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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:52, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Mr. Chain[edit]

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Company fails WP:NCORP. While several articles cited here provide significant coverage beyond trivial mentions, they are all in highly local publications (the Manistee News and the Traverse City Record-Eagle). Under NCORP, "Attention solely from local media (e.g., the weekly newspaper for a small town)... is not an indication of notability." A BEFORE search turns up no additional qualifying sources. Dclemens1971 (talk) 16:06, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Companies and Michigan. Shellwood (talk) 16:42, 22 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Keep meets WP:GNG. I think there should be more in newspaper archives - this company is very notable in its particular niche and most of the innovative things done by this company were in pre-internet era (it was founded in 1960). Nienders (talk) 12:48, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

  The WP:BURDEN is on the editor proposing material to prove notability; can you supply the newspaper citations? I searched archive sites in my BEFORE search but I only found local media coverage. Dclemens1971 (talk) 12:58, 24 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• I'll also add that the appropriate criteria is WP:NCORP which provides extensive guidelines on the criteria for establishing notability. None of the reasons provided by Nienders are supported by any references but nevertheless I searched several newspaper archives to see if I could find something that might support what was said. Unfortunately, there isn't a single article that meets NCORP criteria that I could find. HighKing⁺⁺ 13:51, 11 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 20:44, 29 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete This is a company therefore GNG/WP:NCORP requires at least two deep or significant sources with each source containing "Independent Content" showing in-depth information *on the company*. "Independent content", in order to count towards establishing notability, must include original and independent opinion, analysis, investigation, and fact checking that are clearly attributable to a source unaffiliated to the subject. I'm unable to identify any references that meet the criteria for establishing notability. HighKing⁺⁺ 18:53, 30 May 2024 (UTC)[reply]
• Weak keep - the local newspaper of Traverse City should be considered reliable and independent, but much of the news is mundane coverage. 14:33, 4 June 2024 (UTC)

  I agree that the Traverse City paper should be considered reliable and independent. But under WP:AUD, that's not all that's required. Significant coverage in "media with an international, national, or at least regional audience (e.g., the biggest daily newspaper in any US state) is a strong indication of notability. Attention solely from local media (e.g., the weekly newspaper for a small town), or media of limited interest and circulation (e.g., a newsletter exclusively for people with a very unusual job), is not an indication of notability. At least one regional, statewide, provincial, national, or international source is necessary." I think the debate is whether the paper serving Traverse City (population 15,000) is "local media"; I think it is, which is why I nominated the article. Dclemens1971 (talk) 18:11, 4 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Doczilla _{Ohhhhhh, no!} 02:33, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

• Delete: This was all I can pull up [1], interesting bit of trivia, but not enough for NCORP. Oaktree b (talk) 14:20, 6 June 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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