User talk:Neutralhomer/TalkHeaderArchive

Thanks, man. You know, worldwide pandemic, mass unemployment, social and political myopia — the things. But personally, been doing alright. Hope you won't get super-banned and shit! P.S. BTW, last conversation I've had with Nil, he called me a "fuckhead," which is annoying. I wanna be known by my superhero name Fucko Man. Oh well, one can dream...¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Best, El_C 11:34, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for continuing to baselessly accuse other editors of being racist, after a very clear warning to stop, and a generally over the top battleground mentality for the last 3 days straight. In addition, your ability to edit your talk page has also been revoked.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then submit a request to the Unblock Ticket Request System.  Floquenbeam (talk) 13:59, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have removed talk page access because this is where you are making the repeatedly unacceptable posts. Contact UTRS when you feel you are able to post without resorting to personal attacks, and if they are convinced they can restore talk page access. --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

For anyone reviewing, I blocked after this edit, made after an extremely clear warning to knock it off right above it. It's still calling someone a racist when you call them "the R-word". --Floquenbeam (talk) 14:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This is a sad turn of events. El_C 16:01, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Note that any non-free images not used in any articles will be deleted after seven days, as described in section F5 of the criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. --B-bot (talk) 20:28, 17 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

UTRS appeal #51723 is closed. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 02:45, 5 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• User:Deepfriedokra, Neutralhomer just emailed me: I was looking at the UTRS unblock request, clicked "decline" but found no place to enter a rationale. Maybe you can help with the paperwork. Neutralhomer, my apologies for the lack of rationale. I declined your request because, and I don't think this is the first time, you again shifted responsibility over to others--I overreacted, but we were all at fault, etc. At some point that really just does not cut it anymore. I read over the discussion in October as it was happening ("So, you all continue with your little fuckin' game of "look at me, I'm an admin on a website, I'm important". I gonna put on dry clothes and go back to work. "), I read the whole account, and I was wondering if you could come back from that. Well, in principle you could, but not with that rationale. I've been on your side before, and you were a net positive with all those radio edits, but after rants like that you need to do a lot more soul-searching, and dig a lot deeper, than just say "OK I was maybe also at fault a bit". Sorry. Drmies (talk) 03:19, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  ( interposed reply to @Drmies: The UTRS interface sometimes confuses me, and I've been using it for years. One must first click the reserve button at the top. Then at the bottom, one clicks the comment button. One can type a free form comment of their own, or click one of the "form letters." The "form letters" are set to set to decline status automatically, though one has the option of changing. The free form comments offer the option of choosing a status. Hope this helps. --Deepfriedokra (talk) 12:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC))[reply]

• Neutralhomer, your talk page access was removed for a good reason. I suppose I understand you want to respond, but I do not have much interest in an email conversation with you. UTRS is still open to you, I believe. Drmies (talk) 03:31, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Drmies - I might be chiming in a bit late, but nonetheless, I ran into the debacle at WP:ANI, read through the discussion in its entirety, and I (with somewhat of a half-frown) would have also declined this UTRS request to be unblocked, and I stand behind your decision. This user's demeanor and their subsequent responses, both at the ANI discussion and here, clearly show me that Neutralhomer was dead-set on continuing to argue their point until the bitter end. Their response here at ANI basically says this in a nutshell. After what started as a partial-block at ANI for a bit quickly escalated when this user started with this crap, this crap, then this, and ohhhh so much more in between until they decided to top it off with this (where they basically just give the project two middle fingers and tell us to have a nice day, to put it nicely...)

Now... Let me make something else very clear, too. Sorry in advance, DrKay, but it just has to be said... Nothing against you personally, of course... this is not okay. For an administrator to be edit warring on the article, as you can clearly see looking at the edit history, and over what was essentially improper use of some reference templates (as JBchrch detailed here) - a content-related matter - is definitely not something I like to see. Things went crazy off the deep end due to Neutralhomer's subsequent responses and what-not, but I will say that we did miss some opportunities here... especially in relation to helping The Exterminating Angel (someone who isn't new, but definitely still novice) to understand how things work and to offer them help. I can see here that Rjensen tried... And I give him major props for doing that. It just sucks to see that The Exterminating Angel had to file an ANI discussion just find out... "what the heck?"

I'm not trying to dig up any fossils, point fingers, or drag anyone back into what is now past discussion... After all, I ran into the whole discussion and dispute just a few hours ago . I've obviously have had the luxury of being able to read through everything and without the "live drama". :-) That being said, I wouldn't feel like I'd be doing right by not summarizing my overall observations here. In the future, I just hope that some users can slow down, take some time to work things out, and not let things go crazy and so quickly. Of course, if there's anything that I might be missing that would make my observations incorrect or not reflect an accurate overview of the situation, please for the love of God let me know. I don't want to call anyone out for things if I've done so without the correct or full amount of information. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 08:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

TEA had been asked not to continue with those edits, by several editors. He continued anyway. It is disruptive to continue with a series of edits after being asked to stop. I was therefore taking administrative action against a disruptive editor who was continuing with the same edits despite multiple requests from multiple editors to stop. I have no interest in the content and never had any. DrKay (talk) 09:18, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

DrKay - Hey, fair enough, man... I acknowledge that you weren't exactly in the easiest position with what was going on. ;-) Just remember that you can always hit the brakes and call in for some reinforcements instead of going at it yourself and getting stressed out. As an administrator, and when dealing with difficult or toxic users like this, it's usually a good idea to keep in mind that they're going to twist what you say and do, take it in complete bad faith, and run with it. Otherwise, you're going to find yourself aggravated, if not infuriated, when the user tries to shout to the world and proclaim, "Hey, look everyone! Oh my god! This administrator is breaking the rules! I'm a victim and I'm under attack! They're supposed to help me and they're killing me!" Don't do that to yourself, man... We're here to help. Just don't be afraid to reach out. :-) ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 10:14, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Follow-up and unsolicited advice. Just offer a brief, concise discussion of what you did “wrong” and what you would do instead in similar circumstances. (This includes all those insults as mentioned above.) Do not discuss the faults of others or what they did to provoke you. Show in the sub-text that you will go forward with this left in the past and doing only good things. Hope this helps. (Probably reference this discussion in the UTRS ticket. I’m not around much anymore, so perhaps Drmies or Oswah can watch for a response there.) --Deepfriedokra (talk) 13:06, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

  Deepfriedokra - Good input! Neutralhomer actually emailed me shortly after I responded here, and I offered them some steps that they'll need to take so that they can return. He made it pretty clear that he felt bad about the whole ordeal and that he really does want to return. I hope they'll take my advice and that things will work out. Also, Deepfriedokra?!! You're not around much? C'mon, man! You don't miss us? You're breakin' my heart... Don't you dare disappear on us! We need you, man! :-( ~Oshwah~^{(talk) (contribs)} 13:13, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• While I don't support an unblock at this time, if another admin thinks it would be more efficient to do this on-wiki, I am OK with another admin restoring talk page access to discuss an unblock, as long that admin is confident that the unacceptable comments about other editors won't resume, and as long as that admin makes clear that resuming those comments would immediately get talk page access taken away again. I'm happy to leave that to another admin's judgment, no need to check with me first. On the other hand, if people think email/UTRS is actually better, that's fine too. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:43, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I have restored TPA with the understanding that they will lose access again if problematic behavior resumes. 331dot (talk) 08:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@331dot: I have acknowledged and understood this via the UTRS. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

This user's unblock request is on hold because the reviewer is waiting for a comment by the blocking administrator.

Neutralhomer (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))

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Blocking administrator: Floquenbeam (talk)

Reviewing administrator: Happy New Year. This is a procedural hold as the block is being discussed at Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Block_review_of_Neutralhomer, and the comments in that discussion will likely affect this appeal. Floq, apologies if this template pings you as you've already commented below. -- Euryalus (talk) 20:37, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Request reason:

I, Neutralhomer, of sound mind (under the care of mental health professionals), am asking for my account to be unblocked. As I have stated numerous times, I fucked up. I took my defense of an editor too far. I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a complete asshole and a jerk. That's not being me being "problematic" now, that's just me discribing how I was being at the time. I have no excuse for my behavior, I was an asshole. But I feel this is no longer a preventive block, but punitive (but I digress). Again, I took my defense of an editor too far. As was brought up on UTRS, my "mental health" is not an issue. I don't need to "get my head on straight", as I see a therapist and a shrink for that. :) As I have said in a couple other UTRS unblock requests, I have a few edits I would like to do immediately to a couple radio station articles. So, I plan on hitting the ground running, albeit very quietly. I don't plan on making any waves. I don't plan on contacting DrKay, unless the community says that a public apology is wanted/needed, then I will. But I do believe the contradiction of "you are a net positive to the community" and still leaving me blocked should end, while blantantly insulting me (and my Autism, which everyone knows I have), by saying I need to "get my head on straight" (I take insults to my mental health seriously, but again, I digress). Most importantly, I do believe that it should also be noted that I have upheld the spirit of this block. I have a known, mobile-only account that remains unblocked. I haven't used it....and I won't. So, while my main account is blocked, I am still able to edit....I am just choosing not to. I'm honoring the block. If I was truly being mean and evil, wanting to continue to fight and argue, would I do that? I wouldn't. I have chosen to honor the block, even though I disagree with it. Even going so far as to wait over a month to request my first UTRS unblock. I do believe that should count for something. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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After the blocking administrator has left a comment, do one of the following:

If you decline the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting {{subst:Decline reason here}} with any specific rationale. If you do not edit the text after "decline=", a default reason why the request was declined will be inserted.

{{unblock reviewed|1=I, Neutralhomer, of sound mind (under the care of mental health professionals), am asking for my account to be unblocked. As I have stated numerous times, I fucked up. I took my defense of an editor too far. I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a complete asshole and a jerk. That's not being me being "problematic" now, that's just me discribing how I was being at the time. I have no excuse for my behavior, I was an asshole. But I feel this is no longer a preventive block, but punitive (but I digress). Again, I took my defense of an editor too far. As was brought up on UTRS, my "mental health" is not an issue. I don't need to "get my head on straight", as I see a therapist and a shrink for that. :) As I have said in a couple other UTRS unblock requests, I have a few edits I would like to do immediately to a couple radio station articles. So, I plan on hitting the ground running, albeit very quietly. I don't plan on making any waves. I don't plan on contacting DrKay, unless the community says that a public apology is wanted/needed, then I will. But I do believe the contradiction of "you are a net positive to the community" and still leaving me blocked should end, while blantantly insulting me (and my Autism, which everyone knows I have), by saying I need to "get my head on straight" (I take insults to my mental health seriously, but again, I digress). Most importantly, I do believe that it should also be noted that I have upheld the spirit of this block. I have a known, mobile-only account that remains unblocked. I haven't used it....and I won't. So, while my main account is blocked, I am still able to edit....I am just choosing not to. I'm honoring the block. If I was truly being mean and evil, wanting to continue to fight and argue, would I do that? I wouldn't. I have chosen to honor the block, even though I disagree with it. Even going so far as to wait over a month to request my first UTRS unblock. I do believe that should count for something. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)|decline={{subst:Decline reason here}} ~~~~}}[reply]

If you accept the unblock request, replace this template with the following, substituting Accept reason here with your rationale:

{{unblock reviewed|1=I, Neutralhomer, of sound mind (under the care of mental health professionals), am asking for my account to be unblocked. As I have stated numerous times, I fucked up. I took my defense of an editor too far. I apologize. I apologize to everyone for being a complete asshole and a jerk. That's not being me being "problematic" now, that's just me discribing how I was being at the time. I have no excuse for my behavior, I was an asshole. But I feel this is no longer a preventive block, but punitive (but I digress). Again, I took my defense of an editor too far. As was brought up on UTRS, my "mental health" is not an issue. I don't need to "get my head on straight", as I see a therapist and a shrink for that. :) As I have said in a couple other UTRS unblock requests, I have a few edits I would like to do immediately to a couple radio station articles. So, I plan on hitting the ground running, albeit very quietly. I don't plan on making any waves. I don't plan on contacting DrKay, unless the community says that a public apology is wanted/needed, then I will. But I do believe the contradiction of "you are a net positive to the community" and still leaving me blocked should end, while blantantly insulting me (and my Autism, which everyone knows I have), by saying I need to "get my head on straight" (I take insults to my mental health seriously, but again, I digress). Most importantly, I do believe that it should also be noted that I have upheld the spirit of this block. I have a known, mobile-only account that remains unblocked. I haven't used it....and I won't. So, while my main account is blocked, I am still able to edit....I am just choosing not to. I'm honoring the block. If I was truly being mean and evil, wanting to continue to fight and argue, would I do that? I wouldn't. I have chosen to honor the block, even though I disagree with it. Even going so far as to wait over a month to request my first UTRS unblock. I do believe that should count for something. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:06, 29 December 2021 (UTC)|accept=Accept reason here ~~~~}}[reply]

• Please note: It is 4:09am EST as of this post. I am heading to bed. I will, obviously, not be able to respond immediately for the next few hours. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:09, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

My most recent advice(UTRS appeal #52148) was to wait a few months. @Floquenbeam: above also seems to think it is early. I am not going to decline this myself but I do think it is a bit early. If another admin feels the time is right I have no objection. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 15:28, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

• Comment from the blocking admin: Near the end of the unblock request, you say "I have chosen to honor the block, even though I disagree with it". Does this mean you don't think you should have been blocked at all? Also, I don't understand why it should "count for something" that you didn't use your alternate account to evade the block; you surely knew that it would immediately be blocked too, so why seek credit for not doing something pointless? On the whole, I don't find this a convincing unblock request; "Sorry, I was an asshole and a jerk, won't happen again" loses it's power after about the 4th time it's used. I can't imagine an unblock request that I would believe or accept right now, but this one seems particularly inadequate, especially since you've had so much time to craft it. --Floquenbeam (talk) 17:16, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: (TL;DR at bottom) I mentioned it because it shows I could have just kept on continuing a "generally over the top battleground mentality" should I have chosen to. I didn't. I stopped. Yeah, it would have gotten blocked too, but I have had an account wide open to either continue "battleground mentality" or just general edits. I chose neither. I honored the block. I disagree that I should have been blocked in the first place, because I feel there was fault on multiple sides. Oshwah even says above "[the community] did miss some opportunities here...especially in relation to helping The Exterminating Angel...to understand how things work and to offer them help". Now, he dings me quite well and I deserve it. I'm not saying I didn't deserve the block, I just disagree that I was blocked at all. The conversation should never have deteriorated to that level in the first place. We all missed some opportunties. But I am taking responsibility for my end. I'm not here to dig up the past (ie: October), I'm talking about the present (ie: December 29).

As for my "I fucked up" and "I was an asshole", I work in a custodial/construction-esque type of world. Outside of when the teachers and kids are in the school, we cuss like sailors. It takes a lot for one of us to say "dude, I fucked up, I'm sorry"...but we do and that's why we work so well together. Guys, typically, don't go into long, flowing apologizes....we just don't. For some of us, "dude, I fucked up, I'm sorry" is as good as it gets. It's genuine, but we are of few words.

To be honest, Floq, I didn't expect you to be "convinc[ed]", "believe, or accept" any unblock request from me now or at anytime in the future. Every interaction you and I have had has been negative. You have threatened blocks in almost every one of them. Why? That's a question you need to ask yourself. Maybe I'm not the one with the "battleground mentality". Hell, I didn't make the news going up against Jimbo (you made Vice and Slashdot). I stepped back, even when I knew I could continue, and walked away. I stopped. That says more about me and that should "count for something" because I could have continued. I chose to be honest and be the better person....when the ANI thread continued for another 2 days and I couldn't defend myself.

TL;DR: I'm not the bad guy everyone makes me out to be. I just got pissed, I fucked up, I took it too far (we all did, but me especially), I got blocked, now I'm asking to come back, and I'm showing I can be trusted by showing my mobile account has been wide open this entire time. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 19:46, 29 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@HighInBC and Floquenbeam: So, would I be correct in assuming, from the now two-day wait, that my request is being ignored and will go unanswered? Just asking. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 00:26, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You have been here a long time, you know that less than simple unblock requests take time to find an admin willing to take it on. I would do it myself but since my advice was to wait a few more months I would not be giving you the outcome you desire. I will leave it to another admin to handle.

You have been a good contributor for 14 years, with a few spots of trouble every few years. I do expect you to return eventually but I think you are rushing the matter. The standard offer gives some good advice regarding time frames. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 06:13, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HighInBC: Yeah, but then aren't we putting a time limit on an indef-block? It's like someone serving a life sentence and a 6 month sentence concurrently. It's basically pointless. Indef is indef. 4 months from now, it will still be indef. Everyone will still say I'm "not ready" and we'll be right back where we started. This is basically a punitive block and no longer a preventive one.

As I have stated, that was clearly proven when I chose not to use a known mobile only account back in October or since....and I will continue to not use it as a show of good faith. I'm doing so to prove, I'm not the bad guy. Big, wide open space to do whatever...and I'm not taking it. That means the situation is over, the block is no longer serving a purpose. Happy 2022. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:38, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HighInBC: I do believe I said it in the UTRS you responded to, I would have no problem with this going to ANI. I just wanted to be able to respond via my talk page. So, if you want to start an ANI thread, feel free. Please note, it is 4:41a EST, so if you do anytime soon, I most likely won't respond immediately. I also go back to work on the 3rd and my time will be limited. It's up to you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 09:42, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Indefinite has never meant forever, it means without being defined. This is the literal meaning of the word. And the 6 months mentioned the the standard offer is not an expiry date, it is a recommended amount of time to wait before appealing a serious block to the community. You don't get special points for not evading the block, it is the minimum expected.

If you really want this taken to ANI I am willing to do it. But once again I recommend waiting until at least 6 months from your initial block before doing do. I will give you 24 hours to reconsider and if you still want me to, and no other admin had reviewed this I will post on ANI. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 10:46, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HighInBC: A friend invited me to breakfast (early breakfast? nightcap with pancakes?) anyway, I'm still up. So, go ahead. No need for the 24 hour waiting period. I mean, what's the worse that could happen? :) I get blocked? :D - Neutralhomer • Talk • 10:51, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The definition of indefinite is "lasting for an unknown or unstated length of time". A synonym of indefinite is "forever". Don't blame me, blame Webster's and Oxford. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Read what you just quoted. "Unknown or unstated length of time". As in not a defined length of time. Now use your dictionary to lookup forever "for all future time; for always", a defined length of time. Now look up synonym "a word or phrase that means exactly or nearly the same as another word". I am afraid you are mistaken on this one. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 13:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@HighInBC: It came from Webster's and Oxford. If anyone is mistaken, it's them, not me. I'm not here to argue over words. This is distracting from why I'm here and is not helping the matter. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, you keep refusing to hear to part where I say wait yet again so how about I don't post it to ANI at all. I a done with this whole thing. Perhaps another admin wants to post it at ANI for you. Frankly I see it ending with a decline as too early. I really do want to see you back here and that is why I am asking you to wait, I am showing you the way back. You want to skip ahead then good luck.

Take my advice, retract your unblock request and wait for 6 months after your initial block and refer to the standard offer when you attempt your request, or do it your way. I hope it works out. HighInBC ^{Need help? Just ask.} 10:56, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Fine, if you don't want to, that's fine. I'll be right here. :) We'll have a good laugh on 4/20 when I still don't get unblocked. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 11:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure why you pinged me; we've already established I won't unblock you myself, and I can't make someone else review this. There's a disturbing long-term backlog at CAT:UNBLOCK; combined with the complications HiBC mentions, this could take a while to get reviewed. I'm ambivalent about an ANI thread; I don't think it will go the way you want, but I could be wrong. If you're actually disputing the original imposition of the block, then I guess I should open an ANI thread, as it would be a review of the correctness of my admin action. It seems like you might be acknowledging that the original block was OK, but isn't necessary anymore, and if so then going to ANI feels a little like cutting the line at CAT:UNBLOCK. If no one reviews this in a week, I'll open an ANI thread if you want, even though I think it unwise. If you make it clear you think the block was actually in error, I'll open a thread earlier, to review my blocking. --Floquenbeam (talk) 22:03, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Floquenbeam: You replied, I replied back, hence the ping. I honestly don't see this getting resolved in a week or even in April (ie: at 6 months after the block, on April 20 or 4/20). I just don't. I believe there will always be someone, somewhere who says "I'm not ready" or "I don't have my head on right". As I have repeatedly said, if I didn't and I was honestly going to continue, why wouldn't I use an account that was wide open to me this entire time? I keep bringing it up because it shows that I'm basically serving my "sentence" with a door to the "prison" wide open for "escape". I am honoring the block. If I was, intending, to continue my behavior, would I honestly do that? No. The block has long-since served it's purpose. I was blocked on October 20, it is January 1. Two months, door wide open for "escape" and I have chosen not to take it. Not since day 1, not day 74 (today). I think the community is safe. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 23:01, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My guess is that you're right; if you don't change your approach, come up with a more convincing unblock request, and stop putting so much stock in your not using your alternate account as some kind of proof of anything, I'd be surprised if an ANI request is successful now, or in the future. If you do those three things, I suspect an unblock in a while is more likely. But I could be wrong either way. That's all up to you. What I'm asking is, do you want me to start an ANI thread now to have people review the appropriateness of my block, or do you want to wait a week and then if it's still unaddressed, have me go to ANI then, or do you not want me to go to ANI at all? --Floquenbeam (talk) 02:26, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'm at a loss on the unblock request part of that, but OK. But, yes, please start an ANI thread. Thank you. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:30, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

 Done, see Wikipedia:Administrators'_noticeboard#Block_review_of_Neutralhomer. If you want to add something to the discussion, you can write it here, and someone will transfer it over to WP:AN. --Floquenbeam (talk) 03:07, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Appreciated. Take Care and Happy New Year. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 03:08, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

WP:AN Replies

@HandThatFeeds: I never said it was everyone else's fault. I said, quite a number of times, I screwed up, I took it too far. Who I am quoting is Oshwah when he said that we all missed opportunities. The discussion should never have deteriorated to that level in the first place. Yes, I had a very big hand in it. But as Oshwah said, opportunities were missed by all. We got distracted by my bullshit. Yeah, I'm calling myself out. That's taking responsibility.

As for my still open mobile account, I continue to bring it up just to make a point. If I was so gung-ho at continuing this "battleground mentality" and I am this awful person you all make me out to be, why wouldn't I continue immediately after I was blocked? I had the chance? Why stop? I wouldn't. I'm the bad guy. Let's look at it logically.

I'm completely "not in my right mind", full "battleground mentality", hurling "baseless accus[ations]", ignoring "very clear warning[s] to stop", and I get indef-blocked. So, I could...A) continue via my mobile account or B) walk away and never touch that account leaving it wide open. Why is B the bad choice? First, let's look at "A". "A" would have proven everyone right. NH is completely lost it, he can never come back. He's done. But "B", to everyone, is the "bare minimum". No, "B" shows that I had the option all along and never took it. "B" shows I could have done anything from continuing to normal editing and I chose nothing. What "B" shows is the block worked. "B" shows is the community-at-large is safe, as is the project.

Hopefully, this helps you understand things a tad bit better. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:41, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@ProcrastinatingReader: Please refer to the last two paragraphs of the above post to THTFY for an explanation on mobile account. Hopefully, this helps you understand things a tad bit better. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:44, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Randy Kryn: I make it a point to not cuss in front of kids or teachers. Though, from what I have heard (and I work in an Elementary School), the kids have worse mouths than I do. Geez! I also watch my mouth in public. You can turn off the cussing, it's very easy. In front of people who are comfortable with it, that's when you can relax and turn it on. But, point taken and acknowledged. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 20:50, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Premeditated Chaos: I'm 40, but I thank you for thinking I'm a "young person". Much appreciated there. :) Anyway, for someone who's username is "Premeditated Chaos", maybe we should back down on the doom and gloom just a little. It we are going to start taking out people who aren't "temperamentally suited" for Wikipedia, it's gonna get awfully lonely around here. :) Just sayin'. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GeneralizationsAreBad: Did I say those things? Yes, I did. I haven't denied that. I haven't denied that I was a total asshole that entire time. I have not made one excuse for my behavior either. But looking at only one thing, isn't that a "generalization"? Aren't generalizations are bad? Just sayin'. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@WaltCip: My last indef-block was pre-2013. Post-2013, I have had 3. The one in 2018 was for "clumsiness" and I was unblocked 50 minutes later. But, 3 blocks since 2012. Literally 10 years, 3 blocks. I should note that one of those indef blocks was by Jehochman and was for a day back in 2010. I'm going to ask everyone.....is any of us the same people we were 10 years ago? 2 years ago? If you say "yes", you are lying to yourself. None of us are. We have, hopefully, matured, and we all have damn sure changed since January of 2020. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:18, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@RickinBaltimore: See my reply to WaltCip above. Stay safe in the snow tomorrow, I'll be in it with ya. Saltin' sidewalks at 4a. (I'm along 81). - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

To all: Alright ladies, gentlemen, and non-binary friends...I have to be up at 3a. I have to start doing my snowstorm checklist (even though we are only getting 1-3) by 4a. I work regardless if schools are open or closed (except for holiday break). So, I will be unable to respond until sometime tomorrow evening probably around 5p-ish EST. Thanks for your patience. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 02:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: Because this discussion will continue regardless if I'm working or not. There isn't a pause button for work. :) I brought my job up, which I'm not ashamed of (but you are?) before and I don't mind bringing it up now. I'm a custodian. In case anyone is wondering, there ain't any snow falling, but it's kinda fun when you can play tunes over the PA system. :) - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you want to get unblocked? stick to proving you're not going to be a problem, if you are unblocked. Rambling on about your real life & basically using your 'unblock' request, as a opportunity to chit-chat? isn't going to help you. That being said - If by April 2022, you still haven't socked or evaded your block in anyway? I'll support your unblock. GoodDay (talk) 13:42, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: I did, it wasn't "convincing enough". Look, I'm a "conversationalist", I always have been. I'm going to shoot the proverbial shit with you for a brief second. My job was brought up by me (admittedly), it was brought up by everyone else per the AN thread, I am allowed to respond. Not responding would be seen as "prickly". Plus, when I'm unable to repond, I let people know. :) I also highly doubt that even in April (on 4/20 no less) that I will be unblocked either. I'm also a "realist". Too many people are only seen one thing. My block log from 10+ years ago...like we all haven't changed in 10 years or even 2. No one even looks at the times on those either (some of those were incorrect blocks, like the "clumsiness" block). But, again, I'm not the same person I was 10+ years ago and I think I can safely assume you aren't either...and neither is anyone else. We have all grown. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:15, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Not responding won’t be seen as prickly. The opposite. Stop responding (particularly to GoodDay). It’s not helping you. DeCausa (talk) 22:27, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@GoodDay: We're all happy that you're proud of being a custodian. Mention it enough times on your talkpage & perhaps we'll come up with a medal, to pin it on you. and We don't. But, I do tend to get annoyed, when it appears as though our time might be being wasted. Really? Yeah, I can really count on your support in April. *eyeroll* /sarcasm - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Softlavender: Harsh toke, dude. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 08:44, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Further reply to @Softlavender: Did you actually look at the dates on my block log or just count them? Are you the same person you were 10+ years ago? 2 years ago? I think I can safely assume you are not. We have all matured. Can I safely assume you have had gotten pissed off at someone or a group of someones? Let's remember a text-based website is not conducive to showing emotions, so we are talking in person. Were you blocked/banned from that group? Did that group bring up things you did 10+ years ago? 2 years ago? Highly doubtful. Wikipedia, however, is a website where we, by design, can see everything we have ever done. BUT...that doesn't mean we haven't grown as people in that time. That doesn't mean we don't still have faults too. We can still screw up. But our previous 10+ year old faults aren't indicitive of current "issues".

Instead of being very narrow, looking at just my block log, perhaps look at everything. Blocked three times since 2012. One of those was for 50 minutes and for "clumsiness". I have 75,000 edits to my name, the vast majority in mainspace. I have created over 400+ articles, I have 2 FAs (one, the only of it's project), 5 GAs, and a couple DYKs to my name. The first FA, was in 2010, right in the middle of a few blocks. Even at my "net negative" and "worst", I was still doing Featured Article work and made it to the Front Page of Wikipedia...working with other editors. :) <*still proud of my FAs, I did good work*

Finally, did you read what Floq had to say, in full, when you commented on that AN thread? He said, above the , ...if any editor notices that NH has asked that something he's written on his talk page be added here, please transfer it over. Gotta respond somehow....and there is nothing that says I can't be a part of my own unblock process/defense. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Golbez: Respectfully, you are missing something. Since 2012, I have had 3 blocks. The one in 2018 was for 50 minutes and was for "clumsiness". I have 75,000 edits to my name, the vast majority in mainspace. I have created over 400+ articles, I have 2 FAs (one, the only of it's project), 5 GAs, and a couple DYKs to my name. The first FA, was in 2010, right in the middle of a few blocks. Even at my "net negative" and "worst", I was still doing Featured Article work and made it to the Front Page of Wikipedia...working with other editors. We aren't the people we were 10+ years ago. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Elmidae: Are you the person you were 10+ years ago? Do you still have faults and make mistakes? I rest my case. - Neutralhomer • Talk • 22:48, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]