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::Biased sources are alright as long as they state an uncontroversial fact. Jacobin, Fox News, ''et al.'' are all examples of this. The claim itself made in the article is uncontroversial. [[User:KlayCax|KlayCax]] ([[User talk:KlayCax|talk]]) 19:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
::Biased sources are alright as long as they state an uncontroversial fact. Jacobin, Fox News, ''et al.'' are all examples of this. The claim itself made in the article is uncontroversial. [[User:KlayCax|KlayCax]] ([[User talk:KlayCax|talk]]) 19:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I kindly ask you to remove the section until there's consensus to include and to avoid edit warring. Thanks! [[User:Nemov|Nemov]] ([[User talk:Nemov|talk]]) 19:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)
:::I kindly ask you to remove the section until there's consensus to include and to avoid edit warring. Thanks! [[User:Nemov|Nemov]] ([[User talk:Nemov|talk]]) 19:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)

== Requested move 25 October 2023 ==

{{requested move/dated|Mike Johnson}}

[[:Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician)]] → {{no redirect|Mike Johnson}} – Subject was just elected Speaker of the House. This title should be simplified to just Mike Johnson, while the existing Michael Johnson disambig page should be renamed "Michael Johnson (disambiguation)", and the current "Mike Johnson" redirect to that disambiguation page should be removed, in favor of an {other uses} at the top of this article.&#32;[[User:Cpotisch|Cpotisch]] ([[User talk:Cpotisch|talk]]) 19:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC) <small>''This is a contested technical request'' ([[Special:Permalink/1181878693|permalink]]). [[User:Cpotisch|Cpotisch]] ([[User talk:Cpotisch|talk]]) 19:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)</small>

Revision as of 19:39, 25 October 2023

Possible bias

Many of the recent changes to this article seem to reflect political bias; the sources sited are almost entirely articles written today (Oct 25, the day of Johnson's election to speaker) by publications opposed to him. The second paragraph emphasizes those policy positions of his most likely to be unappealing to American voters; eg abortion, same-sex marriage, and religious fundamentalism. It does not mention stances on taxation, federalism, or other issues which are emphasized by his supporters. While his unpopular positions are part of the picture and need to be mentioned, this article is an unbalanced presentation and should be corrected with a more neutral selection of policy positions. It also seems to me that political newspapers hostile to Johnson (e.g. this MSNBC article cited in the second paragraph, which is essentially a hit piece) should not be considered valid sources of information on him. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 198.160.139.1 (talk) 19:05, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

SPA User editing only on this article

SPA user User:Jeffersondrive has a history of making edits exclusively to this article, done over six weeks from mid-March to late April 2021, and characterizing a deletion of 2,192 characters, text that might have reflected negatively on the subject as a "minor" deletion, covered in part by simultaneous addition of 236 characters in text about a different subject to the article. "Jefferson Drive" is the main avenue on the Capitol Mall on which some of the Smithsonian Institution buildings are located. Activist (talk) 13:41, 20 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Some of what was written was written like a resume and was made up of uncited additions with bill names (most or all of which never became law, and many of which never made it out of committee). I think it's likely that there's something of a COI here. Plandu (talk) 00:54, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Johnson is not the "speaker designate"

Johnson only won the internal GOP conference vote and will be the GOP candidate to the speakership. If a majority of voting congressmen choose him, then he will be the speaker. I think the expression "speaker designate" is inaccurate. But I cant edit the page 2804:D84:2280:2400:445E:C8B8:6259:A33C (talk) 02:55, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Vandalism from IP editor

@98.97.31.73:. Please stop vandalizing the page. If this continues, I will report. KlayCax (talk) 05:01, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

"Assumed" is not a RS

Note a reads, "No record of Johnson exists on the Lousiana Secretary of State website. For this reason it is assumed that Johnson had no competition." I will try to find a better source. Dgndenver (talk) 06:08, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Percy R. Johnson Burn Foundation

The citation for Johnson's father's relationship to the Percy R. Johnson Burn Foundation is a broken link, and I cannot find another third party source to support that information. It also feels irrelevant to the life of Mike Johnson. Unless another source can be found, I would support the removal of that portion of the early life section. Eventhisacronym (talk) 14:41, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Giant lede

Why is the lede suddenly five paragraphs for a mostly unknown congressman? It seems like he's not known for anything but becoming Speaker, but every single policy position of his has suddenly been dumped in there as though this were a prominent feature of his. MisterWat3rm3l0n (talk) 17:54, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

This article is receiving heavy traffic and many conflicting edits; it looks like we'll have to trim that down a bit when the frequent editing dies down. Scorch (talk | ctrb) 18:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I also wanted to note that I accepted a revision by @KlayCax which re-added a paragraph in the lede because an IP editor removed it without adequate explanation. The IP editor stated that he felt the information did not need to be in the lede and should be elsewhere in the article, but he completely removed the content and did not re-add it or restructure it elsewhere. With that said, the article is currently under protection anyway. Scorch (talk | ctrb) 18:46, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Reliable sources have universally identified his:
  • Opposition to same-sex marriage, abortion, and cannabis legalization
  • Membership in the Christian right faction of the Republican Party
  • Attempts to overturn at least some of the 2020 presidential results
As notable aspects of his politics. These three things deserve mention in the lead per WP: Weight. KlayCax (talk) 18:47, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Ledes run longer for major politicians like Speaker so he'll likely have a long lede when this is all over, but it definitely will need trimming once editing dies down a little TulsaPoliticsFan (talk) 18:48, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Young Earth Claim

KlayCax, you re-added this section[[1]] with new sources that do very little to support claim of the section. The same problem exists, the quotes included are from a lawyer on behalf of a client. They may be his real opinions, but that needs to be sourced directly. Also, the blog that's cited isn't exactly a reliable source, but but even if it was it doesn't support the section either. I'm removing the section for now until better sourcing can be found. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 19:19, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Also - it’s not even a political position. It shouldn’t be in that section at all. JTW1998+ (talk) 19:23, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Tax breaks are a political policy. KlayCax (talk) 19:35, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Concur. User, KlayCax, cites from a Salon article and Pharyngula (a blog site) neither of which can be considered valid sources by reasonable and intellectually honest people (including those who may disagree or politically oppose Speaker Johnson). Treibleg (talk) 19:25, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Biased sources are alright as long as they state an uncontroversial fact. Jacobin, Fox News, et al. are all examples of this. The claim itself made in the article is uncontroversial. KlayCax (talk) 19:29, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I kindly ask you to remove the section until there's consensus to include and to avoid edit warring. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 19:31, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move 25 October 2023

Mike Johnson (Louisiana politician)Mike Johnson – Subject was just elected Speaker of the House. This title should be simplified to just Mike Johnson, while the existing Michael Johnson disambig page should be renamed "Michael Johnson (disambiguation)", and the current "Mike Johnson" redirect to that disambiguation page should be removed, in favor of an {other uses} at the top of this article. Cpotisch (talk) 19:27, 25 October 2023 (UTC) This is a contested technical request (permalink). Cpotisch (talk) 19:39, 25 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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