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{{notice |heading=[[WP:BLUESKY|"You don't need to cite that the sky is blue"]] |1=There exist countless reliable, published sources [https://www.google.com/search?tbs=bks:1&q=%22why+is+the+sky+blue%22+-wikipedia pointing out that ] [https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/blue-sky/en/ the sky is], [https://scholar.google.com/scholar?q=%22why+is+the+sky+blue%22 in fact, blue]. Beware of strenuous arguments for including more marginal information via comparison to this well-documented fact. No matter how questionable the sourcing, some editors will insist that various kinds of trivia or sensationalist gossip, especially [[WP:BLP|regarding living people]], are vital to the project, and accuse others of censoring Wikipedia to suppress '''[[WP: The Truth|The Truth™]]'''. Chances are that such arguments arise from a misunderstanding of the [[WP:NOTEVERYTHING|purpose of an encylopedia]] and draw heavily upon [http://youarenotsosmart.com/2010/06/23/confirmation-bias/ '''confirmation bias'''] in the absence of high-quality sources. See also [https://www.logicallyfallacious.com/tools/lp/Bo/LogicalFallacies/197/Appeal-to-Common-Sense '''Appeal to common sense'''].}}
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== Thanks ==
== Whats in a name? ==
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I saw that [[Sang de boeuf glaze]] had made it to the main page today as a DYK, and was admittedly somewhat confused, as I thought "Why'd they name a page after 'ol Wikipedia user Sangdeboeuf?" Regardless, made me chuckle and think of you :) <small>I think it would be very fitting if you were to help take it to GA status...</small> [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 18:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
...for that series of edits to Gamergate. --[[User:Anthonyhcole|Anthonyhcole]] ([[User talk:Anthonyhcole|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyhcole|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Anthonyhcole|email]]) 11:41, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
: Just trying to understand for myself what the whole thing is. "Torturously complex" doesn't begin to describe it. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 19:15, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:LOL. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 21:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
: I want to give you my thanks as well. Normally I'd use the ''thanks'' tool but you've been prolific and the sum total is just great. Goodonye. --[[User:Jorm|Jorm]] ([[User talk:Jorm|talk]]) 22:34, 1 July 2018 (UTC)
:: Out of interest, can I get a link for this one? I've never heard anyone associated with a mainstream, left-leaning site like Wikipedia suggest Gamergate is in any way complex. All the articles I've seen seemed to be very strongly representing a particular media narrative and nothing else. Have I just been looking at the wrong articles? [[User:Mrspaceowl|Mrspaceowl]] ([[User talk:Mrspaceowl|talk]]) 11:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
::: Maybe try [[Gamergate controversy#Organization|reading the article]]? —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 13:34, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
:::: I asked you for assistance and you responded by personally attacking me with sarcasm. [[User:Mrspaceowl|Mrspaceowl]] ([[User talk:Mrspaceowl|talk]]) 14:10, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
::::: Sangdeboeuf made most of [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?diff=848473432&oldid=841955085&title=Gamergate_controversy&type=revision these changes]. --[[User:Anthonyhcole|Anthonyhcole]] ([[User talk:Anthonyhcole|talk]] · [[Special:Contributions/Anthonyhcole|contribs]] · [[Special:EmailUser/Anthonyhcole|email]]) 16:12, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


==Woke==
== Order of bibliographies ==
Thanks for the notification of the [[woke]] article. [[User:Espngeek|Espngeek]] ([[User talk:Espngeek|talk]]) 00:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)


How can anybody say that saying that melanin people are superior than the white race as racism when melanin people have been hearing that same notion from white people all our lives. We as melanin people are very special beings and scientists have also acknowledged that without a doubt and have been puzzled trying to figure out our DNA going back so long ago so having a opinion is your right but let's speak facts and science our DNA is very different and our genes are very special in all aspects without a doubt there is something special about us and scientists and the government knows this and bee trying to study us to try to figure us out and that's why history is a lie and everything that everyone has been taught in school is all a lie and finally the truth is starting to come out about how superior we are just think about it why is every Egyptian statue nose have bee tampered with or most of the statues have been reconstructed claiming because of damage smh yea ok so not true we have been around as kings and queens from the beginning and all of the deities and God's look like no other but us beautiful in every shade shape and height so please wipe all what you have learned and do your research the correct way and you will see us In another light ASE' [[User:Tamekab1234|Tamekab1234]] ([[User talk:Tamekab1234|talk]]) 21:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
I'm not aware, and I've looked, that there is any policy that says bibliographies should be alphabetical. When you think of what the reader needs, they're not going to be looking by author name. They won't know any of the authors (and the rare reader who does, won't be looking in our bibliographies).


== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
When you put them chronologically, you're helping the reader see what is most recent, which is useful information. And on a highier level, which writings could have influenced subsequent writings, or had an influence at a particular time. There's an example of a chronological bibli9graphy, that got excellent reviews, at [https://web.archive.org/web/20160313084148/http://users.ipfw.edu/jehle/deisenbe/bibl_libros_de_caballerias/bibliography.pdf this link] (I co-authored it.) Please reconsider. [[User:Deisenbe|deisenbe]] ([[User talk:Deisenbe|talk]]) 04:13, 11 December 2018 (UTC)
: Assuming that you're referring to [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Reverse_racism&diff=873071573&oldid=873034109 this edit], I don't see how chronological order is an improvement. Controversy over the issue goes back to the 1970s; more recent sources are not necessarily more useful here. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 07:12, 11 December 2018 (UTC)


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== idle question ==


== "MOS: TITLEABSENTBOLD" listed at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion|Redirects for discussion]] ==
Your user name makes me think of {{Ping|Bloodofox}}. Because I am bilingual, I cannot help but associate the two of you. Maybe if you two could categorically state that you are not the same user, that would help my addled brain to get a grip around these pseudonyms that keep cropping up on my watchlist. (Deep respectful bows for the folklore, Bloodofox, incidentally...) &mdash; 🍣 [[User:SashiRolls | SashiRolls]] <sup>[[User_talk:SashiRolls | t]] · [[Special:Contributions/SashiRolls|c]]</sup> 00:07, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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:It ain't me! Hello, all! Glad to help. :) [[User:Bloodofox|&#58;bloodofox:]] ([[User talk:Bloodofox|talk]]) 00:09, 19 December 2018 (UTC)
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== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
== Misunderstanding of Due Weight ==


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See: "Where there is significant disagreement, good-faith discussion is encouraged, particularly with reference to any verifiable source which may present evidence as to the minority or majority status of a viewpoint. Where there is dispute, Wikipedia editors should not assume the prevalence of a particular viewpoint without providing evidence". It is not for you to dictate. You have to demonstrate good faith. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Reliable_sources_and_undue_weight] [[User:Mrspaceowl|Mrspaceowl]] ([[User talk:Mrspaceowl|talk]]) 14:09, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
: {{re|Mrspaceowl}} the [[WP:ONUS|burden is on you]] to obtain consensus for [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Patriarchy&curid=23266996&diff=876940651&oldid=876940579 this addition]. If you want to start a good-faith discussion on the article talk page, by all means do so. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 14:22, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
:: You want me to obtain consensus for allowing 2% of an article to contain another opinion. I'm not going to call you a Nazi right now, because Jews didn't get that chance. [[User:Mrspaceowl|Mrspaceowl]] ([[User talk:Mrspaceowl|talk]]) 14:24, 5 January 2019 (UTC)
::: Great. I appreciate that. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 15:23, 5 January 2019 (UTC)


== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
==Sarsour==
I left a message on the talk page.[[User:MagicatthemovieS|MagicatthemovieS]] ([[User talk:MagicatthemovieS|talk]]) 14:23, 23 February 2019 (UTC)MagicatthemovieS


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== AN/I ==


== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
Hi there! This is just a note to let you know that I've closed the AN/I discussion that was opened involving yourself and Beyond My Ken. Please give the closing statement that I wrote a read, and take my words to heart. Like I said, your actions have more of an impact than you think. ;-) If you have any questions or need anything, please don't hesitate to reach out to me on my user talk page. Best regards - [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 05:46, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
: Belated thanks, {{u|Oshwah}}. It was a silly dispute and I let my impatience get the better of me. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 07:29, 22 July 2020 (UTC)
::You're welcome, and no worries... We're not perfect, and I'm glad that you've reflected and since moved on. :-) [[User:Oshwah|<b><span style="color:#C00000">~Oshwah~</span></b>]]<sup><small><b>[[User_talk:Oshwah|<span style="color:blue">(talk)</span>]] [[Special:Contributions/Oshwah|<span style="color:green">(contribs)</span>]]</b></small></sup> 12:14, 8 August 2020 (UTC)


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== TPM ==


== Dispute Resolution (Reverse Racism) ==
[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ilhan_Omar&diff=prev&oldid=891182180 FWIW], I do not think Talking Points Memo is a blog any more — it clearly employs reporters and editors, does original reporting, has editorial standards, etc. I mean, it’s a silly source for international news (it runs wire stories) and removing it was fine, but I don’t think the reason you gave was accurate. —[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 12:51, 6 April 2019 (UTC)


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== Thoughts on Omar RFC close? ==


Please join us to help form a consensus. Thank you! [[User:Gumbear|Gumbear]] ([[User talk:Gumbear|talk]]) 16:35, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
I was pretty surprised by the result [[Talk:Ilhan_Omar#Request_for_Comment:_Should_Anti-semitism_accusations_be_included_in_the_lede?|here]], and I'm not sure that it reflects the discussion. At the same time, I'm not sure if it would accomplish much to ask for a second opinion. Any thoughts? [[User:Nblund |<span style="background-color: #CC79A7; color:white;">'''Nblund'''</span>]]<sup> [[User talk:Nblund|talk]]</sup> 19:47, 14 April 2019 (UTC)
: Looks like a bad close for sure. Numbers alone are on the "no" side, and most of the "yes" voters who cited policy didn't actually explain how their favored policy was relevant. I'd support a review request. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 21:49, 14 April 2019 (UTC)


== A kitten for you! ==
== 21 Convention (Manosphere) ==


Is [[Jezebel (website) | Jezebel]] considered a "quality source" for a reference for mentioning "The 21 Convention" in the [[Manosphere]] article? Curious. Thank you. Related: [https://jezebel.com/the-manospheres-existential-crisis-is-building-the-futu-1844673454 Jezebel article] [[User:Chicago Smooth|Chicago Smooth]] ([[User talk:Chicago Smooth|talk]]) [[User:Chicago Smooth|Chicago Smooth]] ([[User talk:Chicago Smooth|talk]]) 22:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
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[[User:Yeoss Chrysalis|Yeoss Chrysalis]] ([[User talk:Yeoss Chrysalis|talk]]) 07:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)
:Doubtful; see [[WP:JEZEBEL]]. --[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 03:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)


== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
== Geological fold ==


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Hi Sangdeboeuf, I've opened a discussion on your name change on the [[fold (geology)]] article. [[User:Mikenorton|Mikenorton]] ([[User talk:Mikenorton|talk]]) 10:36, 16 May 2019 (UTC)


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== Cleanup notice ==


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The lead sentence of the article during this day when you've been edit-warring over the notice reads: {{tq|Masculism or masculinism may variously refer to advocacy of the rights or needs of men and boys; and the adherence to or promotion of attributes (opinions, values, attitudes, habits) regarded as typical of men and boys.}} Split this line at the semi-colon, and you have a lead which describes two different topics:
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No matter which ''word'' they use, its clear that the sources tend to use one or the other ''meaning''. Wikipedia's articles are devoted to discreet [[WP:TOPIC]]s. I placed the cleanup tag specifically to address this problem that the article is focusing too hard on the word use and not enough a clearly-defined topic area. In that tag, I simply paraphrased the first line for brevity. By removing the paraphrasing like you have, "Masculism and masculinism may be better treated as separate topics", you're failing to address the actual concern I have raised and making the notice unclear by using terms that are themselves unclear to you.
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== November 2022 ==
If you want to demonstrate that you're willing to collaborate, then change the wording to describe the topic conflagration concern I've raised by using the exact phrasing from the lead sentence, but the cleanup tag must describe the actual concern it was placed to address. -- [[User:Netoholic|Netoholic]] [[User talk:Netoholic|@]] 18:54, 26 May 2019 (UTC)


Regarding [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=The_lady_doth_protest_too_much,_methinks&oldid=prev&diff=1122207622&diffmode=source this edit summary]. How is "meaning that the Player Queen's protestations of love and fidelity are too excessive to be believed" ironic? [[User:Kire1975|Kire1975]] ([[User talk:Kire1975|talk]]) 11:44, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
== MOS shortcut ==
: The cited source says so: [https://www.google.com/books/edition/Shakespeare_After_All/7PCzM_-2_A0C?hl=en&gbpv=1&pg=PA40 "an observation, ironically spoken by Gertrude, on the overacting of the grieving Player Queen in the play-within-the-play in ''Hamlet''"]. If you doubt the source's reliability, feel free to take it to the talk page. --[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 11:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::That source doesn't say "meaning that the Player Queen's protestations of love and fidelity are too excessive to be believed". Even if it did, that's a literal not ironic definition. Alanis Morrisette said rain on your wedding day is ironic. It doesn't make it so. [[User:Kire1975|Kire1975]] ([[User talk:Kire1975|talk]]) 12:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
:::Fine. Ignore my previous comment. We still go by what RSes say, and this one says the usage is ironic. --[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 12:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
::::This one says it's ironic, but it doesn't clarify why it's ironic. It's a [[WP:REDFLAG]], at best: {{tq|Any exceptional claim requires '''multiple''' high-quality sources.}} [[User:Kire1975|Kire1975]] ([[User talk:Kire1975|talk]]) 12:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)


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Is {{-r|MOS: TITLEABSENTBOLD}} a typo or is there a good reason it is necessary when we have {{-r|MOS:TITLEABSENTBOLD}}? '''[[User:Sam Sailor|Sam]] [[User talk:Sam Sailor|Sailor]]''' 11:48, 29 May 2019 (UTC)
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: The Android keyboard I use puts a space before words automatically, and sometimes I forget to correct it. So it's useful to me. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 01:55, 30 May 2019 (UTC)
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:Same with [[MOS: NOPIPE]] and [[MOS: SURNAME]], which I didn't realize you also created.<span id="ClydeFranklin:1669501049048:User_talkFTTCLNSangdeboeuf" class="FTTCmt"> —&nbsp;<big>[[User:ClydeFranklin|<sup>Clyde!</sup>]][[User talk:ClydeFranklin|<sub>Franklin!</sub>]]</big> 22:17, 26 November 2022 (UTC)</span>


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I noticed that you removed the date of birth identified by the subject at [[Adriana Chechik]]. Per [[WP:TWITTER]], it is acceptable to use a tweet by the article subject for unextraordinary facts, for which a birth date certainly qualifies. In this case, the subject's claimed date of birth is consistent with the age of the subject reported in various reliable sources stating her age. Please restore this information and citation. Cheers! [[User:BD2412|<span style="background:gold">'''''BD2412'''''</span>]] [[User talk:BD2412|'''T''']] 23:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)
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== Whats in a name? ==
== Nonsense ==


[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Antifeminism&type=revision&diff=1127337781&oldid=1127284718 This] is nonsensical revert. A page about antifeminism has to cite content about antifeminism. "[[A Voice for Men]]" is an antifeminist site. Was it not relevant, it wouldn't have its own article. The removal of "[[Who Stole Feminism?]]" is even worse because it's a book written by a feminist (Christina Hoff Sommers), i.e. it's not even entirely anti-feminist ''per se'' but a ''critique'' to the excesses commited by one branch of feminism. [[The Red Pill]] is a documentary about men's issues that feminists claim that do not exist: as mentioned in the [[Antifeminism]] article, antifeminists do think that feminists indeed ignore men's issues and claim that men only have "privileges".
I saw that [[Sang de boeuf glaze]] had made it to the main page today as a DYK, and was admittedly somewhat confused, as I thought "Why'd they name a page after 'ol Wikipedia user Sangdeboeuf?" Regardless, made me chuckle and think of you :) <small>I think it would be very fitting if you were to help take it to GA status...</small> [[User:CaptainEek|<span style="color:#6a1f7f">'''Captain Eek'''</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:CaptainEek|<span style="font-size:82%"><span style="color:#a479e5">''Edits Ho Cap'n!''</span></span>]]</sup>[[Special:Contributions/CaptainEek|⚓]] 18:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)
:LOL. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 21:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)


The cherry of the cake is that I sorted those references in alphabetical order, but your revert also undid this.<span style="color:#21A9EB;">►</span><span class="plainlinks">[{{SERVER}}{{localurl:User talk:Sampayu}}<span style="color:#180278;">Sampayu</span>]</span> 04:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
== Please comment on [[Talk:Sarah_Jeong]] ==
I see thar you have weighed in on the Twitter issue in the past. IS JBL always this condescending and dismissive? Or am I experiencing the unwantedness of a super tight club that feels superior to others? [[User:Rsarlls|Rsarlls]] ([[User talk:Rsarlls|talk]]) 21:15, 29 September 2019 (UTC)
: You are experiencing that you raised a stupid argument in an assholish way. --[[User:Joel B. Lewis|JBL]] ([[User_talk:Joel_B._Lewis|talk]]) 21:34, 29 September 2019 (UTC)


:The sources you linked to are antifeminist propaganda, not {{tq|content about antifeminism}}. ''[[Who Stole Feminism?]]'' has been heavily critiqued for decades in this regard. As {{noping|Beyond My Ken}} stated to you at [[Talk:Feminazi]], your declared stance as an "antifeminist" makes your own edits appear [[WP:TENDENTIOUS]]. Wikipedia is not a [[WP:SOAPBOX]] for you to disseminate your personal opinions from. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)
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== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
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==Riley Reid==
Wanted to let you know that I reverted the last changes to the article because interviews are not completely disqualified from biographies. They should just be viewed with a healthy dose of skepticism. [[User:Morbidthoughts|Morbidthoughts]] ([[User talk:Morbidthoughts|talk]]) 08:04, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
: Thanks, but [https://interviews.adultdvdtalk.com/being-riley-reid/ Adult DVD Talk] is a self-published source by one "Captain Jack", not a reliable independent source ''or'' Reid's own work. –[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 08:07, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
::It's not self-published. Captain Jack works for ADT but his work is overseen by the publisher/owner or whatever. If you are arguing that ADT is just not reliable, then that's a different argument that I understand. I generally view statements in interviews under [[WP:INTERVIEW]] even though it is not official policy. [[User:Morbidthoughts|Morbidthoughts]] ([[User talk:Morbidthoughts|talk]]) 08:14, 29 November 2019 (UTC)
:::Yes, that's what I'm saying. ADT is a [[WP:BLOGS|group blog]] and not reliable. See explanation at [[WP:PORN#Self-published]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 08:19, 29 November 2019 (UTC)


== Alejandro/Social Media ==
== A beer for you! ==


As has been pointed out, the social media segment of Alejandra Canadellos page has already been discussed two times so far, and neither time has there been a clear consensus reached on removing that info. The same excuses don’t hold water and it’s blatantly obvious now that it’s partisan left wing supporters of hers simply trying to remove any and all negative info, essentially turning her page into an endorsement of her.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view [[User:Digital Herodotus|Digital Herodotus]] ([[User talk:Digital Herodotus|talk]]) 12:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)
== Redirects at WP:DAILYMAIL and WP:Dailymail ==
:You're wrong about what consensus is required; see [[WP:ONUS]]. Personal [[WP:PA|attacks]] may work on 4chan and Reddit, but they won't help you here. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 13:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)


== [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naarter]] ==
In this [[WP:RFD|RfD]]:<br>
:[[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2018 December 26#Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL]]<br>
The consensus of the Wikipedia community was to redirect<br>
:[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Dailymail&redirect=no Wikipedia:Dailymail] and [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:DAILYMAIL&redirect=no Wikipedia:Dailymail]<br>
to<br>
:[[Wikipedia:Reliable sources/Noticeboard/Archive 220#Daily Mail RfC]]<br>


I thought the same thing when I saw the edits. Thanks for your action. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 23:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)
In these edits[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADailymail&type=revision&diff=931956000&oldid=877805221][https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3ADAILYMAIL&type=revision&diff=931956300&oldid=905213714] you changed the redirect to<br>
:[[Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources/Perennial sources#Daily Mail]]<br>
going against the consensus in the [[WP:RFD|RfD]]. Please don't do that.<br>


It is known and it is not debated that Nina Hartley is a feminist. There are countless sources on her role in the feminist sex wars and she is listed in an article about sex positive feminism and her book sales have probably made more money than your yearly salary several times over. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Moderateasneeded|Moderateasneeded]] ([[User talk:Moderateasneeded#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moderateasneeded|contribs]]) 00:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
The many editors who have used this redirect (see the "what links here" page for each redirect) have pretty much all attempted to send readers at the Daily Mail RfC, not the perennial sources page (they tend to use WP:RSP when they want to send readers to that page) Many editors have written things like<br>
I don't watch porn and the first time I heard about Nina Hartley was in college when I was required to read her content. I still don't watch porn so I only know about her from her public appearances, talks and the book she has written. We know she is a porn star but she is more than that when you compare her to other people in the industry with respect to her other publicly know life interest. I don't know why you are so passionate about this lol... <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Moderateasneeded|Moderateasneeded]] ([[User talk:Moderateasneeded#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Moderateasneeded|contribs]]) 00:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:''"per [[WP:DAILYMAIL]], we don't consider that a reliable source."''<br>
or
:''"Daily Mail is not a RS as per [[WP:DAILYMAIL]]"''<br>
-- clearly wishing the reader to go to the page where it was decided, not to an [[WP:SUPPLEMENTAL|explanatory supplement]].


:What is {{tq|known}} is beside the point; Wikipedia requires [[WP:SOURCE|independent, reliable sources]]. A person's income or life interest(s) are not inherently noteworthy or [[WP:DUE]]. What are the {{tq|countless sources on her role in the feminist sex wars}} (lol)? —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 02:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)
Please abide by the decision of the community and refrain from changing the redirects at [[:WP:DAILYMAIL]] and [[:WP:Dailymail]].


== Digital Herodotus ==
You are free to post a new [[WP:RFD|RfD]] if you think the community made the wrong decision. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 17:15, 22 December 2019 (UTC)


:My mistake; I didn't see that [[WP:RFD|RfD]] until after I made the edits. Your comments on the issue make sense to me. Thank you. [[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 02:43, 23 December 2019 (UTC)
Can’t do it tonight but I think it’s ANI time. I may do it tomorrow. I’d block but am involved. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 18:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)


:Already there. They took HandThatFeeds to ANI. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 20:19, 23 January 2023 (UTC)
== Sangdeboeuf-public ==


== January 2023 ==
Please confirm as to whether or not {{contribs|Sangdeboeuf-public|Sangdeboeuf-public}} was indeed created by you. I have hard blocked it in the meantime as you have made no edits to the account's userpage nor listed it on your userpage nor did you create it while logged in through [[Special:CreateAccount]]. If it is you, I will happily unblock. Also, if this was you, please understand that this is done in order to protect you from impersonation. No ill intent is intended. Best, [[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 04:08, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|TheSandDoctor}} Thanks for being vigilant. Yes, the account belongs to me, for editing while [[WP:VALIDALT|using a public computer]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 07:03, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
::You're welcome! I've unblocked the account and removed my notice, linking to your response as confirmation. Would you like (extended?) confirmed on the alt or are you wanting to get those "organically" with it? (I am honestly fine with granting or leaving, it's your call.) My one suggestion for the future would be to create any alt accounts whilst logged in so that it shows in the logs (and/or place the valid alt template with this account). Otherwise, the likelihood of them being blocked as impersonations (until cleared up) is high. If you need anything, just give a shout {{smiley}} --[[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 08:28, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
:::{{re|TheSandDoctor}} Good advice; I didn't know one could create additional accounts while logged in. Since you mention it, [[WP:XC|extended-confirmed]] access on the second account would be very useful. Thanks again. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 09:05, 5 January 2020 (UTC)
::::You're welcome! Glad I could be of assistance. Yes, you can create accounts any time by going to [[Special:CreateAccount]] while logged in. Also {{done}}. I also threw confirmed on there for 3 months. --[[User:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#FF9933; font-weight:bold; font-family:monotype;">The</span><span style="color:#009933; font-weight:bold;">SandDoctor</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:TheSandDoctor|<span style="color:#009933;">Talk</span>]]</sup> 09:42, 5 January 2020 (UTC)


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== Re: “Why?” ==


== Recent revert ==
[[Special:Diff/937272296|You asked why]]. Because the title of an article is not a metalinguistic use of a term, so the use–mention distinction does not apply *to it* (and it’s not a foreign word either). The use of italics in the rest of the article are correct—it’s only italicized when warranted, and not in every instance. —[[User:Born2bgratis|Born2bgratis]] ([[User talk:Born2bgratis|talk]]) 07:31, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
:{{tq|Because the title of an article is not a metalinguistic use of a term...}} Correct. It's not a ''use'' of the term in this case at all, but a ''mention'' of the term. The term itself is the subject of the article, whether or not it's always italicized in the text. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 13:35, 24 January 2020 (UTC)
::You know what I meant by ''metalinguistic use'' (it is equivalent to ''mention''). We don’t italicize the title of the article Donald Trump even though {{tq|[t]he term itself is the subject of the article}} [[User:Born2bgratis|Born2bgratis]] ([[User talk:Born2bgratis|talk]]) 07:11, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
::: Incorrect. The subject of that article is the person, not the name or the term. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 15:34, 25 January 2020 (UTC)
:::: I am not incorrect. I will let another volunteer edit-war with you, whatever. [[User:Born2bgratis|Born2bgratis]] ([[User talk:Born2bgratis|talk]]) 17:20, 27 February 2020 (UTC)


I cited Tory Lane's social media account. Why do you claim that's a poor source? Also, please view my revert/edit summary on Jenna Haze article. [[User:IPIPIPIP|IPIPIPIP]] ([[User talk:IPIPIPIP|talk]]) 05:08, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
== My apologies ==


:A tweet by the subject saying "happy birthday 2 me" is not sufficient to establish the birth date of a living person. Different sources should not be combined to extrapolate the date of birth. This would be original research. Thank you. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
Regarding religious views, I mistook the nominator and wasn't directed to you. I will edit my input. Sorry [[User:EricAhlqvistScott|EricAhlqvistScott]] ([[User talk:EricAhlqvistScott|talk]]) 19:53, 3 February 2020 (UTC)
:No problem, thanks. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 03:24, 4 February 2020 (UTC)
:[[WP:N|Notability]] is different than verifiability -- not all verifiable info needs to be included per [[WP:ONUS]]. If the subject is borderline notable, it's fine to [[WP:DOB|just list the birth year]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


::Regarding Jenna Haze, the difference between notability and verifiablity is noted. And the basis for you disputing the inclusion of her full DOB is per borderline notability despite the citation itself literally being the subject '''themselves''' publicly disclosing that info. It's not merely an isolated third-party source independent of the subject whereby it can possibly be inferred that the subject ''may'' object to the inclusion of the info and therefore we need to consider supposedly "erring on the side of caution." If no other justification exists to dispute its inclusion, have I not met the onus? [[User:IPIPIPIP|IPIPIPIP]] ([[User talk:IPIPIPIP|talk]]) 05:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
== White Hispanic and Latino Americans ==
:::As I already stated, notability is different than verifiability. If the subject is {{em|borderline notable}} as determined by [[WP:SIGCOV|coverage in independent reliable sources]], it's fine to just list the birth year. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:33, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
::::Yes, it's fine to just list the birth year in order to err on the side of caution in case the borderline notable person objects to its inclusion. This is clearly not the case here with Jenna Haze since the citation itself IS her publicaly disclosing that information. If you still object, I suggest we solicit third-party opinions from other editors on the article talkpage or elsewhere in order to reach a consensus. [[User:IPIPIPIP|IPIPIPIP]] ([[User talk:IPIPIPIP|talk]]) 05:50, 29 January 2023 (UTC)
:::::The {{em|information}} may be verifiable, but the {{em|person}} is borderline notable. Notability applies to the subject themselves, not just a given piece of information. Once again, if the subject is borderline notable as determined by coverage in independent reliable sources, it's fine to just list the birth year, whether they object or not. See [[WP:BLPPRIVACY]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)


== MOS:REFPUNCT ==
The celebrities described in the pictures all were of majority-European descent, and would be classified as "white" under the census or any other government/official agency. I don't understand why all the pictures were deleted; they were constructive examples of white Hispanics who correct a common misunderstanding amongst non-Hispanic whites that all Hispanics, regardless of race, have the same complexion. [[User:Blacklister3000|Blacklister3000]] ([[User talk:Blacklister3000|talk]]) 02:01, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
: Great, provide a [[WP:V|published source]] saying so {{strike|and I'll restore the images myself}}. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 02:04, 27 February 2020 (UTC)
:: Scratch that; the community consensus per [[WP:ETHNICGALLERY]] is to avoid this kind of collection of images. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 20:49, 28 February 2020 (UTC)


I learned something new today. Thanks! - [[User:UtherSRG|UtherSRG]] [[User_talk:UtherSRG|(talk)]] 12:54, 19 April 2023 (UTC)
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Hi, I am a new user and hope it is ok to reach out here to ask about a recent action you took.
==French frigate Piemontaise==
Hi Sangdeboeuf, Why did you remove the date from the title? 1) It was doing no harm. 2) The launch year date helps situate the vessel in time, not just disambiguate it. 3) If there is another French frigate ''Piemontaise'' somebody is eventually going to have to disambiguate it and reverse your change. 4) I can't see how removing correct information makes an encyclopedia better. Cheers, [[User:Acad Ronin|Acad Ronin]] ([[User talk:Acad Ronin|talk]]) 12:58, 12 March 2020 (UTC)
:{{re|Acad Ronin}} Then why not just call it {{xt|[[French 40-gun Consolante-class frigate Piémontaise (1804)|French 40-gun ''Consolante''-class frigate ''Piémontaise'' (1804)]]}}? Would it do any harm? Article titles should ideally be only as [[WP:PRECISE]] as needed to identify the topic, and no more than that. Only the name is really needed here; compare with ''{{xt|[[Queen Elizabeth 2]]}}''. If there is eventually another French frigate ''[[Piémontaise]]'', somebody can disambiguate it then. I'd be happy to do it myself, in fact. The information hasn't been removed from the encyclopedia, because the article still gives the launch date. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 14:40, 12 March 2020 (UTC)


You marked a link on the [[Pearl Mackie]] page as "Unfit" (it was for the Gay Times article, currently ref. 19)
==Close==
Hello. Please have another look at [[Don Quixote (Teno)]], which you've just relisted after many weeks of discussion. The bottom of the discussion shows a consensus formed for [[Don Quixote (Kennedy Center sculpture)]]. Thanks. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 19:23, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
: You may be right. I only saw that the RM was backlogged. Since discussion is ongoing, I'll wait to see if {{u|Another Believer}} or anyone else responds to your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Don_Quixote_(Teno)&diff=948737233&oldid=948734870 recent comment]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 19:36, 2 April 2020 (UTC)
::Thanks. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 19:38, 2 April 2020 (UTC)


I was reading about unfit urls, but I find it a bit confusing. Would you mind explaining why it was used here? I'd like to know when to use it myself.
== April 2020 ==
[[File:Ambox warning pn.svg|30px|link=]] You currently appear to be engaged in an [[WP:Edit warring|edit war]]&#32; according to the reverts you have made on [[:Pilferage]]; that means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be, when you have seen that other editors disagree. Users are expected to [[Wikipedia:Consensus#In talk pages|collaborate]] with others, to avoid editing [[WP:Disruptive editing|disruptively]], and to [[WP:Consensus|try to reach a consensus]], rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.


Thanks in advance for your help!
Points to note:
# '''Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;'''
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If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's [[Help:Talk pages|talk page]] to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an [[WP:Noticeboards|appropriate noticeboard]] or seek [[Wikipedia:Dispute resolution|dispute resolution]]. In some cases, it may be appropriate to [[WP:Requests for page protection|request temporary page protection]]. If you engage in an edit war, you '''may be [[WP:Blocking policy|blocked]] from editing.'''<!-- Template:uw-ew --> – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 20:50, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
:Sorry for using a template message. If you believe the article should be reverted back to being a redirect to [[Theft]], then fine. But if it's going to be a dab page, then the burden is on you to gain consensus for your changes. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 20:51, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
:: Take it to [[WP:AN3]] if you like. I'm not sure you'll be able to convince the admins that your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Pilferage&diff=951091800&oldid=942932539 bold edit] represents the consensus version. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 20:57, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
:::Sorry for this message, there probably wasn't a need – it was simply born out of a momentary annoyance. I regret getting annoyed. But I guess you must be aware that people might get annoyed if you revert them again and again, and they can get even more annoyed if you go about doing it as if you're enforcing some fundamental policy. This is not a question of policy. It's not a question of guidelines. It's not about the manual of style versus something else, it's about your own application of the manual of style versus another editor's interpretation of the very same manual of style. I hope you see my point. – [[User talk:Uanfala|Uanfala (talk)]] 21:08, 18 April 2020 (UTC)
:::: It's not clear how one would interpret [[MOS:DABMENTION|"If the topic is not mentioned on the other article, that article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page"]] as meaning anything other than that the article should not be linked to in the disambiguation page. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 01:28, 19 April 2020 (UTC)


[[User:QuiteBearish|QuiteBearish]] ([[User talk:QuiteBearish|talk]]) 23:17, 29 April 2023 (UTC)
== Hello ==


:{{re|QuiteBearish}} the current version of the [https://www.gaytimes.co.uk/community/137920/doctor-who-star-pearl-mackie-comes-out-as-bisexual/ ''Gay Times'' article] doesn't list the date of publication. If we're going to have the date in a footnote, then I don't think we should use this as the primary link. Marking the URL status as "unfit" hides the link so that readers are sent to the archived version with the date. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 00:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)
You thanked me for an edit to simp. What's an thank mean in wikipedia? Like does it mean anything? [[User:New3400|New3400]] ([[User talk:New3400|talk]]) 18:56, 24 April 2020 (UTC)
:Yep, it means "thank you" :) —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 22:15, 24 April 2020 (UTC)


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== Turkmenistanis ==


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You're doing manipulative edits. First you redirect [[Turkmenistani]] to [[Turkmenistan]], then you put Turkmenistanis in bold in article [[Turkmenistan]]. What's this about? [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 12:17, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
: I'm sorry, what's your objection exactly? As I explained in my edit summaries, ''Turkmenistani'' is the term used to refer to the country and its people, according to an [[WP:SOURCES|independent, published source]], namely [https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/tx.html ''The World Factbook'']. It's in bold because that's what [[MOS:BOLDREDIRECT]] suggests. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 12:24, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
:: And? You should redirect it to [[Turkmens]] not [[Turkmenistan]]. That's not how Wikpedia works. Are you going to do the same with all other countries? [[User:Beshogur|Beshogur]] ([[User talk:Beshogur|talk]]) 12:25, 18 May 2020 (UTC)
::: And how ''does'' Wikipedia work, please? {{xt|[[Turkmens]]}} states, {{tq|Big communities have traditionally lived in neighboring Iran, Afghanistan and sizeable groups of Turkmens are found also in Uzbekistan, Kazakhstan and the North Caucasus (Stavropol Krai).}} Those are Turkmens, not ''Turkmenistanis''. The latter are citizens of [[Turkmenistan]], and may be Turkmens or some other ethnicity. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 12:31, 18 May 2020 (UTC)


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== Turkmenistan ==


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I've answered on my talkpage, but I will also leave the answer here. I removed that part because there is only some article with a name, but not a single document was provided. Going by this article, the name "Republic of Turkmenistan" existed after independence in 1991 and according to the UN, starting from 1992 it was already just Turkmenistan. If you think we should go into this much details about it, I will correct that part accordingly, but I also remind you that we don't have a document that would prove the name from 1991 to 1992, and such a document would be a declaration of independence which was adopted AFTER the referendum. I was able to find only the 1990 declaration - https://www.gorby.ru/userfiles/turkmenistan.pdf but it still uses the old Soviet name and was adopted before the referendum. [[User:Faust-RSI|Faust-RSI]] ([[User talk:Faust-RSI|talk]]) 19:42, 24 May 2020 (UTC)


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== Greetings ==


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I don't use multiple accounts. Occasionally I forget to sign in and edit with IPs. Which is the edition you suspect? --[[User:ExperiencedArticleFixer|ExperiencedArticleFixer]] ([[User talk:ExperiencedArticleFixer|talk]]) 10:17, 12 June 2020 (UTC)


== Feedback request: Biographies request for comment ==
== Reverse Racism ==


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Are you responsible for getting my remarks on reverse racism removed? If so, please explain '''why'''.


== SPLC ==
I said absolutely nothing unreasonable, and I imagine my remarks were removed because you personally didn't "like" them because they didn't agree with your stance on the subject. This is '''not''' the way Wikipedia's talk pages are supposed to work, nor are they your personal "province" to police as you see fit.
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I appreciate the copywriting instead of just reverting, can you help me understand why we'd include the SPLC's POV instead of just their numbers?


Trying to act in good faith, but I don't understand why I'm taking hits on bias and pov, when the sources themselves contain bias and pov? [[User:Unwokengarvey|Unwokengarvey]] ([[User talk:Unwokengarvey|talk]]) 03:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
I '''strongly''' object to the assertion that my remarks were "vandalism". They were valid, and I would be grateful if you world restore them as soon as possible.
[[Special:Contributions/86.14.40.196|86.14.40.196]] ([[User talk:86.14.40.196|talk]]) 11:05, 13 June 2020 (UTC)
: Your [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Talk:Reverse_racism&diff=prev&oldid=962158241 comment] was a [[WP:NPA|personal attack]] and contained no discussion of article improvements. For more information, see [[Wikipedia:Talk page guidelines]]. Thank you. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 21:33, 13 June 2020 (UTC)


:Wikipedia is not an [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE|indiscriminate collection of statistics]]. We strive to put data in context according to reliable sources, and the SPLC is considered a reliable source on hate groups ([[WP:SPLC]]). Reliable sources are not required to be unbiased ([[WP:BIASED]]). Neutrality on Wikipedia is about summarizing sources accurately and fairly, without ''editorial'' bias ([[WP:NPOV]]). You introduced bias when you selectively cited certain details out of context.{{pb}}Why would you include the fact that the SPLC used the term "[[black separatism]]" to categorize hate groups, without stating their rationale for no longer doing so? Your edits so far indicate a desire to portray pro-black groups & beliefs as hateful, contrary to what reliable sources state. Even if you believe this is true, Wikipedia is not the place to make this argument. See [[WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)
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Hi. We worked together on the past on [[alligator bait]]. If you're at loose ends at any point, I would love your <s>ruthless red pen</s> input on [[Kingstree jail fire]]. I've also filed a copy edit request but wanted to ping you as well. Thanks for reading, and thanks in advance if there's anything you can do. Cheers. [[User:Jengod|jengod]] ([[User talk:Jengod|talk]]) 17:31, 10 August 2023 (UTC)
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== Discrimination against men ==
Really weird. Fortunately I no longer live in Florida, can't stand the sun and humidity. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 18:39, 25 June 2020 (UTC)
: I feel the same way ;) —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 21:32, 26 June 2020 (UTC)


Hello, following your idea on creating an article for the discrimination against men, I've started working on a draft. Please would you review it or provide feedbacks?
== Internalized Sexism ==
The article is [[Draft:Discrimination against men]]. Thanks! [[User:Panamitsu|Panamitsu]] ([[User talk:Panamitsu|talk]]) 04:27, 19 August 2023 (UTC)


== Nina Hartley ==
You are reverting edits to a clearly sexist and transphobic version of the article. Please accept my corrections to make the article accurately gender neutral. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/73.187.119.233|73.187.119.233]] ([[User talk:73.187.119.233#top|talk]]) 16:32, 28 June 2020 (UTC)</small>
: Please read [[Wikipedia:No original research]]. Thank you. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 18:25, 28 June 2020 (UTC)


As requested I added the citations you men requested in reference to Nina Hartley and her many connections with Feminism. I understand while the world would agree she is a feminist and that title is only given to a select few women of extreme prominence it is a known fact she is a minor figure in the sex positive movement. She has been a minor figure in the sex positive movement for years and also is a major sex-work activist which naturally is seen as a feminist issue. I don't know where we draw the line between dialogue and patriarchal intellectual hegemony on with respect to this page. Please help me understand more and teach me please. [[User:Torah mishna|Torah mishna]] ([[User talk:Torah mishna|talk]]) 12:00, 3 October 2023 (UTC)
== A goat for you! ==
:Sangdeboeuf, I know you have left a message with this editor regarding previous accounts. Please see [[Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Naarter]]. Thank you. [[User:Magnolia677|Magnolia677]] ([[User talk:Magnolia677|talk]]) 21:52, 4 October 2023 (UTC)


== Introducing sfnlink ==
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Hi! Thanks for your valuable contributions so far. Would you mind commenting on [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Base58]]? Everyone would appreciate it.


Hi, Sangdeboeuf,
[[User:Ysangkok|Ysangkok]] ([[User talk:Ysangkok|talk]]) 17:59, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

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We are both members of a probably smallish club of users that are comfortable creating CITEREF-based wikilinks; I've seen your work at various articles, including complex examples such as the "power-user" one at [[Talk:Toxic masculinity#Request to remove "related traits" for WP:NPOV|Talk:Toxic masculinity]] involving a citation from a specific version of an article, [[Talk:Misandry#Merger?|and]] [[Talk:Star Wars: The Last Jedi#Fan backlash|many]] [[Talk:Rebecca Watson#Elevatorgate|more]]. I've often thought it was tedious putting these links together and there had to be a better way. They're probably second nature to you now, but I bet you remember the initial learning curve. Plus, once you have them, they look mysterious in the wikicode to the average editor. At the same time, there ought to be an easier on-ramp for other editors who feel comfortable enough using {{tl|sfn}}, but are too scared off by the intricacies of CITEREF to create links of that nature.
: Thanks, but I haven't contributed to that article at all. My last edit to cryptocurrency-related articles was over nine months ago. Please take a minute to review Wikpedia's [[WP:CANVASS|policy on canvassing]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 20:55, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

::Hello, I have received the policy as you requested, and I cannot fathom how you could think I am in violation of said policy. The comments are neutrally formulated (not coercing you into taking any particular stance), and I write you because you have previously commented on these matters, which is an expression of interest. See [[User_talk:Guy_Macon]]. --[[User:Ysangkok|Ysangkok]] ([[User talk:Ysangkok|talk]]) 15:34, 2 July 2020 (UTC)
I finally decided to do something about it, and the result is {{tl|sfnlink}} (alias: citelink).
Here's one example; this code, adapted from a Talk page comment of yours at [[Talk:Rebecca Watson#Elevatorgate|Talk:Rebecca Watson]], and recast to use {{tl|sfnlink}}, will look familiar:
* <code style="font-size:95%"><nowiki>Sources such as {{sfnlink|LeDrew|2016|p=198|rev=990826574}}) and {{sfnlink|Meagher|2018|p=101|rev=990826574}} do suggest the reaction was overblown</nowiki></code> ⟶ Sources such as {{sfnlink|LeDrew|2016|p=198|rev=990826574}}) and {{sfnlink|Meagher|2018|p=101|rev=990826574}} do suggest the reaction was overblown
Sfnlink is configurable in several ways beyond this; you can find details at the template. I haven't advertised it yet, and I've come to a stopping point in development, so I thought I'd ask for your feedback before I do. Let me know what you think. Cheers, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 10:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)

:Looks great, thanks! I discovered [[WP:CITEREF]] anchors by just copying and pasting from the [[address bar]] of the article. The template looks much more logical and streamlined. I like the different options for linking to a named page as well as a numbered revision. What happens if neither the revision nor article are specified? —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 21:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:: I did too, and started to reverse-engineer it, like you obviously did, too. Params rev and article are optional, and when neither is specified, it creates a link to the same page as the template (like sfn or harv). If you add the template to a mainspace article, it tries to link the full citation, hopefully found in "References" (or "Works cited", etc.); if the template is on a Talk page, it'll look for something resolved by a {{tl|reflist-talk}} on the Talk page. For the link-to-same-page case, template {{tl|harv}} is an almost equivalent option, although you can't change the link text in that one. Feel free to adjust the doc, if you think this needs to be clearer, or I could.
:: By the way, I did a bit of research before I started, and afaict, you're one of the major power users of #CITEREF, at least recently, assuming advanced search gives unbiased results. I'm hoping this template will make it easier for the power users, and make it possible for casual users where previously it was out of reach for them.
:: One other thing; I've been considering a change of name; feel free to opine at [[Template talk:Sfnlink#Title]] about that (or anything else). Cheers, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 22:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)
:::{{re|Mathglot}} is it possible to suppress the parentheses around the date for [[WP:PAREN|Harvard-style referencing]] on talk pages etc.? —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 22:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::: Not currently, but that would be an easy change. I'm trying to think of the best way to handle it to keep it simple for users who like it one way, or the other. Maybe a new sfnlink param {{para|nb|yes}} would suppress parentheses, and then we could then easily create a wrapper template {{tl|sfnlinknb}} which would invoke sfnlink with the param, so you could code either {{tlc|sfnlink|nb{{=}}yes|other params}} or {{tlc|sfnlinknb|other params}} and get the same result; how does that sound? So, to make sure I understand: the new output would be exactly as it is now, except no parens, so there would be one space following the name, and YYYY would follow the space; is that right? [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 23:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::Pretty much, yes. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 23:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::: It's in the sandbox, but untested and I have to run. If you want, you can try it out by coding {{tlc|sfnlink/sandbox|nb{{=}}yes|other params...}} and see if it does what you want. (You don't have to put 'yes', you can put 'y', or '1', or 'true', or even 'no' and it will do the same thing.) Lmk if you find anything; also, it might not work at all. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 23:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)
:::::: Okay, its working live, now: {{tlg|sfnlink|Meagher|2018|article{{=}}Rebecca Watson|nb{{=}}y|code=yes|_show_result=yes}}. I don't have the wrapper {{tl|sfnlinknb}} yet, but I'll get to it eventually, and in the meantime, it should work with the 'nb' param. The template doc page should answer any questions. [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 05:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)
::::::: I created the wrapper, so you should be able to use {{tl|sfnlinknb}}, now, and not have to code {{para|nb|yes}} anymore. I tagged it as beta until we have sufficient usage of it. In the meantime, please add any bugs or comments to its Talk page. Hope you find it useful! [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 22:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)

And to round out this thread, here's a link to {{tl|Remoteref}}, which has a function similar to that of {{tl|sfnlink}} of being able to link to any citation with a CITEREF-based anchor, but links it via a numeric superscript tag, just like a regular footnote or {{tl|citeref}} does. Unlike citeref, it works from any page, like this.{{remoteref|Meagher|2018|article=Rebecca Watson}} This completes my activity with these templates, at least for now. Bug reports, enhancement proposals, and feedback always welcome at [[Template talk:Sfnlink]]. Thanks, [[User:Mathglot|Mathglot]] ([[User talk:Mathglot|talk]]) 02:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)

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== IAFD ==
I came across your proactive contribution to [[Internalized sexism]]. Recently I have initiated a new article @ [[Draft:Sexual politics]] and I am looking for some proactive support in updating and expansion of the article. Please do help in update and expansion if topic [[Draft:Sexual politics]] would interest you.


Is IAFD a reliable/appropriate source with regards to citing how many films a performer has appeared in? [[User:IPIPIPIP|IPIPIPIP]] ([[User talk:IPIPIPIP|talk]]) 21:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)


:In my opinion, no. [[IAFD]] is still [[WP:USERGEN|user-generated content]] regardless of whether it's personal info or filmography. At the very least citing user-created databases lend [[WP:WEIGHT|undue weight]] to such trivia. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 17:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)
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== Uschi Digard ==


Hi Sangdeboeuf, It would be helpful to know which bits you find problematic. There are only one or two sentences that aren't sourced and/or wikilinked. If they are the problem, I will be happy to delete them. [[User:Utilisateur19911|Utilisateur19911]] ([[User talk:Utilisateur19911|talk]]) 14:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)
[[User:Bookku|Bookku]] ([[User talk:Bookku|talk]]) 09:45, 8 July 2020 (UTC)
:Hello again, I have added a few sources, deleted one sentence of OR, and deleted your OR tag. I will add further/stronger sources as I find them. This is now one of the better WP articles on a subject of this type, so if you still feel the need to tag it, a more detailed explanation would be appreciated. I am looking forward to being done with Uschi. Best, [[User:Utilisateur19911|Utilisateur19911]] ([[User talk:Utilisateur19911|talk]]) 17:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)


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Although if you want to, see [[Template:Contentious topics/alert/DS]]. Confusing at times. [[User:Doug Weller|<span style="color:#070">Doug Weller</span>]] [[User talk:Doug Weller|talk]] 12:17, 22 January 2024 (UTC)
Please get your Wiki etiquette into balance. Reverting edits and saying "I don't like it is not a reason" is completely out of order when I stated reasons which you did not address. Colin Campbell remains irrelevant but I suppose you added his piece to "For further reading" just ''because''. ''[[Polygon (website)|Polygon]]'' itself has been fraught with problematic issues even after [[Vox Media]] took over. ''Polygon'' recently got rid of Campbell.
Sarkeesian was not that important in the grand scale of things. And I am sorry, I can't provide a reliable source for that. It's just common knowledge. She was popular among a certain set of people with a particular mindset and she was wildly unpopular with other people. But she didn't change the world, not even the gaming world. Cheers, --'''''[[User:SVTCobra|SVT]]'''''[[User talk:SVTCobra|Cobra]] 03:08, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
: Greetings. The other reasons you gave were "this was due to greater societal changes", which you didn't substantiate in any way, and that the material was "in the wrong part [of] the article".[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Anita_Sarkeesian&diff=968559373&oldid=968558101] Well, if that were true, you could have moved it to a better part of the article. But the comment about "hero worshipping" is what gave the game away. Whether you or I have a positive opinion about Sarkeesian's work is irrelevant. As for Campbell's departure from Vox Media, his was apparently one of many layoffs due to the effects of COVID-19.[https://www.cnn.com/2020/07/16/media/vox-media-layoffs/index.html] Any issues with the source itself can be raised at [[WP:RS/N]]. Cheers! —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf#top|talk]]) 04:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)
::This is also a problem at [[Toxic masculinity]], which is subject to Gamergate sanctions and where Sangdeboeuf and another user appear to have been edit warring in May and July (see article history). My first edit to this page was followed by a confrontational post on my talk page and a prompt reversion.[https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Wikieditor19920&diff=prev&oldid=969796567&diffmode=source] Please consider that other editors may have valuable perspectives, too. Repeatedly and immediately reverting multiple other editors should be reserved for blatant policy violations, not highly subjective disagreements about nuances over policy. [[User:Wikieditor19920|Wikieditor19920]] ([[User talk:Wikieditor19920|talk]]) 17:06, 29 July 2020 (UTC)


:Got it, thanks. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 05:51, 23 January 2024 (UTC)
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Hi Sangdebouef, responding to talk messages. Your threshold for what constitutes {{tq|it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public}} ([[WP:DOB]]) is obviously stricter than mine. Our past [[Talk:Mia_Khalifa#Birthday_again|no consensus discussion]] concerned the clearness of phrasing in [[WP:ABOUTSELF]] DOB sources in this topic area. In good faith, I'm asking you to unrevert [[special:diff/1209064473|here]] and [[special:diff/1209064249|here]], where the subjects really do say {{tq|"today is my X birthday" {{underline|or similar}}}} (one says she turned 37 yesterday, another that she turns 50 tomorrow, and other posts affirm the respective dates). Thanks. [[User:Hameltion|Hameltion]] ([[User talk:Hameltion|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hameltion|contribs]]) 04:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

:Posts like {{diff2|1209063454|"307 is a good number, on the day I turned 37, no less"}}, {{diff2|1209061033|"Last day in my 40s"}}, and {{diff2|1209061033|"I'm turning 50 an YOU are invited!"}} are not explicit regarding the actual date of birth. As I said earlier, {{tq|Something along the lines of "today is my [xx] birthday"}} would be something like "It's my [xx] birthday today" or "I'm [xx] years old today". The cited [[WP:ABOUTSELF]] sources are more vague than this. Combining these with {{tq|other posts}} would be [[WP:OR]]. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 17:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
::Of course I understand the sensitivity in this topic area and thank you for patrolling BLP violations in general. I wouldn't ask you to undo your reverts if these sources didn't appear to be explicit about DOBs. Referring to 2023-06-15 as "the day I turned 37" and identifying 2019-10-07 as the "Last day in my 40s" are in the same spirit as "today is my [xx] birthday". They're not {{tq|vague}} when there's no other way to read them {{small|(is there?)}}. {{tq|Other posts}} aren't used for synthesis, only as evidence of clear declarations of their birthdays (so that {{tq|it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object}} per WP:DOB). I'll leave you with that and understand if you're not persuaded. Please refrain from sending me templates in the future. [[User:Hameltion|Hameltion]] ([[User talk:Hameltion|talk]] &#124; [[Special:Contributions/Hameltion|contribs]]) 18:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)
:::That's not what the sources say, though. An {{em|explicit}} reference would be something like "{{em|today}} is the day I turned 37". The sources don't actually identify the day in question. Regardless of how you or I read the intent of these posts, [[WP:V]] requires that sources {{em|directly}} support the given material. —[[User:Sangdeboeuf|Sangdeboeuf]] ([[User talk:Sangdeboeuf|talk]]) 18:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)


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Whats in a name?

I saw that Sang de boeuf glaze had made it to the main page today as a DYK, and was admittedly somewhat confused, as I thought "Why'd they name a page after 'ol Wikipedia user Sangdeboeuf?" Regardless, made me chuckle and think of you :) I think it would be very fitting if you were to help take it to GA status... Captain Eek Edits Ho Cap'n!⚓ 18:02, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

LOL. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:42, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Woke

Thanks for the notification of the woke article. Espngeek (talk) 00:25, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

How can anybody say that saying that melanin people are superior than the white race as racism when melanin people have been hearing that same notion from white people all our lives. We as melanin people are very special beings and scientists have also acknowledged that without a doubt and have been puzzled trying to figure out our DNA going back so long ago so having a opinion is your right but let's speak facts and science our DNA is very different and our genes are very special in all aspects without a doubt there is something special about us and scientists and the government knows this and bee trying to study us to try to figure us out and that's why history is a lie and everything that everyone has been taught in school is all a lie and finally the truth is starting to come out about how superior we are just think about it why is every Egyptian statue nose have bee tampered with or most of the statues have been reconstructed claiming because of damage smh yea ok so not true we have been around as kings and queens from the beginning and all of the deities and God's look like no other but us beautiful in every shade shape and height so please wipe all what you have learned and do your research the correct way and you will see us In another light ASE' Tamekab1234 (talk) 21:44, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Is Jezebel considered a "quality source" for a reference for mentioning "The 21 Convention" in the Manosphere article? Curious. Thank you. Related: Jezebel article Chicago Smooth (talk) Chicago Smooth (talk) 22:43, 25 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Doubtful; see WP:JEZEBEL. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 03:12, 29 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Regarding this edit summary. How is "meaning that the Player Queen's protestations of love and fidelity are too excessive to be believed" ironic? Kire1975 (talk) 11:44, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The cited source says so: "an observation, ironically spoken by Gertrude, on the overacting of the grieving Player Queen in the play-within-the-play in Hamlet". If you doubt the source's reliability, feel free to take it to the talk page. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 11:50, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That source doesn't say "meaning that the Player Queen's protestations of love and fidelity are too excessive to be believed". Even if it did, that's a literal not ironic definition. Alanis Morrisette said rain on your wedding day is ironic. It doesn't make it so. Kire1975 (talk) 12:18, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fine. Ignore my previous comment. We still go by what RSes say, and this one says the usage is ironic. --Sangdeboeuf (talk) 12:22, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
This one says it's ironic, but it doesn't clarify why it's ironic. It's a WP:REDFLAG, at best: Any exceptional claim requires multiple high-quality sources. Kire1975 (talk) 12:40, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I noticed that you removed the date of birth identified by the subject at Adriana Chechik. Per WP:TWITTER, it is acceptable to use a tweet by the article subject for unextraordinary facts, for which a birth date certainly qualifies. In this case, the subject's claimed date of birth is consistent with the age of the subject reported in various reliable sources stating her age. Please restore this information and citation. Cheers! BD2412 T 23:13, 30 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Nonsense

This is nonsensical revert. A page about antifeminism has to cite content about antifeminism. "A Voice for Men" is an antifeminist site. Was it not relevant, it wouldn't have its own article. The removal of "Who Stole Feminism?" is even worse because it's a book written by a feminist (Christina Hoff Sommers), i.e. it's not even entirely anti-feminist per se but a critique to the excesses commited by one branch of feminism. The Red Pill is a documentary about men's issues that feminists claim that do not exist: as mentioned in the Antifeminism article, antifeminists do think that feminists indeed ignore men's issues and claim that men only have "privileges".

The cherry of the cake is that I sorted those references in alphabetical order, but your revert also undid this.Sampayu 04:50, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sources you linked to are antifeminist propaganda, not content about antifeminism. Who Stole Feminism? has been heavily critiqued for decades in this regard. As Beyond My Ken stated to you at Talk:Feminazi, your declared stance as an "antifeminist" makes your own edits appear WP:TENDENTIOUS. Wikipedia is not a WP:SOAPBOX for you to disseminate your personal opinions from. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:23, 14 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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Alejandro/Social Media

As has been pointed out, the social media segment of Alejandra Canadellos page has already been discussed two times so far, and neither time has there been a clear consensus reached on removing that info. The same excuses don’t hold water and it’s blatantly obvious now that it’s partisan left wing supporters of hers simply trying to remove any and all negative info, essentially turning her page into an endorsement of her.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Neutral_point_of_view Digital Herodotus (talk) 12:52, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

You're wrong about what consensus is required; see WP:ONUS. Personal attacks may work on 4chan and Reddit, but they won't help you here. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 13:17, 11 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I thought the same thing when I saw the edits. Thanks for your action. Magnolia677 (talk) 23:53, 12 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

It is known and it is not debated that Nina Hartley is a feminist. There are countless sources on her role in the feminist sex wars and she is listed in an article about sex positive feminism and her book sales have probably made more money than your yearly salary several times over. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moderateasneeded (talk • contribs) 00:20, 13 January 2023 (UTC) I don't watch porn and the first time I heard about Nina Hartley was in college when I was required to read her content. I still don't watch porn so I only know about her from her public appearances, talks and the book she has written. We know she is a porn star but she is more than that when you compare her to other people in the industry with respect to her other publicly know life interest. I don't know why you are so passionate about this lol... — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moderateasneeded (talk • contribs) 00:26, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

What is known is beside the point; Wikipedia requires independent, reliable sources. A person's income or life interest(s) are not inherently noteworthy or WP:DUE. What are the countless sources on her role in the feminist sex wars (lol)? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 02:06, 13 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Can’t do it tonight but I think it’s ANI time. I may do it tomorrow. I’d block but am involved. Doug Weller talk 18:46, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Already there. They took HandThatFeeds to ANI. Doug Weller talk 20:19, 23 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I cited Tory Lane's social media account. Why do you claim that's a poor source? Also, please view my revert/edit summary on Jenna Haze article. IPIPIPIP (talk) 05:08, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

A tweet by the subject saying "happy birthday 2 me" is not sufficient to establish the birth date of a living person. Different sources should not be combined to extrapolate the date of birth. This would be original research. Thank you. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:09, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Notability is different than verifiability -- not all verifiable info needs to be included per WP:ONUS. If the subject is borderline notable, it's fine to just list the birth year. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:16, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Regarding Jenna Haze, the difference between notability and verifiablity is noted. And the basis for you disputing the inclusion of her full DOB is per borderline notability despite the citation itself literally being the subject themselves publicly disclosing that info. It's not merely an isolated third-party source independent of the subject whereby it can possibly be inferred that the subject may object to the inclusion of the info and therefore we need to consider supposedly "erring on the side of caution." If no other justification exists to dispute its inclusion, have I not met the onus? IPIPIPIP (talk) 05:30, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As I already stated, notability is different than verifiability. If the subject is borderline notable as determined by coverage in independent reliable sources, it's fine to just list the birth year. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:33, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, it's fine to just list the birth year in order to err on the side of caution in case the borderline notable person objects to its inclusion. This is clearly not the case here with Jenna Haze since the citation itself IS her publicaly disclosing that information. If you still object, I suggest we solicit third-party opinions from other editors on the article talkpage or elsewhere in order to reach a consensus. IPIPIPIP (talk) 05:50, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The information may be verifiable, but the person is borderline notable. Notability applies to the subject themselves, not just a given piece of information. Once again, if the subject is borderline notable as determined by coverage in independent reliable sources, it's fine to just list the birth year, whether they object or not. See WP:BLPPRIVACY. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:54, 29 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi, I am a new user and hope it is ok to reach out here to ask about a recent action you took.

You marked a link on the Pearl Mackie page as "Unfit" (it was for the Gay Times article, currently ref. 19)

I was reading about unfit urls, but I find it a bit confusing. Would you mind explaining why it was used here? I'd like to know when to use it myself.

Thanks in advance for your help!

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@QuiteBearish: the current version of the Gay Times article doesn't list the date of publication. If we're going to have the date in a footnote, then I don't think we should use this as the primary link. Marking the URL status as "unfit" hides the link so that readers are sent to the archived version with the date. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 00:53, 15 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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I appreciate the copywriting instead of just reverting, can you help me understand why we'd include the SPLC's POV instead of just their numbers?

Trying to act in good faith, but I don't understand why I'm taking hits on bias and pov, when the sources themselves contain bias and pov? Unwokengarvey (talk) 03:19, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of statistics. We strive to put data in context according to reliable sources, and the SPLC is considered a reliable source on hate groups (WP:SPLC). Reliable sources are not required to be unbiased (WP:BIASED). Neutrality on Wikipedia is about summarizing sources accurately and fairly, without editorial bias (WP:NPOV). You introduced bias when you selectively cited certain details out of context.
Why would you include the fact that the SPLC used the term "black separatism" to categorize hate groups, without stating their rationale for no longer doing so? Your edits so far indicate a desire to portray pro-black groups & beliefs as hateful, contrary to what reliable sources state. Even if you believe this is true, Wikipedia is not the place to make this argument. See WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 05:26, 1 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Nina Hartley

As requested I added the citations you men requested in reference to Nina Hartley and her many connections with Feminism. I understand while the world would agree she is a feminist and that title is only given to a select few women of extreme prominence it is a known fact she is a minor figure in the sex positive movement. She has been a minor figure in the sex positive movement for years and also is a major sex-work activist which naturally is seen as a feminist issue. I don't know where we draw the line between dialogue and patriarchal intellectual hegemony on with respect to this page. Please help me understand more and teach me please. Torah mishna (talk) 12:00, 3 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Introducing sfnlink

Hi, Sangdeboeuf,

We are both members of a probably smallish club of users that are comfortable creating CITEREF-based wikilinks; I've seen your work at various articles, including complex examples such as the "power-user" one at Talk:Toxic masculinity involving a citation from a specific version of an article, and many more. I've often thought it was tedious putting these links together and there had to be a better way. They're probably second nature to you now, but I bet you remember the initial learning curve. Plus, once you have them, they look mysterious in the wikicode to the average editor. At the same time, there ought to be an easier on-ramp for other editors who feel comfortable enough using {{sfn}}, but are too scared off by the intricacies of CITEREF to create links of that nature.

I finally decided to do something about it, and the result is {{sfnlink}} (alias: citelink). Here's one example; this code, adapted from a Talk page comment of yours at Talk:Rebecca Watson, and recast to use {{sfnlink}}, will look familiar:

  • Sources such as {{sfnlink|LeDrew|2016|p=198|rev=990826574}}) and {{sfnlink|Meagher|2018|p=101|rev=990826574}} do suggest the reaction was overblown ⟶ Sources such as LeDrew (2016) p. 198) and Meagher (2018) p. 101 do suggest the reaction was overblown

Sfnlink is configurable in several ways beyond this; you can find details at the template. I haven't advertised it yet, and I've come to a stopping point in development, so I thought I'd ask for your feedback before I do. Let me know what you think. Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 10:00, 20 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Looks great, thanks! I discovered WP:CITEREF anchors by just copying and pasting from the address bar of the article. The template looks much more logical and streamlined. I like the different options for linking to a named page as well as a numbered revision. What happens if neither the revision nor article are specified? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:38, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I did too, and started to reverse-engineer it, like you obviously did, too. Params rev and article are optional, and when neither is specified, it creates a link to the same page as the template (like sfn or harv). If you add the template to a mainspace article, it tries to link the full citation, hopefully found in "References" (or "Works cited", etc.); if the template is on a Talk page, it'll look for something resolved by a {{reflist-talk}} on the Talk page. For the link-to-same-page case, template {{harv}} is an almost equivalent option, although you can't change the link text in that one. Feel free to adjust the doc, if you think this needs to be clearer, or I could.
By the way, I did a bit of research before I started, and afaict, you're one of the major power users of #CITEREF, at least recently, assuming advanced search gives unbiased results. I'm hoping this template will make it easier for the power users, and make it possible for casual users where previously it was out of reach for them.
One other thing; I've been considering a change of name; feel free to opine at Template talk:Sfnlink#Title about that (or anything else). Cheers, Mathglot (talk) 22:40, 24 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
@Mathglot: is it possible to suppress the parentheses around the date for Harvard-style referencing on talk pages etc.? —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 22:32, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Not currently, but that would be an easy change. I'm trying to think of the best way to handle it to keep it simple for users who like it one way, or the other. Maybe a new sfnlink param |nb=yes would suppress parentheses, and then we could then easily create a wrapper template {{sfnlinknb}} which would invoke sfnlink with the param, so you could code either {{sfnlink|nb=yes|other params}} or {{sfnlinknb|other params}} and get the same result; how does that sound? So, to make sure I understand: the new output would be exactly as it is now, except no parens, so there would be one space following the name, and YYYY would follow the space; is that right? Mathglot (talk) 23:02, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Pretty much, yes. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 23:07, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It's in the sandbox, but untested and I have to run. If you want, you can try it out by coding {{sfnlink/sandbox|nb=yes|other params...}} and see if it does what you want. (You don't have to put 'yes', you can put 'y', or '1', or 'true', or even 'no' and it will do the same thing.) Lmk if you find anything; also, it might not work at all. Mathglot (talk) 23:25, 1 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, its working live, now: {{sfnlink|Meagher|2018|article=Rebecca Watson|nb=y}}Meagher 2018. I don't have the wrapper {{sfnlinknb}} yet, but I'll get to it eventually, and in the meantime, it should work with the 'nb' param. The template doc page should answer any questions. Mathglot (talk) 05:36, 2 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I created the wrapper, so you should be able to use {{sfnlinknb}}, now, and not have to code |nb=yes anymore. I tagged it as beta until we have sufficient usage of it. In the meantime, please add any bugs or comments to its Talk page. Hope you find it useful! Mathglot (talk) 22:14, 3 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

And to round out this thread, here's a link to {{Remoteref}}, which has a function similar to that of {{sfnlink}} of being able to link to any citation with a CITEREF-based anchor, but links it via a numeric superscript tag, just like a regular footnote or {{citeref}} does. Unlike citeref, it works from any page, like this.[1] This completes my activity with these templates, at least for now. Bug reports, enhancement proposals, and feedback always welcome at Template talk:Sfnlink. Thanks, Mathglot (talk) 02:47, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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Is IAFD a reliable/appropriate source with regards to citing how many films a performer has appeared in? IPIPIPIP (talk) 21:43, 1 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

In my opinion, no. IAFD is still user-generated content regardless of whether it's personal info or filmography. At the very least citing user-created databases lend undue weight to such trivia. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:07, 3 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Sangdeboeuf, It would be helpful to know which bits you find problematic. There are only one or two sentences that aren't sourced and/or wikilinked. If they are the problem, I will be happy to delete them. Utilisateur19911 (talk) 14:35, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again, I have added a few sources, deleted one sentence of OR, and deleted your OR tag. I will add further/stronger sources as I find them. This is now one of the better WP articles on a subject of this type, so if you still feel the need to tag it, a more detailed explanation would be appreciated. I am looking forward to being done with Uschi. Best, Utilisateur19911 (talk) 17:06, 7 January 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi Sangdebouef, responding to talk messages. Your threshold for what constitutes it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object to the details being made public (WP:DOB) is obviously stricter than mine. Our past no consensus discussion concerned the clearness of phrasing in WP:ABOUTSELF DOB sources in this topic area. In good faith, I'm asking you to unrevert here and here, where the subjects really do say "today is my X birthday" or similar (one says she turned 37 yesterday, another that she turns 50 tomorrow, and other posts affirm the respective dates). Thanks. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 04:25, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Posts like "307 is a good number, on the day I turned 37, no less", "Last day in my 40s", and "I'm turning 50 an YOU are invited!" are not explicit regarding the actual date of birth. As I said earlier, Something along the lines of "today is my [xx] birthday" would be something like "It's my [xx] birthday today" or "I'm [xx] years old today". The cited WP:ABOUTSELF sources are more vague than this. Combining these with other posts would be WP:OR. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 17:22, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Of course I understand the sensitivity in this topic area and thank you for patrolling BLP violations in general. I wouldn't ask you to undo your reverts if these sources didn't appear to be explicit about DOBs. Referring to 2023-06-15 as "the day I turned 37" and identifying 2019-10-07 as the "Last day in my 40s" are in the same spirit as "today is my [xx] birthday". They're not vague when there's no other way to read them (is there?). Other posts aren't used for synthesis, only as evidence of clear declarations of their birthdays (so that it may reasonably be inferred that the subject does not object per WP:DOB). I'll leave you with that and understand if you're not persuaded. Please refrain from sending me templates in the future. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 18:05, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]
That's not what the sources say, though. An explicit reference would be something like "today is the day I turned 37". The sources don't actually identify the day in question. Regardless of how you or I read the intent of these posts, WP:V requires that sources directly support the given material. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 18:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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Suppose, hypothetically, that there were an editor engaging in very battleground-y behavior on Talk:Sarah Jeong and also simultaneously on Talk:Gender (after having made contentious and swiftly reverted edits to both, though not edit-warring), and also pushing some obviously argumentative content into the lead at Pornography. And furthermore that this happened after the editor was apprised of the CTOP classification for gender etc. Do you think that is the sort of thing that one could make the core of an AE filing? (I've never done it before and having trouble finding an understandable answer to this question in the copious documentation around AE and CTOP.) If this is not of interest to you, sorry for the bother. --JBL (talk) 18:48, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Hypothetically, there would be a very good case for a strong warning from ArbCom and possibly sanctions, especially regarding WP:BLUDGEON and WP:BATTLE. Filling out a request at WP:AE is actually pretty easy; I've done it once I think. The edit window has instructions on what documentation to provide. —Sangdeboeuf (talk) 21:51, 15 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, I've given it a shot. Thanks for your advice (hypothetically speaking). --JBL (talk) 00:58, 16 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]

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