Bedfordshire, which the nominator didn't find. Appears clearly notable - articles about her, as well as by, in The Guardian, etc. PamD 07:41, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Comment My expansion of the article to discuss Lockdown Diaries was removed by the deletion proposer with the complaint that it relied on primary sources. Tagging with {{cn}} or similar might have been more constructive, in the spirit of working to improve the encyclopedia as opposed to being keen to get rid of this article. I don't think the Middlesex uni news item can be called primary, but anyway have reinstated the paragraph, added a new independent source and reused one which was used elsewhere. PamD 17:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Weak keep. I added seven published reviews to her 2015 book (the three linked above and four more) and two more of a 2017 co-edited volume. If we had that many reviews in total of two authored books it would be enough for me. The "articles about her" in the Guardian appear to be routine election coverage of a type that would not appear to pass WP:NPOL. Which leaves only the "Cereal Killer" affair, which by itself would not pass WP:BIO1E. But adding it all together I think she squeaks by. —David Eppstein (talk) 21:35, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep I have added her Scopus profile to her wikidata record: [8]; it provides further evidence of a healthy number of academic citations. Coupled with secondary book reviews identified above, and further coverage in WP:RS then I consider this a pass. ResonantDis_tortion 12:33, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. If memory serves, the late DGG used to advise the following threshold for humanities/social studies PROF 1 test: at least 2 books by solid commercial or academic publishers. Getting By would seem to be one of these. However, McKenzie seems to be at least mid-career, but does not have a publication record that clearly places her above the average professor in this sense. Much of the article is about her political activism, for which she is not notable. I presume this article will be kept, which I think reflects the notability standards have eroded considerably over time. 128.252.172.17 (talk) 22:28, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Going by the book-review standard alone, this would be a borderline case, with considerations pointing in different directions. On the one hand, one of the books has well over the minimum number of reviews we'd ask for. On the other hand, the other two books are an edited collection and a co-edited volume. Having coverage of other things pushes in the direction of a keep. XOR'easter (talk) 15:05, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was keep‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:15, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Lal Pratap Singh[edit]

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The only citation is a stamp. In short, we know no verifiable information about this individual except that the Indian postal services issued a stamp in his name RegentsPark (comment) 16:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment: If there is a postage stamp is there not presumed notability? 🇺🇦 Fiddle^Timtrent Faddle^Talk to me 🇺🇦 16:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  for having a photo on a stamp? I suppose, but we need something to back up the reason why, hence the need for extensive sourcing. Oaktree b (talk) 17:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Also, note that a stamp is a WP:PRIMARY source and stamps are often introduced for political reasons. Based on the stamp, we can't say if this person actually existed, if he did, when he existed, and assuming all that, what he is notable for. Technically, all our article should consist of is the sentence Lal Pratap Singh is the name on a stamp issued by the Indian postal service.RegentsPark (comment) 16:10, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Except that you performed WP:BEFORE before nominating and found that he did exist and has coverage in reliable sources. What sources appear in the article, whether they are WP:PRIMARY or not, is completely irrelevant. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 23:03, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep: *It is not common in India to get your photo in stamp, only most notable peoples get it. It means that it passes first criteria of ANYBIO. ​​​​​​​𝐋𝐨𝐫𝐝𝐕𝐨𝐥𝐝𝐞𝐦𝐨𝐫𝐭𝟕𝟐𝟖🧙‍♂️^{Let's Talk !} 15:28, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep -- What I was brought up to call the Indian Mutiny of 1857 is now called the Indian rebellion or first war of independence, looking at events from an Indian POV. In deciding to put his face on a stamp, the Indian Post Office is presumably identifying him as notable. Without that, as the commander of a small military unit, he would probably be NN. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:10, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep - Notable subject. Hawkeye7 (discuss) 20:23, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - clearly notable Worldiswide (talk) 04:26, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 11:20, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Dejan Trajkov[edit]

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Disputed draftification. Subject doesn't appear to pass WP:NPROF. I am not sure being the ex-director of the Institute of Immunobiology and Human Genetics makes them notable but, at the very least, there should be reliable sources to substantiate his notability, which there currently isn't. Hence, their notability status is debatable. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 16:07, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• delete His GS profile indicates one single highly cited paper which doesnt mention him by name as author (rather a consortium). I dont see how this would merit passing WP:NPROF#1; and NPROF#6 is also not applicable with the directorship of an institute. --hroest 19:24, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• keep his profile, this archived link (the link is currently dead) from the Institute for Immunobiology and Human Genetics in 2021 cites him as the Director of the Institute which fulfils NPROF#6. He is also one of the few people that practice Immunology in North Macedonia. Ivanavram (talk) 21:57, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ivanavram: I thought the directorship might meet NPROF#6, but the institute is part of a university, not independent, so it is not met. Therefore, I am advocating to delete. Quuxbazbarfoo (talk) 14:13, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Comment. I'd agree that the citations of the position paper are not discriminatory in this context, which leaves top citations 85,62,60,52,49 -- respectable but probably not sufficiently exceptional in a relatively high-citation field. Espresso Addict (talk) 21:28, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. I don't see evidence of either WP:PROF or WP:GNG notability. —David Eppstein (talk) 06:43, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete BLP, fails GNG and NBIO, NPROF. I didn't look into the institute/position, because NPROF states, "any one of the following conditions, as substantiated through reliable sources, are notable." and the article and BEFORE didn't turn up anything that meets WP:IS WP:RS with WP:SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth to substantiate it, so NPROF is out due to lack of sources. BLPs require strong independent sourcing.  // Timothy :: talk  01:47, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:17, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

European Cricket Network[edit]

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Non-notable sporting organisation, has no jurisdiction over cricket in Europe which is the remit of the European Cricket Council, lacks any wider notability. Harrias ^{(he/him) • talk} 15:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: After revision deletion there is no way that this organization is notable at the slightest; the only source provided is likely promotional. HarukaAmaranth ^春_香 18:20, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: Not noteable.--AAonlyA (talk) 20:33, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Per HarukaAmaranth. This organisation has no governing remit over cricket in Europe. StickyWicket aka AA (talk) 06:20, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment - makes no odds if it "lacks remit" or "lacks jurisdiction", the criteria for notability and inclusion is being noted in reliable sources. That's the only point to discuss. I've been able to find a few sources that could be discussed for reliability including 1 and 2 and 3. I think there are probably more. JMWt (talk) 07:40, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Although there is some sourcing, I don't believe there is enough here to suggest notability. Rugbyfan22 (talk) 19:11, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Despite some sources, the organization's lack of governing remit over European cricket, alongside insufficient evidence of notability, supports its removal. --Rodgers V (talk) 13:08, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Hey man im josh (talk) 17:21, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Kramer Rocks[edit]

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Nothing much on the page to show notability, and the subject just appears to be a feature on a map JMWt (talk) 15:18, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment. At very least this is a candidate for redirect, not deletion. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:19, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Formally moving to Keep or Merge. Coverage of minor geographic features is part of the gazetteer function of the encyclopedia. According to the relevant guideline, Wikipedia:Notability (geographic features), "If a Wikipedia article cannot be developed using known sources, information on the feature can instead be included in a more general article on local geography. For example, a river island with no information available except name and location should probably be described in an article on the river." Espresso Addict (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia does not have a "gazetteer function", no consensus has ever found that it does. Wikipedia no more has a gazetteer function that it does a dictionary function (not least because gazetteers are a kind of dictionary). FOARP (talk) 21:49, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - Really doesn't seem worth redirecting or mentioning in another article since we have zero coverage to establish WP:DUE weight. –dlthewave ☎ 15:30, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Why on earth would you want to destroy a redirect? If someone wants to find information on this feature, they should be redirected to a source that will help them. Unless you are implying that the majority view is that these islands don't exist, "Due and undue weight" has absolutely nothing to do with this issue. Espresso Addict (talk) 22:16, 29 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

1) These are not islands, they are rocks.

2) Simply existing does not mean they warrant an article or even a redirect, particularly when the resulting article will not contain any actual information about them. Do we really mention every identifiable rock in a bay? No, because to do so would be entirely WP:UNDUE.

3) The sole evidence for their existence appears to be some photos taken from the air in 1956-7. I could not find anything at the location given in the article. FOARP (talk) 13:58, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

WP:UNDUE/WP:DUE relates to neutrality and has absolutely nothing to do with the question at hand. Please stop using these alphabet soups without clicking through to see whether they are relevant to the topic at hand. Espresso Addict (talk) 20:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Per WP:UNDUE: "Giving due weight and avoiding giving undue weight means articles should not give minority views or aspects as much of or as detailed a description as more widely held views or widely supported aspects." (my emphasis). WP:UNDUE is not only about points of view, it is also about coverage of extremely trivial aspects of a much larger thing, such as minuscule rocks in a wide bay. FOARP (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete - These are - at best - simple minor geological features that may be simple boulders sticking above the water some of the time, or not at all. Mentioning them in an article about a bay with an area of hundreds of square kilometres would be entirely undue. Wikipedia is an encyclopaedia, which means it summarises what is said in secondary sources, it is not a nautical chart that needs to mention every single feature. FOARP (talk) 14:03, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. Daniel (talk) 11:21, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Chris Kibermanis[edit]

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WP:BLP of a hockey player and political figure, not properly sourced as passing notability criteria for hockey players or political figures. In hockey he only ever played at the WHL level, which is not a level at which a person is "inherently" notable enough for an article, and was drafted by, but never actually played for, an NHL team -- and as a politician he was only ever an unsuccessful candidate, and never held any notable political office that would pass WP:NPOL at all.
A prod was recently declined on the grounds that he has "many mentions in newspapers due to his political aspirations" -- but run of the mill campaign coverage does not secure the notability of an unelected candidate in and of itself, because every candidate in every election everywhere can always show some evidence of campaign coverage. (Which means that if campaign coverage were all it took to give an unelected candidate a WP:GNG-based exemption from NPOL in and of itself, then every unelected candidate would always get that exemption and NPOL would be rendered unenforceable and meaningless.)
So campaign coverage does not build passage of GNG in and of itself: a person who had already passed a notability criterion (either as a hockey player or by winning the election and thereby holding the office) can use their campaign coverage as supplementary support for fleshing out the article with background information, but a non-winning candidate who has no other preexisting basis for notability does not clinch inclusion in Wikipedia on the basis of campaign coverage alone. Bearcat (talk) 14:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Comment If he won the seat in the provincial legislature, he would pass NPOL, but the article isn't on that point. An Alberta MLA is notable. Oaktree b (talk) 14:51, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

He didn't win the seat, and wasn't an MLA. Bearcat (talk) 14:06, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: Concur with Bearcat. The subject's hockey career comes not within a light-year of meeting any notability standard, he doesn't meet NPOL, and no evidence of passing the GNG beyond routine campaign coverage has been proffered. And somehow this article's already slipped through the cracks for seventeen years? Ravenswing 16:22, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Question: But isn't the fact that he was initially declared the winner of the incumbent's seat by only 5 votes and the recount gave it back to the incumbent by only 3 votes worthy of note? The incumbent's career could have ended after less than four years; instead, it lasted 14 years. That said, I can't say that his hockey career alone would warrant an article. MauriceYMichaud (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed, the incident is discussed extensively in the Edmonton-Castle Downs article. It doesn't therefore follow that Kibermanis himself merits a standalone article, when it would just reiterate the same information. Ravenswing 09:36, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

No, people being initially declared elected by the media on election night and then found to have lost on a recount are not notable for that per se: the final certified results (in which he wasn't the winner) are what's definitive when it comes to NPOL, not the initial media call. While things like that don't always happen in every election, it happens often enough that it isn't special in and of itself. The recount can be addressed in the electoral district article and/or the BLP of the winner, and doesn't automatically require a BLP of the loser to coexist on that basis alone. Bearcat (talk) 14:16, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was merge‎ to Cinema Sins. I've listed Merge here as the content needs to be merged to allow a redirect, as the target article currently doesn't include mention of Wins. Daniel (talk) 11:22, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

CinemaWins[edit]

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Procedurally nominating for deletion as the page was WP:BLARred and the WP:BLAR was contested. I will note, that the target of this as a redirect Cinema Sins does not currently contain information about this channel. TartarTorte 14:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Redirect: Article currently only referenced by two primary sources (both of which appear to be CinemaWins's YouTube channel). Should stay as a redirect. ★ The Green Star Collector ★ (talk) 15:36, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge Restore the redirect with added information. No independent sources. My solution is to convert the "Controversy and criticisms" section to a "Reception" section and give CinemaWins its own section. Questions? four OLIfanofmrtennant (she/her) 23:11, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

There's this source: https://www.avclub.com/tv/reviews/cinemawins-2015 110.175.62.4 (talk) 03:57, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete fails GNG. InfiniteNexus (talk) 04:05, 1 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:49, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Galin Bogdanov[edit]

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Soccerway stub with no evidence of meeting WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. The best sources that I could find in Bulgarian searches were Vitosha News, passing mentions in results listings, Gong, a single passing mention, and Blitz, a squad listing. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 14:05, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:42, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was soft delete‎. Based on minimal participation, this uncontroversial nomination is treated as an expired PROD (a.k.a. "soft deletion"). Editors can request the article's undeletion. ✗plicit 14:50, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Benjamin Clark (chef)[edit]

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I'm not seeing notability for this chef that died in the attack. Aftermath section is just people saying nice things about him, as you would at a funeral. Before his death, life appears rather routine. 20 years on, this appears as memorial, which wiki is not. Oaktree b (talk) 13:56, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Yiğit Koçak[edit]

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Fails WP:GNG. Kadı Message 13:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete Agree that it fails WP:GNG. Sources are mostly socail media. Knowledgegatherer23 (Say Hello) 14:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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• Delete: Fails WP:GNG, no reliable source to establish notability. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:06, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was delete‎. ✗plicit 13:40, 2 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bryan White Foundation[edit]

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Highly promotional article created by a now-blocked sockmaster; there is very likely a sock farm behind this with throwaway accounts making regular minor updates. Anyway, the organization does not seem to be notable at all, and the coverage reflects that--there's nothing but, at best, a few local notices. Drmies (talk) 13:23, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Non-notable entity, called a "sham" by local authorities. [9]. That's all the coverage there is, the rest is about xyz person from the foundation landing in the country, or having done charitable things. Oaktree b (talk) 17:54, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: promo puff for a non-notable entity. Vanderwaalforces (talk) 19:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: per Gsearch and comments by Oaktree b and Vanderwaalforces Cacaochippy (talk) 27 October 2023 (UTC)

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Meathead (band)[edit]

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No refs for many years on page. I don't see much that would suggest the notability criteria is met for a page on en.wiki - there are a few refs on it.wiki but these seem to be databases or encyclopedia JMWt (talk) 13:08, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Danylo Safonov[edit]

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None of the sources in the article give any indication of passing WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC. My own Ukrainian searches found nothing better than Kramatorsk Post, a hyper local news source that only mentions him once. I have checked the Ukrainian Wikipedia article and all of the sources used are database sources, so don't confer notability. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 13:01, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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The result was redirect‎ to Long John Baldry#EPs. Daniel (talk) 11:25, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Long John's Blues (EP)[edit]

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Fails WP:NALBUM.

PROD removed with "remove tag Long John Baldry was a very important person in the development of the British blues scene and all his recorded material is significant. It is also an element in the all-too-short British EP world"

But, notability isn't inherited. Must be shown why this EP is notable...especially since all the songs are found on a full length LP and the EP failed to chart. DonaldD23 talk to me 12:46, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Keep Well you have made an offer that I can't refuse. I learned long ago to stay out of the path of deletionists. I said my piece, you quoted chapter and verse. Now we wait for the tie breaker. Carptrash (talk) 19:21, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Absoutely none of that was policy based. It was WP:ILIKEIT and certainly won't be taken into account by any good admin when it comes time to decide if this stays or goes. DonaldD23 talk to me 20:15, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Redirect to Long John Baldry#EPs: I thought I had found a good source with the numerous mentions in this biography, but it appears those are all about the album of the same name. I couldn't find much else for either, but I imagine whatever else might've looked promising was probably for the album as well and this EP just got nothing. Not surprising for this type of release, or for one which didn't chart at all. And @Carptrash, I'd just like to remind you that AfDs are not about vote counts and there are no tie breakers. It's a matter of Wikipedia policy-based arguments. If you want this article kept, you need to back up your case. If you really did say your piece, at the very least perhaps you could restate that here so it's on the record. Would probably be a lot more helpful than what you have provided. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 20:25, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Baldry was a integral part of the British blues scene that developed in the late 1950s and early 1960s. This EP contains songs written be Willie Dixon, John Lee Hooker, and Jimmy Witherspoon, all important American bluesmen whose songs helped form the backbone of the British blues movement. The EP was a product of the British EP era that only really lasted until the mid 1960s, making most of them notable. Packaging album songs on EPs was done in Britain, our EP article states, “In Britain EPs were sometimes used to repackage songs that had previously been issued on albums. The Shadows released EPs The Shadows No. 2 and The Shadows No. 3 both of which included songs found on The Shadows album. The songs from Adam Faith's first album were also released on three EPs, all of which had the same cover as the album, but listed the tracks on the top. The Beatles EP Twist and Shout contained only songs found on their Please Please Me album.” Oh yes, and I do like it. Carptrash (talk) 16:29, 27 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing the due diligence @ QuietHere, not sure if you are suggesting that the article should be kept or not. I do find it fascinating that The Shadows EPs that I mentioned in my last posting have now been nominated for deletion. Pretty good chance those are articles started be me as well. I will likely bow out of all these discussions, having more pressing things to deal with. Carptrash (talk) 20:18, 28 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

@Carptrash you need to provide reliable secondary sources which confirm all these things you're claiming, or else it's all unverified original research. As I said above, I couldn't find any, and so I stand by my redirect vote, but if you can find appropriate sourcing, I may change my mind. QuietHere (talk | contributions) 16:44, 30 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt @QuietHere that I will have any better luck than you. I feel that all these EPs (I think there are 5 up for deletion, some are already gone, 3 days later) are notable but we know how far that gets one here. I have more pressing issues to deal with, so if my wikipedia legacy ends up with 20 EP articles, (or whatever it ends up being), being deleted, so be it. Carptrash (talk) 16:30, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is (opinion) only made stronger by the inclusion of niche articles that might not appeal to everyone. We have 6 and a half million articles, so they are not all for everyone. I believe (another opinion) that the British EPs era (ca. 1960 to 1967) is one of those corners and that this article casts a little light there. I also feel that serious editors should leave other serious editors alone. For those who just must have rules I will toss in Ignore all rules. Carptrash (talk) 19:53, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect. No need to delete. Keep the categories, remove the content and redirect until/unless someone can get sources to substantiate an article. ―Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:34, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I just added the source for much of the article. Carptrash (talk) 21:45, 31 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Long John Baldry#EPs: Fails GNG, NALBUM. No objection to someone finding or merging sourced content into a new section on the target, sourced content will improve the target; a redirect is all that is needed for the history here.  // Timothy :: talk  02:10, 3 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Vladyslav Kosov[edit]

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Played a small part in 2 matches for Chernihiv in the third tier of Ukraine in November 2020 then was apparently released and hasn't been heard from since. No evidence of WP:GNG or WP:SPORTBASIC being met and nothing found from reliable, independent sources in Ukrainian except for database sources like the ones already used in the article, which fail to establish notability per SPORTBASIC, which says Sports biographies must include at least one reference to a source providing significant coverage of the subject, excluding database sources Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 12:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete - no evidence of notability. If sources are found please ping me. GiantSnowman 18:41, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Kim Taylor Bennett[edit]

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Journalist who previously did some fairly low level presenting now apparently works for Spotify. But this is not linkedin WP:NOTCV. Not notable enough to have a page. JMWt (talk) 11:30, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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• Delete: Plenty of her interviews from Vice come up, but no sources talking about her. Routine position, working reporter. Oaktree b (talk) 17:58, 26 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Mykyta Hrebenshchykov[edit]

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