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The result was merge to Anthony Mary Claret. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 14:47, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Autobiography of Anthony Mary Claret[edit]

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Article fails notability and sourcing. Only references to this autobiography are inline citations to biographical discussions of the subject's life. Simply Google search yielded quite a few copies for say, though! ~ Pbritti (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Christianity-related deletion discussions. Pbritti (talk) 15:17, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Merge for now given that this book has been printed in about a dozen different languages, it seems unlikely that it won't pass our criteria for number of reviews. However, tracking them down in different languages, under different titles, and largely predating the internet age is a big project.--Jahaza (talk) 03:49, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Jahaza: As part of the process pre-AfD, I searched for said reviews and came up empty-handed. If you can find these reviews, sure, I'll even retract the AfD early. But I don't think the promise of sources is enough to qualify it for retention. ~ Pbritti (talk) 04:15, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm fine with merge.--Jahaza (talk) 21:40, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete -- I am extremely doubtful that the prophecies of a Spanish (?) mystic of over 1250 years ago are WP-notable, even if much translated. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Peterkingiron: that's an incredibly strange comment. This book is an autobiography, not "prophecies" and the author, Anthony Mary Claret, lived from 1807-1870, not "1250 years ago". Consider striking.--Jahaza (talk) 21:22, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  @Peterkingiron: I agree with Jahaza here. A bit of an oddball comment. ~ Pbritti (talk) 22:21, 3 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete. Translations are normally a good indication of notability, but not in this case, since this isn't commercial publishing - he's the founder of a Catholic religious order, the Claretians, who of course will translate the book because they are interested in the autobiography of their own founder. ie, it's a point for the notability of Claret, not this book in particular. I would argue otherwise if there were sources discussing the autobiography as a work of literature, or some other way than just mining it for biographical citations, but there don't seem to be. -- asilvering (talk) 03:47, 5 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, TigerShark (talk) 02:30, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment I'd just cut it and stick it at the bottom of Claret's article, for all the half page it is. Oaktree b (talk) 03:17, 6 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
• Merge selectively to Anthony Mary Claret, not enough coverage for a standalone article but enough for a paragraph or two on the main article, imv Atlantic306 (talk) 23:30, 8 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Sandstein 09:04, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• Merge can have a short paragraph / single sentence in the works section of Anthony Mary Claret. A bit of OR in the second paragraph, so I'd only keep the first paragraph. Femke (talk) 18:38, 14 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.