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Another thing: the area is rife with [[WP:SOCK]]s, and also very active recruiting by pro-Israeli organisations (including the [[Yesha Council]]). Some of the "newbies" you encounter in the IP area have more edits than me... Also; look at their 500 first edits; if they are more or less automatic; then suddenly after 500 edits they plunge into controversial IP articles, well, draw your own conclusion. (We can of of course never, ''ever'' accuse anyone of being a sock, ''except'' on the [[WP:CHK]] page. The most we can do (outside CHK) is to ask them if they ever had a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AInf-in_MD&type=revision&diff=1040439180&oldid=1040083595 prior] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A11Fox11&type=revision&diff=966618202&oldid=965404484 accounts].) (For [[WP:MEAT]]; there is even less help), So: please be careful! cheers, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 21:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
Another thing: the area is rife with [[WP:SOCK]]s, and also very active recruiting by pro-Israeli organisations (including the [[Yesha Council]]). Some of the "newbies" you encounter in the IP area have more edits than me... Also; look at their 500 first edits; if they are more or less automatic; then suddenly after 500 edits they plunge into controversial IP articles, well, draw your own conclusion. (We can of of course never, ''ever'' accuse anyone of being a sock, ''except'' on the [[WP:CHK]] page. The most we can do (outside CHK) is to ask them if they ever had a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AInf-in_MD&type=revision&diff=1040439180&oldid=1040083595 prior] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3A11Fox11&type=revision&diff=966618202&oldid=965404484 accounts].) (For [[WP:MEAT]]; there is even less help), So: please be careful! cheers, [[User:Huldra|Huldra]] ([[User talk:Huldra|talk]]) 21:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC) |
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Yes, I saw your little 23 hours and 59 minutes incident when perusing the activities of my antagonist. I'm a little surprised that there are not better checks and balances in place to censor editors that abusively and trivially resort to arbitration measures. On your other note, I find it very interesting how one other editor in particular also took such a deep interest in your activities in their AE statement (and mine), and referred to other users as newbies despite having not so very many edits on their count themselves. [[User:Iskandar323|Iskandar323]] ([[User talk:Iskandar323#top|talk]]) 05:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC) |
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Hello, Iskandar 323,
If you believe a category should have a different name, propose a category rename at WP:CFD. Do not empty a category "out of process" and create a new category. This loses all of the page history of the original category. I have undone your emptying of category Category:Beer in the State of Palestine. Please do not do this again. Make a proposal at CFD. If you make use of Twinkle, this process is very straight-forward but you'll need to include a reason for the change of name. If you have questions, please bring them to the Teahouse. Thank you. Liz Read! Talk! 01:13, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz Ok, noted - I wasn't exactly sure what the process was! -- Iskandar 323 (talk) 05:59, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Liz Hi - I couldn't find the option for CFD on Twinkle - is it definitely still there for you? Perhaps I am restricted from that function, but I had to propose the category rename manually — Iskandar 323 (talk) 06:20, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
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I'd just like to thank you for drawing Dalia Fadila to my attention. Goodness, how something like that escaped me is beyond me (well, not really. I find out every day a dozen things I should have known and yet . . ) Consider the stub a personal thank you note. Cheers Nishidani (talk) 15:15, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- That's very kind, but I'm a little lost how I might have helped you with that - except perhaps by drawing you to review the page references in a new light... Iskandar 323 (talk) 16:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- Well, when there are revert wars, I tend to ignore checking each edit to the page and do something else, until a modicum of good sense begins to return. Perhaps someone else added it but certainly, when I saw you had reorganized it and cut down the bloat, I noticed the article on her for the first time and assumed you had added it. No matter, thanks.Nishidani (talk) 16:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
- I figured as much. Btw, is the Wikipedia community dying off a bit? It seems like a lot of WikiProjects have gone decidedly inactive. Iskandar 323 (talk) 12:46, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps. My generation's dying off, and some forecasts say the world is too. The only philosophical principle I embrace is, interimism: the bustling praxis of 'qui et nunc in the meantime', and resisting getting pissed off into silence in our mean times, until nature of course sees to it in duke course. Best Nishidani (talk) 14:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I figured as much. Btw, is the Wikipedia community dying off a bit? It seems like a lot of WikiProjects have gone decidedly inactive. Iskandar 323 (talk) 12:46, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
- Well, when there are revert wars, I tend to ignore checking each edit to the page and do something else, until a modicum of good sense begins to return. Perhaps someone else added it but certainly, when I saw you had reorganized it and cut down the bloat, I noticed the article on her for the first time and assumed you had added it. No matter, thanks.Nishidani (talk) 16:47, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
Manscaped moved to draftspace
An article you recently created, Manscaped, is not suitable as written to remain published. It needs more citations from reliable, independent sources. (?) Information that can't be referenced should be removed (verifiability is of central importance on Wikipedia). I've moved your draft to draftspace (with a prefix of "Draft:
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- Bit odd. Six mainstream sources should satisfy notability, esp. for something just off the ground. I.e. also
- Joseph DeAcetis, Find Out How MANSCAPED Saw A Gap In The Space Of Male Hygiene And Consumer Packaged Goods Forbes 13 May 2020
- Meet Paul Tran, Founder and CEO of Rocketship DTC Brand MANSCAPED™ Business Wire 13 April 2020 Nishidani (talk) 14:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Nishidani A lot of the Wikipedia administrators seem to really hate any new articles on companies, possibly due to the constraints on their time in terms of reviewing new content, but the way it works out is that, in defiance of Wikipedia's good faith principles, some seem to prefer to discount content out of hand and make generic comments rather than give it a thorough read. Iskandar 323 (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- I think army slang in the 40s, certainly in the Australian army, faced off exasperating officialdom by recalling in doglatin, nihil illegitimus carborundum which apparently meant, 'never let the bastards grind you down.' Persist.Nishidani (talk) 14:39, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Nishidani A lot of the Wikipedia administrators seem to really hate any new articles on companies, possibly due to the constraints on their time in terms of reviewing new content, but the way it works out is that, in defiance of Wikipedia's good faith principles, some seem to prefer to discount content out of hand and make generic comments rather than give it a thorough read. Iskandar 323 (talk) 14:27, 7 September 2021 (UTC)
September 2021
You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Couscous. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.
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- @M.Bitton Come on, it's you who are engaged in an edit war. You're not engaging with what I am saying, and you are making assertions that are not supported either by a clear rationale or sources. Moghrabieh and maftoul have always been a part of the main body of this article, and it is you who is trying to discard them into the similar foods section without adequate discussion. Should you be engaging in an edit war even if you believe you are right? Even if you have seniority on Wikipedia, you are not entitled to simply forcibly push you opinions when it comes to editing and subject matter, where every editors opinion should be considered equally valid. I do not see you actively working towards consensus, or even good sourcing. Iskandar 323 (talk) 12:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
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Sea Shepherd
Hi Iskander323, you really need ti check your references, you have linked a whole pile of articles to sea shepard- In word usage as on some islands (Isles of Scilly, Hebrides) a sea shepherd is a person who keeps sheep on one or more of the grassy uninhabited outlying islands, and once a year visits those islands in a boat to take away the year's breeding increase. lol Ilenart626 (talk) 14:06, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
Broken 1RR
You broke 1RR [1],[2] Please remove your last edit additions. Thank you --Shrike (talk) 05:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- @Shrike Except I didn't revert more than once in 24 hours, and, even if I had, 1RR is a guideline, not a rule. But in fact, before your message, I made an edit where I specifically refrained from reverting and instead added a modified consensus version of the previous content, while noting that I was doing so in the interest of avoiding edit warring. Please do not mis-categorise or misrepresent people's good faith edits. Iskandar323 (talk) 06:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ok we will check if admins will agree with you. Shrike (talk) 06:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you adhere to the "Assume Good Faith" principle of Wikipedia. You seem belligerent. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- [3] --Shrike (talk) 07:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- You seem to be rather confirming the observation that AGF doesn't really hold much meaning to you. I am having a perfectly civil dialogue on the page in question that you were never involved with. You just joined for drive-by disruption. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:38, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- [3] --Shrike (talk) 07:25, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure if you adhere to the "Assume Good Faith" principle of Wikipedia. You seem belligerent. Iskandar323 (talk) 07:21, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- Ok we will check if admins will agree with you. Shrike (talk) 06:48, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Al Asqa Brigade.
So there seems to be an edit war ongoing regarding the Al Asqa terrorist designation. The recommendations per WP:value laden terms were for an in line citation if there was widely accepted consensus about a group, which I did and you reverted. Other editors have reverted for other reasons despite being provided with multiple examples of similar Wikipedia articles about living persons including the designation. One editor commented that “Palestinians wouldn’t agree” with the terrorist designation.
What exactly is going on here? You mentioned you didn’t think I was “going about it by the right way,” but failed to provide a consensus edit. Concerned there is some bias at hand here. If you think I’m not going about it in the right way, what is your recommended “right way.” ?I will be reverting to your original edit (again) which was relieved by another editor. AVR2012 (talk) 12:28, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- I only meant you were "going about it by the right way" with respect to the sourcing. Generic documents about Al-Aqsa don't really have a place on an individual member's article. My point was that you don't need to add three non-specific sources when you already have a good, specific source that does the same job. However, I am personally a bit lost with regards the wider edit war that now appears to be underway over the broader validity of the terminology, and I have recused myself from editing the substance of this piece. My last few edits (as you may have noted) have only been with regards to the sources and linking, not the content. I obviously have no problem with the final content edit I made, and which you keep reverting to, since I thought that edit, at the time, was a fairly neutral compromise. But I can't speak to the perspectives of the other editors that are getting involved. Iskandar323 (talk) 12:39, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
- AVR2012 has no business editing any I/P articles, since though registered 9 years ago, they have only racked up 223 edits. Therefore all their additions can be reverted at sight.Nishidani (talk) 17:01, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Agree Iksander. Similarly puzzled by the edit war over the terminology. The subject was a “hero” to certain people so perhaps the terrorist designation, while factually accurate, is a bridge to far for them. Which is a NPOV violation. Recent edits changed “civilians” to “targets” (a dehumanization) so this will likely end up being escalated.
Nishidani - WP:CIVIL AVR2012 (talk) 00:39, 16 September 2021 (UTC)
Hi
As a looong-time editor in the IP area; a couple of observations: Yes, of course we should AGF (-and everybody claims they do!); but realize that the smallest infraction will get you reported, to AN, AN/I or AE. (I was just reported for reverting twice; 23 hours and 59 minutes apart (link). So yeah; in the IP area, the 1RR is pretty much "written in stone".
Another thing: the area is rife with WP:SOCKs, and also very active recruiting by pro-Israeli organisations (including the Yesha Council). Some of the "newbies" you encounter in the IP area have more edits than me... Also; look at their 500 first edits; if they are more or less automatic; then suddenly after 500 edits they plunge into controversial IP articles, well, draw your own conclusion. (We can of of course never, ever accuse anyone of being a sock, except on the WP:CHK page. The most we can do (outside CHK) is to ask them if they ever had a prior accounts.) (For WP:MEAT; there is even less help), So: please be careful! cheers, Huldra (talk) 21:34, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
Yes, I saw your little 23 hours and 59 minutes incident when perusing the activities of my antagonist. I'm a little surprised that there are not better checks and balances in place to censor editors that abusively and trivially resort to arbitration measures. On your other note, I find it very interesting how one other editor in particular also took such a deep interest in your activities in their AE statement (and mine), and referred to other users as newbies despite having not so very many edits on their count themselves. Iskandar323 (talk) 05:00, 16 September 2021 (UTC)