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::::::'''''The Truth According to Wikipedia''''', also referred to as '''''Wiki's Truth''''' ({{lang-nl|Wiki's Waarheid}}), is a Dutch documentary about [[Wikipedia]] directed by IJsbrand van Veelen. It was screened at [[The Next Web]] conference in Amsterdam on 4 April 2008 and aired as an episode of the Dutch [[Television documentary|documentary television series]] ''[[VPRO Backlight|Backlight]]'' ({{lang-nl|Tegenlicht}}) on 8 April 2008.
::::::'''''The Truth According to Wikipedia''''', also referred to as '''''Wiki's Truth''''' ({{lang-nl|Wiki's Waarheid}}), is a Dutch documentary about [[Wikipedia]] directed by IJsbrand van Veelen. It was screened at [[The Next Web]] conference in Amsterdam on 4 April 2008 and aired as an episode of the Dutch [[Television documentary|documentary television series]] ''[[VPRO Backlight|Backlight]]'' ({{lang-nl|Tegenlicht}}) on 8 April 2008.
:::::– Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 19:07, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
:::::– Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 19:07, 30 October 2015 (UTC)
::::::By the way, I think your version is alright as well. – Editør ([[User talk:Editør|talk]]) 19:13, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

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Former good article nomineeThe Truth According to Wikipedia was a Media and drama good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There may be suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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Did You Know
A fact from this article appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the "Did you know?" column on November 24, 2010.
The text of the entry was: Did you know ... that Film Quarterly called the documentary The Truth According to Wikipedia "a sharp and wide-ranging overview of wiki-pistemology"?

Film versus episode

VPRO Backlight is a TV program on Dutch national television. The article portrays The Truth According to Wikipedia as a documentary film and not as an episode of the program. Is 'film' or 'episode' the right term to describe it? – Editør (talk) 20:04, 25 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

The TV program itself refers to it as an 'aflevering' meaning 'episode': [1] [2], which seems more accurate to me. – Editør (talk) 01:08, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
The film premiered globally at the Next Web conference in Amsterdam on 4 April 2008 -- before it was ever shown on television. Therefore, "film" is more accurate. — Cirt (talk) 01:12, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
It seems like a regular Tegenlicht episode. The so-called premiere on 4 April seems to have been merely a preview of that week's episode, which aired on 8 April 2008. – Editør (talk) 01:34, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd rather stick with what secondary WP:RS sources say, rather than individual editor opinion. Thank you, — Cirt (talk) 01:38, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
  • Leitch, Thomas (2014). Wikipedia U: Knowledge, Authority, and Liberal Education in the Digital Age. Tech.edu: A Hopkins Series on Education and Technology. Johns Hopkins University Press. pp. 60–61. ISBN 978-1-4214-1535-2.

In this book it is called a "Dutch television documentary". So we have a secondary source saying it is a television documentary -- but not an "episode" -- rather essentially a Dutch documentary film, that happened to air on television. I think this would be an effective compromise, Editør, how about you ? — Cirt (talk) 01:50, 26 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

I generally have no problem compromising, but I think suggesting it was made as a documentary film or stand-alone television documentary is inaccurate. I would suggest the lead is changed to:
"The Truth According to Wikipedia", also referred to as "Wiki's Truth" (Dutch: "Wiki's Waarheid"), is a 2008 episode of the Dutch documentary television series Backlight about Wikipedia directed by IJsbrand van Veelen.
– Editør (talk) 11:02, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
I'd much rather avoid "episode", as I've not come across that in secondary sources. I have already shown, above, secondary sources that refer to it as a documentary film. How about: "is a 2008 Dutch documentary film produced for the television series Backlight about Wikipedia directed by IJsbrand van Veelen. -- is that a satisfactory compromise, for you, Editør ? — Cirt (talk) 18:20, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Editør:Please see DIFF. Hopefully this is now a satisfactory compromise to you -- and we can all move on from this issue over one (1) word. Summary: Secondary sources refer to it as a documentary, a film, and a documentary film, but not an "episode", so I'd rather stick to the wording used in the overall predominance of the majority of the corpus of secondary sources. — Cirt (talk) 18:24, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
@Editør:I've made yet another attempt at good-faith-gesture-edit, piping links to "documentary" instead of "film" in the lede intro sect, here: DIFF. Hopefully this is now a satisfactory compromise to you, Editør ? — Cirt (talk) 18:36, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe we can be even more precise in the lead?
The Truth According to Wikipedia, also referred to as Wiki's Truth (Dutch: Wiki's Waarheid), is a Dutch documentary about Wikipedia directed by IJsbrand van Veelen. It was screened at The Next Web conference in Amsterdam on 4 April 2008 and aired as an episode of the Dutch documentary television series Backlight (Dutch: Tegenlicht) on 8 April 2008.
– Editør (talk) 19:07, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]
By the way, I think your version is alright as well. – Editør (talk) 19:13, 30 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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