May 11
[edit]Category:ASVÖ FC Puch players
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:ASVÖ FC Puch players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: No evidence that the club is notable. Plays in the fourth tier of Austrian football. Played in the second tier for a short period of time in the 1990s. There is no article. Geregen2 (talk) 20:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, only two articles in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 19:00, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:SC Obertann players
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:35, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:SC Obertann players (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: The club does not exist. This category was created based on the misspelling of "SC Ortmann" on the page of Norbert Kerényi. Even if it was spelled correctly, there is no evidence that SC Ortmann is notable either, the club plays in the fourth tier of Austrian football. Geregen2 (talk) 20:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, only one article in the category. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:27, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in WikiProject Football's list of association football-related page discussions. GiantSnowman 18:57, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. GiantSnowman 18:59, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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Disasters in the Ottoman Empire
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- The result of the discussion was: merge/delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:34, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:1802 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1802 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1810 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1810 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1810 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1812 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1812 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1812 disasters in Asia, Category:1812 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1812 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1812 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1812 disasters in Asia, Category:1812 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1813 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1813 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1813 disasters in Asia, Category:1813 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1814 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1814 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1814 disasters in Asia, Category:1814 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1815 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1815 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1815 disasters in Asia, Category:1815 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1816 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1816 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1816 disasters in Asia, Category:1816 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1817 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1817 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1817 disasters in Asia, Category:1817 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1818 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1818 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1818 disasters in Asia, Category:1818 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1819 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1819 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1819 disasters in Asia, Category:1819 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1822 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1822 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1822 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1834 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1834 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1837 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1837 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1840 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1840 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1840 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1855 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1855 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1855 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1856 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1856 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1856 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1859 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1859 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1859 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1872 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1872 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1872 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1881 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1881 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1881 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1883 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1883 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1883 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1894 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1894 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1894 disasters in Asia, Category:1894 disasters in Europe and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1898 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1898 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1898 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1899 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1899 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1899 disasters in Asia and Category:19th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1903 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1903 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1903 disasters in Asia and Category:20th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1912 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1912 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1912 disasters in Europe and Category:20th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1914 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1914 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1914 disasters in Asia and Category:20th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1915 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1915 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1915 disasters in Asia and Category:20th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose merging Category:1922 disasters in the Ottoman Empire to Category:1922 in the Ottoman Empire, Category:1922 disasters in Asia and Category:20th-century disasters in the Ottoman Empire
- Propose deleting Category:1800s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1810s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1820s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1830s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1840s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1850s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1870s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1880s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1890s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1900s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1910s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:1920s disasters in the Ottoman Empire (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Disasters in the Ottoman Empire by decade (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Disasters in the Ottoman Empire by year (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: merge as all have 1-2 articles. Not all merge targets are needed since the articles are in deeper levels of parent cats. Delete decade categories as they will be effectively emptied and still don't have enough to populate. –Aidan721 (talk) 20:11, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 22:29, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge/delete per nom. It is not particularly likely that more disasters will come to light from the Ottoman era. Oculi (talk) 23:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge/Delete too small to aid navigation. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:49, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge/Delete per nom. the articles are not that notable. - GodzillamanRor (talk) 02:55, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:WikiProject Good articles newsletters
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:33, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Good articles newsletters (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: This contains a mixture of subpages of Wikipedia:WikiProject Good articles/Newsletter (a category for them is unnecessary since there's already a list at the base page), and user talk pages containing such newsletters (which fails WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function). * Pppery * it has begun... 16:30, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:43, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:WikiProject Punk
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- The result of the discussion was: merge to Category:WikiProject Music genres. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:32, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Punk (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Pointless category layer - the contents are Category:WikiProject Punk music, which should be moved into the appropriate topical WikiProject categories, Category:WikiProject Punk music members, which should be moved into the above category, and a user talk page of someone who hasn't edited since 2020. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:23, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:WikiProject Music genres per rationale of nom. I have made Category:WikiProject Punk music members a subcategory of Category:WikiProject Punk music, that should happen regardless of the outcome of this discussion. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:AOL shared proxies
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:AOL shared proxies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Obsolete for ~15 years. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:20, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, see Wikipedia:AOL (historical page). Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete IP addresses get reallocated over the years, and this was a long time ago. All this will remain in the article history, so if anyone ever really needs to find this historical information, no need to keep the tag in current revisions any more. — The Anome (talk) 23:08, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Whatever usage this used to have is gone. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:51, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Public terminal IP addresses
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Public terminal IP addresses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Evidently this concept has not caught on, because it only has 2 IPs from 2006. Redundant to Category:Shared IP addresses * Pppery * it has begun... 16:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete no longer helpful. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:52, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as obsolete. — The Anome (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Web Accelerator proxies
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:31, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Web Accelerator proxies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Google Web Accelerator proxies (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Obsolete for over a decade. And I see we have two categories that should have been merged even when the system was still operational. Sigh. * Pppery * it has begun... 16:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete obsolete. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as obsolete. — The Anome (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Cleanfeed servers
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:30, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Cleanfeed servers (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Obsolete since circa 2009, underlying template was deleted in 2022. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:56, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete obsolete. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:53, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete as obsolete. — The Anome (talk) 06:48, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:User talk pages with Uw-bizlist notices
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:User talk pages with Uw-bizlist notices (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: No reason for this category to exist when the template it is tracking was deleted 3 years ago. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:52, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete obsolete. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:54, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Wikipedia user talk pages of Queens Library IP addresses
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:29, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikipedia user talk pages of Queens Library IP addresses (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Don't need a special category for only one user. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 16:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per WP:SMALLCAT. - RevelationDirect (talk) 00:56, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Editing group Badges
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:28, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Editing group Badges (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Has the same problems as the below. All relevant non-user pages are already in the parent Category:Wikipedia Badges. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:38, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Teahouse badges
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:27, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Teahouse good answer Badge (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Teahouse good question Badge (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Teahouse maître d' Badge (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose deleting Category:Teahouse profile Badge (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale These are so poorly-populated (never got off the ground) that it's unclear what they are intended to be. If they are intended to be user categories (users have earned the badge in question), then they fail WP:USERCAT for lacking any discernible collaborative function. If they are intended to be project categories (project pages about the badge), then they are WP:SMALLCATS and all relevant pages are already in the parent so there's no need for a merge. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete all.
ObsoleteStillborn idea. I've never seen one used. Maproom (talk) 16:41, 11 May 2023 (UTC) - Delete per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Living dinosaurs
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- The result of the discussion was: delete, rename to Category:Fiction about modern-day dinosaurs, and rename respectively, the 2nd per WP:BARTENDER. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:25, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Living dinosaurs (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Propose renaming Category:Living dinosaurs in fiction to Category:Fiction about human-dinosaur coexistence
- Propose renaming Category:Dinosaur hunting to Category:Fiction about dinosaur hunting
- Nominator's rationale: Living dinosaur is currently a disambiguation page. The topic is too vague. I propose deletion of this category and renaming of Category:Living dinosaurs in fiction to Category:Fiction about human-dinosaur coexistence. Category:Dinosaur hunting can become a subcategory of it, but renamed to clarify it's not about real-life fossil hunting. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 07:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- If Category:Dinosaur hunting is renamed to Category:Fiction about dinosaur hunting, then we should remove Category:Bird hunting from it. Apokrif (talk) 08:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. While birds are technically dinosaurs, almost no modern person would refer to a bird as a dinosaur, as it is almost always used to describe the ancient creatures, so one should really not be a subcategory of the other. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Per MOS:ENDASH, the second entry should be Category:Fiction about human–dinosaur coexistence if the rename is otherwise accepted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Then you may want to also move Human-dinosaur coexistence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
Done –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 19:48, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
- @LaundryPizza03: Then you may want to also move Human-dinosaur coexistence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:50, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Your statement is akin to saying that "humans should not be a subcategory of primates" because they are not usually referred to in society as great apes. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia, and if the nominator realized that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia they'd pull this nomination. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Per MOS:ENDASH, the second entry should be Category:Fiction about human–dinosaur coexistence if the rename is otherwise accepted. –LaundryPizza03 (dc̄) 10:14, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- I agree. While birds are technically dinosaurs, almost no modern person would refer to a bird as a dinosaur, as it is almost always used to describe the ancient creatures, so one should really not be a subcategory of the other. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- If Category:Dinosaur hunting is renamed to Category:Fiction about dinosaur hunting, then we should remove Category:Bird hunting from it. Apokrif (talk) 08:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Oppose renaming, the category "Living dinosaurs" is valid, accurate, and encyclopedic. Keeping it counters the bias - as shown above - against the fact of birds being dinosaurs. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:35, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn: I am simply making it match up with the article, human-dinosaur coexistence, which the category is clearly about - not the idea of birds being living dinosaurs. The article dinosaur does not go to a disambiguation page between ancient dinosaurs and modern birds, showing that the term is far less commonly used to describe birds. You may believe it should be used otherwise, but Wikipedia is not where to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, you would have to convince the public. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Perhaps Human–dinosaur coexistence should be renamed to Human–non-avian-dinosaur coexistence (see this article's lead). Apokrif (talk) 12:15, 16 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Randy Kryn: I am simply making it match up with the article, human-dinosaur coexistence, which the category is clearly about - not the idea of birds being living dinosaurs. The article dinosaur does not go to a disambiguation page between ancient dinosaurs and modern birds, showing that the term is far less commonly used to describe birds. You may believe it should be used otherwise, but Wikipedia is not where to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS, you would have to convince the public. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 10:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Category:Living dinosaurs as the only contents it contains other than the subcategories discussed above is Mokele-mbembe, which I would not call living (it's a cryptid).
Merge Category:Living dinosaurs in fiction to Category:Fiction about dinosaurs, since they seem to cover the same scope (is there a nontrivial amount of fiction about dead dinosaurs, or that doesn't involve humans?). Rename Category:Dinosaur hunting per nom. * Pppery * it has begun... 12:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)- @Pppery: As said above, the category "Living dinosaurs in fiction" is ACTUALLY about humans existing alongside dinosaurs, i.e. dinosaurs "living" in the present day. It would be fine to keep under the more descriptive name, which would also include any instances of humans living alongside dinosaurs, a notable trope in fiction. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it looks to me like the entries directly in Category:Fiction about dinosaurs (the merge target I intended to specify) are about that too, so there's no distinction. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Fiction about dinosaurs can include fiction that takes place in the dinosaur era, or in worlds populated only by dinosaurs. It doesn't necessarily include humans in the story at all, or at least humans and dinosaurs side by side in the same setting. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you point to example of such a work of fiction? * Pppery * it has begun... 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- The Land Before Time franchise "features dinosaurs living in prehistoric times". I would also separate fiction where humans merely time travel to, or otherwise simply encounter dinosaurs, i.e. 65 (film), as not an example of human and dinosaur coexistence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- OK. That makes sense. I guess there's really three different concepts: "Fiction about anthropomorphic dinosaurs", "Fiction about dinosaurs and time travel", and "fiction about human-dinosaur coexistence". It was not easy to see those concepts because of the incomplete diffusion and the fact that the third entry is more common than the other two, but they appear to be distinct enough to warrant separate categories. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- The Land Before Time franchise "features dinosaurs living in prehistoric times". I would also separate fiction where humans merely time travel to, or otherwise simply encounter dinosaurs, i.e. 65 (film), as not an example of human and dinosaur coexistence. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 17:13, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Can you point to example of such a work of fiction? * Pppery * it has begun... 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Pppery: Fiction about dinosaurs can include fiction that takes place in the dinosaur era, or in worlds populated only by dinosaurs. It doesn't necessarily include humans in the story at all, or at least humans and dinosaurs side by side in the same setting. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 16:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Yes, but it looks to me like the entries directly in Category:Fiction about dinosaurs (the merge target I intended to specify) are about that too, so there's no distinction. * Pppery * it has begun... 15:26, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- @Pppery: As said above, the category "Living dinosaurs in fiction" is ACTUALLY about humans existing alongside dinosaurs, i.e. dinosaurs "living" in the present day. It would be fine to keep under the more descriptive name, which would also include any instances of humans living alongside dinosaurs, a notable trope in fiction. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:22, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Category:Living dinosaurs per Pppery, rename Category:Dinosaur hunting to Category:Fiction about dinosaur hunting per nom. If Category:Living dinosaurs in fiction would be renamed to Category:Fiction about human-dinosaur coexistence it would (still) not clearly distinguish itself from Category:Fiction about dinosaurs. So either merge, or rename to e.g. Category:Dinosaurs in fiction set in the modern era. Marcocapelle (talk) 17:24, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think zxcvbnm's examples above prove their is a separate concept here, but we're just not doing a good job describing it. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hence my rename alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have an issue with your "set in the modern era" because it seems to indicate a different category scheme than what it actually is. Perhaps Category:Fiction about modern-day dinosaurs would be more of a logical offshoot. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- That works well too. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I have an issue with your "set in the modern era" because it seems to indicate a different category scheme than what it actually is. Perhaps Category:Fiction about modern-day dinosaurs would be more of a logical offshoot. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 11:28, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Hence my rename alternative. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:12, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- I think zxcvbnm's examples above prove their is a separate concept here, but we're just not doing a good job describing it. * Pppery * it has begun... 22:51, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment, the moves do not fit encyclopedic use of the term dinosaur and the articles mentioned are not about fiction. At present, birds are listed as "Living dinosaurs" and bird hunting is included in dinosaur hunting. The category "Living dinosaurs" appears as a subsection of the category "Dinosaur". Birds perfectly fit the category name, they are the first item listed at the disamb page Living dinosaurs, and there is nothing broken here. The nominator seems to have confused other editors that the pages mentioned are only about fiction. Hopefully the closer will not be a drive-by closer but will actually study this discussion and the pages mentioned and, if so, will find that the category "Living dinosaur" should stay as is and includes other than fiction. Randy Kryn (talk) 11:54, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- The only content that would fit "living dinosaurs" literally is Category:Birds but we do not need two categories for that, Category:Birds in itself is sufficient. Modern-day birds are completely unrelated to fiction about prehistoric dinosaurs however. Marcocapelle (talk) 14:22, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Category:Living dinosaurs, as well as the disamb. page Living dinosaurs, are not fiction and also include birds. The category is then a subsection of Category:Dinosaur, while please notice that Category:Birds is 13 sub-categories removed from Category:Dinosaurs. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- "Living dinosaurs" can refer to any number of things including birds. It's overly vague for a category and there is no real name to move it to where it would no longer be vague. We don't normally have categories named after disambiguation pages, it's just confusing. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:26, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Category:Living dinosaurs, as well as the disamb. page Living dinosaurs, are not fiction and also include birds. The category is then a subsection of Category:Dinosaur, while please notice that Category:Birds is 13 sub-categories removed from Category:Dinosaurs. Randy Kryn (talk) 14:34, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete Category:Living dinosaurs, or rename it to any of the actual articles in the Living dinosaur redirect. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:05, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:User-created maps
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:19, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:User-created maps to Category:User map galleries
- Nominator's rationale: I think the intent was for the first category to contain files and the second to contain user pages, but in fact both contain user pages so they are the same. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:53, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge overlapping. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:08, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:WikiProject Psychedelics, Dissociatives and Deliriants members
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:WikiProject Psychedelics, Dissociatives and Deliriants members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: WikiProject is defunct. This got missed during my initial sweep because the name of the category does not match the name of the project. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, the two users left in this category have both been inactive on en.wp for more than 10 years. Marcocapelle (talk) 04:58, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Referees subproject members
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Referees subproject members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Wikipedia:WikiProject National Football League/Referees subproject is marked as historical. * Pppery * it has begun... 04:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete, the single user left in this category has been inactive on en.wp for 5 years. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Wikimedia India members
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:17, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:Wikimedia India members (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: m:Wikimedia India is dead. * Pppery * it has begun... 03:19, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom, or possibly merge to Category:Wikipedians interested in India. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:02, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:User flash
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- The result of the discussion was: delete. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose deleting Category:User flash (edit | talk | history | links | watch | logs)
- Nominator's rationale: Pointless single-member category, flash is now defunct. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete per nom. Note that the single user in the category has been inactive on en.wp for a year. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:04, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Delete not useful. - RevelationDirect (talk) 01:07, 13 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:User en-NZ
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- The result of the discussion was: merge. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose merging Category:User en-NZ to Category:User en-nz
- Nominator's rationale: Duplicate categories. * Pppery * it has begun... 02:49, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Thai political prisoners
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:16, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Thai political prisoners to Category:Political prisoners in Thailand
- Nominator's rationale: consistency with parent cats. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 00:18, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. But the category should be checked for any Thai people in prison abroad. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Comment: This (and the other political prisoners cats) needs to be considered for upmerging to Category:Thai prisoners and detainees in addition to renaming, as the by-natinoality categorization will be lost otherwise. --Paul_012 (talk) 09:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- No This is a "by country" tree, not a "by nationality / ethnicity" tree. Thai people can be political prisoners in Thailand, Turkey or Saudi Arabia. Not every Thai person who is a political prisoner, is in prison in Thailand. Laurel Lodged (talk) 10:15, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- The category as named by the original creator Thai political prisoners and per the first parent category Thai prisoners and detainees makes it clear that the original intention was for it to be a nationality category. This proposal is suggesting to change it to a country category, which is why it needs to be upmerged if the change is to be carried out. --Paul_012 (talk) 14:55, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - we have the trees Category:Prisoners and detainees by nationality and Category:Prisoners and detainees by country (which uses 'of') with different scopes (which is perfectly reasonable). The answer is to move the prisoners to the correct tree and out of the wrong tree. Oculi (talk) 23:44, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Reply how can we "move the prisoners to the correct tree and out of the wrong tree" when only one political prisoner tree exists? Did you mean to suggest that we should have two trees (i.e. Category:Thai political prisoners and Category:Political prisoners in Thailand)? If so, then the nomination should still proceed as few notable Thai political prisoners will be imprisoned outside Thailand. Plus those Chinese nationals who are political prisoners in Thailand. The nom should cater for the majority position. Category:Thai political prisoners can then be recreated for those Thai poitical prisoners who are not detained in Thailand. See also Category:Thai people imprisoned abroad. See also Meşale Tolu who is a German citizen and was a political prisoner in Turkey. Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:53, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Chinese political prisoners
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:15, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Chinese political prisoners to Category:Political prisoners in China
- Nominator's rationale: consistency with parent cat. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 00:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. But the category should be checked for any Chinese people in prison abroad. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - we have the trees Category:Prisoners and detainees by nationality and Category:Prisoners and detainees by country (which uses 'of') with different scopes (which is perfectly reasonable). The answer is to move the prisoners to the correct tree and out of the wrong tree. Oculi (talk) 23:45, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Another (more obviously correct) parent cat is Category:Chinese prisoners and detainees. The nom will create inconsistency in this tree; why is one tree given preference over the other? Oculi (talk) 00:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- If we stick to categorization by country that parent should be removed. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:16, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- Another (more obviously correct) parent cat is Category:Chinese prisoners and detainees. The nom will create inconsistency in this tree; why is one tree given preference over the other? Oculi (talk) 00:01, 18 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support on basis suggested by Marcocapelle, but it might be Category:Political prisoners of China. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Belarusian political prisoners
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:14, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Belarusian political prisoners to Category:Political prisoners in Belarus
- Nominator's rationale: Consistency with others in parent category. Lokys dar Vienas (talk) 00:16, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. But the category should be checked for any Belarusian people in prison abroad. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:07, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support per nom. Down with the tyranny of demonyms! Laurel Lodged (talk) 07:39, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Keep - we have the trees Category:Prisoners and detainees by nationality and Category:Prisoners and detainees by country (which uses 'of') with different scopes (which is perfectly reasonable). The answer is to move the prisoners to the correct tree and out of the wrong tree. Oculi (talk) 23:46, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Support on basis suggested by Marcocapelle, but it might be Category:Political prisoners of Belarus. Peterkingiron (talk) 18:35, 14 May 2023 (UTC)
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More emigrants
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- The result of the discussion was: Merge all Timrollpickering (talk) 11:15, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
- Upmerge Category:American emigrants to Algeria (0) to Category:American emigrants (per Category:American people) and Category:Immigrants to Algeria
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Austria (0) to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Austria
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Belgium (0) to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Belgium
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Croatia (0) to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Croatia
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Denmark (0) to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Denmark
- Upmerge Category:Armenian emigrants to Belarus (0) to Category:Armenian emigrants (per Category:Armenian people) and Category:Immigrants to Belarus
- Upmerge Category:Australian emigrants to the Netherlands (0) to Category:Australian emigrants (per Category:Australian people) and Category:Immigrants to the Netherlands
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Albania (0) to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Albania
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Egypt (0) to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Egypt
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Hungary (0) to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Hungary
Full list of around 170 categories
- Upmerge Category:American emigrants to Algeria to Category:American emigrants (per Category:American people) and Category:Immigrants to Algeria
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Austria to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Austria
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Belgium to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Belgium
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Croatia to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Croatia
- Upmerge Category:Argentine emigrants to Denmark to Category:Argentine emigrants (per Category:Argentine people) and Category:Immigrants to Denmark
- Upmerge Category:Armenian emigrants to Belarus to Category:Armenian emigrants (per Category:Armenian people) and Category:Immigrants to Belarus
- Upmerge Category:Australian emigrants to the Netherlands to Category:Australian emigrants (per Category:Australian people) and Category:Immigrants to the Netherlands
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Albania to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Albania
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Egypt to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Egypt
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Hungary to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Hungary
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Iceland to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Iceland
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Kenya to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Kenya
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Panama to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Panama
- Upmerge Category:Austrian emigrants to Romania to Category:Austrian emigrants (per Category:Austrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Romania
- Upmerge Category:Brazilian emigrants to Paraguay to Category:Brazilian emigrants (per Category:Brazilian people) and Category:Immigrants to Paraguay
- Upmerge Category:British emigrants to British Barbados to Category:British emigrants (per Category:British people) and Category:Colony of Barbados people
- Upmerge Category:British emigrants to British Guyana to Category:British emigrants (per Category:British people) and Category:Immigrants to British Guiana
- Upmerge Category:British emigrants to Burma to Category:British emigrants (per Category:British people) and Category:Immigrants to Burma
- Upmerge Category:British emigrants to Iraq to Category:British emigrants (per Category:British people) and Category:Immigrants to Iraq
- Upmerge Category:British emigrants to Tanzania to Category:British emigrants (per Category:British people) and Category:Immigrants to Tanzania
- Upmerge Category:British emigrants to Tonga to Category:British emigrants (per Category:British people) and Category:Immigrants to Tonga
- Upmerge Category:Canadian emigrants to the Philippines to Category:Canadian emigrants (per Category:Canadian people) and Category:Immigrants to the Philippines
- Upmerge Category:Canadian emigrants to Uganda to Category:Canadian emigrants (per Category:Canadian people) and Category:Immigrants to Uganda
- Upmerge Category:Cape Verdean emigrants to Guinea-Bissau to Category:Cape Verdean emigrants (per Category:Cape Verdean people) and Category:Immigrants to Guinea-Bissau
- Upmerge Category:Chinese emigrants to Nepal to Category:Chinese emigrants (per Category:Chinese people) and Category:Immigrants to Nepal
- Upmerge Category:Chinese emigrants to Sarawak to Category:Chinese emigrants (per Category:Chinese people) and Category:Immigrants to Sarawak
- Upmerge Category:Chinese emigrants to Trinidad and Tobago to Category:Chinese emigrants (per Category:Chinese people) and Category:Immigrants to Trinidad and Tobago
- Upmerge Category:Congo Free State emigrants to the United Kingdom to Category:Congo Free State emigrants (per Category:Congo Free State people) and Category:Immigrants to the United Kingdom
- Upmerge Category:Costa Rican emigrants to Nicaragua to Category:Costa Rican emigrants (per Category:Costa Rican people) and Category:Immigrants to Nicaragua
- Upmerge Category:Cuban emigrants to Azerbaijan to Category:Cuban emigrants (per Category:Cuban people) and Category:Immigrants to Azerbaijan
- Upmerge Category:Danish emigrants to Austria to Category:Danish emigrants (per Category:Danish people) and Category:Immigrants to Austria
- Upmerge Category:Danish emigrants to Finland to Category:Danish emigrants (per Category:Danish people) and Category:Immigrants to Finland
- Upmerge Category:Danish emigrants to the Faroe Islands to Category:Danish emigrants (per Category:Danish people) and Category:Immigrants to the Faroe Islands
- Upmerge Category:Dutch emigrants to Argentina to Category:Dutch emigrants (per Category:Dutch people) and Category:Immigrants to Argentina
- Upmerge Category:Egyptian emigrants to Brazil to Category:Egyptian emigrants (per Category:Egyptian people) and Category:Immigrants to Brazil
- Upmerge Category:Egyptian emigrants to Ethiopia to Category:Egyptian emigrants (per Category:Egyptian people) and Category:Immigrants to Ethiopia
- Upmerge Category:Egyptian emigrants to South Africa to Category:Egyptian emigrants (per Category:Egyptian people) and Category:Immigrants to South Africa
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Australia to Dominica to Category:Australian emigrants (per Category:Australian people) and Category:Immigrants to Dominica
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Australia to Venezuela to Category:Australian emigrants (per Category:Australian people) and Category:Immigrants to Venezuela
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Brazil to the German Empire to Category:Brazilian emigrants (per Category:Brazilian people) and Category:Immigrants to the German Empire
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from British Barbados to British Guiana to Category:Emigrants from British Barbados (per Category:People from British Barbados) and Category:Immigrants to British Guiana
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from British Barbados to British Trinidad and Tobago to Category:Emigrants from British Barbados (per Category:People from British Barbados) and Category:British Trinidad and Tobago people
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from British Burma to British Malaya to Category:People from British Burma and Category:Immigrants to British Malaya
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from British Dominica to the United Kingdom to Category:British Dominica people and Category:Immigrants to the United Kingdom
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Canada to Italy to Category:Canadian emigrants (per Category:Canadian people) and Category:Immigrants to Italy
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Congress Poland to Switzerland to Category:Emigrants from Congress Poland (per Category:People from Congress Poland) and Category:Immigrants to Switzerland
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Congress Poland to the Netherlands to Category:Emigrants from Congress Poland (per Category:People from Congress Poland) and Category:Immigrants to the Netherlands
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Djibouti to Italy to Category:Djiboutian emigrants (per Category:Djiboutian people) and Category:Immigrants to Italy
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Estonia to Poland to Category:Estonian emigrants (per Category:Estonian people) and Category:Immigrants to Poland
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from France to Acadia to Category:French emigrants (per Category:French people) and Category:Immigrants to Acadia
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from French Senegal to France to Category:French Senegal people and Category:Immigrants to France
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from German South West Africa to Angola to Category:Emigrants from German South West Africa (per Category:People from German South West Africa) and Category:Immigrants to Angola
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Germany to Lithuania to Category:German emigrants (per Category:German people) and Category:Immigrants to Lithuania
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Greece to Spain to Category:Greek emigrants (per Category:Greek people) and Category:Immigrants to Spain
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Guatemala to Belize to Category:Guatemalan emigrants (per Category:Guatemalan people) and Category:Immigrants to Belize
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Iran to pre-colonial India to Category:Iranian emigrants (per Category:Iranian people) and Category:Immigrants to pre-colonial India
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Italy to Greece to Category:Italian emigrants (per Category:Italian people) and Category:Immigrants to Greece
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Italy to Paraguay to Category:Italian emigrants (per Category:Italian people) and Category:Immigrants to Paraguay
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Italy to the German Empire to Category:Italian emigrants (per Category:Italian people) and Category:Immigrants to the German Empire
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Latvia to Denmark to Category:Latvian emigrants (per Category:Latvian people) and Category:Immigrants to Denmark
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Madagascar to South Africa to Category:Malagasy emigrants (per Category:Malagasy people) and Category:Immigrants to South Africa
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Newfoundland Colony to the British West Indies to Category:Newfoundland Colony people and Category:Immigrants to the British West Indies
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Newfoundland Colony to the United States to Category:Newfoundland Colony people and Category:Immigrants to the United States
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Portugal to Portuguese Brazil to Category:Portuguese emigrants (per Category:Portuguese people) and Category:People of Colonial Brazil
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Portuguese Cape Verde to Portugal to Category:People from Portuguese Cape Verde and Category:Immigrants to Portugal
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Romania to the German Empire to Category:Romanian emigrants (per Category:Romanian people) and Category:Immigrants to the German Empire
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Spain to the American Philippines to Category:Spanish emigrants to the Philippines
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from the Austrian Empire to Germany to Category:Emigrants from the Austrian Empire (per Category:People from the Austrian Empire) and Category:Immigrants to Germany
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from the British West Indies to Canada to Category:Emigrants from the British West Indies (per Category:People from the British West Indies) and Category:Immigrants to Canada
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from the Old Swiss Confederacy to France to Category:Emigrants from the Old Swiss Confederacy (per Category:People from the Old Swiss Confederacy) and Category:Immigrants to France
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from the Spanish East Indies to Spain to Category:People from the Spanish East Indies and Category:Immigrants to Spain
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Trinidad and Tobago to British Guiana to Category:Trinidad and Tobago emigrants (per Category:Trinidad and Tobago people) and Category:Immigrants to British Guiana
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Ukraine to Taiwan to Category:Ukrainian emigrants (per Category:Ukrainian people) and Category:Immigrants to Taiwan
- Upmerge Category:Emigrants from Venezuela to Peru to Category:Venezuelan emigrants (per Category:Venezuelan people) and Category:Immigrants to Peru
- Upmerge Category:Estonian emigrants to Denmark to Category:Estonian emigrants (per Category:Estonian people) and Category:Immigrants to Denmark
- Upmerge Category:Ethiopian emigrants to New Zealand to Category:Ethiopian emigrants (per Category:Ethiopian people) and Category:Immigrants to New Zealand
- Upmerge Category:Ethiopian emigrants to Yemen to Category:Ethiopian emigrants (per Category:Ethiopian people) and Category:Immigrants to Yemen
- Upmerge Category:Filipino emigrants to Indonesia to Category:Filipino emigrants (per Category:Filipino people) and Category:Immigrants to Indonesia
- Upmerge Category:Finnish emigrants to Austria to Category:Finnish emigrants (per Category:Finnish people) and Category:Immigrants to Austria
- Upmerge Category:Finnish emigrants to Hong Kong to Category:Finnish emigrants (per Category:Finnish people) and Category:Immigrants to Hong Kong
- Upmerge Category:Finnish emigrants to Japan to Category:Finnish emigrants (per Category:Finnish people) and Category:Immigrants to Japan
- Upmerge Category:French emigrants to French Algeria to Category:French emigrants (per Category:French people) and Category:Immigrants to Algeria
- Upmerge Category:German emigrants to Albania to Category:German emigrants (per Category:German people) and Category:Immigrants to Albania
- Upmerge Category:German emigrants to Egypt to Category:German emigrants (per Category:German people) and Category:Immigrants to Egypt
- Upmerge Category:Ghanaian emigrants to Tanzania to Category:Ghanaian emigrants (per Category:Ghanaian people) and Category:Immigrants to Tanzania
- Upmerge Category:Greek emigrants to Albania to Category:Greek emigrants (per Category:Greek people) and Category:Immigrants to Albania
- Upmerge Category:Greek emigrants to Bulgaria to Category:Greek emigrants (per Category:Greek people) and Category:Immigrants to Bulgaria
- Upmerge Category:Greek emigrants to Chile to Category:Greek emigrants (per Category:Greek people) and Category:Immigrants to Chile
- Upmerge Category:Guatemalan emigrants to France to Category:Guatemalan emigrants (per Category:Guatemalan people) and Category:Immigrants to France
- Upmerge Category:Guyanese emigrants to Australia to Category:Guyanese emigrants (per Category:Guyanese people) and Category:Immigrants to Australia
- Upmerge Category:Guyanese emigrants to Hong Kong to Category:Guyanese emigrants (per Category:Guyanese people) and Category:Immigrants to Hong Kong
- Upmerge Category:Honduran emigrants to Belize to Category:Honduran emigrants (per Category:Honduran people) and Category:Immigrants to Belize
- Upmerge Category:Hungarian emigrants to Bulgaria to Category:Hungarian emigrants (per Category:Hungarian people) and Category:Immigrants to Bulgaria
- Upmerge Category:Hungarian emigrants to India to Category:Hungarian emigrants (per Category:Hungarian people) and Category:Immigrants to India
- Upmerge Category:Hungarian emigrants to Venezuela to Category:Hungarian emigrants (per Category:Hungarian people) and Category:Immigrants to Venezuela
- Upmerge Category:Indian emigrants to Mozambique to Category:Indian emigrants (per Category:Indian people) and Category:Immigrants to Mozambique
- Upmerge Category:Iranian emigrants to China to Category:Iranian emigrants (per Category:Iranian people) and Category:Immigrants to China
- Upmerge Category:Iraqi emigrants to Switzerland to Category:Iraqi emigrants (per Category:Iraqi people) and Category:Immigrants to Switzerland
- Upmerge Category:Irish emigrants to South Africa (before 1923) to Category:Irish emigrants (per Category:Irish people) and Category:Immigrants to South Africa
- Upmerge Category:Israeli emigrants to Italy to Category:Israeli emigrants (per Category:Israeli people) and Category:Immigrants to Italy
- Upmerge Category:Italian emigrants to Guyana to Category:Italian emigrants (per Category:Italian people) and Category:Immigrants to Guyana
- Upmerge Category:Italian emigrants to Pakistan to Category:Italian emigrants (per Category:Italian people) and Category:Immigrants to Pakistan
- Upmerge Category:Ivorian emigrants to Qatar to Category:Ivorian emigrants (per Category:Ivorian people) and Category:Immigrants to Qatar
- Upmerge Category:Japanese emigrants to South Africa to Category:Japanese emigrants (per Category:Japanese people) and Category:Immigrants to South Africa
- Upmerge Category:Japanese emigrants to Turkey to Category:Japanese emigrants (per Category:Japanese people) and Category:Immigrants to Turkey
- Upmerge Category:Kazakhstani emigrants to the Czech Republic to Category:Kazakhstani emigrants (per Category:Kazakhstani people) and Category:Immigrants to the Czech Republic
- Upmerge Category:Kenyan emigrants to Sweden to Category:Kenyan emigrants (per Category:Kenyan people) and Category:Immigrants to Sweden
- Upmerge Category:Laotian emigrants to Vietnam to Category:Laotian emigrants (per Category:Laotian people) and Category:Immigrants to Vietnam
- Upmerge Category:Latvian emigrants to Austria to Category:Latvian emigrants (per Category:Latvian people) and Category:Immigrants to Austria
- Upmerge Category:Latvian emigrants to Venezuela to Category:Latvian emigrants (per Category:Latvian people) and Category:Immigrants to Venezuela
- Upmerge Category:Libyan emigrants to Syria to Category:Libyan emigrants (per Category:Libyan people) and Category:Immigrants to Syria
- Upmerge Category:Liechtenstein emigrants to Germany to Category:Liechtenstein emigrants (per Category:Liechtenstein people) and Category:Immigrants to Germany
- Upmerge Category:Montenegrin emigrants to Sweden to Category:Montenegrin emigrants (per Category:Montenegrin people) and Category:Immigrants to Sweden
- Upmerge Category:New Zealand emigrants to the Colony of Natal to Category:New Zealand emigrants (per Category:New Zealand people) and Category:Immigrants to the Colony of Natal
- Upmerge Category:Nigerian emigrants to Chad to Category:Nigerian emigrants (per Category:Nigerian people) and Category:Immigrants to Chad
- Upmerge Category:Nigerian emigrants to Rwanda to Category:Nigerian emigrants (per Category:Nigerian people) and Category:Immigrants to Rwanda
- Upmerge Category:Nigerien emigrants to Burkina Faso to Category:Nigerien emigrants (per Category:Nigerien people) and Category:Immigrants to Burkina Faso
- Upmerge Category:North Macedonia emigrants to Canada to Category:North Macedonia emigrants (per Category:North Macedonia people) and Category:Immigrants to Canada
- Upmerge Category:North Macedonia emigrants to the United States to Category:North Macedonia emigrants (per Category:North Macedonia people) and Category:Immigrants to the United States
- Upmerge Category:Orange Free State emigrants to the United Kingdom to Category:Orange Free State emigrants (per Category:Orange Free State people) and Category:Immigrants to the United Kingdom
- Upmerge Category:Pakistani emigrants to Israel to Category:Pakistani emigrants (per Category:Pakistani people) and Category:Immigrants to Israel
- Upmerge Category:Panamanian emigrants to Argentina to Category:Panamanian emigrants (per Category:Panamanian people) and Category:Immigrants to Argentina
- Upmerge Category:Panamanian emigrants to Colombia to Category:Panamanian emigrants (per Category:Panamanian people) and Category:Immigrants to Colombia
- Upmerge Category:Panamanian emigrants to Jamaica to Category:Panamanian emigrants (per Category:Panamanian people) and Category:Immigrants to Jamaica
- Upmerge Category:Papua New Guinean emigrants to Germany to Category:Papua New Guinean emigrants (per Category:Papua New Guinean people) and Category:Immigrants to Germany
- Upmerge Category:Peruvian emigrants to Brazil to Category:Peruvian emigrants (per Category:Peruvian people) and Category:Immigrants to Brazil
- Upmerge Category:Peruvian emigrants to China to Category:Peruvian emigrants (per Category:Peruvian people) and Category:Immigrants to China
- Upmerge Category:Peruvian emigrants to Ecuador to Category:Peruvian emigrants (per Category:Peruvian people) and Category:Immigrants to Ecuador
- Upmerge Category:Polish emigrants to Kenya to Category:Polish emigrants (per Category:Polish people) and Category:Immigrants to Kenya
- Upmerge Category:Polish emigrants to Lebanon to Category:Polish emigrants (per Category:Polish people) and Category:Immigrants to Lebanon
- Upmerge Category:Romanian emigrants to Bulgaria to Category:Romanian emigrants (per Category:Romanian people) and Category:Immigrants to Bulgaria
- Upmerge Category:Romanian emigrants to Egypt to Category:Romanian emigrants (per Category:Romanian people) and Category:Immigrants to Egypt
- Upmerge Category:Saudi Arabian emigrants to Egypt to Category:Saudi Arabian emigrants (per Category:Saudi Arabian people) and Category:Immigrants to Egypt
- Upmerge Category:Sierra Leonean emigrants to New Zealand to Category:Sierra Leonean emigrants (per Category:Sierra Leonean people) and Category:Immigrants to New Zealand
- Upmerge Category:Singaporean emigrants to Nepal to Category:Singaporean emigrants (per Category:Singaporean people) and Category:Immigrants to Nepal
- Upmerge Category:South African emigrants to Poland to Category:South African emigrants (per Category:South African people) and Category:Immigrants to Poland
- Upmerge Category:South African emigrants to Uganda to Category:South African emigrants (per Category:South African people) and Category:Immigrants to Uganda
- Upmerge Category:South African emigrants to Zambia to Category:South African emigrants (per Category:South African people) and Category:Immigrants to Zambia
- Upmerge Category:Spanish emigrants to Bolivia to Category:Spanish emigrants (per Category:Spanish people) and Category:Immigrants to Bolivia
- Upmerge Category:Spanish emigrants to Guatemala to Category:Spanish emigrants (per Category:Spanish people) and Category:Immigrants to Guatemala
- Upmerge Category:Spanish emigrants to Ireland to Category:Spanish emigrants (per Category:Spanish people) and Category:Immigrants to Ireland
- Upmerge Category:Spanish emigrants to Romania to Category:Spanish emigrants (per Category:Spanish people) and Category:Immigrants to Romania
- Upmerge Category:Spanish emigrants to South Africa to Category:Spanish emigrants (per Category:Spanish people) and Category:Immigrants to South Africa
- Upmerge Category:Sudanese emigrants to Uganda to Category:Sudanese emigrants (per Category:Sudanese people) and Category:Immigrants to Uganda
- Upmerge Category:Swedish emigrants to Austria to Category:Swedish emigrants (per Category:Swedish people) and Category:Immigrants to Austria
- Upmerge Category:Swedish emigrants to Japan to Category:Swedish emigrants (per Category:Swedish people) and Category:Immigrants to Japan
- Upmerge Category:Swiss emigrants to Paraguay to Category:Swiss emigrants (per Category:Swiss people) and Category:Immigrants to Paraguay
- Upmerge Category:Swiss emigrants to Poland to Category:Swiss emigrants (per Category:Swiss people) and Category:Immigrants to Poland
- Upmerge Category:Swiss emigrants to Portugal to Category:Swiss emigrants (per Category:Swiss people) and Category:Immigrants to Portugal
- Upmerge Category:Swiss emigrants to Romania to Category:Swiss emigrants (per Category:Swiss people) and Category:Immigrants to Romania
- Upmerge Category:Swiss emigrants to Uruguay to Category:Swiss emigrants (per Category:Swiss people) and Category:Immigrants to Uruguay
- Upmerge Category:Syrian emigrants to Iran to Category:Syrian emigrants (per Category:Syrian people) and Category:Immigrants to Iran
- Upmerge Category:Taiwanese emigrants to the Netherlands to Category:Taiwanese emigrants (per Category:Taiwanese people) and Category:Immigrants to the Netherlands
- Upmerge Category:Tanzanian emigrants to Sweden to Category:Tanzanian emigrants (per Category:Tanzanian people) and Category:Immigrants to Sweden
- Upmerge Category:Thai emigrants to New Zealand to Category:Thai emigrants (per Category:Thai people) and Category:Immigrants to New Zealand
- Upmerge Category:Togolese emigrants to Ghana to Category:Togolese emigrants (per Category:Togolese people) and Category:Immigrants to Ghana
- Upmerge Category:Tunisian emigrants to Argentina to Category:Tunisian emigrants (per Category:Tunisian people) and Category:Immigrants to Argentina
- Upmerge Category:Turkish emigrants to Albania to Category:Turkish emigrants (per Category:Turkish people) and Category:Immigrants to Albania
- Upmerge Category:Turkish emigrants to Colombia to Category:Turkish emigrants (per Category:Turkish people) and Category:Immigrants to Colombia
- Upmerge Category:Turkish emigrants to Monaco to Category:Turkish emigrants (per Category:Turkish people) and Category:Immigrants to Monaco
- Upmerge Category:Turkish emigrants to Saudi Arabia to Category:Turkish emigrants (per Category:Turkish people) and Category:Immigrants to Saudi Arabia
- Upmerge Category:Turkish emigrants to Syria to Category:Turkish emigrants (per Category:Turkish people) and Category:Immigrants to Syria
- Upmerge Category:Venezuelan emigrants to Costa Rica to Category:Venezuelan emigrants (per Category:Venezuelan people) and Category:Immigrants to Costa Rica
- Upmerge Category:Venezuelan emigrants to Switzerland to Category:Venezuelan emigrants (per Category:Venezuelan people) and Category:Immigrants to Switzerland
- Rationale: recent cfds such as 2022 October 4#Category:Emigrants from the United States to British India, 2022 October 4#Category:Emigrants from the Ottoman Empire to British India, 2023 April 29#French emigrants and 2023 April 28#Belgian emigrants have upmerged small categories to their relevant parents. The categories listed are all small (1, 2 or 3 articles) and should be similarly upmerged.
- The full list (around 170 categories) is on the talk page: Wikipedia talk:Categories for discussion/Log/2023 May 11. Oculi (talk) 00:06, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Merge per nom. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:09, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Procedural comment I have "Emigrants from Venezuala" on my watchlist so was advised then a CFD was added to the page. However, on clicking the "this category's entry" link, it brought me to a page where it was almost impossible to view the nomination. @Oculi: has now made his addendum above more visible. So when I clicked the 170 categories, I eventually saw the detailed proposal. Is is procedurally acceptable for a nomination detail to remain entirely off-page on a talk page? Is that fair? Laurel Lodged (talk) 12:37, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's been done many times before. * Pppery * it has begun... 12:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- The advantage is that opiners do not have to scroll through 170+ lines to add their views, and has indeed been done many times before. It is true that this imposes upon an interested party the burden of clicking twice, but then so does a hidden (collapsed) sublist. Oculi (talk) 14:03, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- "It's done before" does not make it acceptable. Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:42, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Very neat solution to the problem (inserting the list without cluttering up the page). Oculi (talk) 01:55, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- The collapsed list is the accepted norm. One would notice such a structure. It is quite unlikely that one would notice a link in a rather large wall of text. What makes this procedural lapse all the more egregious was the supercilious replies by the nominator to a GoodFaith query on his talk page here. A simple, direct answer might have prevented this present complaint. Laurel Lodged (talk) 19:34, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Collapsing does not work on mobile and presumably mobile is the norm nowadays. Now you have to scroll through all the individual entries. This has become a really bad way of formatting. Marcocapelle (talk) 06:18, 12 May 2023 (UTC)
- It's been done many times before. * Pppery * it has begun... 12:48, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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Category:Exelastini & Template:Exelastini-stub
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- The result of the discussion was: rename. (non-admin closure) CLYDE TALK TO ME/STUFF DONE (please mention me on reply) 20:05, 20 May 2023 (UTC)
- Propose renaming Category:Exelastini to Category:Marasmarchini
- Propose renaming Template:Exelastini-stub to Template:Marasmarchini-stub
- Nominator's rationale: Exelastini has been deemed a junior synonym of Marasmarchini. See World Catalogue of Pterophoroidea, which also refers to the relevant scientific paper.
- Category rename is borderline C2D-speedy, except that the "eponymous page" is a redirect to parent taxon Pterophorinae rather than a separate article. Effects ~50 articles.
- Template is an upmerged stub template, so the category it feeds into does not need renaming, just the template itself. Effects ~50 articles. AddWittyNameHere 00:00, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
- Rename per nom. Plantdrew (talk) 21:17, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
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