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One of the [[Human rights|human rights]] is the right to life. In April 2015 the Myrotvorets website published the home addresses of [[Oles Buzina]] and [[Oleg Kalashnikov]], and within days they were murdered. On 7 May 2016 Myrotvorets published the personal data of 4,508 journalists, etc. who were perceived as having cooperated with the Russian-backed/controlled [[Donetsk People's Republic]]. Doing this put their lives at risk. Hence the inclusion in categories covering human rights abuses.--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 06:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC) |
One of the [[Human rights|human rights]] is the right to life. In April 2015 the Myrotvorets website published the home addresses of [[Oles Buzina]] and [[Oleg Kalashnikov]], and within days they were murdered. On 7 May 2016 Myrotvorets published the personal data of 4,508 journalists, etc. who were perceived as having cooperated with the Russian-backed/controlled [[Donetsk People's Republic]]. Doing this put their lives at risk. Hence the inclusion in categories covering human rights abuses.--<span style="font-family:Monotype Corsiva;font-size:10pt;color:#000000">[[User:Toddy1| Toddy1]] [[User talk:Toddy1|(talk)]]</span> 06:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC) |
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@Mhorg. [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Myrotvorets&diff=1007122308&oldid=1007120693] - perhaps this is sourced, but this is an extremist website does grave dancing. I would be inclined to remove, and especially the link to website. However, if you insist to keep it, well, this is your responsibility. I am not going to edit war. [[User:My very best wishes|My very best wishes]] ([[User talk:My very best wishes|talk]]) 16:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC) |
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Moscow Connection, Can You fix repeating information and correct the inaccurate date of creation? Can we try to do the article as neutral, as possible.Dctrzl (talk) 08:16, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- The problem is that the text you added is in bad English. I can't really rewrite everything, I don't have much time to spend on it. (I have other things to do.) Now, at last, the lead section is readable. The lead section of a Wikipedia article provides an overview of the topic. Therefore, it usually has parts that are repeated lower on the page. It's normal.
Okay, I can correct the date of creation. I don't think it will take much time. When I was writing the article, I simply took the date from a source I used. When was the website created? In the Russian Wikipedia article, the earliest sources are from December 2014: [1] [2]. We can just write "in the second half of 2014", but it will still be a WP:OR. Can you find a better source? A source with an exact date/month? --Moscow Connection (talk) 08:49, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Moscow Connection. General background information was Ukrainian, because it is missing in the Russian Wikipedia. Here another source. In Russian. Георгій Тука: Народний інформаційний проект
- If you write here, may you ping me? I do not often look to my watchlist.Dctrzl (talk) 09:25, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Dctrzl:. The Facebook post is from December 2014. Was the site created in December 2014? Can you find a better source, something that would say "The website was launched [when]". Or "The Center was founded [when]". --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:36, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- http://ipress.ua/news/volontery_zapustyly_v_interneti_sayt_pro_zradnykiv_i_naymantsiv_yaki_voyuyut_proty_ukrainy_100469.html and http://www.newsru.ua/ukraine/16dec2014/sait_teroristu.html Cathry (talk) 09:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- The problem that it doesn't say when exactly it was created. In December? And both articles cite Facebook posts as sources.
You can change it to December 2014 or simply 2014 if you like. (I don't really want to do it cause I think it would be a WP:OR. But if you insist, you can do it.) If you do it, add the two sources. --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:03, 16 May 2016 (UTC) - Okay, I will change the date. But it's only because you insist. (The Facebook post by George Tuka is from December 2014 and it seems to actually announce the launch of the website [3]. It is the best source for more or less the exact date, so I will have to add it even thought it is just a Facebook post.
Anyway, if someone asks why there are unreliable sources I will say you made me do it. :-) (Really, I had a reliable source that said "January 2015", so I wrote "January 2015".) --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:24, 16 May 2016 (UTC) - User:Dctrzl has already changed the date to "December 2014": [4]. I tried to do it myself about half an hour ago, but I lost the edit as a result of an edit conflict. (I think the Facebook post should still be added as a source cause it is the best one we have that more or less says that the site was actually launched in December.) --Moscow Connection (talk) 10:58, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- Moscow Connection, I shall do it later. Now I have some work to do in real life ;-) --Dctrzl (talk) 11:04, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- December or January is not important for me, but I think sources are reliable enough for December. Cathry (talk) 10:02, 17 May 2016 (UTC)
- The problem that it doesn't say when exactly it was created. In December? And both articles cite Facebook posts as sources.
- http://ipress.ua/news/volontery_zapustyly_v_interneti_sayt_pro_zradnykiv_i_naymantsiv_yaki_voyuyut_proty_ukrainy_100469.html and http://www.newsru.ua/ukraine/16dec2014/sait_teroristu.html Cathry (talk) 09:50, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
- @Dctrzl:. The Facebook post is from December 2014. Was the site created in December 2014? Can you find a better source, something that would say "The website was launched [when]". Or "The Center was founded [when]". --Moscow Connection (talk) 09:36, 16 May 2016 (UTC)
Category:Human rights abuses
An IP editor has removed the categories Category:Human rights abuses and Category:Human rights in Ukraine without explanation. Instead he/she has demanded an explanation for the article being included in the categories.
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- 03:38, 30 August 2018 (Undid revision 857136913 by Toddy1 (talk) Explain)
One of the human rights is the right to life. In April 2015 the Myrotvorets website published the home addresses of Oles Buzina and Oleg Kalashnikov, and within days they were murdered. On 7 May 2016 Myrotvorets published the personal data of 4,508 journalists, etc. who were perceived as having cooperated with the Russian-backed/controlled Donetsk People's Republic. Doing this put their lives at risk. Hence the inclusion in categories covering human rights abuses.-- Toddy1 (talk) 06:02, 30 August 2018 (UTC)
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@Mhorg. [5] - perhaps this is sourced, but this is an extremist website does grave dancing. I would be inclined to remove, and especially the link to website. However, if you insist to keep it, well, this is your responsibility. I am not going to edit war. My very best wishes (talk) 16:05, 16 February 2021 (UTC)