Brandtson (talk|edit|history|logs|links|watch) (XfD|restore)

A rather dubiously closed AfD, decided in favor of deletion after one keep vote and one delete vote. The closing admin stated that there should be no prejudice toward recreation if sources were found to substantiate the claims of meeting WP:MUSIC. Well, such sources do not lack, and here is one: Allmusic has a biography of the band and substantiates their having released four full-lengths on Deep Elm Records and two on The Militia Group, easily meeting WP:MUSIC. [1] Requesting Restoration of the article, to which I will be happy to add this source. Chubbles (talk) 04:03, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I really don't see either of those as meeting the "...one of the more important indie labels" criteria; the latter is apparent defunct, even. As far as allmusic.com goes, the consensus from several discussions at WP:RSN is that it is usable for factual citations of tracks, album info, etc...but not a reliable source in terms of establishing notability. Tarc (talk) 12:51, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

...All of which is news; AMG (a print publication with a raft of books which are available widely) is occasionally errant in its biographies, but this one isn't particularly contentious, and in any event, my main case is simple factual information about labels, which honestly is verifiable elsewhere as well. And what does a label's current status have to do with its importance? I mean, Touch and Go is defunct, but a band with a handful of releases on the label would surely pass muster. TMG's a pretty well-known label, but Deep Elm (which is still going quite strong) is iconic in its milieu, and Brandtson was one of its flagship acts (alongside The Appleseed Cast, Planes Mistaken for Stars, and most notably, The Emo Diaries series). Chubbles (talk) 13:06, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]

• Endorse. What was the closing admin supposed to do? The article had already been relisted once. Certain articles deserve to be relisted and relisted, but not all of them; we do have to make space for new AfD's. This one was not going anywhere. Both the nom and the one Delete commentor had cogent arguments; the Keep commentor had less convincing arguments, and I am not satisfied that either The Militia Group or Deep Elm Records are truly among the most important indie labels. Some of their artists are notable but that doesn't make all of their artists notable, and they do not seem to have other notability such as putting out truly cutting-edge popular music generating lots of buzz. Endorse deletion on grounds of relative strengths of arguments. Herostratus (talk) 15:50, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
• Please Withdraw my request. I come here to make my life simpler, because it's easier to improve the substrate article than remake it from scratch. But more and more I find that it takes more time to argue it out here. So I'll just re-create it; guess I'll see you folks at AfD. Chubbles (talk) 15:59, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that you can request a copy be userified for improvement. No need to recreate it all from scratch. Jclemens (talk) 16:26, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    • No point; I've already done it. And if I thought I was going to get this much resistance, I would have. Chubbles (talk) 16:27, 9 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]