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Have you used any prior account on Wikipedia? I'm thinking User:Ledenierhomme and his various socks. nableezy - 19:27, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I believe I did at some stage, about 2-3 years ago, but I forgot what the username was, and I got a new laptop, so I created this one recently. I'm flattered, I'm sure, but why so curious? This User:Ledenierhomme you speak of, is he your White Whale? EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 19:37, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Not really. Why curious? Because we have a policy that prohibits banned users from creating new accounts. No worries, will lay this out in a sockpuppet investigation if I get annoyed enough. nableezy - 19:38, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Please do, it'll be riveting I'm sure! EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 19:41, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Nableezy: his rhetoric sounds so similar, and see this. Beshogur (talk) 19:57, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

"rhetoric"? How is simply quoting - from what I can tell is - the leading academic scholarship on this topic, "rhetoric"? And why should it be any surprise to you that in the talk page and in the article Johanson is cited as an authority numerous times? Shouldn't that tell you something Beshogur? EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 20:09, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Indeed. nableezy - 20:02, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Damn, you got me! Go on then, nableezy, please be my guest, "lay this out in a sockpuppet investigation". Surely I deserve it for tormenting you all these years! EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 20:05, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. Thank you.Beshogur (talk) 10:48, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

You probably have learned what ANI is since this thread, but if not here's a briefing: Administrator's Noticeboard/Incidents is for receiving help for settling disputes or dealing with users when things need administrator attention, such as moving and protecting pages and other things that regular users don't have the ability to do. It's mainly used for discussing or handling users when they get out of hand and if something is posted there about someone it's usually with the intention of getting them blocked to prevent future problems.

You've been mentioned here most likely not for your contributions of these sources you're discussing on the talk page but rather for failing to WP:AGF and be WP:CIVIL, as well as WP:TEXTWALL. Personally, I think this is a premature discussion, but it could be better off for you not to be too bold that your ideals are the right ones in future discussions, and be open to other opinions and discussing them. Maybe also to be less frank with what you feel, because it's often taken personally by other editors. And while you were also criticized for WP:SPA, I wouldn't stress that. People contribute to topics they like and that's it all the time; would I rather prefer to write about the Paper Mario series a seventh time or decide, "Nah, people might accuse me of SPA, lemme force myself to contribute to some cell strand for the next month"? Panini!^🥪 14:03, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Panini!:Are you an admin? EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 14:54, 7 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Nope. Now isn't that ironic? Panini!^🥪 03:41, 8 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

@Panini!:Well thanks (I think?) for your input :-) Can you explain to me - what actually happened to that ANI? It's disappeared, and I never heard anything about it again. Is that typical? Reported "incidents" (I still don't know what the incident was) drift into the ether without an admin/s making a ruling? Would that mean there's generally no penalty for filing frivolous "incident reports"? His last one he accused me of being a sockpuppet (three people on two separate articles have done that - is that also typical on WP?), disruptive editor, and "Also he's definitely not here to build an encyclopedia, (wp:nothere), by his editing rethoric+talk page contributions." Days have gone past, and he still hasn't specified any objections to my edits: only insults and accusations, and complaints that I write too many words on Talk. What I really mean, is it safe to just ignore him at this point?

I clicked on this contributions, can see what his game is, but I can't see that he adds much to the project, or has the degree of competence nor expertise required to meaningfully contribute to his pet subject area.

For example, I clicked here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Benlittlewiki#Arab_name_on_Murad_V

And it's apparent he can't read Ottoman Turkish or even recognize the Ottoman Turkish alphabet, perhaps not even able to differentiate between it and the Arabic alphabet. When I attempted to point out that in the article Murad V's "Ottoman Turkish" written name in the first line was in fact his written name in Arabic, his reply was: "It's the infobox. I mean Arabic alphabet. Sorry for misunderstand."................... what?

And this guy is policing my contributions on linguistics? EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 08:21, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

EnlightenmentNow1792, the discussion was automatically archived by a bot due to lack of activity, but you can still view the discussion here. When a discussion has been automatically archived, usually someone will pull it back into mainspace if they feel it hasn't garnered enough attention on the matter. It's been a couple of days, so I wouldn't stress too much about it. There's a pattern in ANI discussions that usually fall within three categories:

1. Reports of vandalism, trolling, or other urgent requests that is solved immediately and archived.
2. Discussions that are premature or the user who was reported is acting in good faith with some faults. Normally people emphasize that what they're doing is wrong, but after a couple of slaps on the back of the head administrator action isn't required, or at least not at the moment.
3. Probems that have good arguments for both sides and get extremely complicated. Usually they lead to no consensus and everyone moves on, but sometimes its outsourced to something beyond ANI.

I think you fall into category two here, but that doesn't mean you should take the ANI with a grain of salt: avoid satire such as the comments you were called out for there. When I first joined I used satire often, and frankly, things didn't go too well. Besides, comments such as "you are a complete novice in this field" may be viewed poorly (some people might take it personally) and people won't take your proposals seriously, although what you're saying is accurate. And TEXTWALLing is never a good thing; it's most likely difficult to summarize into something minimal considering the size of the topic, so using the templates {{Collapse top|Title of table}} and {{Collapse bottom}} could help condense references and other large explanations you may have. See Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Tables for more. Panini!^🥪 13:56, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, I'll have to learn how to do all that formatting/styles/tables caper. Ugh... I hated computer programming at school! Cheers man. EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 14:50, 10 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I considered mentioning this in the relisting comment, but you have put a lot of text into making your points on the deletion discussion. It is not advisable to bludgeon discussions, as the policy supplement on bludgeoning states: If your comments take up one-third of the total text or you have replied to half the people who disagree with you, you are likely bludgeoning the process and should step back and let others express their opinions, as you have already made your points clear.. This isn’t a terrible mistake to make, and I do understand from your post that this is your first AFD. But, at this stage, as you have made your viewpoint clear on the matter, it would be a good idea to step back and let others in the community now discuss the matter to come to a total consensus. — Coffee // have a ☕️ // beans // 04:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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You have been blocked from editing for a period of 1 week for persistently making disruptive edits. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to make useful contributions.

If you think there are good reasons for being unblocked, please read the guide to appealing blocks, then add the following text below the block notice on your talk page: {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}.  Bbb23 (talk) 16:54, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

{{unblock reviewed|reason="Disruptive editing"? No one ever accused me of that. I've brought dozens of high quality academic sources to the articles I've edited, and dedicated hours to researching the subjects in order to provide guidance to those who tend to edit, shall we say, instinctively. As you blocked me, I had literally just finished my chronological defense of my conduct vis a vis HouseofChange. It is 1,3000 words long, has diffs, and I believes proves conclusively, that the disruption and nastiness started and escalated with HouseOfChange. I spent hours trying to add academic sources to that article, and he deleted them all. There were 16 at my last count. As it stands, he has kept the White Supremacist, antisemitic, degraded, Holocaust denying websites in as worthy sources, whereas mine were expunged totally. He even tried to add some blacklisted sources, repeatedly. I believe you have made a grave error of judgement here sir, that you made it in haste, and that you will feel much different if you take a read of my defence, and have a glance at the dozens of RSs I have introduced to Wikipedia, and the hundreds of hours I have spent researching and curating them. For brevity's sake, I'll post my defence below. I do hope you read it. I'm no angel, but I certainly don't deserve this. EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk)

For the record: HouseOfChange has just written this:

@Bbb23: or some other admin: Could we have an indef block until there is some acknowledgement by EnlightenmentNow1792 that policies AGF, CIVIL, or BLUDGEON apply to him? Even those who consider themselves subject-matter experts don't get free rein to insult and abuse other editors. HouseOfChange (talk) 17:37, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

Previously, I hand counted what I could remember of his insults/accusations (11):

So, 'too wordy', 'unwilling to listen', disrespectful, 'POV-pushing', 'adding peacock text', oh and having a 'political agenda' was I believe his first accusation (the second was being a sockpuppet), now HouseOfChange is moving onto accusing me of having a CoI now a third time now (thankfully he has finally ceased bombing my talk page with warnings and threats that he would take me to this place and get be banned, despite me repeatedly asking him not to on my talk page, four times before he ceased). Now my CoI is that I am a journalist and on here to bash 'my colleagues'? Sorry, no, I'm not, dabbled many, many decades ago, but like square-dancing and cigars, it's just not for me. And I'm the one who has a problem with personal attacks? I'll let the admin/s be the judge of that. I'll try to furnish them with diffs when this bout of nausea dissipates. - EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 16:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC)

All I ever did was criticize his sourcing, and his stubbornness in failing to understand what a RS is.

So who was the greater insulter here? Who displayed more of a battleground mentality? Even after I'm banned, the insults and threats continue, and he wants to see me gone forever. Wow. EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 18:23, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

My Defence Intended for the Incident noticeboard

My first interaction with HouseOfChange, was his reverting[1] my restoration (so, immediately not adhering to the WP:BRD cycle) of content that was reliably sourced and made a fair point. Namely, the Anti-Defamation League questioning why he would twice attend the New Horizon Conference in Tehran, not just in 2014, after which many anti-Israeli journalists expressed disgust at the antisemitism, conspiracy-mongering, and Holocaust denial on display, but again in 2019.

I didn't want to engage in a petty back-and-forth at the time, as it seemed obvious to me the other editor was in unfamiliar territory and would realize who he was defending in good time, or else, and this I thought much more likely, lose interest all together.

The ADL criticism remains absent. As does any criticism. HouseOfChange has made sure of that.

He then proceeded to construct a weighty, quite impressive looking article, which, unfortunately, paid virtually no attention whatsoever as to what qualifies as a reliable source.[2], [3]

Here,[4] he states, upon yet another revert, "restore text and references that clearly show evidence of NJOURNALIST #1. "analyst" is sourced to 2 RS)

What reliable sources cite him, you might ask?

Well, none, really. Jacobin - not a great source - quotes him on his Brazilian compatriot Lula, the quote itself showing the kind of nuance and considered journalism Jacobin is renowned for: "The fact remains that, in the words of journalist and international relations analyst Pepe Escobar, 'Lula is Brazil’s only possible factor of stability.' I don't know who comes out looking the more ridiculous there. Hindsight is 20/20 though of course. Something seasoned journalists are supposed to be well aware of (Pepe's words there are very typically untypically journalistic, if you know what I mean. He never was a reporter, so he never had to temper his language or enthusiasm, or his flights of fancy - 9/11 denial, Covid-denial, and all the rest).

And so it goes, he just does a horrible job of it.

The sources he added ranged from "KBOO FM", school teachers, self-published blogs, "Filmmaker Magazine", etc. Almost all of them were trivial mentions, many times Escobar wasn't even name-checked by the author, one of the hundreds of Op-Eds he penned would merely appear in the footnotes of a source of either unknown or middling reliability/notability.

If the source was solid, like The New Republic, then it would mention Escobar only to disparage him as a spreader of misinformation, hyperbole, flights of fancy and conspiracy theories.

None of this bothered me too much at first, except for the fact that he kept accusing me of things (sockpuppetry, conflict of interest, political bias, etc). He had no evidence for any of this, he just randomly threw these accusations out there.

I thought he'd come around eventually, but his sourcing actually got worse, much worse. A long with his attitude (I kept asking him to please not post big signs and threats on my talk page, but he kept on doing so).

Here,[5] he says "Please AGF that my edits to the article are intended to improve Wikipedia by providing NPOV information about a journalist notable enough for an article".

How could he possibly know at this point if Escobar was a notable journalist? He'd still been unable to find a single notable article penned by him, or another notable journalist citing him.

Nevertheless, he wrote: "Escobar has reported extensively from Afghanistan. In August 2000, Escobar and two other journalists were arrested by the Taliban, and accused of photographing a soccer match." No one was able to find any evidence of this ever actually happening. Escobar has made many such fantastic, unverifiable claims throughout his career. For example, that he met Osama bin Laden before 9/11 and warned everyone about him - no such warnings or reports of a meeting exist in print anywhere prior to 9/11... which he believes was a hoax anyway.

Still, he continued to revert me, restoring the bad sources (filmmakermagazine.com, kboo.fm, etc) I'd removed. And he continued threatening me on my Talk page [6].

This is where things took a weird turn.

Amidst continuing threats [7] he would say things like "You seem to be a new editor, at least with this account, so I hope you will take note of well-meaning advice to review WP:CIVIL and WP:AGF. You should not get into a habit of edit summaries that violate either"

Ironically, he wrote (what was really another veiled pre-emptive threat I can see now in retrospect): "If you want to continue to accuse me of POV-pushing, or if you continue to violate core policies, ANI will be the place to get help from other editors. It's an awful place, and I advise us both to avoid it."

Hate to keep using the word "ironically", but after still failing to find him cited by any peers in RSs, he wrote: "You are mistaken to think that I am trying to portray him as an expert or authority--he is a journalist, widely-cited enough that it is a service to our readers to provide them with some information about him. If you consider him not notable as a journalist, I suggest filing an AfD so that others can express an opinion." [8]

Here[9] he bizarrely accuses me of WP:NPOV for not deleting yet another atrocious self-published source by a non-peer, but just saying ^{[better source needed]}

Here[10] you can see by now his civility has totally disappeared by now, and he can barely conceal his contempt.

Here[11] he again doesn't follow BRD, and accuses me of not following BRD. However, my patience is starting to run a little thin at this point too, so instead of ignoring it like last time, I stand strong and insist he adheres to policy.

After my AfD[12] obliterates his poor sources, he all of a sudden changes his tune completely[13] and the only defense he offers after putting in all this effort is:

"*Weak keep Escobar is just barely notable enough that we do our readers a service by having a short encyclopedia article about him. See above for my reasoning.

The first editor to weigh-in agrees with me 100% and echoes my criticisms of HouseOfChange's poor sources.[14]

But instead of taking on this advice and treating it as a learning experience, he doubles down. And the rest, as they say, is history.

He resorts to Fake News websites, Blacklisted websites, Far-Far Right antisemitic Holocaust Denial websites....Here hides my comments[15] without asking. I don't complain, it's clear to me that this will be over soon... or so I thought...

But no, he starts defending Escobar publishing for RussiaInsider as no big deal.[16] Someone pops up with a YouTube clip, and ludicrously claims "He [Escobar] has also met former Afghan President Hamid Karzai, who frequently reads his work"[17] and all of a sudden he wants to have another swing at it.

Now comes the demonstrably false claim that Escobar "is well known for breaking stories in the Arab and Muslim worlds."[18] The source for this is a friend of Escobars, a former backpacking pal, who somehow managed to blog, once, at The Atlantic Council. But never again. If you read the piece you'll see why. He implies Escobar used to be a CIA agent and he predicted al-Qaeda's presence in Libya before anyone else. This friend of Pepe refers to non-existent articles for think-tanks Escobar never worked for. Escobar has never repeated any of this claims. And Borchgrave's journalistic career predictably ended in disgrace. Mass plagiarism.

By this point he's citing F. William Engdahl, Veterans Today, GlobalResearch.ca, InfoWars, a medical journal (weird), he's standing behind Russia Insider again, quoting philosphers mentioning his name on their website as "a cite from a RS" and, most comically of all, he cites a RS calling Escobar a crank and a non-RS - he tries to use that as an example of his esteem as a journalist.[19]

Upon realizing the mistakes he's made, he sees me active in the Persian Gulf RfC, spots me disagreeing with someone, and then goes over there, to nominate me here, taking that editor - Apaugasma - with him.[20]

It was a cunning, calculated move, timed perfectly to get me blocked. Well played I must say - EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 18:08, 19 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hi EnlightenmentNow1792. Could you please self-revert your edit at Persian Gulf. You were recently blocked for disruptive editing, and "Rejects or ignores community input" is listed as a type of disruption at WP:DE. In holding the RfC, we sought out community-wide input, and now you're rejecting/ignoring the consensus that formed. Firefangledfeathers (talk | contribs) 14:04, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Just tryna follow WP Policy, which is the best guide for improving the encyclopedia. I found your knee-jerk revert - without any reference to the multitude of academic sources provided on the Talk page - as epitomizing disruptive editing. Fortunately WP Policy is on my side. EnlightenmentNow1792 (talk) 14:11, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]