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*'''No''' One citation over such a controversial topic and edit is not enough. Per Wiki's RSs/Perennial Sources, ''PolitiFact'' is a "reliable source for reporting the veracity of statements made by political candidates". Levin is not a politician nor a candidate. This is a continuation of Snooganssnoogans' ongoing [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:TENDENTIOUS]] editing that they are exhibiting across Wikipedia. [[User:UberVegan|<b style="color:#181818;padding:0px;">Uber</b>]][[User talk:UberVegan|<b style="background:#6EEF09;color:#CF5615;">Vegan</b>&#x1f33e;]] 19:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
*'''No''' One citation over such a controversial topic and edit is not enough. Per Wiki's RSs/Perennial Sources, ''PolitiFact'' is a "reliable source for reporting the veracity of statements made by political candidates". Levin is not a politician nor a candidate. This is a continuation of Snooganssnoogans' ongoing [[WP:NPOV]] and [[WP:TENDENTIOUS]] editing that they are exhibiting across Wikipedia. [[User:UberVegan|<b style="color:#181818;padding:0px;">Uber</b>]][[User talk:UberVegan|<b style="background:#6EEF09;color:#CF5615;">Vegan</b>&#x1f33e;]] 19:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
:* What does Levin being a politician or candidate have to do with anything? He's a pundit and he's spouting these falsehoods and conspiracy theories to a sizable audience. Also, please elaborate on what is controversial about the topic - is it in dispute that George Soros is behind the whistleblower complaint against Trump? [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 19:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
:* What does Levin being a politician or candidate have to do with anything? He's a pundit and he's spouting these falsehoods and conspiracy theories to a sizable audience. Also, please elaborate on what is controversial about the topic - is it in dispute that George Soros is behind the whistleblower complaint against Trump? [[User:Snooganssnoogans|Snooganssnoogans]] ([[User talk:Snooganssnoogans|talk]]) 19:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
:::I think it was clear. You cited only one source with questionable reliability per [[WP:RS/P]]. Without more reliable sources, "spouting these falsehoods and conspiracy theories to a sizable audience" is [[WP:OR]], and [[WP:BLP]] extends to the talk page. [[User:UberVegan|<b style="color:#181818;padding:0px;">Uber</b>]][[User talk:UberVegan|<b style="background:#6EEF09;color:#CF5615;">Vegan</b>&#x1f33e;]] 20:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)

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Omitting that Lord and Coyne are conservative partisans

One editor keeps making changes that obscures that Jeffery Lord and John Coyne are conservative partisans. Failing to note this misleads readers into thinking Levin's 2019 book has received mixed reviews when in fact it's been panned by nonpartisan reviewers in reliable sources but lauded by partisans in non-reliable sources. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:04, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

If the text omits that Lord and Coyne are conservative partisans, then the reviews do not belong at all in this article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 15:07, 27 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Awilley, can you please instruct Dcflyer to abide by WP:BRD? The editor refuses to engage on the talk page and keeps edit-warring newly added content into the article. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 12:30, 29 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The one-sided bias advocated in editing this article is amazing. Multiple editors have attempted to balance the content. Not just DCflyier. Yet, instead, this article is becoming more and more a one-sided hit piece. What ever happened to NPOV? Does it not apply to this article? Tag-teaming, to claim a one-sided POV is acceptible, is not how WP is supposed to be. Miguel Escopeta (talk) 18:08, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Very very coincidentally, Mark Levin is complaining about this.[1] Snooganssnoogans (talk) 22:52, 10 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Deep state "conspiracy theories"

Sources that say Levin pushes conspiracy theories about the Deep State:

  • The Atlantic: "Levin and Breitbart’s conspiracy theory"[2]
  • TIME: "Most references from the President himself have been more subtle, alluding to conspiracy theories, like Saturday’s tweet-storm accusing Obama — without any evidence — of wiretapping Trump Tower before the election... Breitbart, the far-right website Bannon used to run, has published numerous articles about an alleged “Deep State” aligned against Trump, including one recapping conservative radio host Mark Levin’s theory that Obama loyalists are waging a “silent coup” against Trump. That article was widely speculated to be the source of Trump’s wiretapping accusation against Obama."[3]
  • WaPo: "the administration conceded that the president was basing his claim not on closely held information, but on a Breitbart News story quoting the conservative radio host and author Mark Levin... But in conservative media, where the claim originated, Trump has gotten credit for cracking open a plot by a “deep state” of critics and conspirators to bring down his presidency. And the perpetrator is former president Barack Obama...
  • ABC Australia: "The question is whether the conspiracy is real or just an unsubstantiated theory... Breitbart's senior editor-at-large Joel B Pollak laid out conservative radio host Mark Levin's case that a "silent coup" was taking place. The article claimed the Obama administration ordered surveillance on Mr Trump prior to the election... However, the claims regarding surveillance by the Obama administration remain unverified and unsubstantiated."[4]

The "conspiracy theory" language ought to be restored. That would be consistent with WP:FRINGE and WP:RS. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:11, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The "conspiracy theory" language should not be restored. What Snooganssnoogans (talk) is attempting to do is to marginalize and prejudice Mr. Levin's positions and statements by characterizing them as "conspiracy theories" and "fringe" beliefs. By leaving the neutral title as simply "Deep State", readers can make up their own minds about the positions.-JohnTopShelf (talk) 19:39, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It's reliable sources that characterize his views as conspiracy theories. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:41, 11 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Include, but be specific and use in-text attributions... don’t state use contentious labels in Wikipedia’s voice (as being “truth”), phrase them as being opinion. Blueboar (talk) 14:55, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Levin's anti-Soros smears belong in the article

The editor Mr Ernie, who is going around Wikipedia to revert me willy-nilly, removed reliably sourced text about Levin's anti-George Soros conspiracy theories - this time in the context of the Trump-Ukraine scandal. This text obviously belongs, and it fits in a pattern of Levin's character (a proponent of conspiracy theories and incendiary rhetoric). Snooganssnoogans (talk) 16:52, 30 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Where is the link that was reverted about Levin's anti-George Soros conspiracy theories? Both here and in the following RfC, I don't think that we should have to search the main page for this information. --UberVegan🌾 18:07, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
There is one source cited in "References" in the RFC. You don't have to search for anything. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 18:20, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
None of the text you added is encyclopedic or neutral. Please don't do that. It's simply an attack on a BLP using Politifact, which is something you do frequently. Mr Ernie (talk) 07:54, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

RfC: Whistleblower - George Soros conspiracy theory

Should we insert a sentence about Mark Levin's conspiracy theories about the Trump-Ukraine scandal whistleblower, which includes falsely linking the whistleblower to George Soros?[1]

References

  1. ^ "A look at the whistleblower's legal team". @politifact. Retrieved 2019-10-29.

Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:31, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Survey

  • Yes. Levin is renowned for his incendiary rhetoric (which has been the subject of peer-reviewed research and academic treatments[5][6]), right-wing conspiracy theories and pro-Trump advocacy. His conspiracy theories about the Ukraine whistleblower is just one piece of basic content that fleshes out Levin's rhetoric across a range of issues during Trump's presidency. Snooganssnoogans (talk) 14:34, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • It depends - Are there a significant number of reliable sources that discuss Levin’s role in promoting/spreading this particular conspiracy theory? If not, then our mentioning/highlighting it will be UNDUE. Blueboar (talk) 14:46, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No per Snoogan's general editing pattern of advocacy. –Deacon Vorbis (carbon • videos) 14:48, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, It is not our job to "flesh out" anything. Per Blueboar, without coverage of this, it just another example of Levin expressing his opinions. MB 15:14, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No per Snoogans misguided beliefs in what is encyclopedic based on their history of NPOV editing. Mr Ernie (talk) 19:00, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • No One citation over such a controversial topic and edit is not enough. Per Wiki's RSs/Perennial Sources, PolitiFact is a "reliable source for reporting the veracity of statements made by political candidates". Levin is not a politician nor a candidate. This is a continuation of Snooganssnoogans' ongoing WP:NPOV and WP:TENDENTIOUS editing that they are exhibiting across Wikipedia. UberVegan🌾 19:16, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What does Levin being a politician or candidate have to do with anything? He's a pundit and he's spouting these falsehoods and conspiracy theories to a sizable audience. Also, please elaborate on what is controversial about the topic - is it in dispute that George Soros is behind the whistleblower complaint against Trump? Snooganssnoogans (talk) 19:25, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think it was clear. You cited only one source with questionable reliability per WP:RS/P. Without more reliable sources, "spouting these falsehoods and conspiracy theories to a sizable audience" is WP:OR, and WP:BLP extends to the talk page. UberVegan🌾 20:09, 5 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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