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Should be agree best practice for when government departments and ministers are renamed. Nearly every time a new government is formed, there'll be some rejigging of government departments (the rainbow coalition was the most recent that didn't do this). There's a reasonable instinct to keep Wikipedia up to date and rename the departments after the Taoiseach's announcement (indeed, I have myself prematurely moved pages, as I acknowledged here). However, I would proposed that pages are moved only after we see the government order with the new name, e.g. Children and Youth Affairs (Alteration of Name of Department and Title of Minister) Order 2020. There are three reasons for this:

• Wikipedia should be accurate at any given time. Even an obvious one, like Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade becoming Minister for Foreign Affairs (Ireland) should wait till we see the order before moving. It recognises the formal process by which these are changed; not an announcement in the Dáil or a government press release, but a government order signed by the Taoiseach. In the mean time, we can use piped links on pages like Government of the 33rd Dáil or Simon Coveney. Perhaps even they should have the accurate title in the text, but there's a good case that in listing ministers, you want to show the agreement between parties about where responsibilities will go.
• It ensures titles are accurate, e.g., that it's the Minister for Tourism, Culture, Arts, Gaeltacht, Sport and Media, not the Minister for Media, Tourism, Arts, Culture, Sport and the Gaeltacht. Otherwise, we end up with the inaccurate title referenced in a few places, before being spotted.
• It prevents against errors. For example, the Minister for Transport, Tourism and Sport was moved on 27 July to Minister for Climate Action, Communication Networks and Transport, with the Minister for Communications, Climate Action and Environment having been marked as abolished. In fact, MTTS became the Minister for Transport (Ireland), while MCCAE became the Minister for the Environment, Climate and Communications (Ryan holding two titles). When I went through the links after changing these to the correct title, there ended being anomalies that weren't corrected by simple redirects, like a reference to the minister for transport in Responses to the COVID-19 pandemic in July 2020 linking to the Minister for the Environment. Holding off makes particular sense when there are mergers of departments or very significant transfers. We also had Minister for Foreign Affairs and Trade moved in error to Minister for Foreign Affairs and Defence.

I'm not sure it's worthwhile reversing any changes that have been made prematurely so far, but we could benefit from establishing this before the next Taoiseach moves these around again. –Iveagh Gardens (talk) 07:40, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Support - that all seems eminently sensible. Bastun^{Ėġáḍβáś₮ŭŃ!} 11:25, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support - well stated, and as Bastun says. SeoR (talk) 11:50, 18 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Support, makes perfect sense. Marcocapelle (talk) 15:54, 19 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The RIA announced this month that the Dictionary of Irish Biography would be open access from next spring. The website dib.cambridge.org seems to have already been made free; dunno if this is a temporary trial run or a soft launch. In any case, time for a Template:Cite DIrB along the lines of Template:Cite ODNB. There's already a wikidata property, although it's not in Template:Authority control, I guess biographical dictionaries are not authority catalogs. jnestorius^(talk) 02:00, 25 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

@Jnestorius: This is excellent news! Thank you for sharing! UaMaol (talk) 08:33, 28 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]

There are a very few exceedingly minor instances of uncited text at Featured article John Millington Synge; is anyone able to fill those in? I have not tagged those instances as I do not want to deface the article. See WP:URFA/2020. @Ceoil: SandyGeorgia (Talk) 14:29, 23 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for not tagging. Would you consider opening a discussion on the talk page and listing the instances of unsourced content? It's unlikely to be me that takes on the job BTW. Scolaire (talk) 14:57, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Now cited, in case anyone wants to have a look. @Ceoil: again, SandyGeorgia (Talk) 01:40, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hi all, I just noticed an edit to the Department of Children, Equality, Disability, Integration and Youth, for which one of the citations used is Gript. Given its stance and politics, I would suggest that it is not a relaible source in the same way that Russia Today and the Daily Mail is not. I've never ventured down the path of flagging a source before, is there anyone that might give me a hand in this? As it is quite specifically an Irish source, I wanted to see what other editors thought about it. Pinging @Spleodrach: @Guliolopez: as you might have feelings on this? Smirkybec (talk) 19:35, 29 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

to "Irish English. So far mainly American support. Johnbod (talk) 02:56, 7 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]