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:Also please read [[WP:NOTTHEM]] - regardless of what "other editors" have or have not done, the key to being unblocked is to discuss ''your'' actions and how you will avoid repeating the situation in the future. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 02:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
:Also please read [[WP:NOTTHEM]] - regardless of what "other editors" have or have not done, the key to being unblocked is to discuss ''your'' actions and how you will avoid repeating the situation in the future. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub><font color="maroon">[[User talk:The Bushranger|One ping only]]</font></sub> 02:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
::And you still have not made any attempt at retraction. [[User:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkRed">Tide</span>''']][[User talk:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:darkRed">rolls'''</span>]] 03:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)
::And you still have not made any attempt at retraction. [[User:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:White;background:darkRed">Tide</span>''']][[User talk:Tide rolls|'''<span style="color:darkRed">rolls'''</span>]] 03:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)

:::Nor do I believe the claim that Trojancowboy has never spoken to or communicated with Jamie Kelso. [[User:Dougweller|Dougweller]] ([[User talk:Dougweller|talk]]) 06:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)


===A few words of advice===
===A few words of advice===

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February 2008

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did to Janet Reno, you will be blocked from editing. Anastrophe (talk) 02:18, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add commentary or your own personal analysis to Wikipedia articles, as you did to Raoul Lowery. Doing so violates Wikipedia's neutral point of view policy and breaches the formal tone expected in an encyclopedia. Thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 05:23, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add content without citing reliable sources. Before making potentially controversial edits, it is recommended that you discuss them first on the article's talk page. If you are familiar with Wikipedia:Citing sources please take this opportunity to add your reference to the article. Contact me if you need assistance adding references. Thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 05:24, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

This is the only warning you will receive for your disruptive edits.
If you vandalize Wikipedia again, as you did to User:Anastrophe., you will be blocked from editing. your arguments are specious. you are providing no WP:RS as reference. you've also vandalized my user page, rather than posting your claim to my talk page. Anastrophe (talk) 18:57, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

butcher of waco

your source does not corroborate your claim, and is therefore unreliable. Anastrophe (talk) 19:00, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

furthermore, as a WP:BLP, your desire to add offensive material to the biography is trumped by policy. Anastrophe (talk) 19:25, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]
"yahoo hits" is not a reliable reference, and cannot be used as such. your claims are specious. STOP. Anastrophe (talk) 19:33, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Janet Reno. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions in a content dispute within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. Hqb (talk) 19:44, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

AIV

Please do not make reports to WP:AIV for content disputes. AIV is for reporting vandalism. - Rjd0060 (talk) 19:51, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I investigated your edits; I find that your allegation that Janet Reno is 'widely known as the Butcher of Waco' is unsubstantiated. The reference you give says that "a small number of Branch Davidians" refer to her as that; the number of hits for the phrase on yahoo and Google is very small for an alleged popular phrase.

As above, please use the article's talk page to resolve disputes. DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:54, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]


Consider yourself warned that further reversion of the article Janet Reno will result in a block for violation of the three revert rule. The vandalism exception does not apply in this case. DJ Clayworth (talk) 19:56, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not add unsourced or original content, as you did to Raoul Lowery. Doing so violates Wikipedia's verifiability policy. If you would like to experiment, please use the sandbox. Thank you. Anastrophe (talk) 19:55, 1 February 2008 (UTC)[reply]

March 2008

Please don't change the format of dates, as you did to Curtis LeMay. Most British people and many people internationally write dates in day-month-year order, e.g., 12 December 1904. Most Americans use month-day-year order, e.g., December 12, 1904. If the article is about an American topic, use month-day-year. If it is a British topic, use day-month-year. If neither, leave it as originally written. Many Americans or British people take offence if an article about their country, written in their local version of English, is changed around to a version they don't use. So please do not do that.

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Please remember to mark your edits, such as your recent edits to Katharine Burr Blodgett, as minor if (and only if) they genuinely are minor edits (see Help:Minor edit). Marking a major change as a minor one is considered poor etiquette. The rule of thumb is that only an edit that consists solely of spelling corrections, formatting changes, or rearranging of text without modifying content should be flagged as a 'minor edit.' Thank you. Jons63 (talk) 12:39, 10 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

magnetic flux density

That article is part of a series on "orders of magnitude." See the template on the right. Please don't move it.

Thric3 (talk) 04:45, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Your revert of my merge, calling it 'vandalism', was not appropriate. A while ago I found an old article called nascent hydrogen, and decided to merge it as it hardly got any attention under its previous title. Since atomic hydrogen is the same thing as nascent hydrogen, it should also be merged, and into the same section in hydrogen. This is what I did. The way, the truth, and the light (talk) 01:34, 21 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

April 2008

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Atomic hydrogen. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24 hour period. Additionally, users who perform a large number of reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring, even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. If you continue, you may be blocked from editing. Please do not repeatedly revert edits, but use the talk page to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. If necessary, pursue dispute resolution. EnviroboyTalkCs 03:57, 22 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Dispute over page Atomic hydrogen

Moving the text to the hydrogen article simply moved the dispute there. WikiProject Elements has been notified of this dispute and will try to resolve in favor of the best article quality. --mav (talk) 02:31, 23 April 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Speedy deletion of Sylvia Stolz

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Proposed deletion of "Brooklyn Book Festival"

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Speedy deletion of William Pomerance

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October 2008

Please do not add unreferenced or poorly referenced information, especially if controversial, to articles or any other page on Wikipedia about living persons, as you did to William Pomerance. Thank you. Hey there Trojancowboy. Thank you for your contribution of the article on William Pomerance. However, please take note that information added to Wikipedia must be sourced by reliable, third-party sources. Writing that Pomerance is a "Communist" and a Jew without citation is inappropriate and has been corrected. Walt Disney making a claim that Pomerance is a communist in an interview, while himself admitting that he had no evidence, does not mean that Pomerance is a communist. It means he has been accused of being a communist only. Please feel free to contact me if you need any help or clarification. Thank you! FlyingToaster 01:39, 23 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Adding in inappropriate external links that add no value to the article for the purpose of "being useful for expanding the article" should not be done. The last time i deleted i did it one at a time so that it would be clear why each one had to go. This time i mass deleted because the record of the reasons remain. Please see the external links [|policy]. [|This] may also be helpful.Bali ultimate (talk) 20:41, 23 October 2008 (UTC) [reply]

Arthur Butz

  1. Per reliable sources and accordingly, the overwhelming consensus from an issue discussed countless times, the correct terminology is Holocaust denier, not revisionist. Please see the archives of Talk:Holocaust denial.
  2. You, like many others who bring forward that quote, are plucking it completely out of context. Here is what Stephen Some said regarding it:

It really is incredible how these idiots can take what you say out of context. However, rest assured, my comments were the following, "These Holocaust deniers are very slick people. They justify everything THEY say with facts and figures." Yes, I should have added "alleged facts and figures," however, I did refer to what THEY say. Therefore, I feel comfortable with the comment because my implication is the facts and figures according to them, which of course are entirely false.

  • Note that you have already reverted the page three times within 24 hours - if you do so again you will be probably blocked for edit warring. If you are unable to grasp the above points then this will be taken to a more visible place. WilliamH (talk) 11:35, 27 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Strain (mechanics) article

You are proposing the strain (mechanics) article. This topic is already included in Deformation (mechanics). Strain is no different than deformation. I redirected the strain article to Deformation. There is no point of an article on strain. How would you fill that page? all the content about strain is already addressed in the Deformation article. sanpaz (talk) 21:53, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

my computer

the nc6000 is infamous for being crap:

link to hp support board about it

nevermind im going to stick with my eeepc for a while, thanks Decora (talk) 11:54, 30 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The price of tea in China (and kalium in America)

Although not an official policy, we've been trying to avoid adding price info to element articles. The reason is that it changes from year to year, month to month, from supplier to supplier, and is both quantity (and more importantly) purity-dependent. By the time you get done with that matrix of variables, it's impossible to keep up with. So better not to go down the road at all. Even if we decided on "ACS REAGENT" grade for all our elements, it's not defined for a lot of them. And then do we want prices of foil compared with shot or ingot.... Really, you don't want to do this. Trust me. SBHarris 00:55, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

You make a good point about the constant change in prices. However price information gives the reader a ballpark feeling for the item involved. An accuracy of 50% where available is vastly better than no idea at all on price.Trojancowboy (talk) 01:24, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

But you can't honestly say you're even doing that. How pure is the potassium you're talking about? And what made you chose that purity? As a long-time buyer of elements, I know very well that there is no even approximate answer to these question. But let's start with potassium. Exactly how pure is ACS reagent potassium metal? Do you know? Is it even known? Reagent grades usually defined by their impurities, not their purity. And the $700/kg stuff from GalliumSource you quote is for 98.5%, which is certainly not reagent, but an industrial grade. http://www.mcssl.com/store/gallium-source/potassium-metal/0085---potassium-metal-1-kilogram If you want 99.5% potassium from Aldrich, in 20 g cubes you'll pay $2 a gram for it, which is $2000/kg. The 99.995% in ampules is $492 for 25 g which is about $20,000 a kg. See the problem? And call me Steve. SBHarris 02:58, 28 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]


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Possibly unfree File:Buttergr.jpg

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  • I read your comment on the talk page, but I still did not see enough to suggest that this passes A7. If you think you can show more importance, bearing in mind that if the article is to be kept in the longer term it will have to pass the higher standard of WP:Notability per WP:Notability (people), reply below here and I will userfy it for you to work on. Regards, JohnCD (talk) 21:35, 7 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    By chance, I saw this message, the deleted article, and your reply, and found your reply way out of line. Naturally, we get upset when our work is removed, however, your work consisted of one line and one reference. Please take writing on wikipedia more responsibly and do avoid attacking its editors. Materialscientist (talk) 00:15, 8 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Eight legs = all arachnids

Hi Trojancowboy, thanks for your contribution to Tick. However, since all arachnids have eight legs, I thought it was a little redundant to have that leg number info in the lede, so I reverted your edit. It's no big deal – just wanted to let you know. Cheers, Accedietalk to me 05:23, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have new message/s Hello. You have a new message at Accedie's talk page.

File source and copyright licensing problem with File:Ghez9.jpg

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February 2012

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Use of the word libellous

I need to ask you to make it explicit that in using the word libelous you have no intention of taking any legal action. I assume you don't, but I need to ask you and you might want to read WP:NLT to understand my request. Dougweller (talk) 17:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I see that on another talk page you say you have no immediate plans. That's not enough, please make it clear that you have no plans to take any legal action or encourage others to do so. Thanks. Dougweller (talk) 18:26, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

ANI

I've raised this at WP:ANI#Possible legal threat. You need now to make it clear there that you are not intending to take any legal action or encourage others to do so. Dougweller (talk) 19:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

You have been blocked indefinitely from editing for making very thinly veiled threats to attempt to take steps intended to be likely to result in legal action. If you would like to be unblocked, you may appeal this block by adding the text {{unblock|reason=Your reason here ~~~~}}, but you should read the guide to appealing blocks first. JamesBWatson (talk) 20:27, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Improper Editing Block

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

Trojancowboy (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))


Request reason:

This is an arbitrary block for no good reason. I correctly observed that falsely characterizing someone as a White Supremist in a biography of a living person is grounds for Wikipedia being sued for libel. I don't know what rights that I have to sue over such a manner but I may have some rights to sue for such treatment as this.Trojancowboy (talk) 22:22, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

You don't get unblocked by making legal threats -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 22:35, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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Appeal of Improper Editing Block

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Request reason:

I have made NO threats to sue Wikipedia. I have correctly observed that a charge in the biography of the living person "Jamie Kelso", that he is a White Supremacist, is libelous. Pointing out that Wikipedia could be sued by Kelso is not a threat of legal action. I posted a "dubious" notice there which resulted in me being blocked. That "dubious" tag was removed without a proper discussion of this issue. This is abuse by whoever blocked me from editing. Trojancowboy (talk) 22:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

Wikipedia works by consensus, this means that all dispute should be solved through discussion. If you believe that something violates WP:BLP, there are many venues where you can discuss the issue. Editors making legal threats are blocked because these threats have a chilling effect and short-circuit Wikipedia consensus-building processes. This edit had a serious chilling effect; therefore, I am uncomfortable unblocking you unless you explictly retract it and undertake to follow Wikipedia's dispute resolution methods, which include neither the threat to contact other people so that they sue Wikipedia or its editors nor the threat to be the one actually suing. Salvio Let's talk about it! 23:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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You may want to read this Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks. In a WP:NLT block, the only way to have the block lifted is to acknowledge that you realize we have a No Legal Threats Policy, that even implied legal threats count and that you rescind any and all explicit or implied legal threats. Otherwise you will not be unblocked. Please read up on that policy page. Heiro 23:06, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Editing Block Appeal

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Trojancowboy (block log • active blocks • global blocks • contribs • deleted contribs • filter log • creation log • change block settings • unblock • checkuser (log))


Request reason:

I see now that I was in error for failing to know the proper procedure for reporting serious violations of WP:BLP . Other editors ganged up on me and caused my overreaction to defend myself. We are confusing cause and effect here. The behavior of these other editors had a rather chilling effect on the WP:BLP discussion as well. It seems to me that there is plenty of blame to go around. Most of my edits are in technical and scientific areas where such controversies do not usually happen. I have had over 1,100 edits with no such problems before. I am not familiar with all the details of how to handle these matters.


Perhaps it would have been better not to bring up the matter of libel action against Wikipedia in the first place. I did so to stress the importance of adhering to WP:BLP in order to prevent this. Perhaps you would want someone to defend you in your own biography when a libelous or untrue statement was being challenged. I have never spoken to Jamie Kelso nor communicated with him before. I came to this page for the sole reason of finding a link to one of his past internet radio shows. I didn't get what I came for.Trojancowboy (talk) 00:04, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Decline reason:

This doesn't look like a clear legal threat retractment and a promise to make no legal threats in the future. Combined with WP:NOTTHEM in this very request, I see no grounds to unblock you so far. Max Semenik (talk) 07:11, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]


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In the guy's article talk page, you made the rather outlandish claim that "there is no such thing as a white supremacist". It didn't take me long to find a KKK page in which they clearly state that whites are intended by God to be His "chosen people". That is the notion of "white supremacy". ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 00:28, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Playing Devil's Advocate, if that is the case, I can get you equally good evidence for Mormon Supremacy and Jewish Supremacy from the same type evidence. Considering one's clan to have been specially chosen by god for his favors, is about the most common human delusion I know of. If that is all you mean, most cultures have some of it. Indeed, America was colonized on it (you should read what John Winthrop and Cotton Mather had to say about the "election" of the puritans by god). However, there are connotations in White Supremacy that go quite beyond the idea of being specially chosen by god, or favored by god, or whatever. The Nation of Islam has classically been black supremacist in that (worse) sense. The real probablem is that everybody means something different by such phrases. SBHarris 03:24, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Harris is absolutely correct. I am sure that I can find other references to Japanese Supremacy or Chinese Supremacy. If Baseball Bugs claims that Kelso is a member of the KKK, he has put Wikipedia at great risk. No group that I know of which Kelso is a member would admit to being White Supremacist. Why was all this discussion not carried out on the section of the talk page that I started instead of banning me for bringing it up?Trojancowboy (talk) 03:37, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is not so much what Kelso or the groups he belongs to say about themselves, but what WP:RELIABLE sources say about them. As for the groups he belongs to, Kelso either is or was a member of National Alliance[1], which is described by numerous reliable sources as a white supremacist organization(NY Times, Boston Globe and ABC News for a few). Kelso is also a member of the American Third Position Party, also described by reliable sources as a white supremacist organization(SPLC, Yahoo News, Charleston Gazette and Business Insider for examples). And these aren't even the sources that have been found and added to the article on Kelso that specifically call him a white supremacist. Heiro 05:29, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
No, I am NOT claiming he's a member of the KKK. I'm taking issue with your statement, "There is no such thing as a White Supremacist. No organization that I know of wants to rule over other races." The KKK is exactly such an organization, and they openly admit it. So your assertion is false, on its face. And you didn't "bring it up", you made a blatant legal threat. That is absolutely against the rules. If you want to edit here again, you must retract and refute your legal threat. And lose this "libel" stuff. If you think there's a BLP violation of some kind, on the article talk page you say, "I think this is a BLP violation." Although, keep in mind you're essentially arguing over which kind of racist he is. Blecch. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:45, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, in an earlier unblock request, you stated, "I may have some rights to sue for such treatment as this." No. You don't. There is no constitutional right to edit wikipedia. You have particular topics of interest here, and you've been editing for 4 years. You need to recant your legal threat, totally and unconditionally, and stick with subjects you know something about.Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 03:50, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You're digging your hole pretty deep here, pardner. Baseball Bugs neither said not implied anything of the sort. I notice that you've been an editor since 2007. I'm more than inclined to assume good faith here, and chalk up your recent block to a temporary lapse of competence. Everybody is entitle to a brainfart once in a while. In the event that your latest unblock request is denied, as it probably will be, take a week off to cool down before you resubmit. You stepped on a big-ass policy landmine, and you're going to need some time to figure out what exactly happened, and then to revuerate. That's just my friendly advice, which you can take or ignore as you please. Dominus Vobisdu (talk) 03:54, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
1997? ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:00, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Corrected. Like I said, everybody's entitled to a brainfart now and again. ~~
What's up, Doc? is absolutely correct. I am arguing over exactly what type of racist that Kelso is. I am sure that Kelso would not object to being characterized as one but I do not presume to speak for him. Why was all this discussion not carried out on the section of the talk page that I started instead of banning me for bringing it up? (edit conflict caused paragraph duplication)Trojancowboy (talk) 04:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It might have been, had you not started the discussion with a false premise and then proceeded to throw legal threats around. And until you refute any and all legal threats, you won't be editing again, and unless you get serious about this, they might take away your talk page privilege also. ←Baseball Bugs What's up, Doc? carrots→ 04:17, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also, WP:BLOCKBANDIFF. - The Bushranger One ping only 10:35, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Also please read WP:NOTTHEM - regardless of what "other editors" have or have not done, the key to being unblocked is to discuss your actions and how you will avoid repeating the situation in the future. - The Bushranger One ping only 02:27, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And you still have not made any attempt at retraction. Tiderolls 03:13, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Nor do I believe the claim that Trojancowboy has never spoken to or communicated with Jamie Kelso. Dougweller (talk) 06:28, 16 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A few words of advice

If you want to be unblocked, you need to retract your legal threats. As I and others have argued at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard/Incidents, you clearly and unambiguously sought to give the impression that legal action was likely, apparently in the hope of intimidating others into not continuing to oppose your campaign to impose your preferred version in the article. You also clearly and unambiguously expressed the intention of calling the matter to the intention of someone who, according to your account might take such legal action. However, even if you can somehow still deny that doing so was a legal threat, this edit contained an explicit statement that you were yourself contemplating the possibility of taking legal action. It would be very easy to retract both of those legal threats. If you are not contemplating either taking legal action yourself or inviting participation by another person who you think may take legal action, then why not just say that you aren't? It really is that simple. If, on the other hand, you are still contemplating one or other of those two things, then Wikipedia's policy requires that the block stay in place.

Also, I will make a suggestion that I hope may help you on another issue, though it is not part of the reason for the block. You have defended your attempts to remove references to "white supremacy" on the grounds that "No group that I know of which Kelso is a member would admit to being White Supremacist". However, there is no earthly reason why Wikipedia should start restricting itself to reporting only facts about people which they avow. To the best of my knowledge Heinrich Himmler never said that he oversaw and organised the murder of millions of people. Do you think therefore that we should not mention the fact that he did? The opening sentence of the article Harold Shipman says that he was "one of the most prolific serial killers in recorded history", despite the fact that he denied all the murders with which he was charged. Should we remove from the article all reference to his murders, on the grounds that he did not admit to them? Under Wikipedia's current policy, whether people "admit" to being white supremacists or not is irrelevant: what matters is whether reliable third party sources say so. When you have been unblocked you are, of course, free to start a campaign to change Wikipedia's policy if you like, so that we start reporting about people only those things that they choose to have reported, but unless and until such a change happens, "No group that I know of which Kelso is a member would admit to being White Supremacist" will carry no weight at all.

Finally, Wikipedia is a collaborative project, and works by consensus. Many times I have disagreed with other editors about things. There have been occasions when I have been totally convinced that all the other editors involved are mistaken, and I have been right. On such occasions I have explained why I thought the others were mistaken, but if they have persisted in sticking to their view, I have simply walked away, and found some other area of Wikipedia to work on. Better that I spend my time on work which will achieve something useful than that I waste that time banging my head on a brick wall that will still be there when I have finished, even if I am right. Some Wikipedians edit in subject areas where conflict is continually present, others edit in less controversial areas, and rarely get into conflict. However, few if any people who edit Wikipedia frequently will always be able to have things the way they would ideally like. Better to accept the fact that, if consensus is against you, it is time to leave the issue and move on.

As you can no doubt imagine, it has taken me some time to think out and write down those three pieces of advice. I hope that you will consider them, and perhaps one or more of them will be helpful to you. JamesBWatson (talk) 08:59, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]