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The result was keep. (non-admin closure) –Davey2010^Talk 23:08, 18 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Hélène Pastor[edit]

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Fails WP:BIO; no significant coverage of Pastor or her business except for her murder and ensuing conspiracy theories. Star Garnet (talk) 19:18, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Strong keep Obituaries in two leading London newspapers, The Times and The Daily Telegraph, which called her "Monaco’s richest woman ... the senior surviving member of what is, in effect, Monaco’s second dynasty after the ruling Grimaldis". Notable for much more than just her death. Edwardx (talk) 19:57, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Unless you contend that being the oldest member of either gender/financial manager in one of a couple thousand families worldwide, even a person with virtually no public profile or presence, is inherently notable, I don't see how this isn't WP:MASK/WP:PUFF, etc. Star Garnet (talk) 21:42, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Please don't be so obtuse - that is obviously not my contention. Instead, why not try to explain how someone with no connection to the UK can have obituaries in two leading London newspapers, The Times and The Daily Telegraph and yet not be notable? Edwardx (talk) 22:47, 12 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Reply Because 'Mafia makes attempt on life of billionaire [insert name]' and 'Son-in-law may have commissioned hit on billionaire' are juicy headlines. For the Telegraph, they'd published two articles about the attempt, so they were already following the saga, and they've published four since then. Same goes for The Times. A slight hint of interest may stem from her father, brother and son all being prominent businessmen (the family seems to live up to gender stereotypes). Apart from her murder, the only news coverage that she received other than passing reference to her family was her taking sick leave as principal of a private school. Star Garnet (talk) 00:00, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

• Keep. Clearly notable and has "received significant coverage in reliable secondary sources that are independent of the subject." Philafrenzy (talk) 10:48, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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• Keep Passes WP:BIO as the obituaries satisfy WP:BASIC. Andrew D. (talk) 12:40, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - passes BIO and it is covered by sources.--BabbaQ (talk) 19:46, 13 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep - Well-sourced entry. Seems to have been a relevant member of an influential family. jxm (talk) 15:31, 14 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep as per Edwardx, well sourced biography of a significant Monegasque figure. Gareth E Kegg (talk) 12:10, 19 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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