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The result was delete. ♠PMC♠ (talk) 21:11, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Jody Turner[edit]

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Not seeing independent in-depth coverage in reliable sources, either those in the article or elsewhere online - lack of WP:SIGCOV. Fails WP:GNG. Run-of-the-mill businessperson. Edwardx (talk) 20:02, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Academics and educators and Women. Shellwood (talk) 21:26, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Delete. I agree, I see no claim of notability here. CT55555 (talk) 23:18, 15 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Businesspeople-related deletion discussions. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 09:35, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Don't see how meets WP:GNG. Her writing and speaking does less to show notable than other independant people writing/speaking about her would do. -Kj cheetham (talk) 12:06, 16 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete: Not meeting notability guidelines Proton Dental (talk) 06:33, 17 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete It doesn't appear to meet WP:GNG. Agree with the nominator Kazanstyle (talk) 09:50, 20 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• If Jody Turner, one of few globally recognized female futurists, is not deemed notable enough for Wikipedia, then should her peers like Anne Lise Kjaer also be deleted? While I have updated her article for many years, I was not the original creator. If she met notability guidelines in the past, why would that be questioned today? Delcydrew (talk) 14:50, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  Wherether ALK should be deleted or not is off topic. I recommend we follow the advice of the essay WP:WHATABOUT and concentrate if this article should exist. The presence of reliable, independent sources with significant sources should be what informs us. WP:GNG contains guidance on that. I also don't think it has been established if she met notability guidelines in the past or not, but the key thing is if she does today. If you want this kept, you can immediately persuade me. I would be delighted to say "keep". I just need to see a few reliable and independent sources with significant coverage. Share that here and I'll be the biggest fan of keeping this. CT55555 (talk) 15:29, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Here are some independent sources for your consideration:

• The Kindness Think Tank podcast, 2021 - Interview with JT
• JT listed among Forbes 50 Leading Female Futurists
• JT Interviewed by Femme Futurists (as was ALK)
• D/Construct by Doner interview
• JT was the expert guest on a Dr. Phil show about trends (trailer ^[1]) and more of interview on her speaker reel ^[2]
• JT receiving Global Award for Brand Excellence from the World Brand Congress in Mumbai 2009

I would also like to note that many of the original source links for the JT article disappeared over time and were cleaned up. It seems that to rely solely on what is online at the present time for a person who has been on Wiki for decades is doing a disservice to both Wikipedia and the person in question. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Delcydrew (talk • contribs) 20:19, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Interviews are not "independent" check out WP:INDEPENDENT CT55555 (talk) 20:22, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To add, AFD certainly doesn't only consider sources online on the article at the time of nomination, that's part of WP:BEFORE. -Kj cheetham (talk) 20:42, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Lacks in-depth secondary coverage. 𝕱𝖎𝖈𝖆𝖎𝖆 (talk) 03:01, 21 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete. Couldn't find WP:SIGCOV in WP:RS to pass any notability guideline. Jacona (talk) 12:16, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.