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[[Image:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Requesting review of EatsShootsAndLeaves block of Flyer22|Requesting review of EatsShootsAndLeaves block of Flyer22]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. [[User:NeilN|'''<font color="navy">Neil<font color="red">N</font></font>''']] <sup>''[[User talk:NeilN|<font color="blue">talk to me</font>]]''</sup> 17:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
[[Image:Ambox notice.svg|link=|25px|alt=Information icon]] There is currently a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard]] regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is [[Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard#Requesting review of EatsShootsAndLeaves block of Flyer22|Requesting review of EatsShootsAndLeaves block of Flyer22]]. <!--Template:ANI-notice--> Thank you. [[User:NeilN|'''<font color="navy">Neil<font color="red">N</font></font>''']] <sup>''[[User talk:NeilN|<font color="blue">talk to me</font>]]''</sup> 17:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)
: Are you fucking kidding me [[User talk:NeilN|Neil]]? You barely started discussing above, and now you take to ANI? Holy AGF, batman! <small><span style="border:1px solid black;padding:1px;">[[User talk:EatsShootsAndLeaves|<font style="color:#ffffff;background:black;"> the panda </font><font style="color:#000000;background:white;"> ɛˢˡ”</font>]]</span></small> 17:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)

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Accidentally reverted you at ANI...

... sorry about that. I blame the new typography (or more precisely, the jump that occurs when my watchlist loads the script to make things look normal again). I've undone my own edit to put your comment back. Yunshui  14:21, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, I was wondering! LOL ES&L 14:23, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

I did not say you were the bad guy (that was why I removed part of my original innaccurate comment). Actually, I recommended Thanatos to not talk to you as my advice to him to try and make him stay unblocked for longer, not because you are on the list of "users to avoid". Now, about the "I know, and that's exactly why I won't put my hands on that mess": He asked me to take action against you (Sorry but DP him/her-self is or has become in this case a major reason/cause of this request.) and that's something I'm not willing to do. Now about the "sudden anger": I don't have any anger against you (No, I don't have any hard feelings because you opposed my RfA), and I certainly apologize if my don't talk to him comment looked like that. → Call me Hahc21 18:11, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. I deleted the entire thread and take back whatever I said there. I am not going to intermeadiate and risk my skin for Thanatos, so if you end up blocking him I won't certainly yell at you. Yes, the hatch has been long buried and I have no hard feelings to you, but I still prefer that we cross our ways only when necessary, and I think that's fine for both of us. → Call me Hahc21 18:57, 10 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Your judgement

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You're not exactly a good judge regarding what is or isn't personal attack, as demo-ed by you, as admin, telling Daniel Tome "good luck joining the human race someday". (Please excuse if that isn't an exact quote, if I'm off a word or two, anyway, it is the exact meaning of your PA.) For the same reason you aren't in a qualified position to tell me the severity of PA that either MaxBrowne or The Bushranger made against me re "classic narcissist" (which was wiki-linked at the ANI, BTW; perhaps you should go read the lede to said article). You have no basis for telling me "asshole" is a much worse PA (a fraction of a PA) compared to the PA levied at me. (Is there an accepted yardstick or policy that rates PAs? And how do you fit your logic that "narcisist" is .075 of a PA compared to "asshole", when the later is just a common insult, and the former [acc. article] is a diagnosable personality disorder?) You sure take the cake, Panda. I think your positions taken are absurd on their face. You've taken a dislike to me ever since I objected to your slurs against Daniel Tom. (There were more than one.) Both you and Bushranger should and do know better, acc. WP:ADMINACCT. The fact other admins don't and haven't called you out speaks more to the corrupt admin culture here than anything. Two admins approached to evaluate your derogatory personal attacks on Daniel Tom gave walls of text in response, but avoided like poison saying "yes -- that was a PA". When it's oh so pink-elephant-in-the-room. (Could you carry a straight face explaining to Arbitration Committee how "good luck joining the human race someday" isn't a PA by an admin against a reg user?!) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 13:00, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking of taking the cake, changing what I said intentionally to make it look worse certainly takes the cake. That in and of itself is a personal attack. You should know better. With bullshit like the above, IMHO you're a stones throw from permanently being off this project - and this seems to be your MO - you ATTACK the people who dare say you're wrong. Well guess what: you attacked first, but I'm still going to say "you're wrong". So what if you're narcissistic? It certainly never permitted you to make further personal attacks, did it? It certainly didn't permit you to randomly drop Max's name in locations where it didn't belong, did it? You're passive-aggressive somedays, them full out aggressive the next - and that bullshit behaviour is NOT acceptable in a community. At least I'm man enough to have literally "manned-up" to my statements and actions, and because of that, you're being awfully petty raising them again, aren't you. I don't see you doing anything "manly" whatsoever - simply going around attack wherever you see fit. That's atrocious behaviour from anyone. So, yeah, I'm a fantastic judge of personal attacks - one just has to look at the majority of your contributions to this project. DP 14:21, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Oh gosh, Panda, did I make you hot under the collar? Oh gee sorry. But you seem to be a bit irrational here, making accusation without backing it up. Tell me Panda, where am I guilty of changing what [you] said [...] to make it look worse? Show me. (And regarding your "intentionally" assume-bad-faith accusation Mr. Inside-My-Soul Gazer, let's leave that until after you show where I changed what you said.) As far as your generalized bad-mouthing me, I give a fuck about your opinion and mud-throwing. I attacked first? Where did I "attack", Mr. Accuser? (You can show that too.) I don't speak bullshit, Panda, you do. So what if you're narcissistic? What's that supposed to fucking mean, Mr. Administrator? (Are you PA-ing me with that name-call, also, in addition to MaxBrowne and The Bushranger? You should answer that Q.) and this seems to be your MO Why don't you keep your guesses-and-by-gollies to your fucking self? I'm not interested in your inside-my-soul gazing and guessing producing your fraudulent and misguided conclusions of personal nature re "motivations". never permitted you to make further personal attacks I have no idea what the fuck you are talking about. (Are you talking about my provoked response to MaxBrowne's PA at the ANI? If so that was a rhetorical and provoked response to a vicious PA at that ANI. Hello.) didn't permit you to randomly drop Max's name in locations where it didn't belong. In my view where I have mentioned that user's username, it was appropriate for the context of whatever issue. (Why don't you get specific rather than your generalized accusations of wrongdoing? And also support your claims with some kind of policy or guideline, and show how they match up? So I can have a chance to at least understand what the fuck you mean. Too much work for you?!) You're passive-aggressive somedays, them full out aggressive the next Oh thank you Mr. Psychologist. Fact is I respond according to the situation. And I don't invest any of myself toward "passive-aggression". That is pure bad-faith presumption on your part, Mr. Mindreader. that bullshit behaviour is NOT acceptable in a community. But calling someone a "classic narcissist" on a public board, and the offending user explaining why he is qualified to do so, and an admin reinforcing said PA by calling it "not a PA but calling a spade a spade", and you reinforcing with your passive-aggressive "so what if you're a narcissist?", is example of how a good community should perform?! (Jesus-fucking Christ. I'm supposed to take your say-so seriously?!) At least I'm man enough And what are you doing now, Mr. Administrator, comparing penis sizes?! Huh?! Enough with the "I'm more of a man than you" bullshit. If you wanna look around and say who is "manly" or who is prissy and pricklish and over-sensitive and a complainer of constantly being persecuted where no offense is intended or present, then look at MaxBrowne's complaint in the AN. (He equates linking a post of his in a discussion as "talking about him". How more weeny and pathetic is that?! Perhaps he should 1] grow a thicker skin, 2] put away his bad-faith, and 3] stop complaining to daddy & mommy from the back seat of the car "Christopher keeps looking at me! Make him stop! Make him stop!"). you're being awfully petty raising them again, aren't you. No. It supported my point. My point was that you are an ill-founded judge as to what a "personal attack" is, or lax in your responsibilities as admin per WP:ADMINACCT by issuing severe personal attacks against a reg user, without correction or understanding how you are way off the mark re WP:ADMINACCT expected behavior. (If you had no recognition of your duties then, and have not had an "epiphany" since, then you are unchanged. And I'm speaking to that -- your current set of values and lack of professionalism toward your WP:ADMINACCT expected behavior and understanding of policy especially re NPA.) I'm a fantastic judge of personal attacks Don't make me laugh, Panda. (And BTW, you're insulting my intelligence too.) one just has to look at the majority of your contributions to this project Oh, aren't you a good generalizer! Just mud-flinging, Panda. No basis. No fact. No measure. Just insult. Mud, mud, mud. (I didn't know Pandas lived in mud. Now I know.) Why don't you dry up and stop wasting my fucking RL time?? You have a prejudice against me ever since Daniel Tome days, and you wear your bias like a baby's bib. (Right up front.) You can really piss off, OK? (Or, have your over-due epiphany and get in line w/ WP:ADMINACCT.) Ihardlythinkso (talk) 04:23, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
I was going to remove this, but the final line suggesting that I "have a prejudice against you..." was so wrong, it just proved the rest of your post wrong - I'm not that childish, and anyone who thinks I have time for such childish games might just be a classic something-or-another-that-must-apparently-not-be-named. You don't enter my mind, period. This was awesome, and I couldn't do it any better myself. Thanks for that. Cheers DP 09:01, 15 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]
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Frisky feline

Hi, thanks very much for your support during my RFA. I found your "frisky feline" comment very amusing and I didn't want to withhold from you the equally amusing memory that it evoked: Many years ago a colleague of mine published a scientific article about aggressive behavior in mice, describing that he witnessed "fearsome feats of furry fervor". He got away with it and the journal published it as he wrote :-) Cheers! --Randykitty (talk) 16:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Heh, thanks for sharing that! Congrats, BTW ES&L 17:07, 17 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

A kitten for you!

I'm begging you. Please! Please!

DridsOBrien (talk) 23:46, 30 April 2014 (UTC)[reply]

ANI discussion closure

While I agree that your closure of the IHTS IBAN enforcement request discussion summarised the position well as far as the discussion was so far, I would've preferred if it were open for just a few hours longer to have expressed a further comment as I have here, which may have warranted that the block be lifted. Ncmvocalist (talk) 13:13, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I understand your point, but it was a) becoming a dramafest, b) he should have been blocked last time not this time, so the lifting part was moot, and c) I can't say I'm overly convinced that he was unaware - I think by the time that was discussed and proven, the block would be long-over the panda ɛˢˡ” 14:09, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
While I agree with the last part, I think it is still worth recording the issue in the discussion itself where the sanction was imposed from. On another point, it's clear that the action elected to be taken was a warning - yet if the warning was probably (but unintentionally) not conveyed properly, I don't see how it makes it moot. The issue isn't what sanction should have been imposed last time (although I personally think the warning was more appropriate rather than a block); the issue is the chosen sanction was not enforced completely to begin with when that discussion was closed, so the underlying basis for the follow up enforcement is a bit of an issue. On the dramafest issue, that is in a lot of ways the nature of many noticeboard threads, but a few more hours was unlikely to have escalated further given that the editor was already blocked and there was more light left to give than heat.
Of course, for the reasons I already stated there, I'm not terribly convinced that an enforced wikibreak is such a bad thing - more so if it were dished out to both. But my concern is that it seems to have been the opposite of a wikibreak for the sanctioned user, and there is a strong risk that it will drag more good users into the vortex because things were possibly being dealt with too hastily. I'm not particularly impressed with either user's approach, but even if things stay as they are, I suppose I don't lose anything from it personally so I don't need to bother really. Ncmvocalist (talk) 14:42, 2 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Flyer22 block

Hey, DP. I've been looking at your block of Flyer22, and I find myself agreeing with NeilN about it. I don't know about your history or whether you're involved or not; I'm not sure the situation requires you to have been involved to explain the call you made. I could see you doing it simply to be even-handed between the two edit-warring editors. But I think NeilN makes a good case that the two are not equal. Certainly, neither broke 3RR, though of course that's not decisive. But the thing here is that, after their warning, Flyer didn't continue edit warring, and in fact was discussing it on the talk page, whereas Mdthree continued edit-warring after warning Flyer (relying on the fact that they themselves hadn't been warned as a sort of "extra life", one might say). Mdthrees's gaming of the rules can be considered worthy of a block without Flyer's lack thereof being worthy of the same, and I don't think that reverting twice, then stopping after having been warned, is worthy of a block. Not optimal, sure, but not at all block-worthy. Would you consider reversing it? Writ Keeper ♔ 16:09, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I want to further explain my concerns. As far as I can see, this was the sequence of events for Flyer: Revert, Revert, Warned by other editor, Blocked by you. There were two reverts and none after the warning. This block is essentially saying you will impose WP:1RR as you see fit. Present this view to a group of experienced editors, ask them to look over their edit history, and see what kind of reaction you get. --NeilN talk to me 16:17, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
What Neil, you lost me at the "saying you will impose WP:1RR as you see fit". You're welcome to come here and discuss if you're going to have a little bit of WP:AGF, but that's a grossly negligent and offensive statement. the panda ɛˢˡ” 16:19, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay. Is "gives the appearance you will impose WP:1RR as you see fit" better? --NeilN talk to me 16:26, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Not really - you continue to put things into my head and actions that are wholly unrelated to the situation - indeed, your comments on Flyer's page were atrocious and incendiary. On that topic, you are, of course, aware that edit-warring can take place over a single edit, right? I did not place any block for 1RR or 3RR violations (I'd be quite specific about those), I placed 2 simple 12-hr blocks to stop issues on an article that has had more than its share of issues (and more than its share of blocks) the panda ɛˢˡ” 16:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I wouldn't say what NeilN said here (it's far too sweeping and generalized), but the point is that the issues were already stopped, at least from Flyer's end: they had stopped after receiving a warning and had started to use the talk page. Surely that's not block-worthy? Writ Keeper ♔ 16:59, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, well let me review again - the times I saw certainly didn't show the above. the panda ɛˢˡ” 17:54, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Notice

Information icon There is currently a discussion at Wikipedia:Administrators' noticeboard regarding an issue with which you may have been involved. The thread is Requesting review of EatsShootsAndLeaves block of Flyer22. Thank you. NeilN talk to me 17:49, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Are you fucking kidding me Neil? You barely started discussing above, and now you take to ANI? Holy AGF, batman! the panda ɛˢˡ” 17:56, 6 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]