Alinor
[edit]Placed on-notice of ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions. Request for clarification filed at WP:A/R/CL. AGK [•] 14:58, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Alinor[edit]
While under a topic-ban from Kosovo-related articles, Alinor did engage in a edit-war in an article related to the same topic (or to be more precise, he edit-warred over the same topic on a related article). Note the current sanction was for edit-warring.
March 4, 2011. Alinor was topic-banned from Kosovo-related articles for a period of three months [2]. After this happens: 1. [3] A long dispute over the sorting criteria for List of sovereign states ends in an informal mediation stage. A rough consensus emerges, but two users (Alinor among them) refuse to compromise with the majority. The mediator closes the mediation as unresolved. 2. [4] While moving to close the mediation, the mediator states: "I suggest that a sufficient consensus on sandbox 3i2 has developed here for it to be implemented directly over any objections. Those who might still object are (obviously) within their rights to challenge that action, but I strongly recommend that any such challenge not involve further debate between these participants, but be turned over to third parties via RfC, 3rd Opinion, formal mediation, or arbitration." 3. [5] Indeed, the mediation closes with thirteen users accepting this sandbox as a new version of the page to be improved on. You can see evidence of acceptance here [6] [7] [8]. The "3i2 version" becomes the consensual version accepted by thirteen users, while the two opposers (Alinor among them) continue to object to it without proposing any alternative than convinces the community. Note this sandbox was created and proposed on 21 May. 4. [9] Time is given for the sandbox to be reviewed and objections raised. Since no more users object about it, it is incorporated into the main article space on 29 May. It should be noted that the two opposers made no alternative proposals during this period, despite being repeatedly prompted to do so (they continued to cling to their positions made during the mediation, failing to compromise with the consensus adopted by the other users). The acceptance of this version is not implied to be a claim on ownership of the article or to unilaterally close the dispute resolution process. 5. [10], [11], [12], [13] One of the two opposers begins to edit war over the consensus version with several other users, intending to restore the previous version . An uninvolved administrator intervenes and determines this version [14] is the consensus version. 6. [15] After the administrator has made his call, Alinor continues the edit war, claiming no consensus exists. Page is protected after this. On the talk page and on the mediation, Alinor has stated repeatedly that his reasons for opposing the consensus have to do in part with how "RoK" (Republic of Kosovo) is portrayed. Three examples: [16], [17], [18]. He is not satisfied with the current consensus but instead of following proper avenues for continuing dispute resolution, has engaged in edit-warring. Alinor, during the duration of a temporal topic ban, knowingly and willingly engaged in an edit war in a related article, explicitly stating that one of his reasons to edit-war was an inconformity with the portrayal of Kosovo in the page. I argue that this is acting against the spirit of the previous sanction applied to Alinor. I read that in the previous case, where he earned the topic-ban, he edit-warred, tried to WP:BLUDGEON the process and did not engage in constructive listening of other people's points (WP:HEAR). He apparently did not learn anything from the previous AE, because he is adopting the same behaviour in this case.
At the time of engaging in the edit war (June 1) [19], Alinor was under a three-month topic ban (set to expire on June 4, 2011). Appropriate admin warnings and arbitration decisions can be found here: [20]
Extension of the current topic ban.
In case somebody wants to argue that Alinor did not "edit war" because he made only one edit to the page, it must be emphasized again that an administrator intervened to restore a page to a consensual version after an edit-war, and Alinor continued the edit war in defiance of the admin action. In addition, this probably goes without saying, but if my behaviour in this case deserves a sanction I am completely willing to accept it, no questions asked.
Discussion concerning Alinor[edit]Statement by Alinor[edit]Comments by others about the request concerning Alinor[edit]@T.Canens, is there any obvious reason to treat this any harsher than any other 'ethnic' AE area? In other words, is there a good reason to think that this slightly different wording was deliberate? - BorisG (talk) 13:52, 5 June 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Alinor[edit]
One second. The drafting of WP:ARBKOS is....not a work of art. WP:ARBKOS#Modified states that "editors of Kosovo and related articles who engage in edit warring, incivility, original research, or other disruptive editing, may be banned for an appropriate period of time, in extreme cases indefinitely." What ban are we talking about here? Contemporary cases, such as Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Honda S2000, seems to indicate that "ban" here is used in the sense of a site ban or block and not a topic ban. Has Alinor been warned about WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions? T. Canens (talk) 12:43, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
I propose that we formally warn Alinor per WP:ARBMAC#Discretionary sanctions and call it a day. I find working with ARBKOS excessively frustrating. For instance, which enforcement provision should we follow, Wikipedia:ARBKOS#Enforcement by block or Wikipedia:ARBKOS#Enforcement by block 2? Perhaps we can request clarification from arbcom (except that none of the arbs who participated in that decision are serving), but I don't think it's worth the effort given that the general sanctions of ARBKOS would have been entirely subsumed by ARBMAC but for the additional warning requirement, which is not that big of a deal. T. Canens (talk) 14:29, 5 June 2011 (UTC)
Interjection: I wasn't on the Committee in 2006 but it appears that EdJohnston is correct, that enforcement 1 and enforcement 2 were meant as alternatives but wound up both being passed instead. From the proposed decision page, I suspect that enforcement 2 would probably have been first choice if anyone had asked the arbitrators at the time, but it's too late now. I also agree, individually, that T. Canens' suggestion to use the more up-to-date remedy structure from the Macedonia case makes sense. If anyone wants to post a request for clarification to make this more official, I have no objection. Newyorkbrad (talk) 17:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)
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Lutrinae
[edit]Topic banned from I/P, 4 months. Restricted to one account on I/P pages, 1 year. AGK [•] 11:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Lutrinae[edit]
There are so many violations of the sanctions that I'm struggling a bit to know where to start here. This is a single purpose account who seems to be a textbook example of the kind of tendentious and disruptive editor the sanctions were designed to keep under control. I and others have tried to be patient with this editor but it hasn't helped. Intervention is now required. This all started at the beginning of February 2011 when the editor started editing the Palestinian people article from dynamic IP's listed below, registered to the University of Hawaii.
He subsequently registered as Lutrinae on 28 April 2011, two days after the article was semi-protected because of disruption [23], much of which was caused by him. Disruptive misuse of edit summaries He has a very bad habit of using edit summaries that misrepresent the nature of his edits. Here the editor removes reliably sourced, policy compliant material
He was reverted.
He repeated the edit together with a few more changes.
He was reverted again.
He repeated the edit together with a few more changes.
He was reverted again.
I think the cycle was repeated at least one more time. A particularly disruptive cycle Here is the beginning of a particularly disruptive cycle. The editor removed information from an impeccably reliable academic source by Assaf Likhovski, a book that was awarded the Yonathan Shapiro Best Book Award in Israel Studies in 2007. He also removed 2 more reliable references.
To his credit he came to my talk page to explain. Unfortunately that made matters worse. Please read it in full because it provides an overview of everything that is wrong with this editor's approach in microcosm. Can I ask that only admins who are willing to look at the substance of the discussion and spend the time to read it involve themselves in this AE report please ? It isn't very long but it includes examples of the editor's extreme tendentiousness, the disruptive dismissing of reliably sourced information based on his own real world opinions, an admission that he didn't read the source cited, an accusation that I didn't read the source (...somewhat puzzling given that I added the content and source...please note the effort I made to make sure that he could see the source for himself), and the extraordinary degree to which the editor assumes bad faith. The editor has repeated his removal of this information again [30], and again [31], and again [32] (note that he refers to content from an RS as OR, a common theme). Before the last edit I posted a warning on the article talk page Talk:Palestinian_people#Stop_the_disruption at 05:30, 3 June 2011 (UTC) that I would take this to AE if it continues. The disruption has not stopped. He still went ahead with the last edit and he continues to repeat the false and bizarre accusations about having "caught me in a lie" about the Likhovski source despite the extensive discussions on my talk page where I made sure he could see it for humself, despite me reminding him of that, and despite another editor, OhioStandard, explaining it to him again. I have demanded that he strike the accusations. I don't mind what he accuses me of no matter how ludicrous it is and but he can't be allowed to behave like this in the topic area. Repeated disruptive removal of pictures The editor has repeatedly removed pictures, some of which are featured pictures, and has been reverted by multiple users. (see [33], [34], [35], [36] and [37]. I may have missed some. I had a discussion with the editor about this disruption on my talk page early in the cycle. User_talk:Sean.hoyland/Archive_3#Palestinian_pictures. It also been discussed on the article talk page to no avail (Talk:Palestinian_people#A_leaner_article_would_be_a_better_article.) There have also been various other issues such as objections to his repeated use of the term "Pally" to describe Palestinians, his tendentious style of arguing without sources and what not. I will supply diffs if necessary later.
topic ban...at least for a while. Let him learn to edit in other areas for a while.
This editor is not all bad. Some of his challenges have been useful (e.g. I made some picture captioning changes in light of somne of his comments) but he must not be allowed to carry on as he is right now in this topic area. He needs to learn at the very least to provide sources to support his statements and to stop voicing his personal opinions....and of course not making patently false accusations.
Discussion concerning Lutrinae[edit]Statement by Lutrinae[edit]Comment by Zero0000[edit]This filing is overdue. Lutrinae is pure disruption with no redeeming features. He can't even bear the word "Palestinian" which he thinks is a "ridiculous phrase" [39], preferring instead the word "Pally" that is popular on racist web pages. Please help him to go away so we can get some proper editing done. Zerotalk 10:49, 7 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Lutrinae[edit]Result concerning Lutrinae[edit]
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86.156.129.169 sockpuppetry
[edit]Accounts blocked outside of AE. AGK [•] 22:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Please could an admin or someone have a look at this User:86.156.129.169 and this User:86.141.5.100 and possibly this one as well User:86.154.7.171. I do not really know what is happening here but it does not look right.Seem to be new users who head straight to the same article.Some dodgy editing.Owain the 1st (talk) 20:51, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
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Clarification required on scope of Israel-Palestine articles
[edit]All articles in the Palestine-Israel conflict space are currently under a 1-revert per day restriction. There's an article - The Sergeants affair - that deals with events in July- August of 1947 (hanging of 2 British mandate soldiers by Irgun) which to me is obviously within the scope of the restriction. An editor has claimed that because Israel was only founded in 1948, and because the incident involves only Jews and British, that article is not subject to the restriction (and by implication, neither do any articles that deal with events prior to May 1948, or that do not involve both Arabs and Jews). I think that can't be right, but perhaps I'm mistaken, so I think some clarification is needed. I've asked an uninvolved administrator (AGK) who has been active in enforcing arbitration requests here, and he has voiced agreement with my view (see http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AAGK&action=historysubmit&diff=433038275&oldid=433036853), but suggested it might be useful to ask for clarification here, as well. Red Stone Arsenal (talk) 15:47, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Please stop making up stuff about what I said.I said that Israel was not formed at the time and that the incident involved the Jews and the British no Arabs.I did not say that all articles pre 1948 were not in the scope of the arbitration.Plus maybe someone should make it clear as to what articles are actually involved in that arbitration and also put headings on those talk pages so people know.Owain the 1st (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- The article on Irgun is under WP:ARBPIA, and the The Sergeants affair is about murders committed by Irgun. See Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Area of conflict. "The area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted." The phrase 'broadly interpreted' is significant. I agree that this article should have an ARBPIA banner. I see that one was placed on the talk page by Red Stone Arsenal on 6 June. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Owain, I think it is impractical to find all articles that would fall under these restrictions and place banners on them. How can we find them? Besides, on Wikipedia, new articles are created every day. Thus such a banner is only placed once someone notiices that it is due. That is my understanding; I may be wrong. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 17:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- OK but maybe it would be wise to inform people that if they start a page in that area that they need to put up that notice straight away to stop confusion when other people edit it.Owain the 1st (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I agree that the article is subject to ARBPIA. I just added the edit notice. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I cannot see that you have added anything on that page.It already has the notice on the talk page Owain the 1st (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- If you open an edit window, you'll see a warning that editors are limited to one reversion per day. That's the edit notice. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Ah ok, I wondered what you were on about.Owain the 1st (talk) 17:38, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- If you open an edit window, you'll see a warning that editors are limited to one reversion per day. That's the edit notice. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I cannot see that you have added anything on that page.It already has the notice on the talk page Owain the 1st (talk) 17:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- (edit conflict) I agree that the article is subject to ARBPIA. I just added the edit notice. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 17:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- OK but maybe it would be wise to inform people that if they start a page in that area that they need to put up that notice straight away to stop confusion when other people edit it.Owain the 1st (talk) 17:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- Owain, I think it is impractical to find all articles that would fall under these restrictions and place banners on them. How can we find them? Besides, on Wikipedia, new articles are created every day. Thus such a banner is only placed once someone notiices that it is due. That is my understanding; I may be wrong. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 17:13, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- The article on Irgun is under WP:ARBPIA, and the The Sergeants affair is about murders committed by Irgun. See Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Area of conflict. "The area of conflict in this case shall be considered to be the entire set of Arab-Israeli conflict-related articles, broadly interpreted." The phrase 'broadly interpreted' is significant. I agree that this article should have an ARBPIA banner. I see that one was placed on the talk page by Red Stone Arsenal on 6 June. EdJohnston (talk) 17:05, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
I agree that this article should fall under 1rr - generally I would suggest that in any situation involving editors known to be participating in I/P and in articles that could even tangentially be related to I/P it is much better to err on the side of caution, restraint and proper WP:DR venues. In general I would urge everyone to take to centralized discussions at WP:IPCOLL or specific noticeboards as soon as friction arises. un☯mi 17:39, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I have removed a discussion between User:Red Stone Arsenal and several other contributors, that concerned Red Stone's history on Wikipedia and whether he had previously edited from another account. Whilst such discussions are undeniably valuable, especially in a topic area that suffers from sock-puppetry as frequently as does Israel/Palestine, the tone of the discussion was uncomfortably intense, and many of the participants were being unduly persistent. It was quite embarrassing, actually. That's a person behind that username, so enough with the hounding. Discussions concerning sock-puppetry should not be raised "since we're here", but rather in an appropriate venue—which would first be the editor's talk page, and then SPI. Take it to the appropriate place, folks. AGK [•] 22:57, 7 June 2011 (UTC)
- I have undid the restoration of the discussion. Just as administrators are authorised generally to put {{hat}}s over irrelevant discussion, so too can they remove discussion that is not on-topic, or is otherwise not productive or appropriate. We do not specify every minute eventuality in policy, because we follow the spirit, not the letter, of guidelines and other documents. Furthermore, this noticeboard is for the discussion of arbitration decisions that have an element of community enforcement. The above clarification thread relates to this process, but vague, not definitively–proven allegations of sock-puppetry do not. AGK [•] 09:22, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- AGK has now twice deleted comments by six different users here that are relevant to the issue of new accounts with obviously experienced users behind them in the Israel/Palestine topic area. Interested parties may view the thread as it existed before each of his consecutive deletions here and here. Perhaps the content was technically off-topic for this thread; I had believed that the severe problem it concerns would not have been thought off-topic for this board. It's my belief that his repeated deletion was improper, but I won't engage in an edit war with him to restore the content. – OhioStandard (talk) 14:11, 8 June 2011 (UTC)
- I have explained my action fully. While you may say it is incorrect, it is misleading to say it is inappropriate. If asked, I would probably say that linking to the removed comments is inappropriate on your part, but I am not going to delete the diffs. Regards, AGK [•] 09:41, 9 June 2011 (UTC)
Headbomb
[edit]No action taken. NW (Talk) 14:37, 11 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below. Request concerning Headbomb[edit]
As appropriate.
When I reminded Headbomb of the moratorium, he responded: "See WP:BUREAUCRACY and WP:IAR. These moves have nothing to do with the ARBCOM mess anyway."
Discussion concerning Headbomb[edit]Statement by Headbomb[edit]This is pure sycophancy. These kind of move were never contentious, either pre- or post-ARBCOM crap (which I admittedly haven't followed). Proper titles either use colons or endashes (aka Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows: Part 1 or Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows – Part 1. I can move Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows − Part 1 (soundtrack) (which has a minus rather than an endash for some reason) to its proper title [which is how it all started], but I can't move Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows - Part 1 to its dashed version? That's a textbook case of WP:BUREAUCRACY. We're to have some titles with their improper hyphenated version, and some with their proper endashed version??? Give medals to Sarek for blindly following rules and admonish, ban, or permaban me to your heart's content, but this is as far as I indulge you in this exercise in futility. Deliberate all you want, I won't read it. Enjoy your circle jerk. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 16:51, 9 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Headbomb[edit]
Result concerning Headbomb[edit]
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User:Barong
[edit]Barong ranges blocked by Amalthea; specific IPs also blocked. General advice given to Barong. AGK [•] 10:18, 13 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning User:Barong[edit]
I am looking for the ban against User Barong to now be enforced because they're in breach of the motion mentioned above by editing from an IP and signing from their other account, Jack Merridew.
I am unable to provide diffs to warnings simply because of the length of time that this has been going on for. I am unable to locate them.
Discussion concerning User:Barong[edit]Statement by User:Barong[edit]Jack and Barong are not banned; they're not even blocked. They're sul:locked because I scuttled them. I was directed to name another account that I wish to use (which I've not done). I didn't 'sign' as Jack, I linked to that account, and signed with an IP/timestamp. Bzzt. Anyway, this is all about my ignoring inappropriate indefinite restrictions that many have stated should have long ago been lifted. Epic-project-failure. Barong (mythology). 114.79.58.183 (talk) 05:25, 13 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning User:Barong[edit]Jack continues to thumb his nose at ArbCom and the comnunity, playing both sides of the sreeet, pretending not to be Jack while obviously being Jack. If ArbCom is going to go for this ruse, so be it, but from the standpoint of anyone who's actually cognizent of reality, Jack has once aqain given the finger to the community. ArbCom needs to enforce its edict, and not let Jack run roughshod over them: Jack has been instructed to edit from one account, and to communicate with ArbCom via emial what account that will be. He has chosen instead to edit from an IP account without contacting ArbCom. ArbCom, if its authority is not to be undermined, needs to block his current IP. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:00, 13 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning User:Barong[edit]
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Communicat
[edit]Communicat blocked one week for personal attacks and violation of his topic ban. EdJohnston (talk) 03:06, 18 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Communicat[edit]
Communicat (talk · contribs) has returned to editing as Communikat (talk · contribs) (openly declaring that he is using a new account at User:Communikat and elsewhere ) and has resumed making personal attacks on other editors involved in the arbitration case and complaining about the case's outcome:
Not applicable, but Communicat was blocked this exact behavior last week: [41] (he was editing under an IP account)
Request that Communikat (talk · contribs) be blocked for again violating their restrictions against personally attacking other editors and commenting on articles relating to World War II and its aftermath per the remedies specified in the arbitration case.
While sockpuppetry isn't an issue at present, Communicat's claim that when this was previously raised it was "unsupported assumptions and without any hard evidence whatsover" is clearly false as he's actually been blocked for sock puppetry/block evasion: Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Communicat/Archive and Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/World War II/Evidence#Communicat has engaged in sockpuppetry. Nick-D (talk) 08:23, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Communicat[edit]Statement by Communicat[edit]Nick-D claims falsely that I have been topic-banned from "commenting on articles relating to World War II and its aftermath per the remedies specified in the arbitration case." In terms of the Arbcom case, I am topic-banned specifically from editing or commenting upon the "World War II and Aftermath of World War II" articles, as identified by the provision of specific links specified clearly in the Arbcom decision. I am not topic-banned from all articles "relating to" WW2 and its aftermath as falsely alleged. There are many individual wikipedia articles relating to World War II and its aftermath, and their individual titles are too numerous to list here. I have NOT been specifically banned from editing or commenting those articles, and my recent postings have neither edited nor commented the specific World War II and/or Aftermath of World War II articles. I have, however, referred in passing to certain matters concerning "a broad range of articles" edited by me, and that broad range of articles were not necessarily in reference to the specific articles from which I am topic-banned. I have in the past edited and/or discussed a variety of other articles outside the ambit of the military history project, as well as some non-WW2 and non-Aftermath of World War II articles within that project. Nick-D complains that I have commented at my user page and/or elsewhere upon the Arbcom decision referred to above. I have of course not been banned from commenting upon that decision, and I am perfectly entitled to do so if I wish. For Arbcom to have banned me from mentioning of commenting on its decision would have at least notionally have had the effect of prohibiting me from lodging any appeal against its decision, which in turn would have been a violation of wikipedia policy. The same applies to any requests for review or any appeals by me against any subsequent blocks or any statements, such as this present one in rebuttal of Nick-d's latest request that I be blocked once again. I have not made any intentional personal attack since my last block expired yesterday. What I have done is to cite specific wikipedia rules in reply to certain unfounded comments and erroneous and/or tendentious claims stated by certain editors taking part in Contributor Copyright discussions about me and/or my participation at wikipedia. Is this how it works: other editors can say what they want to about me and/or my contributions, but I have to remain silent, or when I do exercise my right of reply on justifiable grounds citing WP rules, its seen paradoxically as a "personal attack"? In view of the above facts and matters, and IMO, this latest request by Nick-D amounts to nothing other than clear harrassment. Communikat (talk) 15:15, 15 June 2011 (UTC) I reject Boris-G's unfounded allegation below, to the effect that I am attempting sockpuppetry. I have made it very clear (about 24 hours before Boris-G posted his false allegation) that I am in fact the former Communicat. This was made clear on my new user page, on my talk page, as well as at my former IP address talk page, and at the CCI discussion page. Communikat (talk) 15:48, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Communicat[edit]
Admins should examine whether this is within the topic ban or not. ArbCom is unlear in its decision: "Communicat is prohibited from editing and commenting on articles about World War II or the Aftermath of World War II." (emphasis BorisG). Is it about these topics or is it those two articles only? - BorisG (talk) 16:22, 15 June 2011 (UTC) I should add that of the diffs presented here, #1 is a mild personal attack, while #2 and #3 are incomprehensible to me. But none appears particularly disruptive to me. - BorisG (talk) 17:07, 15 June 2011 (UTC) @T. Canens. OK, it makes sense. But obviously, this is not how Communicat understood this. Please clarify to Communicat what he is and isn't allowed to edit. Not everyone is as experienced as you are. Cheers. - BorisG (talk) 17:28, 15 June 2011 (UTC) @Hint to Communikat: Walls of text don't help. - BorisG (talk) 11:28, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Communicat[edit]
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Dicklyon
[edit]No action taken. Dicklyon is advised not to violate the hyphen-dash injunction. EdJohnston (talk) 03:12, 18 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Dicklyon[edit]
There is an ArBCom injunction here against "article title changes that are due to hyphen/endash exchange. The only edits allowed will be to create a redirect to the existing article title until the resolution of the debate below." This move request, from multiply-accumulate (hyphen) to Multiply–accumulate operation (dash( is a patent evasion of that moratorium; I tried dealing with this as a side-issue to the question whether a word should be added. Please deal with it; it may also be informative to see what else Dicklyon and Noetica have gotten away with. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
Please amend the move request to not request a dash; warn Dicklyon and Noetica not to do this again.
Here: I will refine the link after I file. Septentrionalis PMAnderson 00:37, 16 June 2011 (UTC) Discussion concerning Dicklyon[edit]Statement by Dicklyon[edit]I have no objection to the requested enforcement action if that's deemed useful. I had already agreed with PMA that a slash would be a safe alternative if the moratorium is thought to apply. Dicklyon (talk) 02:47, 16 June 2011 (UTC) Statement by Noetica[edit]I have only now become aware that User:Pmanderson has made this approach (that is, after the result was posted below). It is improper that the instigator did not duly advise me of his action, though he surreptitiously names me and seeks action against me (his move is formally against another editor, not me). I object also to his suggestion that I have done anything at all against any ruling, injunction, policy, guideline, principle of good faith, or standing order of any sort. I stated in my first post at that RM: "This is an especially difficult case, and one that I would not have brought in the current climate." I also agreed with a point made at the RM, making this comment: "Indeed, it does not infringe the ArbCom injunction: it is not 'due to an exchange of hyphen and dash' [a quote from the relevant ArbCom injunction], but only involves one incidentally to the matter of wording." I object strongly to these remarks from PMAnderson: "Please deal with it; it may also be informative to see what else Dicklyon and Noetica have gotten away with"; and "Please [...] warn Dicklyon and Noetica not to do this again." These are gross violations of procedure and fairness, politically and selectively deployed against me. Why was User:CWenger not named (who posted just as I did at the RM, supporting it)? Interestingly, CWenger has voted with PMAnderson in recent RMs concerning dashes and hyphens. If we are to be alerted to what people have "gotten away with", Dicklyon and I are not the editors of interest. If anyone has anything to say against me, with the unblemished record that my log shows, I will be entitled to due process. I thank AGK for giving us a definite interpretation for this sort of RM (see below), where the wording of the original injunction had warranted more than it intended to. NoeticaTea? 00:47, 18 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Dicklyon[edit]No injunction on discussion[edit]I think the move discussion is fine, but it should not be executed until after the injunction is over. Similarly, I put another move discussion "on hold" awhile back. We just won't close it until after the injunction. I can put a note on the rm, and keep relisting it to help prevent closure. ErikHaugen (talk | contribs) 17:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Dicklyon[edit]
If this can be settled without AE action, it should be. I don't see a pressing need to resolve the space/slash/hyphen/endash problem, so I would suggest keeping the status quo until the injunction is no longer in force. T. Canens (talk) 06:59, 16 June 2011 (UTC)
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Russavia
[edit]Russavia and Tammsalu (aka Martin, the filing party) blocked for 24h each for violating the EEML interaction ban. AGK [•] 20:53, 19 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Russavia[edit]
Not applicable. Aware of the result of the ArbCom case.
Block or ban
As legitimate and necessary dispute resolution I was permitted to participate in the original WP:ARBRB case where my evidence and workshop suggestions where taken on board and subsequently led to Russavia's current interaction ban[49]. In this case Russavia initiated the unwanted interaction by reverting my edit here therefore I have a legitimate and necessary reason to resolve this dispute and asking an administrator to end that unwanted interaction and ensure that the Arbitration decision continues to be enforced by bringing it here. I note that Russavia continues to breach the ban by commenting about me on his talk page[50]. @AGK, seven days after opening this request and four days after sanctioning Russavia, I'm not sure why this report has remained opened, no other admin has deemed it necessary to take any further action, let alone comment on your block. I am wondering why you are still considering blocking me despite the passage of time making the issue stale. If Russavia wants to pursue further action, he ought to go to Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests, rather than present a wall-o-words here. Now if he wants to interact with other former members of the EEML, fine, but he ought to ask ArbCom to amend his ban, rather than apparently thumb his nose at you with further prohibited interaction[51] immediately after coming off his block. --Martin (talk) 10:59, 17 June 2011 (UTC) It is a bit rich of Nanobear (talk · contribs) (who was indef site banned for taking the WP:BATTLEGROUND to the depths of WP:OUTING) to accuse me of "battleground behaviour" because of my habit of lazy edit comments, which as far as I know have never been subject of any ArbCom remedy to enforce. As for his claim "Tammsalu is now taking advantage of Russavia's block and the latter's now-sanctioned inability to contribute to an article", that is nonsense, Russavia block has had no effect on him editing Russophobia[52] or the talk page[53]. --Martin (talk) 12:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
In regard to AGK's conclusion that I violated the interaction ban in filing this report, WP:IBAN explicitly exempts seeking admin intervention in violations of interaction bans by the other party:
Reporting a violation to WP:AE, which is the appropriate forum in this case, is in effect seeking admin action which is explicilty permitted by WP:IBAN. Secondly, his claim that I am not an established contributor to Russophobia while Russavia is, is incorrect. I started editing that page on 2007-03-13 with 54 edits while Russavia started in 2008-06-22 with 36 edits [57]. My previous edit to that article was on June 3rd[58]. My sum total of two edits to Russophobia since was to ask for a quote [59] and raise the issue of possible OR issues [60] hardly disruptive acts compared to Russavia's direct reverts [61],[62],[63] Therefore, while the block itself cannot now be undone, I ask that AGK in fairness to re-evaluate the appropriateness of his block, and in light of the explicit exemption of reporting violations contained WP:IBAN to amend the result here recording no violation on my part before final closure. --Martin (talk) 00:43, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
Notified [64]
Discussion concerning Russavia[edit]Statement by Russavia[edit]Who is Tammsalu? A couple of hours ago I skimmed thru their contribs and noticed that the editor had edited since several years ago, I just assumed that it was a long-standing editor I hadn't crossed paths with. Only just now, by way of Martintg posting to my user talk page, and starting this request and claiming a link to EEML, have I realised that User:Martintg has changed his username. But even in that case, the edit by Tammsalu was not just the inclusion of a see-also link, but also rewording of information in an article which changes the complete meaning of what was written. I have reverted, and re-included the see-also link in my edit. There is no dispute here, nor should there be. As per Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive66#Russavia, editing the same article is not part of the restriction, neither is reverting, and as per Wikipedia:EDITSUMMARY#Always_provide_an_edit_summary I have provided an accurate edit summary, and the summary itself is not commenting on anyone's character - the edit summary offered by Tammsalu does not adequately describe their edit. I have taken note of Wikipedia_talk:Arbitration/Requests/Case/Russavia-Biophys/Proposed_decision#Potential_problem_with_restrictions and act accordingly. Also, might I add that Martintg, aka Tammsalu, is also bound by Wikipedia:EEML#Editors_restricted -- his bringing this to WP:AE is the manufacturing of a dispute by him, and this report is NOT a part of any reasonable dispute resolution process, and given history of harrassment of myself by those editors who are restricted from interacting with or commenting on myself, this is a furtherment of a battleground mentality that they swore to give up as they went back to the Arbitration Committee to have their return to this area of editing allowed by way of having their topic bans lifted. I believe it is quite telling that Martin has raced to AE to ask for a ban on myself, when there is no valid reason for any belief of his report being part of any reasonable dispute resolution process. I would suggest that Tammsalu withdraw this frivolous battleground complaint (Wikipedia:EEML#Disruption_4) which is lacking in any good faith, and get back to editing, or I will ask that WP:BOOMERANG apply. --What's the difference between a straight and bisexual man? Two pints of lager 00:07, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
For AGK[edit]AGK, as the blocking admin, can I ask why you simply acted on the report by Tammsalu as it was written, without taking into account the following:
AGK, given the information that you now have, can you please explain why:
Your response to this is appreciated AGK. --Russavia Let's dialogue 07:07, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
Other issues[edit]To bring up consentual interactions between myself and Miacek is very petty indeed. So that any admin is aware, as a result of two cases, there is an interaction ban on Miacek from interacting with me, and an interaction ban on me interacting with Miacek. A history of interactions between the two of us, since interactions have been all but been banned include the following: this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and it can go on. I even commented at his request to have his topic ban lifted, because as Miacek mentions in that very request, relations between the two of us are normal. We have also been in occasional email contact, the last time just the other day, when I emailed him for fixing an issue with another article after he saw my note on my talk page. It is clear that this is consentual interaction, and no-one in their right mind would sanction two editors who have inconveniently been banned from interacting from doing so, when interaction is and always has been cordial, respectful, constructive, and clearly welcomed by both parties. Tammsalu is, of course, aware that interactions between myself and Miacek are consentual, and they have been discussed in the past and found to exactly what should be happening in EE topics. So I find it extremely disappointing that Tammsalu is intent on turning an example of exactly what the EE area needs into part of his unwarranted and unneeded self-manufactured battleground. Instead of seemingly being intent on battling, Tammsalu should be looking at why Miacek and myself are able to have a collaborative editing relationship, and how he could have done the same thing. My initial suggestion to him of dropping his initial report based on WP:AGF would have been a big step, but his clear intent to escalate non-disputes into a major war and subsequent pointy actions show that this is not part of his agenda, so yes, I totally agree, such behaviour needs to be stopped. --Russavia Let's dialogue 13:46, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
On lazy editing[edit]It is difficult to regard this as lazy editing. After the edit summary on the article that brought us here, and Tammsalu's comment that was laziness, it is suspicious that this is mere lazy editing as it is not a copy edit but rather it is essentially a substantial revert of edits which I made in August 2010. Compare Tammsalu's copy edit with the article as it stood before I edited it in August 2010.[65]. Tammsalu has reverted every change which I made to the article, which included removal of information which failed verification (synthesis)[66], placement of opinion from the lead to relevant section[67]. And especially telling is this edit, where I moved it from the lead to a relevant section, and at the same time expanded it by providing context. If one looks at the copy edit one can see that last edit has been undone in its entireity by moving opinion back to the lead, and all context and additional information being removed. Of course, Tammsalu knows that I am unable to do anything about it because to do so would constitute an interaction with him. The timing of my contributions being wholesale removed from that article (i.e. after my unblock and my edits on Russophobia which added information) also is suspicious. And then to claim that his edit summary is lazy editing, after using that excuse only a short time ago. I think it is pretty clear what is happening there. And it needs to stop; editors who are intent on WP:POINT disruptive POV editing and battleground creation and advancement should be removed from the area. It is about time that an admin look at this and draw their own conclusions and act appropriately. --Russavia Let's dialogue 14:40, 17 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Russavia[edit]In my view, the edit summary reverting sneaking in of controversial changes to the article under the guise of a see-also link is a personal attack. The editor needs to be reminded about the requirement to observe Wikipedia's civility policy. Clarified and expanded in response to a comment by user Igny below. - BorisG (talk) 00:56, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Re AGK The diffs to the edits involving Sander Säde show that Russavia has violated his interaction restriction. But they don't show that. Reverting an editor or even edit-warring with him does not constitute interaction in a strict sense, otherwise, the interaction ban is too open to an abuse, when one of the parties (A) make controversial edits to an article where the opposing party (B) is an active contributor thereby banning him (B) from editing the article to avoid interaction with A. (Igny (talk) 23:44, 12 June 2011 (UTC)) Comment by Nanobear[edit]
That Tammsalu has chosen to report Russavia's edit summary as "offensive" just shows how frivolous this request is. Since when is accurately describing an edit a policy violation? Should we reward Tammsalu for the misleading edit summary? This appears to be pure block shopping by Tammsalu. We should apply WP:BOOMERANG to stop this kind of battleground behaviour. ArbCom has previously found that Tammsalu was engaged in battleground behaviour and banned him. It seems that Tammsalu has learned nothing during his ban. Nanobear (talk) 12:46, 11 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Russavia[edit]
With this post, I am following up on the complaints about User:Martintg (aka User:Tammsalu), who filed this request. I am presuming that the only enforceable remedy here is WP:EEML#Editors restricted, which would prohibit Martin from interacting with Russavia. There are multiple elements of the argument by Russavia, so I will in turn answer the substantial ones, but ignore informal remarks or references to violations of arbitration principles (because we can only enforce remedies).
Filing this report was therefore a violation by Martin of the interaction ban. On that basis, I am enforcing the remedy by blocking Martin for 48 hours for violating WP:EEML#Editors restricted and per WP:EEML#Enforcement by block. I am also reminding Martin that it is imperative that he avoid all non-content-related interaction with Russavia. AGK [•] 20:56, 17 June 2011 (UTC) |
AgadaUrbanit
[edit]AgadaUrbanit topic-banned for 6 months. AGK [•] 21:00, 19 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning AgadaUrbanit[edit]
Topic ban
About two months ago AgadaUrbanit reverted an edit at Gaza War dealing with the inclusion of two names, one in each Hebrew and Arabic, in the lead of the article. At this time I opened a content RFC over this topic. This RFC was recently closed by an uninvolved admin with the conclusion that the two names are to be included in the lead (see close here). Following this close I reinserted the contested material here. Agada then proceeds to remove the material and claim on the talk page there is still no consensus. This type of I did not hear that game playing following a clear close of an RFC is disruptive, similar to past cases with Israeli settlements and international law. The user is well aware of the RFC, having participated in it and commenting directly below it claiming there is no consensus. The RFC asked "Should the name used by each of the combatants be included in the lead of the article?" The close said "the result is include". And yet AU claims there is no consensus to include the material in the lead, disregarding the clear close of a discussion that lasted two months. This is simply bad faith editing and should be dealt with accordingly.
If yall feel that I need to respond to Agada's comments about me, please let me know. Id rather not waste the time if it doesnt matter though. nableezy - 14:02, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning AgadaUrbanit[edit]Statement by AgadaUrbanit[edit]![]() Tim, apologize for creating needless drama. Please see my thoughts here. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 20:18, 15 June 2011 (UTC)
In any case of outcome, I'd like to apologize again for unneeded drama, which was caused by my misunderstanding. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 11:12, 17 June 2011 (UTC) @BioSketch Thank you ;)
I find those two points as WP:BATTLEFIELD behavior. See for instance my week long block for not following WP:SPI and Nableezy is just asking User_talk:AgadaUrbanit/Archives/2010/August#what_are_you_doing.3F? Is this a famous sock slayer, failing to see clear sock pattern? It is enough to glance at User:Nableezy user page to see that we're talking about WP:ACTIVIST, he just can not help it, according to his own words. While in his constant topic bans, which for some reason are not as prolonged as topic bans of others, Nableezy does not contribute to areas outiside I-P. He is here to dispute:
I think that we're making much fuss about nothing. This is not about WP:WIN, I need a break from I-P topic area, especially from interaction with certain editors, who probably will continue to be stars of AE. I'd like to thank admins who reviewed this case and their patience. Agree with User:EdJohnston, three strikes law is a way to go, this principle should be applied more. I'm unilaterally banning myself from the I-P topic area. Half a year sounds reasonable to me. Let me quote Macrakis: Wikipedia has tremendous potential, but it is discouraging to see how much effort we have to spend to deal with mindless vandalism, puerile boosterism and nationalism, and crank POV-pushing. I don't really mind if admins would want to make the ban official and log it. This discussion is a waste of community time and resources, so closing it would be the best way to move forward. AgadaUrbanit (talk) 11:03, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning AgadaUrbanit[edit]What, Tim? I thought discussion was a good thing. Considering that we have had multiple discussions (some that even led to the name not being included) then this does look good. The editor believes there is a way to address the neutrality problem and is actively discussing a perennial request without being a jerk. What is the problem with ongoing discussion?Cptnono (talk) 01:55, 17 June 2011 (UTC)
@AGK: Who is Mike? - BorisG (talk) 11:22, 17 June 2011 (UTC) I really like Agada. But sometimes I don't understand Agada. Sometimes he seems so oblivious and unconcerned about his own well-being. I almost want to say that his edits were so blatant that he must have felt it was acceptable. --JGGardiner (talk) 06:36, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
@Timotheus Canens (talk · contribs), @AGK (talk · contribs), @EdJohnston (talk · contribs), I'm not going to defend AgadaUrbanit (talk · contribs)'s conduct at Gaza War; once the RfC was an established reality, he should have discussed rather than made a bold edit that went against the spirit of the RfC's conclusion. However, in determining the length of the topic ban, there are a couple of points in User:AgadaUrbanit's favor that I think ought to be considered. The first of these goes back to Nableezy (talk · contribs)'s recent topic ban. If one looks through Agada's edit history after Nableezy was topic-banned, they'll see that Agada basically removed himself from the I/P topic area, editing exclusively outside it. No one asked him to self-ban or anything like that, and I don't know his reasons for doing it. But it struck me then, and it still strikes me now, as a noble thing to have done. Perhaps he felt it best that, during Nableezy's absence from the topic area, it would only be fair that he take a break himself, seeing as he was the one who filed the AE against Nableezy that led to Nableezy being topic-banned. I doubt it's a coincidence that Agada only returned to Gaza War after Nableezy was paroled, which suggests to me that he deliberately waited for his chief rival, as it were, to return and be able to challenge him. He could have edited the article a few weeks ago and gotten away with it; instead, he waited for Nableezy to return to the topic area and only then made his bold edit. Another fact I would like to see the Admins address is Agada's penitence, which to me sounds genuine. It's one thing when an editor tries to defend his actions when he's clearly in the wrong: in cases like that, enforcement is understandable as a necessary preventative measure. But when the editor is willing to acknowledge his mistake and pledge not to repeat it, it could be more constructive to give him the benefit of the doubt. Agada, according to what people are saying here, has something of a problematic record in the topic area, so some kind of topic ban would make sense. But in light of the circumstances just described, I believe a six-month ban is being overly harsh.—Biosketch (talk) 03:34, 18 June 2011 (UTC)
This illustrates very poor judgment; it's not the action of a person who's interested in diminishing needless drama. Yes, I'm aware from AU's talk of the origin of this particular anti-barnstar, but coming from a very pro-Israel editor and posted to the talk page of a very pro-Palestine editor, it's just offensive and inappropriate. Caucasian people realize that they're not free to call a person of African ancestry "nigger" on the basis that people who share that ancestry ironically refer to each other so; likewise, there's nothing remotely funny or ironic about AU's post in this instance, either. I do think a topic ban is called for; it's my impression that the user is missing the internal filters necessary to edit productively in so contentious an area as this. – OhioStandard (talk) 06:56, 19 June 2011 (UTC)
@Ohiostandard [72]. I believe that dividing editors to "pro-Palestine" and "pro-Israel" is completely inappropriate, just as as dividing them to "white" and "niggers" and telling that they are not equal. The problems in the Palestine-Israel area are so intractable precisely because of such division and attitude.Biophys (talk) 15:16, 19 June 2011 (UTC) Result concerning AgadaUrbanit[edit]
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Nableezy
[edit]No action taken on the complaint. Closing this before I have to ban a bunch of people from AE. T. Canens (talk) 18:46, 24 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Nableezy[edit]
What the hell? A discussion I had with Nableezy (talk · contribs) on Sean.hoyland (talk · contribs)'s Talk page finally petered out after dragging on for two weeks. Hardly do three days go by and I have to read him accusing me of having developed a "batshit insane obsession" with his edits. I made minor and uncontroversial modifications to two of User:Nableezy's edits, and that's the kind of feedback I get subjected to. AGK (talk · contribs) was unequivocal in demanding that Nableezy cultivate a professional demeanor when he vacated Nableezy's account restriction prematurely less than two weeks ago. I asked him to keep in mind those terms a few days ago when I felt he was close to crossing the line. Not only is Nableezy making no effort to be civil but he's showing every indication of continuing to be an aggressive, vulgar and overall negative influence on the Project.—Biosketch (talk) 15:59, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
@Tarc (talk · contribs), this is the second time you've accused me of sockpuppetry without offering a shred of evidence other than the color of my username and the fact that many of my edits are in the I/P topic area. Do you not yet realize how hypocritical your accusation is? or do you realize your accusation is hypocritical but pray no one else'll pick up on the hypocrisy? Then let me spell it out for the benefit of those who may have missed it: Nableezy (talk · contribs) is redlinked and the preponderance of his edits in the I/P topic area far exceeds mine, yet User:Tarc's accusation of sockpuppetry is directed exclusively at me. No matter – I expected nothing less from you than baseless inconsistent biased and prejudiced accusations.—Biosketch (talk) 09:26, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Discussion concerning Nableezy[edit]Statement by Nableezy[edit]"batshit insane obsession" were the words used by another editor, not me. I quoted them. Biosketch has indeed followed me to some articles. I dont really have a problem with his edits, though I do with the idea that it is fair game to go through another editor's contributions on a regular basis. Also, this happened where exactly? A user talk page? Is there any indication that I have made any uncivil or otherwise disruptive edits on article talk pages? No, of course not. But I emphatically deny that attributed a "batshit insane obsession" to Biosketch. I, playfully, quoted another user applying that term to somebody else and made a word (Nableezitis) and applied that to an unnamed editor. But it is demonstrably true that Biosketch has gone through my contributions to follow me to multiple articles. A word to him that he cease doing so would be most appreciated. But to show just how what this "battlefield mentality" that you all keep talking about, this user is taking a comment made on a user talk page and asking for an article topic ban. He could have asked that I strike the quote, he could have ignored the comments made on a user talk page. But he instead chooses to come here. There is no problem with any edit I have made to articles or article talk pages. This is purely an attempt to use an unrelated, and I might dare say something that is not covered under ARBPIA, incident to remove an editor that Biosketch disagrees with from the topic area. To underline the main point here, Biosketch is asking that I be removed from editing articles and talk pages on the basis that I made a comment he disliked on a user talk page. And the part of the comment that he takes issue with, which leads him to make the unsubstantiated assertion that I am "aggressive, vulgar, and overall negative influence on the Project", werent even my words. nableezy - 16:58, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Tarc, I think you are mistaken. nableezy - 23:36, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
Boris, due respect, but this page is not the problem. The problem is the editors who feel the need to involve themselves in every single enforcement request that involves certain users. The problem is the repeated unfounded accusations. Those problems can, and should, be solved. nableezy - 18:42, 24 June 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Nableezy[edit]I find it hard to attach much credibility to any complaint filed by a redlink-name account, one that has only existed since February of this year, and had edited almost exclusively in the Israeli/Palestine/Arab/Middle East topic area. The Enforcement page here is routinely used to game the system, where socks return again and again to try to get their wiki-adversaries in trouble, and evasive non-answers such as this are troubling. Tarc (talk) 16:35, 22 June 2011 (UTC)
Biosketch's actions here are an utter joke and he should be sanctioned for his battlefield mentality editing and AE filing. Nableezy says a borderline offensive statement, Biosketch asks for a topic ban of the entire I/P area. The now topic banned AgadaUrbanit adds a nasty barnstar to Sean.hoyland's talk page [73], Biosketch responds by taking matter, not directly to AE as he has done here, but to AgadaUrbanit's talkpage [74] with the reasonsing that he probably has just sat in the sun too long or somebody hacked is computer. Is it not clear to the admins on this case that Biosketch is just trying to get Nableezy banned by any means possible, does that not constitute battlefield mentality? Again -- utter joke. -asad (talk) 17:13, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
= Comment by BorisG[edit]Dearadmins. Clearly, this page has become part of the problem rather than part of the solution. It propagates drama. Something needs to be done. - BorisG (talk) 17:37, 24 June 2011 (UTC) Result concerning Nableezy[edit]
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Anythingyouwant
[edit]Attention: This request may be declined without further action if insufficient or unclear information is provided in the "Request" section below.
Request concerning Anythingyouwant
[edit]- User who is submitting this request for enforcement
- MastCell Talk 21:04, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- User against whom enforcement is requested
- Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log)
- Sanction or remedy to be enforced
- Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge#Ferrylodge restricted
- Diffs of edits that violate this sanction or remedy, and an explanation how these edits violate it
Anythingyouwant (talk · contribs) is Ferrylodge (talk · contribs). In Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Ferrylodge, ArbCom found that: "Ferrylodge has a long history of disruptive editing on topics related to pregnancy and abortion, but has edited reasonably on unrelated topics." As a result, Ferrylodge/Anythingyouwant is under an indefinite restriction against disrupting "any article which relates to pregnancy or abortion, interpreted broadly."
Abortion is currently subject to community-imposed 1RR. Anythingyouwant has reverted twice in the past 3 days:
Both times he's cited WP:BRD, but to this point he has not actually discussed either revert on the talk page (his last substantive contribution to Talk:Abortion was 1 month ago).
I think that repeatedly reverting a contentious article, citing WP:BRD but not actually discussing, is disruptive even though the reverts are slightly outside the official 24-hour window for 1RR. Given the pre-existing findings from the ArbCom case about Anythingyouwant's disruptive editing on abortion-related topics, I've brought this here.
- Diffs of notifications or of prior warnings against the conduct objected to (if required)
- Anythingyouwant is aware of this sanction; previous requests for enforcement have been filed, and he petitioned (unsuccessfully) to have it lifted. No formal warning is required by the ArbCom sanction.
- Enforcement action requested (block, topic ban or other sanction)
- Topic ban from abortion (plus or minus related articles), as the ArbCom-prescribed remedy.
- Notification of the user against whom enforcement is requested
Discussion concerning Anythingyouwant
[edit]Statement by Anythingyouwant
[edit]I made two reverts to the article over the course of three days. My edit summaries were as follows:
(1) "Revert per WP:BRD. Pastel Kitten is correct that this longstanding image was edit-warred out of this article without consensus. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."[78]
(2) "Revert per WP:BRD. No one has asserted there is consensus to remove this longstanding image. Many reasons were given by many editors for keeping it."[79]
MastCell apparently does not assert that I have misapplied WP:BRD, and I was not misapplying it. As MastCell knows, there was extensive discussion at the article talk page about this content issue last month.[80] MastCell was deeply involved in that discussion, and he favored removing an image that was in the article for well over a year. There was no consensus to remove the image at that time, but the image was nevertheless edit-warred out of the article, contrary to WP:BRD. Another editor (not myself) reinserted the image this week.
My edit-summaries (quoted above) were thorough and self-explanatory. No editors who seek removal of the longstanding image have commented about their recent removal at the article talk page. Despite the lack of discussion at the article talk page, I did edit the talk page today to more fully explain why I reverted them (inserting template).[81]
Please note that there was a huge RFC on this topic in 2009 here. This RFC is linked in the FAQ at the top of the article talk page. All I was doing here is implementing WP:BRD, I did not come anywhere close to violating 1RR, and I reverted two edits that were unexplained at the article talk page.Anythingyouwant (talk) 21:51, 23 June 2011 (UTC)
- The image has again been edit-warred out of the article today without consensus or talk page discussion, which apparently is fine with MastCell and other admins. After the present attempt to delete the image from Commons is concluded, I will probably bring this matter up again at the article talk page, and restore the image to the article (pending consensus for its removal).Anythingyouwant (talk) 23:16, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Anythingyouwant
[edit]What a weird sanction! I thought ALL wikipedians are under indefinite restrictions from disrupting ANY articles... - BorisG (talk) 00:51, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Seems that 2 reverts over three days does not violate 1RR in any case ... this is a content dispute, and not a case where AYW should be punished for actually staying within the restrictions given. Nor can I view the edits as "disruptive". Please - keep content disputes out of AE. Cheers. Collect (talk) 16:37, 25 June 2011 (UTC)
- Most disruptive editing centers around a content dispute. The two categories aren't mutually exclusive. MastCell Talk 01:36, 26 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Anythingyouwant
[edit]- This section is to be edited only by uninvolved administrators. Comments by others will be moved to the section above.
Hmm. It is true that this edit restores a contentious image; however, as far as I could tell in reading Talk:Abortion/Archive_41#Picture_of_abortion, there's no consensus on its removal, either. Anythingyouwant did fail to start the conversation again at the talk page, though. I am unwilling to enforce action against Anythingyouwant as disruptive (because I don't consider it to be disruptive), and he in theory didn't violate 1RR/day. If it were up to me, I'd rather force additional discussion on the image yet again. - Penwhale | dance in the air and follow his steps 07:27, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
Frivolous request. T. Canens (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC) |
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Page: Rachel's Tomb (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
Asad first reverted this on 29/12/10: [82] On the next occasion, Asad removed any mention of it being somehow “annexed”, on 13/01/11 @ 19:54: [83] His second revert with a 24hr period occurred on 14/01/11 @ 1:09: [84] where again, any mention of annexation is removed. A second instance of Asad breaking the 1RR occurs regards the phrase "Historically located on the northern outskirts Bethlehem," which Asad changed to "located in the Palestinian town of Bethlehem" on 13/01/11 @ 19:54: [85]. At 14/01/11 @ 1:03 he again removed the word “Historically”: [86]. A third instance on 29/12/10 @16:50, Asad reverts to “The tomb is located at the north end of the West Bank city of Bethlehem, part of the Occupied Palestinian Territories": [87] On 13/01/11 @ 19:54 he reverts by writing “located in the Palestinian town of Bethlehem” and changes “occupied territories” at the paragraphs end to “occupied Palestinian territories”: [88] On 14/01/11 @ 1:11 he re-adds “Palestinian Territories”: [89]. These 3 examples are in violation of the 1RR set by Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/Palestine-Israel articles#Further remedies. Asad has been notified about the 1RR twice in the last 2 weeks of December 2010: here and here. Chesdovi (talk) 16:48, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Admin's please note that this matter was addressed six months ago here and here. Also please note, it seems like this report was saved somewhere in case I filed a report against Chesdovi. I believe that to be true because there is no way in hell I could believe that all that was conjured up nine minutes after I filed my report against Chesdovi (even considering how messy as the report is). I ask that this report be dismissed because of its frivolous nature, as if there were a matter of real concern by Chesdovi he would have filed the report a long time ago. -asad (talk) 17:36, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Asaad cannot be expected to get let off scott free, not be initiating bogus reports again and again. He has done this before and was found to have made another "mistake" driving everyone mad. You keep on repeating "6 months." 6 months of Asad evading justice. Now his time has come and he will surely be punished duly. I ask for a strong block as Asad does not edit much. 6 months may do the trick. Chesdovi (talk) 21:01, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning asad112[edit]This request is entirely frivolous. No action taken with respect to asad112. T. Canens (talk) 09:25, 29 June 2011 (UTC) |
Chesdovi
[edit]Chesdovi topic-banned by another administrator. Clarification requests should be addressed to that administrator. NW (Talk) 00:10, 1 July 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Chesdovi[edit]
Chesdovi seems to have a problem with adding and changing information in articles that he knows will never survive consensus in an effort to make a political point. It ranges from outlandish edits, sarcastic edit summaries and tit-for-tat editing. Some of these diffs are a bit dated, but the show a tendancy in his edit practices.
Chesdovi has served numerous bans for his behavior in the I/P area, his most recent being a 72 hour topic ban, in which he violated flagrantly as shown by these diffs:
Chesdovi is a very knowledgeable contributer, especially in the realm of Jewish history. But the diffs provided in this request show that he quite often falls off the wagon and disregards WP policy.
Discussion concerning Chesdovi[edit]Statement by Chesdovi[edit]
@Nableezy is not being clear. There was never any objection to me adding the Israel infobox separatly. The only objection so far is having the Israeli seal in the Palestinian infobox, not having it as a separate entity. If Nab wants to interpret my edits the way she has, so be it. AFAIAC the isreli infobox addition is compromise until a conclusion is reached. Yet Nab deletes the Isralei infobox on the basis of only her objection. Chesdovi (talk) 21:07, 28 June 2011 (UTC) @Asad. 1. Topic bans do not affect talk pages. 2. Was it you or Zero who added material from the 1931 census and delibertaly left out Jews? Chesdovi (talk) 21:29, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Comments by others about the request concerning Chesdovi[edit]Along with the above edit at Hebron in which Chesdovi replaces the seal of the city with the seal of a committee of settlers in the city, Chesdovi is continuing with this tendentious editing as seen here, in which the user re-adds the seal, but adds a complete infobox for the settlers committee. The inclusion of such was objected to by two users; when Chesdovi made the initial edit and was reverted he attempted to justify his actions at a user talk page (see here). I also opened a section on the article talk page about this. Despite having no consensus for such an edit he continues to attempt to push into the article this material, completely disregarding the objections of others and making no attempt to follow the procedures at WP:DR. This goes beyond "POV-pushing" into disruption. If the user was willing to not continue with such blatantly tendentious and disruptive editing then I for one would be fine with no topic ban. But the user has shown no willingness to slow down and attempt to gain consensus for his edits. nableezy - 20:56, 28 June 2011 (UTC)
Chesdovi is already systematically breaking this topic ban: see [95], [96], [97], [98], [99], [100], [101]. That looks like seven breaches within less than three hours of imposition of the topic ban. RolandR (talk) 12:04, 29 June 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning Chesdovi[edit]
A sanction is accordingly appropriate. Chesdovi has been previously blocked and topic banned several times for disruptive editing related to the Arab-Israeli conflict. Consistent with my view, shared by at least one other admin that is involved in ARBPIA enforcement, that liberal use of topic bans is necessary to control the deterioration of editor conduct in this topic area, I'm going for a sanction that is lengthier than the normally presumptive length for AE topic bans. For the reasons stated above, and under the authority of WP:ARBPIA#Discretionary sanctions, Chesdovi (talk · contribs) is hereby banned from all articles, discussions, and other content related to the Arab-Israeli conflict, broadly construed across all namespaces, for one year. This ban may be appealed following the procedures set out in Wikipedia:ARBPIA#Appeal of discretionary sanctions; however, I will not consider any appeal until at least three months have elapsed. T. Canens (talk) 09:21, 29 June 2011 (UTC) |