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The result was delete and redirect to Eurocrat. Eddie891 ^Talk _Work 13:17, 4 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Eurocracy[edit]

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Non notable board game. WP:BEFORE shows some coverage but nothing that is substantial and reliable. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 22:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Games-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 22:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Politics-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 22:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Europe-related deletion discussions. Cardiffbear88 (talk) 22:33, 20 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per nom. P,TO 19104 (talk) (contribs) 21:42, 21 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per nom. Mikola22 (talk) 19:02, 23 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, cannot find anything that makes the game notable. Alex-h (talk) 07:12, 25 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak Keep I found these sources [1], [2], and this mention [3] in Politico. Maybe I'm getting soft, but I'd say this is a weak keep.   // Timothy :: talk  00:28, 26 August 2020 (UTC) [reply]

• Delete. Wow, 3.3 rating on BGG? I haven't seen such a low rating in a long time. Anyway, thank you Timothy for finding some sources. My problem with [4] is that it summarized the topic and makes some comments about non-game related politics, but does not tell us anything about the game - it is not a review, nor does it discuss who made it or why. It is very short and I'd argue WP:TRIVIA-level coverage. [5] is clearly the product blurb/description, possibly provided by the producer, and the website is a store. This is not a review and it is likely not reliable or not independent. [6] is just like [1], it does not provide any information about the game itself, the article is really not about the game but about its creator not being allowed to advertise it(?) in the EU official building. It is also very short. Sorry, User:TimothyBlue, I am afraid I don't believe the sources found justify us having an article on this. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 09:34, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Reply: Piotrus I knew I was being soft, I had a moment of weakness. Forgive me as I have come to my senses :)   // Timothy :: talk  10:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Redirect to Eurocrat. I generally agree with Piotrus' assessment of the sources, but it seems the term Eurocracy is quite often used in the sense of EU bureaucracy in news and academic sources: 1; 2, 3, such that a redirect seems appropriate. If this article is kept, the subject should be renamed to something like Eurocracy (board game) as the concept seems more prevalent than the game itself. --Dps04 (talk) 10:09, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete (changed vote): Article does not meet WP:N.   // Timothy :: talk  10:52, 28 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Comment. Redirecting to Eurocrat makes sense but since the topics are not sufficiently related, I have no objection ot hard delete (delete then redirect). That said, soft delete (just redirect) also wouldn't be a problem, but the odds are very long that this topic would become notable in the future, so... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:03, 29 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I don't feel strongly about either option. Hard delete makes sense as the topics aren't sufficiently related, but I'd thought soft delete works just as fine in case someone wants to create an article like European Union in popular culture, this game could be mentioned in such an article and useful information of the game can be extracted from the redirect's history. But I leave it for others to decide. --Dps04 (talk) 16:54, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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