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==Diacritics== |
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Wikipedia article titles use diacritics and non-English letter forms where needed, consistently with article text. For titling ice hockey articles: |
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* '''All player and other hockey personnel biographies''' should have [[diacritic]]s applied as sources indicate is conventional for the name in question.{{efn|Wikipedia follows reliable-source usage, on a subject-by-subject basis, with regard to diacritics. If sources indicate that a diacritic belongs there, then we use it, even if some sources drop it. If sources (including the person's own published statements) indicate they prefer, or have dropped, the diacritic, then Wikipedia will do so as well; see also [[WP:ABOUTSELF]] and [[MOS:IDENTITY]]. Check the sources; do not make assumptions. For example, the Spanish name [[Rodríguez (surname)|Rodríguez]] is frequently spelled both with and without the acute accent in the United States, on a family-by-family or person-by-person basis. And check sources broadly; sport governing bodies are notorious for dropping diacritics for expediency while other sources correctly retain them for individuals who use them.}} Examples: [[Frédéric St. Denis]], [[Joé Juneau]], [[Jennifer Harß]], [[Felix Schütz]], [[Māris Ziediņš]], [[Per-Åge Skrøder]] |
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* '''All North American hockey pages''' should have '''names''' without diacritics, except where their use is likewise customary (specifically, in the [[Quebec Major Junior Hockey League]] and the [[Ligue Nord-Américaine de Hockey]]). |
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* '''All North American hockey pages''', aside from bios as covered above, should have titles without diacritics, except where their use is likewise customary (specifically, for various team names in the [[Quebec Major Junior Hockey League]] and the [[Ligue Nord-Américaine de Hockey]]). |
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==Disambiguation== |
==Disambiguation== |
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All articles should attempt to use the most common form in English, but due to shared names, this is not always possible. |
All articles should attempt to use [[WP:COMMONNAME|the most common form in English-language sources]], but due to shared names, this is not always possible. |
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===Biographies=== |
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{{hatnote|See also [[Wikipedia:Naming conventions (sportspeople)]]}} |
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In the event that a player shares the same name as another notable person |
In the event that a player, coach, or other bio subject shares the same name as another notable person: |
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*If one ice hockey person is markedly more notable than any other people with this name, that person should have that name as their article title, e.g. [[Patrick Roy]]. See [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]]. In such a case, use a [[WP:HATNOTE|hatnote]] template at the top of the article, usually {{tlx|Other people}}, which will automatically generate a note like "''For other people named Patrick Roy, see [[Patrick Roy (disambiguation)]].''" |
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*Use middle names or nicknames for the article title, provided that the nickname or middle name is sufficiently common and used frequently in sources. For instance [[Tiger Williams]]. |
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Otherwise, when it is necessary to have a disambiguated article title, use one of the following options, in this order of preference: |
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*When two or more ice hockey players share a common name and birth year, use the players' position. For instance [[Sean Collins (ice hockey defenceman)]], [[Sean Collins (ice hockey forward, born 1983)]] and [[Sean Collins (ice hockey, born 1988)]]. |
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*Use a [[hypocorism]] or nickname in place of the real given name, but {{em|only}} if it is commonly known to readers and is used frequently in sources. Examples: [[Dave Lumley]], [[Sue Merz]], [[Bob Dobek]]; [[Tiger Williams]], [[Punch Broadbent]], [[Babe Pratt]]. Do not use a title in a form like [[Norman "Red" Dutton]], though both it and [[Norman Dutton (ice hockey)]] should exist as [[WP:Redirect|redirects]] to the real article, [[Red Dutton]]. |
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*If two or more share a name {{em|and}} birth year, it is sometimes possible to disambiguate by the playing position (or other role, e.g. coach) for which the person is most notable. For instance, [[Sean Collins (ice hockey defenceman)]], [[Sean Collins (ice hockey forward, born 1983)]] and [[Sean Collins (ice hockey, born 1988)]].<!--This is inconsistent and confusing; the examples do not appear to be following the same rule.--> However, ice hockey people are not often disambiguated by position due to the nature of the game, in which players often play more than one position even on the same team. |
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* Use of middle names or initials for sports figures is the {{em|least}} common disambiguation approach, because these long names are usually not used often by sources and are not familiar to readers. Basically, this is only going to come up without controversy when the subject usually goes/went by a pair of initials or by their full name all the time (i.e., when it is the person's [[WP:COMMONNAME]]); examples: [[L. S. Dutkowski]], [[J. J. Daigneault]], [[Tammy Lee Shewchuk]], [[Victor Hubert Tait]], [[Tor Helge Eikeland]]<!--It took over half an hour to find these full-middle-name examples, it's that rare!-->. |
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===Teams=== |
===Teams=== |
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In the event that a team article shares the same name as another team |
In the event that a team article shares the same name as another team in a different league or sport: |
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*The most notable team from the most notable league gets preference when vying for the shorter article title. See [[WP:PRIMARYTOPIC]] for when to do this and when to mutually disambiguate all the articles. |
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*Use the initials from the league following the team name. For example, [[Pittsburgh Pirates]] and [[Pittsburgh Pirates (NHL)]] and [[Colorado Rockies]] and [[Colorado Rockies (NHL)]] |
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*When disambiguating, use the initials of the league following the team name. For example, [[Pittsburgh Pirates]] and [[Pittsburgh Pirates (NHL)]], and [[Colorado Rockies]] and [[Colorado Rockies (NHL)]]. In both of these cases, the baseball teams are more notable than the hockey teams, and are the primary topics for their names. However, the hockey team [[Toronto Maple Leafs]] will be remain the primary topic for that name if a [[North American Soccer League]] team is created with the same name; our article on the latter would be at [[Toronto Maple Leafs (NASL)]]. |
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:''Note: The most notable team from the most notable league should get preference over article title naming.'' |
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==Notes== |
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{{Notelist}} |
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==See also== |
==See also== |
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Revision as of 21:41, 14 April 2019
Diacritics
Wikipedia article titles use diacritics and non-English letter forms where needed, consistently with article text. For titling ice hockey articles:
- All player and other hockey personnel biographies should have diacritics applied as sources indicate is conventional for the name in question.[a] Examples: Frédéric St. Denis, Joé Juneau, Jennifer Harß, Felix Schütz, Māris Ziediņš, Per-Åge Skrøder
- All North American hockey pages, aside from bios as covered above, should have titles without diacritics, except where their use is likewise customary (specifically, for various team names in the Quebec Major Junior Hockey League and the Ligue Nord-Américaine de Hockey).
- All non-North American hockey pages should have diacritics applied as sources indicate is conventional for the name in question.
Disambiguation
All articles should attempt to use the most common form in English-language sources, but due to shared names, this is not always possible.
Biographies
In the event that a player, coach, or other bio subject shares the same name as another notable person:
- If one ice hockey person is markedly more notable than any other people with this name, that person should have that name as their article title, e.g. Patrick Roy. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC. In such a case, use a hatnote template at the top of the article, usually
{{Other people}}, which will automatically generate a note like "For other people named Patrick Roy, see Patrick Roy (disambiguation)."
Otherwise, when it is necessary to have a disambiguated article title, use one of the following options, in this order of preference:
- Use "(ice hockey)" following the player's name, as in James Sanford (ice hockey).
- Use a hypocorism or nickname in place of the real given name, but only if it is commonly known to readers and is used frequently in sources. Examples: Dave Lumley, Sue Merz, Bob Dobek; Tiger Williams, Punch Broadbent, Babe Pratt. Do not use a title in a form like Norman "Red" Dutton, though both it and Norman Dutton (ice hockey) should exist as redirects to the real article, Red Dutton.
- Add the player's year of birth. For instance, Greg Adams (ice hockey, born 1963) and Greg Adams (ice hockey, born 1960).
- If two or more share a name and birth year, it is sometimes possible to disambiguate by the playing position (or other role, e.g. coach) for which the person is most notable. For instance, Sean Collins (ice hockey defenceman), Sean Collins (ice hockey forward, born 1983) and Sean Collins (ice hockey, born 1988). However, ice hockey people are not often disambiguated by position due to the nature of the game, in which players often play more than one position even on the same team.
- Use of middle names or initials for sports figures is the least common disambiguation approach, because these long names are usually not used often by sources and are not familiar to readers. Basically, this is only going to come up without controversy when the subject usually goes/went by a pair of initials or by their full name all the time (i.e., when it is the person's WP:COMMONNAME); examples: L. S. Dutkowski, J. J. Daigneault, Tammy Lee Shewchuk, Victor Hubert Tait, Tor Helge Eikeland.
Teams
In the event that a team article shares the same name as another team in a different league or sport:
- The most notable team from the most notable league gets preference when vying for the shorter article title. See WP:PRIMARYTOPIC for when to do this and when to mutually disambiguate all the articles.
- When disambiguating, use the initials of the league following the team name. For example, Pittsburgh Pirates and Pittsburgh Pirates (NHL), and Colorado Rockies and Colorado Rockies (NHL). In both of these cases, the baseball teams are more notable than the hockey teams, and are the primary topics for their names. However, the hockey team Toronto Maple Leafs will be remain the primary topic for that name if a North American Soccer League team is created with the same name; our article on the latter would be at Toronto Maple Leafs (NASL).
Notes
- ^ Wikipedia follows reliable-source usage, on a subject-by-subject basis, with regard to diacritics. If sources indicate that a diacritic belongs there, then we use it, even if some sources drop it. If sources (including the person's own published statements) indicate they prefer, or have dropped, the diacritic, then Wikipedia will do so as well; see also WP:ABOUTSELF and MOS:IDENTITY. Check the sources; do not make assumptions. For example, the Spanish name Rodríguez is frequently spelled both with and without the acute accent in the United States, on a family-by-family or person-by-person basis. And check sources broadly; sport governing bodies are notorious for dropping diacritics for expediency while other sources correctly retain them for individuals who use them.