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The result was move to draft‎. Seraphimblade Talk to me 07:07, 26 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Candidates of the next Australian federal election[edit]

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You can only become a formal election candidate once a writ for the election has been issued and your nomiantion approved, see https://www.aec.gov.au/elections/candidates/files/candidates-handbook.pdf page 5. From that date until the election (a period of weeks), the official register of eligible candidates is the list the AEC will make available through it's web site.

This page instead is a list of pre selection winners from the major parties likely to be eligible candidates. Independants and small parties never appear here as they do not require a pre-selection process. The majority of current members will also re-nominate for the next election without challenge, so it is redundant to list them all here. As per Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/2023–24 Liberal Party of Australia preselections, this type of discussion is of interest to active members of major political parties and not encyclopedic by nature. The issue is also covered at Next Australian federal election#Candidates Teraplane (talk) 23:16, 17 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Comment Is there a time limit where the election has to be within a certain amount of time in order for us to have this article? This article follows the same format as articles of candidates for every Australian federal election (Category:Candidates for Australian federal elections). These articles certainly do include minor party and independent candidates. This article contains content about which candidates will be contesting the next federal election, according to reliable media sources. Is this discussion a proposal to delete all of the candidates articles? Onetwothreeip (talk) 20:13, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Well, as the nomination says, there has to be an election actually schedule, so that the article itself would convert to "Candidates of the year Australian federal election", and then the entries would be actual candidates as they do whatever is required to become so under Australian law. the problem with this article is that it is listing what, if I understand correctly, is a subset of those who might become candidates in an election whose date isn't set yet. Elections held in the past are no model for this they are recording historical fact, not predictions of the future. Mangoe (talk) 22:23, 18 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The previous election articles were also created well before the election was announced, so this is nothing new. The article for the 2022 election candidates was created 13 months before the election, for example. We are currently 16 months away from when the next federal election is due. There has never been any requirement for an election to be called for the relevant election articles such as candidate lists to exist, either for Australia or anywhere else. All of the candidates articles for elections since 2013 were created in the year before the election was held.
These are not candidates who "might" be candidates, they are the candidates who are confirmed by the relevant political parties, the individuals themselves, and reliable media sources to be the candidates for the next election. Honestly, where did you hear that these are people who only "might" be the candidates? Onetwothreeip (talk) 11:13, 19 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Those aticles for previous elections would also have appeared way too early, but I guess were not challenged by an AfD. As per WP:CRYSTALBALL 'next election' is vague term. The start of 2025 should be the earliest this page appears and be renamed to that year. However as mentioned, there is aslready coversge at Next Australian federal election#Candidates which you could supplement. The problem with this list of tables is that it is about 98% empty, with the very few names nearly all from one party. And it will remain that way as most non-retiring members, indpendants and small party candidates do not go through the same pre-selection process. So there will not be any sources to cite. You would get more names coming in the weeks prior to the election. But such a short time span again makes this article unencyclopedic. The page will only become definitive after the close of nominations, when official AEC data can be cited (2022 page uses this source also). Teraplane (talk) 22:35, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
WP:CRYSTAL says Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place. The next Australian federal election is almost certain to take place. The candidates listed in the article are those who are confirmed to be the candidates. An independent or small party candidate would be added to this article if and when there are any reliable sources to support this.
If you read the history of the 2022 article and the other candidate articles, they all used various media sources to cite the inclusion of candidates into the article. After the close of nominations, the sources are replaced with the Electoral Commission sources. Onetwothreeip (talk) 00:55, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. Articles like this generally become articles (and renamed to the new title) once the election date is confirmed. There will no doubt be a next federal election, this article is in preparation for one. The next one is likely 2025, a possible alternative is to draftify this. Ajf773 (talk) 08:41, 21 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    Almost every other candidates article for Australian federal elections was created well prior to confirmation of the election date. This confirmation normally occurs about two months before the election itself, well after the effective election campaigns are ongoing. Onetwothreeip (talk) 00:57, 22 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Draftify. Not enough content to justify the article for mainspace, in addition to WP:CRYSTAL concerns above. Would be good to keep as a draft. J2m5 (talk) 07:52, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    The problem with draftifying is that these articles rely more on sporadic public contributions, than on one or two dedicated editors. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:39, 23 January 2024 (UTC) (Keep per ITBF below - the topic clearly meets general notability and has sufficient sources backing the content. Onetwothreeip (talk) 20:35, 23 January 2024 (UTC))[reply]
    True, but my concern is that there just aren't enough announced candidates for the article to be in the mainspace yet. It looks very blank. But I also want editors to be able to keep a list going somewhere on Wikipedia until it is ready for publication. J2m5 (talk) 10:13, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment The article is transcluded in other articles (such as the actual page of the election) so whoever ends up deleting this (if that is the consensus) must take care to include said content in those other articles. Also noting that the creation of the candidates article is nothing unusual to what was done previously, which would eventually culminate in a proper list article. Marcnut1996 (talk) 11:41, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep. The election's next year, not that far away in the grand scheme of things. In my view there's already enough coverage of preselections, retirements etc. to justify a separate article. "Formal" candidacy is not relevant, we don't ordinarily wait until nominations have been closed before creating these types of article. ITBF (talk) 13:23, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Further to the above, those citing WP:CRYSTALBALL don't appear to have read that policy. "Wikipedia is not a collection of unverifiable speculation, rumors, or presumptions". This article is none of those, all candidacies mentioned are sourced with inline citations. "Individual scheduled or expected future events should be included only if the event is notable and almost certain to take place". The next election is both of these. ITBF (talk) 13:26, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
These is not a list of candidates so the title is misleading. It only shows pre-selected likely candidates of major parties (and only one so far), most probably for the election in 2025 but maybe 2024, which is all too vague. A pre-selected candidate may never actually register due to a change in circumstances. As per the nomination, you can only apply to be a candidate once the writs for the election occured. You then have to be checked for eligibility. The AEC will porgressively publish those candidates in the lead up to the election, NOT after the close of nominations. This is a merely a list of pre-selection winners, which is just where nominations are contested in the major parties. The majority of sitting members will recontest without challenge. So we are only dealing with as very small subset of seats (no Senate tables) and a subset of parties for each seat, hence the vastly empty tables. We already have good coverage at Next Australian federal election#Candidates, the handful of pre-selection results are better covered there in non-tabular form. Teraplane (talk) 22:18, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
In Australian politics, "preselected" means they are the candidates. It means they have been confirmed their respective party processes, and in these cases, the reliable media sources have confirmed this. There is almost no coverage of individual candidates on the Next Australian federal election article, as this content has always existed in the Candidates article. I can't think of any other instance on Wikipedia where we wait for the election commission to publish the list of candidates, it's always been a matter of when they are confirmed by reliable media sources. Any independent or minor party candidates that are reported as being candidates in reliable media would also be added. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:46, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The next federal election is nowhere near anything approaching scheduled. It has not been called. No writs have been issued. Anything may happen between now and the election being called in potentially a bit over a years time. Scandals, factional infighting, retirements, deaths, etc. There is no guarantee that anyone listed in this article will be a candidate at the next federal election until such time as a) the election is called, b) writs are issued, c) they place their nominations with the AEC and d) their nominations are accepted. This is definition WP:CRYSTALBALL. TarnishedPathtalk 03:56, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The reliable sources disagree with you though. According to the sources, these are the candidates. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:40, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
It doesn't matter how near or far the election is, this is currently by and large a blank article. J2m5 (talk) 23:49, 23 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most articles start small. Onetwothreeip (talk) 08:39, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Most articles do not start with large blank tables with empty cells. J2m5 (talk) 10:30, 24 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]
The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
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