I dont know where you popped up from but as I wrote on the talk page Holy hell that was well written! Thank you for a marvellous effort :) - Glen 10:26, 14 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This article is a joke. You can tell it's a joke by looking at the user who created it, someone who calls himself/herself "Lord Xenu." Xenu is the bad guy in Scientology mythology. Whoever created Scientology Public Relations did so out of malice, either towards Scientology or Wikipedia or both. I urge you to reconsider your vote. Respectfully, Republitarian 19:18, 23 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Devil woship is not unsourced, it's blatant vandalism. Please review relevant Wikipedia policies. Republitarian 03:06, 26 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Stating "ridiculous edit"[1] in an edit summary is uncivil and a personal attack. Your statement "It seems to me that cult sympathizers are trying to pull a version of this scam here"[2] is also a personal attack. My suggestion is that you read WP:NPA and WP:CIVIL before entering discussion any further. --HResearcher 04:24, 29 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

1. * The edit was ridiculous, for the reason I stated in my edit which you failed to quote fully: ridiculous edit; users are not banned from facilities for legitimate use.

• It was a ridiculous edit to Dufour to make, and it borders on vandalism. Describing this edit as ridiculous is not a personal attack on the editor.
• The manner in which Dufour edited it states she was terminated by reason only of using the facility, which is clearly misleading and false.
• This edit made resulted in the article stating: Schwarz was permanently suspended from the use of the Salt Lake City Public Library's personal computers and internet due to complaints regarding allegations of her use of the Usenet from the library. It makes the statement utterly ridiculous. She was suspended from the use of library facilities due to her spamming; that is not legitimate use, it is abuse. Two supporting citations were provided.
• I discussed the edit on the Talk page about this same matter some time before I added it to the article. Neither you or Dufour added any further debate to the proposed edit, after your personal attack assuming bad faith and intent in adding this data to the article and where I spelt out clearly why this was no so.
• However, I will concede describing this ridiculous edit as such in the edit summary may be viewed as uncivil, and so I shall be mindful of my edit summary descriptions in the future.

2. You are wrong with your allegations of a personal attack regarding my comment It seems to me that cult sympathizers are trying to pull a version of this scam here.

• With three failed AfDs and enourmous amounts of vandalism, there has clearly been a concerted effort by cult sympathizers to either have the article reduced to a stub or eliminated completely.
• It is a fact that a smear camaign was attempted against Fred Bauder on the Usenet by cult sympathizers when he didn't remove the Schwarz article.

In the recent past, it is also worth noting with this article and its discussions, you have:

• removed source material which met WP:V standards
• made uncited allegations, and fail to cite your sources
• made statements to provoke people
• repeated questions which have been answered with citations before, to provoke people
• demanded citations, then dismissed them even when they meet WP:V standards
• made accusations of bad faith and malicious intent in the composition and purpose of the article about Vivaldi, Tilman, and myself.

You also have what appears to be a unique view of WP:BLP that appears to differ with the other editors interested in contributing and improving this article.

You keep referring to referenced and cited material as "original research" yet you fail to look at cited evidence yourself. You have also stated you are "arranging scans" to be made to support your sources in the Schwarz article, which appears to me to be WP:NOR violation.

HResearcher, my interest in the Schwarz article is to make it factual, neutral, accurate, verifiable, and encylopedic in nature. My interest in Wikipedia is to compose and edit articles based on those Wikipedia principles, not to engage in provocative petty bickering. It's my opinion you are making statements to provoke people. Please stop. Orsini 11:00, 31 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't want to wheelwar with ChrisO, but do feel that her input is proper as the article is about herself. I am willing to forgive her trespasses, she could never edit on Wikipedia, but should be allowed to comment on her own article. Fred Bauder 14:59, 8 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Fred, users that are threatening legal action against Wikipedia or other editors are normally encouraged not to participate until their legal actions are finished. There is a policy about this at No Legal Threats. Also, Ms. Schwarz has been revealing what she believes to be the private r/l IDs of anonymous Wikipedia editors, even after having been warned not do so many times. ChrisO stated that conditions under which Ms. Schwarz can resume her editing. They seem entirely reasonable to me. Why shouldn't Ms. Schwarz agree to follow the rules and policies here? Vivaldi (talk) 06:06, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I find myself in agreement with both of you here. She ought to be permitted to have input on the article, however her unwillingness to respect the rules of Wikipedia - in particular the privacy and WP:H violations - make this a concern, for the reasons Vivaldi has stated. Is it possible to allow her limited access to a sandbox or similar area for comments? Orsini 10:35, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide citations for your accusations of my alleged "personal attacks, dive into original research, violating WP:CIVIL, and this behavior is now descending into making outright false accusations, taunting, trolling"[3]. I don't think you can because I do not believe I have engaged in such behavior. Failure to provide citations will result in my posting of your documented uncivil behavior in the administrator's noticeboard. --HResearcher 04:31, 9 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I have documentation to support the claim that HResearcher has made false accusations. HResearcher made one such false accusation in my own RfC when he suggested that I was cherry-picking information from Barbara's Usenet posts to add to the article. The Usenet posts were added by ArbCom member, and admin, Fred Bauder, not me. After I pointed out that HResearcher was lying on his talk page about the incident, he removed the warning from his talk page, numerous times. Eventually he did apologize to me on my talk page for stating the lie, but he didn't remove the places where he stated his lie from Wikipedia. I find his efforts to reconcile with me to be paltry at best. We already have a number of admins reading the Barbara Schwarz talk page, so I don't see why HResearcher thinks that bringing up this issue at a admins noticeboard would change anything. His behaviour at Barbara Schwarz got him blocked by one admin, that block was supported by at least two other admins that reviewed it. He has since engaged in making false accusations against other editors in his poor attempt at straw-man argumentation. I wouldn't worry about his threats, Orsini. Vivaldi (talk) 06:01, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks, Vivaldi. I was concerned HResearcher may attempt to use allegations of bias in further backdoor attempts to have the article deleted by means other than by AfD discussions. However on review, it appears HResearcher has taken part in exactly the same type of so called "original research" this same editor is accusing me of. I am also concerned about HResearcher's approach in response to matters which do not support his own POV, either in discussions on Talk: Barbara Schwarz or in this editor's own behavior, and HResearcher appears to me to be unwilling to work towards consensus or acknowledge his /her own behavior. I've looked in on that RfC you're involved with and on the articles involved, and I've noted your own ruthlessness in insisting on reliable sources, and yours is a good ruthlessnes to have. After much thought, it appears filing an RfC on HResearcher seems the only way to stop these conflicts. Not having done this before, I have prepared a draft of an RfC on the background and history of HResearcher's involvement with the article and citations of what I think are policy violations. Can you please check it out and see if it's accurate? User:Orsini/Sandbox Orsini 10:23, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree he's problematic and I would say that his blatant double standard, where he's allowed to treat as fact information purportedly supported by material located in private boxes somewhere in Germany of unclear origin, but no one else is allowed to mention publicly known information such as the Antje Victore case (on the talk page) unless they're providing full citations, comes close to showing bad faith. Unfortunately, I'm very much bogged down with RL stuff and my capacity to pursue Wikipedia causes is limited -- I have to choose carefully if I'm not to burn out. Sorry. -- Antaeus Feldspar 15:44, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Antaeus for your time, I appreciate your reply. Orsini 16:00, 10 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked - sorry I didnt catch her earlier - Glen 07:17, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Many thanks Glen. Orsini 07:19, 21 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Please do not attack other editors. Comment on content, not on contributors. Personal attacks damage the community and deter users. Please stay cool and keep this in mind while editing. Thank you.

In this edit you clearly imply that I am a troll. That is a personal attack. Please do not make any further personal attacks against me. Thanks. --Justanother 04:16, 21 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]