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The result was no consensus‎. However note it is already at Death of Umm Fahad Star Mississippi 12:02, 13 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Umm Fahad[edit]

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A Iraqi TikTok personality who was recently shot. Seems to lack any notability or sources while alive, a violation of WP:VICTIM and WP:GNG. BlakeIsHereStudios (talk | contributions) 21:11, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Dance, Crime, Internet, and Iraq. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 21:25, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Proposal I'd support a move to Death of Umm Fahad.Jeanette Tu Novia Martin (?) 22:05, 27 April, 2024 (UTC)
  • Comment Wouldn't the title Murder of Umm Fahad be more accurate? Like Murder of John Lennon? Brudelman (talk) 23:45, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment Yeah, thats what i meant...Jeanette Ms. Red Lipstick Martin (?) 02:35, 29 April, 2024 (UTC)
• Comment @BlakeIsHereStudios: Has someone consulted possible sources in Arabic? WhisperToMe (talk) 22:55, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

I don't usually think Internet "personalities" are worth the time of day. However, she seems noteworthy as it further highlights the ludicrous things that people will fall foul of the morality police in the middle east.Salty1984 (talk) 23:43, 27 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

This isn't a result of "Morality Police" - as Iraq doesn't have an official designated police force. Iran on the other hand, yes. The Ghashd Ershad (Morality Police) exist there, but don't shoot people (albeit they do harass people). This woman was killed by some lunatic fanatic by the looks of things, nothing related to morality police. Just thought I would clarify that. Ali313korosh (talk) 01:54, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

•My understanding is that in Iraq, an influencer may speak about social and political issues as well as promoting cosmetics and clothing. Perhaps an explanation of the role of influencers would make the death more significant. - - - - 65.18.206.23 (talk) 04:28, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Move to Death of Umm Fahad per JeanetteMartin's !vote, most if not all the coverage of this individual seems to be in regards of their death. However, more indebth sources need to be provided in order to satisfy WP:NOTNEWS and WP:GNG, which I am unsure if the article passes at the moment. Inter&anthro (talk) 07:12, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Move and wait, as her death seems to be gathering international attention. RodRabelo7 (talk) 09:06, 28 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Like others have previously said, move to Death of Umm Fahad for now. B3251 (talk) 23:12, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete An individual whose persona has not garnered much attention, and I am doubtful that their passing will have a lasting impact after a short period of time, possibly weeks or months. EpicAdventurer (talk) 23:18, 30 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep Umm Fahad, her real name Ghufran Mahdi Sawadi, was another social media influencer murdered because their individual lifestyle is hated by the irakian system. Her Voice was important as an resistance against the morality of the Irak government. It was a internationally perceived femizid. "Traditional societies have very restrictive ideas about gender roles. Women have to be modest and reserved, they should serve men and not show off their bodies," explains Dorothee Dienstbühl, Professor of Criminology at Brandenburg Police University. -> https://www-zdf-de.translate.goog/nachrichten/politik/ausland/irak-influencerin-tiktok-ermordet-femizide-100.html?_x_tr_sl=de&_x_tr_tl=en&_x_tr_hl=de&_x_tr_pto=wapp&_x_tr_hist=true --Jensbest (talk) 21:01, 3 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  I'm sorry, but what? Duke of New Gwynedd (talk | contrib.) 06:44, 7 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Guerillero ^{Parlez Moi} 09:30, 5 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.