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The result was Draftify‎. I am reluctant to draftify this article because doing so often means I see it 6 months later when its time in Draft world expires. But I hope someone will work on improving it. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 05:49, 26 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Bell hanger[edit]

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I could very well be wrong here, but I can't seem to find much merit in this article. Not a single citation that this article uses links to anything, some stuff just went unsourced, and I've had trouble trying to find the sources used in general. 7 sources are also just named as advertisements. I wouldn't be opposed here for at least a move to draftspace, as it does seem to have had effort put into it, but I otherwise don't see much here. Dawnbails (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: People and Engineering. Dawnbails (talk) 14:39, 11 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  The topic relates to communication infrastructure in residential and commercial buildings in the era before telephones and intercoms. It is a lost trade but of interest to historians of skills of early electricians. Sources will necessarily be more than a century old. Kerrisdalian (talk) 05:12, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Music-related deletion discussions. Skynxnex (talk) 04:55, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Bell hanger is not music-related. Kerrisdalian (talk) 05:05, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment. From the title was expecting to read an article on the hanging of church bells with perhaps information on the cradles, mechanics, skills needed, tools used, positioning & testing of the bells, etc. Would other readers have similar expectations? The article hints of this topic in the lead and under the Simple Bells heading but there's no further development. The Bell Hangers' Handbook is about batteries and electrical circuits, and aimed at early professional domestic electricians. In the language of today it mainly covers doorbell and alarm installation. Was the term "hanger" used rather than "installer"? To me, the article title is a bit misleading. I agree with the nominator and suggest putting this back into draft to reconsider its scope and title. Rupples (talk) 04:00, 16 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  "Bell hanger" is the only term I have found in any historic advertising or literature for the trade described. If modern researchers have never heard of the trade, they can be excused for expecting something to do with the logistics of church bells. However, anyone building a mansion, apartment building or hotel in the 1800s hired a bell hanger if they wanted to communicate between rooms and floors. Kerrisdalian (talk) 03:36, 17 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  Just performed a Google search for "bell hanger" and most hits are for decorative/ornamental bells but there is also a type of clamp to hold a rail and a strip of bells one can attach to a door knob to hear a door's opening/closing. One company describes itself as "Bell Founders, Bell Hangers, Belfry Service Engineers" and works with church bells. Perhaps the article title needs clarification by adding a descriptor in brackets? Rupples (talk) 05:11, 17 June 2023 (UTC) Struck through reply. On reviewing, realised it's not helpful. Apologies. Rupples (talk) 00:27, 18 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, _signed, Rosguill ^talk 05:13, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Draft Could very well have been a trade, but what's used for sourcing is an advertisement, a phone book-type listing and some articles that aren't digitized in old newspapers. Needs to be worked on a bit more. Oaktree b (talk) 13:27, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.