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:{{u|Bob drobbs}}, what sort of advice are you looking for, exactly? <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
:{{u|Bob drobbs}}, what sort of advice are you looking for, exactly? <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 16:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:: Without any exaggeration, I am sincerely puzzled as to how Huldra's editing behavior and Nableezy's editing behavior is seen as basically without any fault (apparently?) but my edits have been so horrific that two admins are suggesting an indefinite ban. I'm not going to claim perfection in the very heated realm of IP discussions. I could have done better and in particular been more patient, but I don't feel I've done anything so egregious to justify a possible indefinite ban. Especially as I've never been subject to any disciplinary action before. I'm hoping you can help me understand. -- [[User:Bob drobbs|Bob drobbs]] ([[User talk:Bob drobbs|talk]]) 18:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
:: Without any exaggeration, I am sincerely puzzled as to how Huldra's editing behavior and Nableezy's editing behavior is seen as basically without any fault (apparently?) but my edits have been so horrific that two admins are suggesting an indefinite ban. I'm not going to claim perfection in the very heated realm of IP discussions. I could have done better and in particular been more patient, but I don't feel I've done anything so egregious to justify a possible indefinite ban. Especially as I've never been subject to any disciplinary action before. I'm hoping you can help me understand. -- [[User:Bob drobbs|Bob drobbs]] ([[User talk:Bob drobbs|talk]]) 18:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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:::{{u|Bob drobbs}}, I think the issue has little to do with your edits to articles and is based on behavior around them, namely that you filed an AE request asking for sanctions on behavior that isn't sanctionable (which cannot be equated to a legitimate AE case filed by Nableezy that included verifiable evidence of sockpuppetry and which resulted in a block). Telling someone that if you don't stop edit warring they're going to take you to AE is not considered harassment; a frivolous AE case, however, is a significant waste of time for everyone involved, and I think the calls for a topic ban are primarily based on that and the continued attempts to insist that Nableezy has a COI with David Collier (which, despite the persistence of this demand by you and others, has yet to win any support from uninvolved editors; I would go as far as to say that I don't think Nableezy would be considered to have a COI with Collier unless they started a defamation lawsuit against Collier or otherwise took significant, off-Wikipedia action against him). I'd also add that reading through the other admin responses, I think the call for "indefinite" has less to do with them thinking that you have committed capital wiki-sins and more that they do not believe in timed bans for BATTLEGROUND behavior (I don't know that I fully agree, but I see where they're coming from based on a strict reading that bans must be preventative, not punitive; timed battleground blocks have a more punitive bent). <sub>signed, </sub>[[User:Rosguill|'''''Rosguill''''']] <sup>[[User talk:Rosguill|''talk'']]</sup> 19:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC) |
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Please Help[ Me
@Rosguill: this user not have afc reviwers rights without moving articles on draft to article namespace.please seeDraft:K Sport.without any reason and repeatly moving.Please do anything.best eregards.Maniik 🇮🇳Any Help🇮🇳? Contact Me. 17:01, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- Lazy Maniik, unless you have reason to suspect that the other editor is engaging in COI editing, you should just proceed to AfD rather than trying to force the article back to draft space. Be sure to do a WP:BEFORE search first. signed, Rosguill talk 17:04, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosguill: , ok and thanks for aware for these topic.Best Regards.Maniik 🇮🇳Any Help🇮🇳? Contact Me. 17:10, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Help
Hi. You declined my request. Where is the problem? And When I should make another request? I want to be a new page reviewer. I've changed my username. You can see that I've nominated AfD and CSD some pages. I was blocked. Is this the problem? How many days after I should make another request? Isn't my account 90 days old or I haven't made 500 undeleted edits to articles or any other thing. Hope you reply. Thanks. || Orbit Wharf 💬 06:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Orbit Wharf New page patrol and AfC are not permissions that we hand out to every editor meeting the minimum requirements; those requirements are the minimum necessary for consideration for the permission. As you have recently been blocked due to problems with your editing, you are going to need to spend a significant amount of time demonstrating that you have learned from your past mistakes, months if not years of work. You need to understand that many of Wikipedia's decision-making processes work slowly; it is simply not possible to acquire the relevant skills in a few days or weeks, even if you make lots of edits, because the processes themselves often take longer than this. Quite frankly, your decision to change your user name suggests to me that you're trying to evade scrutiny of your past edits, which makes me further disinclined to confer advanced permissions to you. I also have some concerns about your English reading comprehension and writing skills, which need to be near-flawless for new page curation related permissions. There is no shortage of work that you can do on Wikipedia without advanced permissions, go focus on that. signed, Rosguill talk 19:01, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Please believe me! I didn't changed my username for trying to evade scrutiny of my past edits! Yeah. I was blocked for copyrighting. But 1 or 2 weeks I was unblocked because I didn't do any copyright violation in the time. The block would expire on 22 March 2022. I'm Bangladeshi. I'm not very expert at English. But I'm trying to be expert at English. || Orbit Wharf 💬 06:14, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Hi Rosguill. Hope you're fine. Can I request for rollback? from, Orbit Wharf 💬 • 📝 17:38, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Because according to EnterpriseyBot, I moderate to high level of vandalism. You can see the Stuff section of my userpage. And also I nominate some pages for CSD criteria no. G3. from, Orbit Wharf 💬 • 📝 17:44, 23 October 2021 (UTC)
- Orbit Wharf, please stop requesting advanced permissions. You are a beginner editor and need to learn how to edit and communicate better before you have any business requesting permissions. At this point, your repeated eagerness to request permissions has become a drain on other editors' time, and evidence in itself that you don't fully understand what you're doing. This is my last time telling you nicely. signed, Rosguill talk 05:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Okay. Now I will never request again :) I think I will always be a beginner all the time on Wikipedia. Thanks you so much. from, Orbit Wharf 💬 • 📝 05:17, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
- Orbit Wharf, please stop requesting advanced permissions. You are a beginner editor and need to learn how to edit and communicate better before you have any business requesting permissions. At this point, your repeated eagerness to request permissions has become a drain on other editors' time, and evidence in itself that you don't fully understand what you're doing. This is my last time telling you nicely. signed, Rosguill talk 05:04, 24 October 2021 (UTC)
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In this edit you should have user2 not use2. 98.230.196.188 (talk) 22:57, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
- Ah, thanks for catching that. One of the keyboards I typically use has a sticky 'r'. signed, Rosguill talk 22:59, 15 October 2021 (UTC)
Article splitting
Sorry to bug you again, but we could use your perspective at Wikipedia_talk:Article_size#Clarification_needed_for_"article_splitting_activists" (and there's a link buried in there to the discussion you closed at ANI). EEng 02:02, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Mentoring
Hi Rosguill! I'm working on a new article to publish and am in search of an adopter. Has your schedule freed up, and are you willing to take one on at the moment? Thank you :) WhichWench (talk) 06:28, 17 October 2021 (UTC) WhichWench
- Sorry WhichWench, still kinda neck deep in things. signed, Rosguill talk 14:52, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rosguill No sweat, best of luck! signed, WhichWench talk 18:03, 19 October 2021 (UTC)
Request for Adoption
Hi Rosguill. I have joined wikipedia last November and found it of great interest. I have edited many existing articles and also drafted articles from my side. I thought it would be helpful for me to ask for adoption to be guided in Wikipedia path to make valuable contribution in future with authors with great experience. I found you have decent experience from adopt a user page to take guidance and learn. Looking forward to learn from you. Thanks. Gardenkur (talk) 15:33, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Gardenkur, sorry, as you can see from my reply in the section above, I'm not able to take on any new students right now thanks to off-wiki responsibilities. signed, Rosguill talk 17:42, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
Hounding concerns
Hi Rosguill. I'm concerned with two editors in particular who are targeting me which may be contrary to our policies. There is one editor who didn't like an edit I made on an article they've edited, and they are now going to other articles I've edited to reverse longstanding edits I've made, and post on other talk pages criticism of me. They're also requesting other editors who I've had content disagreements with to join them in discussions. Another editor whose only interactions with me have been negative has joined a discussion that they otherwise wouldn't have been involved in, to level criticism at me. These things feel like they shouldn't be allowed, can you offer any advice? I'm very willing to have constructive discussions about article splitting and edits I've made, but this is feeling very personal and intimidating. Thanks. Onetwothreeip (talk) 21:35, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Onetwothreeip, unfortunately the only real course of action beyond asking them to stop is to take it up at ANI. In principle I could try to investigate and intervene prior to that, but I really don't have the bandwidth to take that on in any timeframe that would be helpful. signed, Rosguill talk 21:41, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your responses. I'm wondering if what I have described would constitute conduct that is not allowed. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Onetwothreeip, The way you've described it here, it sounds like hounding. signed, Rosguill talk 02:35, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Thanks for your responses. I'm wondering if what I have described would constitute conduct that is not allowed. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:29, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
A problem regarding user:GermanKity
I had written an article on Wikipedia and the newly blocked user GermanKity; who you've indefinitely blocked, moved my article to a draft page and asked for improvements. I have made significant improvements on the page and wanted to contact GermanKity so I could get further help on making the article move closer to the main space. But since they don't exist, can you help me with the matter? or can you suggest other help I could be getting? Thanks a million. Rooz1370 — Preceding undated comment added 08:23, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rooz1370, are you talking about Draft:Nima Bank? Looking at its history, while it was originally moved to draft by GermanKitty, it has since then been reviewed by two separate AfC reviewers who saw fit to first decline and then reject the submission, so GermanKitty being blocked is irrelevant at this point. I would reach out to the AfC reviewers that reviewed the page since then. signed, Rosguill talk 14:52, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Thankyou
As you mentioned at your user page yes I came because you reviewed my redirect link and thankyou for not deleting it.२ तकर पेप्सी (talk) 19:30, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
Hello
I got a message "The page PvZ Heroes has been reviewed" what does this mean? --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 19:50, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- The Tips of Apmh, it means that I took a look at your recently created redirect, PvZ Heroes, and confirmed that it is pointing at a correct target. Had there been any issue with the redirect, I would have either changed the target, nominated it for deletion, or started a discussion with you to consider alternatives. As it is, you're good to go, no action needed on your part. signed, Rosguill talk 20:13, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
- Rosguill Okay, I understand now, thanks. --The Tips of Apmh (talk) 20:37, 22 October 2021 (UTC)
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Please help
Rosguill! What can I do now? 😭 regards, Orbit Wharf 💬 | 📝 17:43, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I want to be a ordinary contributor to Wikipedia. I'm promising I'll do not again insult anyone. But this word has no value! regards, Orbit Wharf 💬 | 📝 17:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I want to be a ordinary contributor to Wikipedia. I'm promising I'll do not again insult anyone. But this word has no value! regards, Orbit Wharf 💬 | 📝 17:50, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Orbit Wharf, my honest suggestion is to take a break and go do something you enjoy that isn't Wikipedia. In the future when you come back, go slow: focus on simple tasks that don't use automated tools. The best cure for wikistress is time away from Wikipedia. I know you want to help, but right now your attempts to help are just creating more work for other editors, which is worse than not helping at all. signed, Rosguill talk 17:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosguill, but I can't live without Wikipedia. Even I'm now crying. I don't want to insult someone or disturb other editors. regards, Orbit Wharf 💬 | 📝 18:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- (talk page watcher) Orbit Wharf, you could check out Wikipedia:Typo Team/moss, which helps repair typos and misspellings in articles. Schazjmd (talk) 18:10, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Rosguill, but I can't live without Wikipedia. Even I'm now crying. I don't want to insult someone or disturb other editors. regards, Orbit Wharf 💬 | 📝 18:06, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- Orbit Wharf, my honest suggestion is to take a break and go do something you enjoy that isn't Wikipedia. In the future when you come back, go slow: focus on simple tasks that don't use automated tools. The best cure for wikistress is time away from Wikipedia. I know you want to help, but right now your attempts to help are just creating more work for other editors, which is worse than not helping at all. signed, Rosguill talk 17:52, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
AN Thread
There is an AN thread concerning you (distinct from the one above, I believe) Nosebagbear (talk) 19:24, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
- I already had advance notice about this one, but thanks anyway! signed, Rosguill talk 19:36, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
Deletion review for Wikipedia:KI
An editor has asked for a deletion review of Wikipedia:KI. Because you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedily deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review.--Did Q28 make a mess today? 08:48, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Wikipedia:How to get away with UPE made me chuckle. Thanks for that, and for all the other work you do around here. --Blablubbs (talk) 10:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC) |
- Blablubbs, thanks for the compliments and for expanding the essay. I'm going to let it marinate for a bit and then probably submit it to the Signpost. signed, Rosguill talk 15:54, 31 October 2021 (UTC)
- @Blablubbs, sure made me laugh as well, especially the part where Rosguill implies having an account with Administrator privileges is a good idea, a beautiful humorous essay that is. On a serious note, of recent, cheats are no longer working anymore for editors engaging in less than ethical practices, thanks to individuals like yourself, Rosguill, DGG, MER-C, and so many other anti spam editors. My favorite quote, which i coined is ”The beauty of UPE is that UPE never fails to be UPE” that is; no matter how cleverly written or how well worded, neutral & WP:Balalanced the perpetrator feels the UPE article is, the ADMASQ always pops up. Celestina007 (talk) 16:34, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks!
Respected @sire, I am glad that you review my changes and page moves on Wikipedia articles! Please do suggest any help or criticism that makes me more refined in my works.
Thank You, And have a nice day!
Utkarsh555 (talk) 10:50, 3 November 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for providing me temporary reviewing rights, last month. This month, I am a bit occupied so can't review new pages, hence not requesting for the rights. I will reach out to you later. Hope this is fine.
Thanks for giving me rights
Thanks for providing me temporary reviewing rights, last month. This month, I am a bit occupied so can't review new pages, hence not requesting for the rights. I will reach out to you later. Hope this is fine.Aloolkaparatha (talk) 08:24, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
- Aloolkaparatha, that's fine, you can also re-request again at the WP:Requests for permissions/New page reviewer when you're ready. signed, Rosguill talk 18:17, 9 November 2021 (UTC)
SAR High School
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A. Rosenberg (talk) 16:43, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Asher Rosenberg, I see the email, but the sources you've provided appear to be screenshots of posts on a social media site, which are not considered a reliable source on Wikipedia. Please review our reliable sourcing guidelines, particularly the section on user-generated content and our guideline on due weight within articles. The TL;DR is that we need professional publications with reputations for reliability to report on this before we can include it in the article. For a Modern Orthodox high school, if such coverage exists it would probably look like articles in JTA or The Forward, or local news media. It is not enough to establish that something happened (and a social media doesn't even really do that), we need to establish that this incident is considered important by reliable sources and thus worthy of inclusion. signed, Rosguill talk 16:49, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
They are screenshots of the emails mentioned. A. Rosenberg (talk) 16:52, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
- Asher Rosenberg, ok, that's even less usable. Like I said, we need verifiable coverage by established reliable sources, not some screenshots. signed, Rosguill talk 17:15, 10 November 2021 (UTC)
A barnstar for you!
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Thank you for your tireless work reviewing redirects and new pages! I always feel more confident in redirects I create when I see they have the Rosguill seal of approval. Trainsandotherthings (talk) 17:17, 12 November 2021 (UTC) |
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Thank you for giving me a chance to serve. You had every reason to deny my request but against all odds you decided to give me a chance and we can all see how positively that panned out. Thank you once again I’m eternally grateful. Celestina007 (talk) 20:12, 12 November 2021 (UTC) |
Fre/Eng Article Translation
Hi! I'm translating an article from French to English and was wondering if you could maybe provide a bit of advice? The draft is on Axel Auriant (French Actor). How close is this article, in your view, to being ready for review? It needs a few more citations, and I was thinking would it be appropriate enough to check the sources on the French original article, and if they suit, just paste them into the draft? If there is anything obvious that should be changed before it would reasonably be published, please do say. Sorry if this is the wrong platform to ask - I saw you are a French speaker, and involved in the review process, so thought you might be quite well equipped so speak on this issue. Many thanks and sorry for the bother, --EcheveriaJ (talk) 22:22, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
- EcheveriaJ At a glance, it looks like it meets WP:GNG and should be ready for mainspace (although I'm not familiar with some of the sources, so that's just a guess); you may want to find inline citations for the last few claims on the page before doing so though. signed, Rosguill talk 18:05, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Possible Mentorship
Dear Rosguill, I was wondering if you would be willing to take me on as a mentee. I have been editing for a little while now, yet I have struggled to find a consistent space to work in (or really what I would consider solid editing). While I have helped out where I can, and I know that even the smallest contributions add up, I was wondering if could help you out (or with whatever is needed) and expand my skills as an editor along the way.
I will be honest, this does come while I am a little lost.
While I thought I was in line, an Admin reached out to me yesterday and informed me that I was not in line with some of my edits because of Redlink (reverted some of my edits). Being still relatively new, this of course stung - though luckily I reflected on their feedback rather than totally freaking out. In this cycle, I found myself reflecting on Wikipedia in general, and I started browsing through random forum/policy discussions. As you may have guessed, this became progressively more confusing and disillusioning as I went. So that is why I am here. I don't want to be disillusioned! I love the time I have spent so far at Wikipedia and I want to do more. So when I reflected on all this, I wanted to find somebody who could not only serve as a guide through the chaos but also serve as a check so that I don’t mess something up again. Thank you for your consideration, and I appreciate your time.
Sincerely, Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 02:17, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Willthehelpfuleditor, unfortunately I'm rather swamped outside Wikipedia right now and can't commit to mentoring you. If you haven't come by it yet, you can find other potential mentors at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. signed, Rosguill talk 18:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Rosguill, absolutley, I hope everything is ok! Sorry to bother you, and thank you for your help Willthehelpfuleditor (talk 18:18, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Willthehelpfuleditor, unfortunately I'm rather swamped outside Wikipedia right now and can't commit to mentoring you. If you haven't come by it yet, you can find other potential mentors at Wikipedia:Adopt-a-user. signed, Rosguill talk 18:11, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
Hello
You tagged this article for neutrality a while ago, but didn’t say why. What was the issue? Moonraker12 (talk) 03:29, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Moonraker12, I don't recall directly, but even glancing at it briefly now the text is still egregiously florid eg.
The Kolkata Derby has been an eternal rivalry between the two oldest clubs in Indian football
,The football-crazy Bengali was nowhere to be seen
. This is not an appropriate tone for Wikipedia. signed, Rosguill talk 18:10, 17 November 2021 (UTC)
- Moonraker12, I don't recall directly, but even glancing at it briefly now the text is still egregiously florid eg.
A barnstar for you!
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For taking on the challenge of closing the biggest and arguably most contentious AfD in Wikipedia history. clpo13(talk) 18:47, 1 December 2021 (UTC) |
- Thanks for the detailed close. You guys helped shed light on issues of GNG and synth.VR talk 05:15, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
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Anyone who climbs half a megabyte of AfD deserves to have something waiting for them at the top. jp×g 03:43, 3 December 2021 (UTC) |
Resuming NPP School!
Hello Rosguill,
I hope you are doing well, I am resuming NPP school, and aiming to finish it off by this month. I believe I have got some good experience at AfC to speed up the school. I feel pretty confident about it. I answered the questions today, over here -> [[1]] Looking forward to your feedback. ^_^ QuantumRealm (meow • pawtrack) 17:29, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
- QuantumRealm, nice to hear from you again, I'll take a look. signed, Rosguill talk 20:53, 7 December 2021 (UTC)
AE discussion
I found your comments to be measured and reasonable.
Would you be open and willing to giving me some advice?
-- Bob drobbs (talk) 05:00, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Bob drobbs, what sort of advice are you looking for, exactly? signed, Rosguill talk 16:26, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Without any exaggeration, I am sincerely puzzled as to how Huldra's editing behavior and Nableezy's editing behavior is seen as basically without any fault (apparently?) but my edits have been so horrific that two admins are suggesting an indefinite ban. I'm not going to claim perfection in the very heated realm of IP discussions. I could have done better and in particular been more patient, but I don't feel I've done anything so egregious to justify a possible indefinite ban. Especially as I've never been subject to any disciplinary action before. I'm hoping you can help me understand. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 18:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Bob drobbs, I think the issue has little to do with your edits to articles and is based on behavior around them, namely that you filed an AE request asking for sanctions on behavior that isn't sanctionable (which cannot be equated to a legitimate AE case filed by Nableezy that included verifiable evidence of sockpuppetry and which resulted in a block). Telling someone that if you don't stop edit warring they're going to take you to AE is not considered harassment; a frivolous AE case, however, is a significant waste of time for everyone involved, and I think the calls for a topic ban are primarily based on that and the continued attempts to insist that Nableezy has a COI with David Collier (which, despite the persistence of this demand by you and others, has yet to win any support from uninvolved editors; I would go as far as to say that I don't think Nableezy would be considered to have a COI with Collier unless they started a defamation lawsuit against Collier or otherwise took significant, off-Wikipedia action against him). I'd also add that reading through the other admin responses, I think the call for "indefinite" has less to do with them thinking that you have committed capital wiki-sins and more that they do not believe in timed bans for BATTLEGROUND behavior (I don't know that I fully agree, but I see where they're coming from based on a strict reading that bans must be preventative, not punitive; timed battleground blocks have a more punitive bent). signed, Rosguill talk 19:09, 12 December 2021 (UTC)
- Without any exaggeration, I am sincerely puzzled as to how Huldra's editing behavior and Nableezy's editing behavior is seen as basically without any fault (apparently?) but my edits have been so horrific that two admins are suggesting an indefinite ban. I'm not going to claim perfection in the very heated realm of IP discussions. I could have done better and in particular been more patient, but I don't feel I've done anything so egregious to justify a possible indefinite ban. Especially as I've never been subject to any disciplinary action before. I'm hoping you can help me understand. -- Bob drobbs (talk) 18:05, 12 December 2021 (UTC)