The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was delete. Closing early due to early consensus. Missvain (talk) 23:40, 18 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Albanian Crosses[edit]

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This article is a purely revisioned/falsified/fictional version of Khachkars article. There is none/has never been any evidence of existence of Albanian Crosses similar to Khachkars. The article also disputes/contradicts several other article, e.g.

• Armenian cemetery in Julfa,
• Syunik (historic province),
• House of Hasan-Jalalyan,
• Principality of Khachen,
• Caucasian Albania,
• Gandzasar Monastery,
• Dadivank Monastery

Addictedtohistory (talk) 07:18, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete Armenian inscribed khachkar images are presented as Albanian in article. Armenian provinces and principalities are presented as Albanian. The Armenian royal family presented as Albanian. What is most ridiculous, is that Caucasian Albanian ceased to exist in 8th century, yet history after 10th century is attributed to Caucasian Albania. The entire article throughout is pure fictional revision of Khachkar article --Addictedtohistory (talk) 08:21, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Clearly redundant to Khachkar, but some of it might be of use there. - Sumanuil (talk) 09:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Where to start? Fiction, falsification, propaganda, fake images. --Hayordi (talk) 09:37, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 09:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Albania-related deletion discussions. ^{Engr. Smitty Werben} 09:53, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete the article is fully fictional, uses images of Armenian Khachkars from Armenian monasteries. Give imaginary explanations on cross variants that are unrelated to christianity whatsoever, none of the sources are linked, verifiable or unbiased. This is another example of "Albanification" attemps on Wikipedia - Kevo327 (talk) 12:29, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete, per nominator. Eurofan88 (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete The article is clearly built upon anti-Armenian historical negationism regarding Khachkars in specific and Armenians and the history of Armenians in general. AntonSamuel (talk) 13:22, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete Hell, it was even worse before I (and other users) removed some information. It tied the ancient Caucasian Albania state and its people with the modern-day Republic of Azerbaijan (that would be like, say, if Turkey claimed to be a continuation of ancient Greece, Lydia, and whatnot..), talk about pseudo-history. Not to mention this article pushes a bizarre Caucasian Albania narrative as far into the late Middle Ages, completely ignoring that Caucasian Albania was gone by the 8th-century. Irredentist nonsense is/was also sponsored in the article, with terms such as 'Western Azerbaijan' (referring to Armenia) and 'Southern Azerbaijan' (referring to northern Iran) being used. This doesn't surprise me at all, considering the user who added this (Altun Ahmedov) has in his short time on Wikipedia more or less pov-pushed/disrupted articles. [1] [2] [3]. To those who don't know much about this topic of revisionism regarding Caucasian Albania, I would advise them to read [4]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 14:05, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete it mostly relies on unreliable sources. --► Sincerely: SolaVirum 15:02, 15 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per the rationale by Addictedtohistory. The new article is just a POV and historical revisionist version of Khachkar; typical nationalistic stuff/rants on WP. --Wario-Man (talk) 07:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete per WP:FORK. Redirect if you must out of pity. Bearian (talk) 18:10, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for comment. But Khachkar is an Armenian cross stone. Redirection from Albanian crosses may be misleading for a common reader, in a sence that Armenia and Albania is the same --Addictedtohistory (talk) 22:31, 16 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete per the rationale by Addictedtohistory. --RaffiKojian (talk) 09:40, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
• Delete as a WP:POVFORK of the Khachkars article. 86.23.109.101 (talk) 13:33, 17 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.