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Gabor B. Racz Thought of complimenting you for this article. A good one mainly in terms of prose quality. Best --PeterCRames (talk) 19:20, 19 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] What a nice compliment. Thank you, PeterCRames.Atsme☯Consult 03:50, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Resilient Barnstar OK, I hope you're happy with your work, I think it's fabulous! And I'm also glad that we could (resolve? set aside? put on hiatus?) our differences elsewhere and that it led to this accomplishment of yours. Cheers! — alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:11, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Alf. It means a great deal more to me coming from you. I don't even consider our differences as anything to set aside, much less consider. I learned a great deal from the experience, and thank you kindly. Now then, is the article still supposed to be in my sandbox, or did I screw-up yet again? Atsme☯Consult 19:17, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] No, it's normal that it's still in your sandbox. When you move a page out of userspace into mainspace that just happens. You can blank the sandbox version and it won't affect the real version, and then use your sandbox for other stuff. Would you be interested in trying to write a DYK (WP:DYK) from your new article? It'll get it on the main page for a few hours. That process can be a little overwhelming, I know, but if you'd like to try I can help you, or if you'd like it to happen but don't want to get involved, I can do it for you (which is normal, other people proposing DYKs for new articles).— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:23, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] I'd love to do something new. If you have the patience to work with me, I'm game. Also, I noticed in the "view history" of my new article, it shows all the edits. Uh oh? Or is that normal? You might want to take a peek at it. Atsme☯Consult 19:26, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] It's supposed to show the history, don't worry about that. I'll think about what might be a good hook, and maybe you can read over the instructions at the DYK page. I believe you have 5 days or 10 days or something from when it's moved into mainspace, so it's not a super hurry.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:28, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] You can take the lead, and just coach me along so I can see first hand how it's done. Is that ok? Atsme☯Consult 19:33, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] OK, will do later today or tomorrow and let you know what's going on.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 19:38, 12 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] I miss your insightfulness, your patience, and your genius, Alf.laylah.wa.laylah. I hope you are checking in from time to time, and will see my post. Please come back soon. Atsme☯Consult 20:49, 13 March 2015 (UTC)[reply] The above thread is referring to Gabor B. Racz which further substantiates how wrong it was for editors to initiate a WP:GAR within minutes following the wrongful accusations of a COI against me at COIN, particularly regarding this BLP. What ensued at the GAR discussions and on the article's TP should serve as a lesson to all of us regarding allegations of COI without justification, and the only reason I am now bringing it up. Atsme📞📧 17:19, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] Your GA nomination of Alligator gar The article Alligator gar you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Alligator gar for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:42, 11 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] For your information, your chain moray eel image is now in The Signpost. Cwmhiraeth (talk) 18:57, 15 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] Cwmhiraeth, thank you for the update, and congratulations on your accomplishments!! Atsme☯Consult 03:59, 16 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] I did the DYK nomination It's here: Template:Did you know nominations/Gabor B. Racz‎. You might want to put it on your watchlist because it's sometimes necessary to do a little editing before it's accepted, but in this case I think that'll be minimal. By the way, you should be quite proud of the minimal attention the article got from new page patrollers. You probably didn't realize it, but those two or three small edits people made right after you moved it were just the tip of the iceberg of probably around a hundred people looking it over to make sure it wasn't too crappy to survive, and then it got assessed with a C by the bio wikiproject. Very good!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:10, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Makes me smile. Thank you. I'm reading up on QPQ, DYK, KMA, IDK, MMD, etc., etc., etc. I have a 6 ft. sheet of initialisms and acronyms that will probably take me 3 years to learn. Atsme☯ talk 22:23, 13 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] @Alf.laylah.wa.laylah: So what happens next? DYK for Gabor B. Racz slakr\ talk / 23:08, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Congratulations! For this!— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 22:23, 24 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Oh, WOW, Alf!!! WOW!! We did it!!! Thank you, thank you!!! Atsme☯ talk 23:46, 25 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Did you look at the main page and see it on there? I took a screenshot for you in case you want a souvenir, which I can email to you if you'd like. Fabulous work, it flew right through the review. That's very rare on a first try. You should be proud. There are all kinds of little widgets you can put on your userpage to commemorate the occasion if you want to.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 00:20, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] The article's main page, or one of the links on the banner? Not quite versed in navigating DYK. I would love a souvenir, Alf - thank you bunches, and thank you for the kind words, but I can't take full credit. I had one helluva teacher in you! Where do I get the widgets? Oh, and I added the DYK tool, I think. I need to read up on the DYK procedures, because right now it's all a bit confusing. Once that light goes on in my head, I'll be on the fast track. I also made my first template, and uploaded more pictures to Commons. That was fun, too. Just have to be careful I don't grow roots in this chair. I lose track of time, and before I realize it, 10 to 12 hrs have passed. Atsme☯ talk 02:46, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] No, the actual front page of Wikipedia that the whole world sees when they land on it. It's still on there now, so you can see it live, but in case you don't get this in time I'll send you the screenshot anyway. It's amazing how time flies, isn't it?— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 02:58, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Oh, Wow!!! No, I didn't know!! Atsme☯ talk 03:01, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Yeah, that's the payoff for writing good new content. Amazing, isn't it? Do you know how to check page views in the article history? Wait till the date changes and you'll see your article got thousands of views today.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:05, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] Sure is a good feeling, Alf. Amazing, and very rewarding. Page views? I don't know how to check page views. That is really awesome beyond words! Is there a link to the Widgets for my user page? --Atsme☯ talk 03:17, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] I'm not sure if there's a general link. I use little teensy ones that I copied off someone else's page, you can see them on my user page. Also you can just look at other people's userpages who do DYKs and see what they do. That's probably the best way to find them, but also there might be a category or a list of them somewhere, I just don't know.— alf laylah wa laylah (talk) 03:24, 26 April 2014 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Alligator gar Gatoclass (talk) 05:37, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] A kitten for you! Great works!! You have improved a lot....Keep up.... The herald 15:33, 27 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] The Herald - how sweet - thank you!! And thank you for being so patient and giving of your time. I'm pretty excited about a couple new projects I'm working on offline, and also trying to improve a very inaccurate "start" article that relies heavily on self-published sources, and original research. Atsme☯Consult 16:13, 28 July 2014 (UTC)[reply] Your GA nomination of American paddlefish The article American paddlefish you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:American paddlefish for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of FunkMonk -- FunkMonk (talk) 00:42, 5 September 2014 (UTC)[reply] Your GA nomination of Bowfin The article Bowfin you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Bowfin for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Chiswick Chap -- Chiswick Chap (talk) 18:43, 29 September 2014 (UTC)[reply] DYK for American paddlefish —HJ Mitchell | Penny for your thoughts? 12:02, 7 October 2014 (UTC)[reply] Barnstar The Original Barnstar To Atsme, an overdue barnstar for the impressive articles she has written on "primitive" fish. Well done! --Epipelagic (talk) 19:38, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply] Thank you kindly, User:Epipelagic. Your recognition is much appreciated. Atsme☯Consult 22:31, 11 October 2014 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Bowfin  — Crisco 1492 (talk) 14:43, 19 October 2014 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Synodus intermedius Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:02, 9 November 2014 (UTC)[reply] Your GA nomination of Gabor B. Racz The article Gabor B. Racz you nominated as a good article has passed ; see Talk:Gabor B. Racz for comments about the article. Well done! If the article has not already been on the main page as an "In the news" or "Did you know" item, you can nominate it to appear in Did you know. Message delivered by Legobot, on behalf of Cwmhiraeth -- Cwmhiraeth (talk) 11:03, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] Cwmhiraeth, thank you for your tireless efforts. Atsme☯Consult 22:06, 1 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] FA congratulations Just a quick note to congratulate you on the promotion of American paddlefish to FA status recently. If you would like to see this (or any other FA) appear as "Today's featured article" soon (either on a particular date or on any available date), please nominate it at the requests page. If you'd like to see an FA appear on a particular date in the next year or so, please add it to the "pending" list. In the absence of a request, the article may end up being picked at any time (although with about 1,287 articles waiting their turn at present, there's no telling how long – or short! – the wait might be). If you'd got any TFA-related questions or problems, please let me know. BencherliteTalk 10:46, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Bencherlite. I believe in the DYK/GA/FA process, admire the reviewers for their diligence, and generosity of their time, and hope I will be able to help bring more quality articles to Wikipedia. Atsme☯Consult 12:25, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] Today's Featured Article: Notification This is to inform you that American paddlefish, which you nominated at WP:FAC, will appear on the Wikipedia Main Page as Today's Featured Article on 24 December 2014. The proposed main page blurb is here; you may amend if necessary. Please check for dead links and other possible faults before the appearance date. Brianboulton (talk) 23:24, 4 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] Precious intrinsic beauty of sharing knowledge Thank you, free at last, for quality articles such as American paddlefish and Gabor B. Racz, written with the background of experience and in the spirit that there's "something indescribable, yet intrinsically beautiful about sharing knowledge", - you are an awesome Wikipedian! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:49, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] One of the best Christmas gifts ever. Thank you Gerda Arendt. It is such an honor to receive this from you!! Atsme☯Consult 13:35, 24 December 2014 (UTC)[reply] A year ago, you were recipient no. 1072 of Precious, a prize of QAI! Thank you for great wishes, starting early, - I am still on my way and found in a 16th century text (and music) inspiration to go over the mountains, be inspired, support each other, and sing! All the good wishes are open now on my talk, to be shared, --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:17, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Two years ago, you were recipient no. 1072 of Precious, a prize of QAI! My Christmas card will appear on my talk later today. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:57, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Awww...thank you, Gerda Arendt. Your "Precious" prize generates feelings of warmth, love and peace. You are a very special Wikipedian as its founder and distributor. Atsme📞📧 15:00, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Chain Moray An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Chain moray eel.jpg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust The Homunculus 03:32, 6 February 2015 (UTC)[reply] Congrats. ChrisGualtieri (talk) 03:00, 7 February 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thank you. Atsme☯Consult 08:36, 10 February 2015 (UTC)[reply] Barnstar Awarded! The Barnstar of Integrity In recognition of your COI Ducks essay, which I find to be of value in facing the fact that Wikipedia has a serious ongoing problem. It takes bravery and moral conviction to stand up against the forces of organized COI editing. Thanks for your work. Jusdafax 15:38, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] By the way, I see you had the same type of visitor I had today. I've banned him from my talk page, just so you know you aren't the only one. Best wishes, Jusdafax 21:47, 7 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for the lovely barnstar, Jusdafax. My TP will wear it with pride. Atsme☯Consult 04:08, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] To Atsme Ice Cream Award Atsme, gotta love being propped up to do a favor for others, only to be thrown to the wolves with no one by your side, eh? Welcome to Wikipedia! I've been wracking my brain trying to figure out how to make it up to you, and then i remembered..... ice cream exists. Please have some. You deserve it. petrarchan47tc 23:10, 5 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] I'll definitely take it!! Thank you, Petra! Atsme☯Consult 01:16, 6 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] While you're enjoying your ice cream, you might feel to watch this. petrarchan47tc 23:25, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] And this. petrarchan47tc 00:12, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Believe it or not, I just sat down with a bowl of ice cream (Chocolate Royale) and fired up the computer and read this, so yes, I thoroughly enjoyed all the treats, thank you! Atsme☯Consult 02:14, 9 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Copyeditor's Barnstar For your work in Nirmala. Looks like you are a bit busy with all. Good day.. -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 03:59, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] This is lovely, TH. Thank you. It was a fun article to collaborate on with you. Atsme☯Consult 04:05, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] God willin', you will have another collaboration soon. Its a mammoth one. -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 04:13, 8 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Shall I hint you? It's the most beautiful building in the world. Check my contribs and help me. -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 07:31, 11 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Some bubble tea for you! Drink it and tie your belt to review pending changes..:) -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 09:16, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Bubble tea!! Thank you!! Atsme☯Consult 17:37, 13 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Essay The Barnstar of Diplomacy I really can't claim to be a fan of the essay, but I would like to say that I appreciate the edits made in response to my concerns. I also respect and appreciate that you were willing and able to hear my concerns in the midst of an emotional and confrontational discussion. Formerly 98 talk|contribs|COI statement 12:54, 14 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Formerly 98. I am flattered and honored by your gesture of kindness. I do hope we can work together in a productive collaboration in the near future. I really do like your style. Atsme☯Consult 00:23, 15 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] A kitten for you! Woke up just now to see Nirmala already a GA!!! Gratitude........ -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 02:03, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Almost, but not quite. I'll still gratefully accept the fuzzy little kitty. Atsme☯Consult 03:28, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar You deserve the barnstar and the credit. Forget not to add a userbox in Nirmala's name.... -The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength 11:33, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Dearest Mentor O Mine, I am honored. Thank you. Atsme☯Consult 15:49, 18 April 2015 (UTC)[reply] Great..can you do just another small favor? Check your mail...-The Herald the joy of the LORDmy strength A barnstar for you! The Editor's Barnstar GREAT job! 7&6=thirteen (☎) 19:36, 3 January 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, User:7&6=thirteen. Your collaboration was much appreciated. Atsme☯Consult 01:12, 4 January 2015 (UTC)[reply] A cupcake for you! Have a nice day Atsme Govindaharihari (talk) 13:50, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply] How sweet! Thank you, Govindaharihari. Your cupcake made it a nice day. Atsme📞📧 14:20, 1 August 2015 (UTC)[reply] A beer for you! (It was this or something called "bubble tea"- hope you like beer!) I see WP has regained a bit of its sanity. Welcome back xxxooo petrarchan47คุก 00:07, 14 August 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thanks for uploading the pictures A cute pinto foal for you! Thanks for uploading the photos, I added them to the articles (both the I Am Jose ones to his article, and one of him and the arena picture to the TWHNC article. Thanks again! 😊 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 20:33, 17 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] You are very welcome! 😊Atsme📞📧 17:03, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] By the way, you're invited to suggest material for my crazy edits page. 😀White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 21:38, 18 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] Some dim sum for you! Thanks for your contributions to Wikipedia. North America1000 09:54, 7 April 2016 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Copyeditor's Barnstar For your tireless contributions in bringing Loham to GA status. :-) Charles Turing (talk) 11:35, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Charles Turing. It was an interesting project to work on. Atsme📞📧 17:55, 3 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] A kitten for you! Meow! This cat swings all ways, vax and anti-vax, and will accept homeopathy, acupuncture, traditional Chinese medicine, and milk. And kitten hugs. Drmies (talk) 14:34, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] Soft kitty, warm kitty, little ball of fur. Happy kitty, sleepy kitty, purr, purr, purr. *lol* Thanks, Drmies. If that cat ever authors a book about feline acupuncture, I'll do my best to include a section on the motivation and inspiration behind it. In kitty language, CAM/Alt Med can only mean one thing - creature comfort. Cats are pretty amazing creatures, as I'm sure you're well aware. Following is what homeo-pity meant to our 20+ yr. old barn cat who actually knew she was going to die. I say that with conviction because of the events that led up to it, beginning with her rare visit to the house. She stood at my front door meowing until I answered. I didn't know what was wrong with her - she looked fine for her age - so I picked her up, and sat on the porch swing with her in my lap. She responded well to a little love and attention; laid very still purring while I gently rubbed her head. After I went back into the house, she stayed there in the swing. I found her little lifeless body the next morning exactly where I left her. She came to tell me goodbye. Atsme📞📧 17:04, 15 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] A cup of coffee for you! Have a coffee and get ready.... -The Herald (Benison) • the joy of the LORDmy strength 16:52, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] Yay!! Thank you. Glad you're back, TH. Atsme📞📧 16:57, 23 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] Tipping The Involuntary Recumbency Barnstar For your contributions toward a greater understanding of human–bovine interactions. Thank you for the GA review of Cow tipping. Moo. Brianhe (talk) 14:03, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] Well earned, although I personally have to admit that when I saw "involuntary recumbency" in the edit summary I was thinking that it was some sort of euphemism for being sick or in the hospital or something. John Carter (talk) 14:26, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Brianhe - it's not only a creative barnstar, it's one that is udderly appreciated. It really moooved me. Sooo...along the lines of what John Carter said, when I first saw "involuntary recumbency" I thought someone was going to force me to ride a recumbent. Q: What did the cow say to the cow-tipping rednecks? A: Don't mooove a muscle! Atsme📞📧 15:39, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] So is that what "don't forget to tip your server" means? --Tryptofish (talk) 16:49, 1 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] When you need an engineer instead "Everything I Know About Engineering" Award The highest honor bestowed upon editors who ask scientists a question that only engineers can answer. Choo-choo on that for a while. Atsme📞📧 13:38, 8 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] Hello Hi Atsme, I saw your post on Anarchyte's talk page and just now discovered your amazing work on Wikipedia. Why have you not yet applied for the Rfa? Xender Lourdes (talk) 00:34, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for the kind words, Xender Lourdes. I actually self-reverted after I re-read A's user page and realized their userbox correctly displayed their time as an editor, which to me is pretty amazing considering all the accomplishments in such a short period of time. And thank you Xender for your contributions and the excellent work you've been doing. I actually have given some consideration to adminship but I'm not quite ready for it. I occasionally help at DRN when I can - not as much as I should - and from time to time I'll close at ANI, but at this point in time, I very much enjoy working with the Equine Project team, creating articles, reviewing GA/FA candidates, improving/expanding articles for GA/FA promotion as well as helping others prep theirs, and I also enjoy spending time on Commons, providing photographs that are needed for articles, and helping review FP candidates. It's "happy time" for me. Admins have a huge responsibility, and to do the job right requires a great deal of time, patience, and understanding. Perhaps after I achieve most of my goals as a content creator and GA/FA contributor, adminship may be something I'd consider. Atsme📞📧 04:26, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] Understood :) It was good to have come across you. See you around. Xender Lourdes (talk) 10:16, 12 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Working Woman's Barnstar For your thankless efforts at the Faisalabad GA review, and, in general, for all your splendid contributions to Wikipedia. We are blessed to have someone like you here! Sainsf (talk · contribs) 07:45, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Sainsf. What a wonderful surprise, and an honor. Atsme📞📧 10:47, 20 June 2016 (UTC)[reply] What goes around... ...comes around. With the "what" being the fact that I'm going to have that image on my talk page beyond the death of humanity itself, when only the barren expanses of the empty internet remain. But I'll let crazy pig man speak for himself. Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints|Mistakes) 01:31, 30 August 2016 (UTC) Seriously though, I'm glad you enjoyed my depository of failed amateur comedy user page.[reply] Colonel Wilhelm Klink, I don't trust that the internet will be here in recognizable form in the future, so I printed & framed your crazy pig man and hung it on the wall. Our little pot bellied pig gazes upon it dreamily every day. Atsme📞📧 15:13, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply] I hope your pig gets many hours of enjoyment from it (because God knows nobody else will). Now the only thing left to do is invite Kramer over to your house. ("Jerry! It's the pig man!") :) Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints|Mistakes) 18:11, 31 August 2016 (UTC)[reply] POTD notification Hi Betty, Just to let you know, the Featured Picture File:Chain moray eel.jpg is scheduled to be Picture of the Day on September 22, 2017. If you get a chance, you can check and improve the caption at Template:POTD/2017-09-22. Thank you for all of your contributions! — Chris Woodrich (talk) 07:12, 8 September 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Crisco! Great news...I'll check the caption.Atsme📞📧 11:30, 8 September 2017 (UTC)[reply] DYK for Chris Sherwin On 10 November 2017, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Chris Sherwin, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that animal behavior scientist Chris Sherwin wrote that insects can experience "negative mental states"? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Chris Sherwin. You are welcome to check how many page hits the article got while on the front page (here's how, Chris Sherwin), and it may be added to the statistics page if the total is over 5,000. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page. Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:03, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Random Acts of Kindness Barnstar You went above and beyond helping a newcomer to Wikipedia. Magnolia677 (talk) 16:52, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply] Awwww...thank you, Magnolia677. Atsme📞📧 19:16, 28 April 2017 (UTC)[reply] Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/Longnose batfish.jpg An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Longnose batfish.jpg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust The Homunculus 20:29, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] Congrats! It's an excellent likeness of me! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:39, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] I uploaded that image in your honor, Tryp!! Atsme📞📧 00:32, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] If I say so myself, the red lipstick looks very fetching on me. --Tryptofish (talk) 00:36, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] And it doesn't leave a trace. Kiss away!! 👄💋Atsme📞📧 01:04, 22 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] Nice to see it made it. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:24, 23 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Defender of the Wiki Barnstar for your engagement on the NPP and ACTRIAL issues whether or not your opinions concur with mine. At least you now have the eyes and ears of the WMF. Thank you :) Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 03:58, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you Kudpung, but it is you I applaud for your leadership and steadfastness in this worthy endeavor. I believe we are of the same opinion regarding the essential elements; however, as an ideaologist who makes-up words I'm not above throwing stuff against the wall to see what sticks, especially when there's a stalemate. It is long past due for the project to have safeguards in place to assure sustainability and integrity of the encyclopedia. Atsme📞📧 16:41, 25 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you for the kind words:) If you have not already done so, you might like to follow the other pages this issue spreadaccross, namely WP:KNPP & talk, WT:NPPAFC, andWikipedia talk:New pages patrol/Analysis and proposal. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:39, 26 June 2017 (UTC)[reply] Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates/spotted trunkfish An image created by you has been promoted to featured picture status Your image, File:Spotted Trunkfish.jpg, was nominated on Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates, gained a consensus of support, and has been promoted. If you would like to nominate an image, please do so at Wikipedia:Featured picture candidates. Thank you for your contribution! Armbrust The Homunculus 13:05, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] Congrats again, and having looked at the FPC page, I actually have a question that reflects my limited knowledge of photography: what does "high EV" mean? --Tryptofish (talk) 21:32, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Tryptofish - EV = Encyclopedic Value...it's a requirement for WP:FP candidates, but not for Commons FP candidates. They judge differently. Atsme📞📧 21:37, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] Oh, of course, and nothing to do with camera settings! If I weren't a fish already, I'd self-whale! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:41, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] And Tryp, I had the perfect template made for that, too -  Self-whale... for when a trout just isn't enough, as you already know, but reminders don't hurt considering the antsy trigger fingers of template deletionists which make the saying "use it or lose it" encyclopedic. I was hoping that my template creator would add the words "...when a trout just isn't enough." to the self-whale templateI figured it out, now done!20:24, 5 August 2017 (UTC) but I was happy and appreciative for the template he created. I will add that he did make the perfect template for Just curious... which included the emoji & dots... Atsme📞📧 22:35, 2 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Special Barnstar To Atsme, for your tireless and patient mentoring of me on the article Charmayne James in order to bring it to good article status. My first good article attempt. And also for your outstanding editing skills. There aren't enough words. Thank you! Awwww...how sweet of you Dawnleelynn. It truly was my pleasure. Atsme📞📧 22:49, 8 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] The Half Barnstar The Half Barnstar For cooperating so well with MrX on the article and talk page for Trump campaign–Russian meeting and for taking it with a good balance of grace and productivity, I award you the Right Half of the Barnstar! DARTHBOTTO talk•cont 20:53, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] 😂 My first!! Priceless...thank you, DarthBotto. You get the other half + a whole one!! Atsme📞📧 21:11, 22 July 2017 (UTC)[reply] Blessings Cite error: There are <ref> tags on this page without content in them (see the help page).قبل أسبوع ويوم الحسين عليه السلام عليكم ورحمة اللة الرحمن الرحيم السلام عليكم ورحمة اللة الرحمن الرحيم السلام عليكم ورحمة 🤔😆😇😘😇🤗😍😎😋😋😋😊😊😊😊😚🤗😘😇🎩📿💎💄💄📿📿📿👑👚👟👙🎒🎒🛍🛍👝👝👜👜👜❣❣💟💞💥💣💝👏👣👃👂✍✍✍🖎💅👐👀💪👪💏💏👬👈👊✊🖐🤘🙇👥👥👤🗣🙏🙏129.45.69.222 (talk) 12:18, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] (talk page stalker)Google translate gives "A week ago and the day of al - Hussein peace and mercy be upon you". Galobtter (talk) 12:34, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Galobtter Thank you for the translation. Atsme📞📧 20:39, 14 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Extremely rare award Dang, she's a beauty! PackMecEng (talk) 18:16, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] Yeah, but with a big nose! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:17, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] Tryp, I've heard that's far more desirable than small hands. Atsme📞📧 18:58, 14 June 2018 (UTC) [reply] Like --Tryptofish (talk) 19:36, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] Oh my!! I'm speechless, MONGO. Anybody know a good ghostwriter I can contract to write a speech for me? I'm too emotional to write it myself right now but I can dictate the parts I want expressed in my own words. Oh, and I prefer someone who won't turn on me 20 years from now. 🤣 God save the flag-wearing eagle!! 🤠 Atsme📞📧 18:29, 14 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] Just don't let the wackos drag you too deep into their cesspool of idiocy. If their system of government actually worked, the cities/municipalities and states where they are in charge would not all look like either a war zone or a poorly maintained boy scout jamboree tent city.MONGO 15:34, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] A barnstar for you! The Trump Barnstar Is hereby awarded for hugely contributing to articles relating to Donald Trump and his presidency. WikiProject Conservatism is a fun and friendly place for winners who enjoy making Wikipedia great again. – Lionel(talk) 09:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] Well deserved, Atsme. You've been a cool head and someone who is able to inject some good humor into moments where things could, or are ready to, blow apart with tempers and impatience on either side of a discussion at some highly charged talk pages, not just at the Donald Trump article. Thanks for recognizing her, Lionelt . -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 13:31, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply] Thank you so much, my WP friends. I am flattered, very appreciative of the kind words, and equally appreciative of your efforts in deflecting potential disruption by putting collegiality first when editing highly controversial political articles. I often visit the “Thought Grenades” at the top of my user page - it helps keep things in perspective. The world is experiencing a Trumpadigm shift, much of which has been a culture shock to the establishment, a wake-up call on a world-wide scale, and a welcome reversal to those who opposed the open border/global direction proposed by establishment elites who mistakenly believe they know what’s best for everyone, including how best to spend other people’s money. The compilation of Davy Crockett memos by Edward Ellis speaks volumes, as does this very telling email. Happy editing!!! Atsme📞📧 15:54, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Holidays and special occasions
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2015 Holiday Greetings +2016 New Year Greetings Happy Thanksgiving! A Thanksgiving turkey for you! Happy Thanksgiving! White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 16:22, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] How sweet!! Thank you!! I intend to make it the happiest Thanksgiving ever!! I say that every year and because of my spotty memory, each one is the happiest!!! Atsme📞📧 16:43, 25 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] Hope it was happy, now that it's mostly over!😃 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 02:53, 27 November 2015 (UTC)[reply] Happy Holidays! --Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 15:16, 10 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year Santa Claus and horses Merry Christmas and happy new year!🎄🎁🎉 White Arabian Filly (Neigh) 23:01, 14 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] happy holidays to you as well Season's Greetings File:Xmas Ornament.jpg To You and Yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 11:00, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Bzuk, and the same to you!! Atsme📞📧 19:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Season's Greetings! Use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message Beautiful!! Thank you, Northamerica1000 --Atsme📞📧 19:28, 20 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas Merry Christmas!! Hello, I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 16:12, 21 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Best wishes for the holidays... II you Season's Greetings Wishing you a Happy Holiday Season, and all best wishes for the New Year! Hafspajen (talk) 11:53, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Beautiful - thank you, Hafspajen. Greetings Wow - animated, too. Love it!! Thank you, Brandmeister. Merry Christmas Merry Christmas! I've been hearing from the elves that you've been a little worried about how Santa's list is looking for you. They say he's almost done with his second check, and so far it looks like you've hardly been naughty at all! Thanks for the work you do and the help and nice words that you have shared with me. You have brought joy into my work here. I wish you and your family a Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year Gandydancer (talk) 17:52, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] My thanks to you... ...for your card. I hope that you and yours have had, and will have, a good holiday, and a happy and productive New Year. BMK (talk) 20:38, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Wonderful holidays Merry Christmas and a happy New Year! --Tremonist (talk) 15:22, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Awwww...how sweet, Tremonist. Thank you!!! Atsme📞📧 15:35, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas Atsme! Popish Plot (talk) 20:34, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Back at ya, Popish - on your TP. Atsme📞📧 20:56, 23 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Season's Greetings Wishing you a Charlie Brown Charlie Russell Christmas! 🎄 Best wishes for your Christmas Is all you get from me 'Cause I ain't no Santa Claus Don't own no Christmas tree. But if wishes was health and money I'd fill your buck-skin poke Your doctor would go hungry An' you never would be broke." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1914. Montanabw(talk) Thank you, Montanabw. I imagine it's snowing where you are right now, so snuggle up by the fireplace and stay warm. I hear a fire in the fireplace is ok on Christmas Eve because Santa has an alternate route. 🎁 Atsme📞📧 20:37, 24 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Season's Greetings Season's Greetings A very happy holidays to you! --Godot13 (talk) 06:03, 25 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Best wishes for 2016 . . . Atsme, may you continue to make Wikipedia a better place in the New Year. Cheers. Dirtlawyer1 (talk) 04:42, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Auld Lang Syne brings back so many memories. 🎼 🎤 Thank you, Dirtlawyer1. I am ready for the countdown. 💃🍸🎉 Atsme📞📧 15:08, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Happy New Year, Atsme! Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. Thank you, Davey2010!! It was certainly happy last night!! Wishing you a happy and productive 2016!! Atsme📞📧 16:00, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] You're welcome :), Haha same here!, By Monday It'll all be back to normal & everyone will be miserable again , Thanks and I wish you a very Happy New Year too :) .... again! . –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 22:10, 1 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] Yo Ho Ho 2016 year of the reader and peace 2016 peace bell Thank you for your wishes, returned with my review, and the peace bell by Yunshui! --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:33, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] So sweet! Thank you, Gerda Arendt. You are such a special Wikipedian. Atsme📞📧 15:09, 31 December 2015 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! - Click on bell for the sound ;) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 11:09, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] Oh, wow! Beautiful sound. It resonates! Thanks, Gerda. Atsme📞📧 14:33, 2 January 2016 (UTC)[reply] 2016 Holiday & 2017 New Year Happy Easter! Happy Easter To celebrate Easter and the beginning of spring, here's a cute Easter bunny for you! White Arabian Filly Neigh Awww, how cute...thank you, White Arabian Filly and HAPPY EASTER to you, too!! Atsme📞📧 15:41, 26 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] Happy Easter! Happy Easter Happy Easter! And have a great day! Horsegeek(talk) 17:15, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Thank you, Horsegeek! I love bunnies that lay eggs!! Hope they're full of chocolate inside. Atsme📞📧 17:18, 27 March 2016 (UTC)[reply] Of course Atsme! 😋🍫 Horsegeek(talk) 17:21, 27 March 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Happy Fourth of July! Happy Fourth of July! Here's hoping you have a great Fourth of July! White Arabian Filly Neigh I'm wearing ear plugs and body armor. Times have changed!! *lol* Thank you for the well-wishes, White Arabian Filly!! Happy 4th Happy 4th! Hope your 4th is red white and blue! (With other colors too) Horsegeek(talk) 22:11, 3 July 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Thank you, Horsegeek - I'm enjoying the fireworks displays all around me while being thankful for the rains we just had, especially considering the expanse of my coastal hay fields - the same fields we haven't been able to cut because of all the rain. Atsme📞📧 02:50, 4 July 2016 (UTC)[reply] Halloween cheer! Thank you, Northamerica1000. I look forward to your cheers on holidays/occasions. They remind me what day it is!! Atsme📞📧 01:14, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Well, Halloween is already over on UTC time, but glad to provide the reminder! North America1000 01:42, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Halloween cheer! Sorry I was meant to have sent this last night, Late's better than never :P, Anyway a Happy Halloween :), –Davey2010Talk 12:30, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] I'm still wearing my Halloween costume so you're right - it's never too late!! Thank you for the cheers, Davey2010 Atsme📞📧 17:58, 1 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Thanksgiving! Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving with lots of good food and family! White Arabian Filly Neigh Ohhhh...how sweet!! Thank you, White Arabian Filly. I'm feeling a little homesick for our American traditions and above all missing my family, but it's hard to resist the beautiful sunrises and sunsets of this island. Wishing you & yours a very HAPPY THANKSGIVING!! Atsme📞📧 23:38, 23 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Island? That sounds interesting and exotic. I'm jealous! --Tryptofish (talk) 00:44, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Tryptofish, spreek je Nederlands? Dat doen we op Bonaire alsmede Papiamentu, en een Spaanse, en Engels. Atsme📞📧 02:43, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Mais non. Je parle Anglais très mal, bien sur, aussi un peu de Français. Je suis encore jaloux. Papiamentu? Formidable! --Tryptofish (talk) 22:42, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Tryptofish I think your English is great, and I'm impressed with your French. I'd be happy to give you a personal tour of the island as my honored guest if that will lift your spirits. As for Papiamentu, I can throw out a few sentences....Un buricu no ta un bestia bunita, ma tampoco un bestia mahos. And in closing, I can say without reservation, "Mi ta hari henter dia." Atsme📞📧 23:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] LOL! Don't hear Dutch spoken very often. (That is Dutch, right?) Horsegeek(talk) 04:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Yes it is - the perfect Google translate Dutch. Atsme📞📧 13:31, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] So I'm not the only Wikipedia editor who can't speak multiple languages?! 😊White Arabian Filly Neigh 15:45, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Totally not! I can speak Cantonese, and a bit of Vietnamese. Mostly on the understanding side though. So not perfect! Horsegeek(talk) 18:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Impressive!! Atsme📞📧 23:32, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] Gobble Gobble "Gobble. The gobble is a loud, rapid gurgling sound made by male turkeys. The gobble is one of the principal vocalizations of the male wild turkey and is used primarily in the spring to let hens know he is in the area." Happy Thanksgiving! Let's just say you've been gobbled. Horsegeek(talk) 18:04, 24 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Horsegeek, if I've been gobbled, it's probably because my wattle confused ole Tom. Hoping you had an amazing turkey day!! 😂 Atsme📞📧 23:06, 24 November 2016 (UTC)[reply] I hope you had a good one too! Though honestly, I had more ham than turkey Horsegeek(talk) 04:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Happy Holiday! Atsme, Happy Holiday/New Year!--Ozzie10aaaa (talk) 11:42, 7 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Hi, Ozzie10aaaa - thank you so much for the beautiful wishes! I will reciprocate in kind by wishing you and yours a joyous and merry Christmas and a Happy New Year as we near the close of 2016. I pray we'll be around to celebrate many more!! Atsme📞📧 16:57, 10 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Neigh Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! Merry Christmas! Have a safe Christmas! Horsegeek(talk) 17:17, 16 December 2016 (UTC)Horsegeek[reply] Season's Greetings Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message Thank you, Northamerica1000. Your greeting is as close as I'll be getting to snow this holiday season. It's a nice time of the year, at any rate. Hope you and yours have a happy 2017! North America1000 16:38, 18 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas Merry Christmas Atsme!! Hi Atsme, I wish you and your family a very Merry Christmas and a very Happy New Year, Thanks for all your help on the 'pedia!    –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 01:41, 22 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Holiday card Wishing you a Charlie Russell Christmas, Atsme! "Here's hoping that the worst end of your trail is behind you That Dad Time be your friend from here to the end And sickness nor sorrow don't find you." —C.M. Russell, Christmas greeting 1926. Montanabw(talk) 23 December 2016 (UTC) Thank you, Montanabw, I'm looking forward to seeing some really kewl racetrack pictures!! Atsme📞📧 23:34, 23 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Muhammad Ali Hi Atsme, could I get some feedback or assistance from you on how to convert Muhammad Ali into a GA article? Please note that there are some regulars who have been contributing to this article, and if you decide to get involved personally, it might help if you comment on the talk page of this article. Thank you. Soham321 (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] and a very merry christmas and happy new year to you. Soham321 (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Hi Soham321, I'm happy to help. Will give it a look tomorrow. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you, too!! May your holidays be filled with many blessings! Atsme📞📧 02:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas 2016 --Tito Dutta (talk) 15:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Happy Holidays Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message I know this is terribly lazy, but there is so much else to do! A good one to you and yours! Samsara 15:54, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Yet another Merry Rexxmas --RexxS (talk) 16:12, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Oi!, Marine Boy, me ol' china ... Season's Greetings Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings}} to send this message Season's greetings Hi Atsme, many thanks for the card, and a very Merry Christmas to you too. Best, SarahSV (talk) 17:02, 24 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Yo Ho Ho Merry, merry! From the icy Canajian north; to you and yours! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 19:51, 24 December 2016 (UTC) [reply] Seasons Greetings! Spread the WikiLove; use {{subst:Season's Greetings1}} to send this message Holiday Greetings! Atsme Merry Christmas & Happy New Year! Thank you for helping make Wikipedia a better place. Blessings. May we all have peace in the coming year. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 15:08, 26 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] Belated Holiday Greetings Merry... uh, well, I guess Christmas! My apologies for not reaching you sooner; I've been on a three week break for some reason. Hence, let me belatedly thank you for your thoughts this holiday season; I am very grateful for the thought, and I sincerely appreciate the gesture. Allow me to wish you and your loved ones a happy (remainder of the) holiday season, and a prosperous year to come. :) Colonel Wilhelm Klink (Complaints|Mistakes) 21:49, 27 December 2016 (UTC)[reply] 2017 Holiday Greetings & 2018 New Year Happy happy! Beautiful picture, Northamerica1000. Thank you, and HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!!! My kindest & warmest wishes to you & yours with hopes for a prosperous and peaceful new year. Atsme📞📧 14:16, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy New Year, Atsme!    Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. Thank you, Davey2010 - can you believe another year just passed us by? Wow...I hope we can celebrate many, many more!!! HAPPY NEW YEAR TO YOU!!! 🎉🎈🍾🍸 Atsme📞📧 14:13, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] You're welcome, I know eh 2016 had gone too quick but in the end It was a crap year so kinda glad it did fly by! :), Arr thanks and I too hope we celebrate many more!!!, I hope you and your family have a very Happy and Healthy New Year :), –Davey2010 Merry Xmas / Happy New Year 16:03, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy New Year Happy New Year! Hello Atsme: Thanks for all of your contributions to Wikipedia, and have a great New Year! Cheers, CAPTAIN RAJU (✉) 21:38, 1 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year snowman}} to people's talk pages with a friendly message. CAPTAIN RAJU - thank you!!! Happy New Year to you!! May all your wishes for 2017 come true!!! Atsme📞📧 00:42, 3 January 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy Easter! Happy Easter To celebrate Easter and the beginning of spring, here's a cute Easter bunny for you! White Arabian Filly Neigh 20:57, 16 April 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you White Arabian Filly. I hope you had a Blessed holiday, too!! Atsme📞📧 02:53, 17 April 2017 (UTC)[reply] Halloween cheer! Thank you, Northamerica1000 - I'm looking forward to all the Skittles & Snickers bars the kids will be bringing home!! Atsme📞📧 00:41, 27 October 2017 (UTC)[reply] Halloween cheer! Thank you, Adityavagarwal - such sweet words. I'm still eating Halloween candy, so that's a one-day holiday that keeps on giving!! Atsme📞📧 15:00, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Enjoy the candy! :D It is awesome that despite the halloween being finished, your candies are not. I am taking a few candies from you, as it is not over yet, and i also love to eat them! :) Adityavagarwal (talk) 16:20, 5 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy thanksgiving –Davey2010Talk has given you a Turkey! Turkeys promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a turkey, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy Thanksgiving! Spread the goodness of turkey by adding {{Thanksgiving Turkey}} to their talk page with a friendly message. YUMMY!! I'm thinking Cajun this year. 🦃 Atsme📞📧 21:02, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy Thanksgiving! Happy Thanksgiving! Wishing you a wonderful Thanksgiving with lots of good food and family! White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:42, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, WAF!!! Tomorrow is going to be a fun day for us!! Hope it is for you, too!! Atsme📞📧 22:48, 22 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy Turkey Day Happy Thanksgiving! Hope you are having a wonderful Thanksgiving Holiday with your family and friends! dawnleelynn(talk) 20:54, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Great times! Thank you, Dawn!! Atsme📞📧 16:07, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy turkey day Yes indeed it is!! Thanks, NA1000!! Fun times! Atsme📞📧 16:08, 24 November 2017 (UTC)[reply] Holiday Cheer + a barnstar The Happy Holiday Barnstar How about combining a Barnstar with a Christmas Card? That is why this message is appearing on your talk page. Simultaneously and at the same time, this barnstar is conferred upon you because during this past year you worked and contributed your time to improve the encyclopedia. You also have received far too little recognition for your contributions. In addition, this is a small attempt at spreading holiday cheer. I've appreciated all the things that you have done for me. The Best of Regards, Barbara (WVS) ✐  ✉ and Merry Christmas 01:01, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Love this, Barb!! Thank you! Atsme📞📧 16:30, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy Saturnalia! Happy Saturnalia Wishing you and yours a Happy Holiday Season, from the horse and bishop person. May the year ahead be productive and troll-free and you not often get distracted by dice-playing. Ealdgyth - Talk 13:58, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Love the uniqueness of your holiday wishes! Thank you, Ealdgyth! Atsme📞📧 16:29, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! Merry Christmas Hoping you stay warm and have lots of good times and good food this holiday season! White Arabian Filly Neigh 22:06, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, WAF!! We'll probably have the cold without the snow (as usual) but it promises to be another wonderful Christmas to remember! Atsme📞📧 16:27, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] No fancy template... Atsme, but just but to wish you happy holidays and all the best for 2018. It's probably a lot warmer where I am than where you are 😎 Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 02:44, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Awwwe, Kudz - thank you! The well wishes themselves are what make the holidays happy, not the templates they come in. Add to that, the holiday music and watching Miracle on 34th Street, and I get so santa-mental. Atsme📞📧 04:48, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Season's greetings Hi Atsme, thank you for the lovely card. I would never have guessed that it was a Christmas tree worm! They're beautiful. Anyway, Merry Christmas to you and wishing you all the best for the New Year. SarahSV (talk) 22:17, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you! Imagine...3 more sleeps, SV - and I've become duly dutifully santamental... 🤶🎁🎉🎊 🥂🍾 Atsme📞📧 00:38, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! Wish you a Merry Christmas and a prosperous New Year 2018! A very Happy, Glorious, Prosperous Christmas and New Year! God bless!  — Adityavagarwal (talk) 17:09, 22 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Adityavagarwal - I can almost hear the jingle bells on Santa's sleigh! The sound keeps getting closer! Atsme📞📧 16:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Ho ho! That is awesome. Adityavagarwal (talk) 08:51, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! Looks like that picture will be as close as I'll be getting to snow this year! Thanks, Davey!! Buckle up for 2018!! Atsme📞📧 16:31, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Seasons' Greetings ...to you and yours, from the Great White North! FWiW Bzuk (talk) 16:45, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] What a surprise!! So happy to meet your acquaintance Bzuk. There are several parallels in the adventures we've experienced in life. I reciprocated on your TP. Atsme📞📧 19:24, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! Hello, Atsme! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! CAPTAIN RAJU(T) 20:46, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}} Thank you, CAPTAIN RAJU!!! You have been a staple in AfD listings and relists. Thank you again!! Atsme📞📧 21:03, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas! Hello, Atsme! Thank you for your work to maintain and improve Wikipedia! Wishing you a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year! ―Buster7 ☎ 22:25, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Spread the WikiLove and leave other users this message by adding {{subst:Multi-language Season's Greetings}} Thank you, Buster7 - wishing you & your loved ones a Blessed and Merry Christmas, and may the New Year reward you with success, happiness and harmony. Atsme📞📧 05:25, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Merry Christmas and Happy New Year! Merry Christmas! Wishing you warmth and joy throughout this holiday season and a very Happy New Year! -dawnleelynn(talk) 22:29, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Dawnleelynn!! Hoping 2018 will be a fun and productive New Year for us all!! Atsme📞📧 05:36, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] HH! Happy Holidays! Happy New Year! Thinking of you and wishing you good health and happiness. --Rosiestep (talk) 23:23, 23 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Awww, thank you Rosiestep!! Hope Santa brings you everything you wished for, and that the New Year rewards your efforts with much success and happiness!! Atsme📞📧 05:33, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Yet another Merry Rexxmas 2018 --RexxS (talk) 01:31, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] LOL* Love it, RexxS - thank you! Wishing you & yours much happiness, and that 2018 will be a prosperous one!! Atsme📞📧 05:42, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Nadolig Llawen a Blwyddyn Newydd Dda Yo Ho Ho ϢereSpielChequers 18:29, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] HNY Happy New Year! Best wishes for 2018, —PaleoNeonate – 14:20, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] 2018‼️ WooHoo‼️ 🎉🥂🍾 Thank you, PaleoNeonate! Wishing you a happy & prosperous New Year! Atsme📞📧 15:45, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Happy new year to you too Paleo. :) —usernamekiran(talk) 18:33, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Thank you, Kiran - have fun Sunday night at countdown and party like a rock star!!! Atsme📞📧 18:47, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] oh hey Atsme! Didnt see you there. You too, have a great new year. Naa, nothing different for me at all, just another day like every other day. Well, except for the TV shows. They have many special programs on 31st. —usernamekiran(talk) 18:51, 29 December 2017 (UTC)[reply] Blwyddyn Newydd Dda Thank you, Martin!! And wherever you may be performing or traveling - BE SAFE!! Thank you for all you do and have done. May our 2018 be even more productive and inspiring than last year!! Atsme📞📧 00:09, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply] Happy New Year, Atsme!    Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year fireworks}} to user talk pages. Thank you Davey2010, you never fail to make me smile!! Wishing you and yours a happy & prosperous NEW YEAR!!! Atsme📞📧 01:30, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply] Happy New Year! – Send New Year cheer by adding {{subst:Happy New Year}} to user talk pages. Oh my! What a beautiful card, Na1000 - ❤❤❤ - Happy New Year to you!!! Atsme📞📧 14:34, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Precious

Three years!

Had to be OTD ;) - card improved but still needs more decoration, look at Puer natus est nobis --Gerda Arendt (talk) 08:02, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

• Gerda Arendt, thank you sweetie pie. I love your "Precious" gems. Just one question - in 2014, you adorned my page with the 3 yr. precious gem. Has time stood still? *lol* ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:16, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I am perhaps too brief: in 2014 I found you precious, still on this page, but collapsed, therefore I sent the reminder that it was three years ago. It's forever ;) - Did Texas see my green heart? (There will more tomorrow, but a start is made.) --Gerda Arendt (talk) 17:22, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Ohhhh...now I understand. Love it even more. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:27, 24 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Atsme, How can I help you? Cheers,· · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 16:33, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi, Peter! My last exposure to rebreathers was on my little island of Bonaire - I attended a rebreather demonstration (can't remember what year but maybe around 2005ish). I remember Jean-Michel Cousteau was on-island, but can't remember if he was the host of the demo or just staying at Buddy Dive...or it could have been Captain Don's Habitat...again, memory fails me...plus it was after the Rum Punch party, which is what I remember most because of the fun and dancing. What I do remember is not trusting my ability to keep up with the maintenance of a RB. I also did not venture into tech diving although my ex-significant other was all into deep diving and high flying, but not at the same time. My red line was drawn just north of operating lights and underwater housings for various cameras while still being able to check my computer (PSI, time left at depth), and remembering I was at least 50 to 75 ft. underwater. Like most others, I've heard the horror stories of rebreathers but the most compelling argument for me (on the plus side) was "no bubbles" which was paramount to u/w photography, so my curiosity never really waned. Soooo....what has changed over the past 20 years? I am most interested in cost & ease of maintenance, the products used, and cost of equipment. I'll be using it primarily on Bonaire which is still a NITROX dominate dive location. I've had 3 rather disconcerting episodes of skin bends, the 2nd of which required O2 but nothing in a deco chamber, so I limit my dives to 50 ft max., every two days if that much. ^{Atsme📞📧} 19:04, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

An SCR without electronics is relatively simple to maintain, and there is less to go wrong, but it can still kill you without warning in some types of failure, so if you choose to go this route, it should be with a clear understanding of the risk. I don't know what units are currently on the market. My personal experience is with Draeger Ray and Draeger Dolphin, both of which seem to be off the market. Both of these are constant mass flow systems, which are pretty safe unless the orifice blocks, and the orifice is a tiny hole which is easy to block if there is any dirt in the gas supply line. Adding an oxygen monitoring system allows a warning if this happens, but costs in complexity and maintenance, also money. There are quite a number of military SCR's around, but I have never actually seen or handled one. They are pretty reliable when managed according to SOP, which means well maintained and set up by trained staff. At present I don't use a breather because I am almost always mapping, and OC just less hassle and adequate for the purpose. My most frequent current dive buddy is a bit of an equipment tinkerer and shifts among two modified ECCRs, OC sidemount and OC backmount with no obvious pattern. He has not managed to kill himself yet, but has had a bad CO2 hit as a result of an incorrectly installed scrubber, in spite of an obligatory 5 minute prebreathe and all systems checked out as good. A good bailout valve saved him on that occasion. I once had a loop flood which led to a scrubber breakthrough and high CO2, but it was gradual, and I bailed out early, so was an inconvenience rather than a catastrophe.

SCR will produce some bubbles, but far less than OC, and quiet. For photography of skittish animals they are a significant step up from OC. Your 50 foot limit makes things a bit less risky in general, as there should be adequate gas in the tank for bailout to OC, and you can run a fairly rich mix.

SCR is generally heavier and more bulky than a single Al80, which is the standard vacation rig. This may be a problem, depending on the user, and how you plan to get it to the water. There is a bit of a learning curve for buoyancy control, but with your experience, it should not take long. No worse than with a dry suit, but a bit different.

Travelling can be a bit of an issue. Many destinations will not have the right size cylinder, or the right connections. If they are set up for breathers, it may not be a problem.

Most of the development recently has been in CCRs. They are becoming more reliable and more idiot-resistant, and in parallel, more idiots are probably using them. It is a bit of a race. Fatality figures are not changing by orders of magnitude, and are still significantly higher than for OC. Most fatalities still appear to be due to user error. A bit like guns and cars, but less likely to kill someone else.

So, bottom line. If there is something available that fits you comfortably, and you are willing to be quite meticulous in maintenance, setup and pre-dive checks. an SCR should be good for the depths you want and for the photography. · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 09:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you, Peter - good info to know. Might have to arrange for you to give a presentation on Bonaire some day. I remember well what all was involved in preparation for a dive when I was producing the web promos for the Aggressor Fleet - particularly, the Okeanos Aggressor. We were anchored off Cocos Island (2 day boat trip from Costa Rica) when, during our stay, the ship's dive master announced that the hammerheads were circling the cleaning station and to don our gear. I made haste - quickly grabbed my video camera, put it in the u/w housing that was at the charging station, donned my scuba gear, and did a long stride into the water from the aft platform. The swift current swept me to the anchor line, and I (luckily) grabbed hold of it to make the decent. It wasn't until I was at 90 ft. and had found the perfect spot to record that I realized my housing was full of seawater. In my haste, I had forgotten to put the o-ring screw back on the housing after charging. Ugh!! There is so much prep just getting the camera equipment ready that I'd rather not take on any additional prep or maintenance, especially if it involves life support. Camera gear plus the bulk of a CCR and all that goes into the pre-checks, makes me think that's a job I'm simply not equipped to handle. I dive NITROX in an 80cf steel which gives me anywhere from 90 to 120 min u/w depending on depth. When I dive deeper than 50 ft., I'll have a hang tank with at least 40% O2 to off-gas (because of my prior skin bends episodes). If we're far offshore, I will keep using the O2 on board until we get back to shore. So far, that has worked well for me. I noticed that of late, I am now enjoying more of the underwater world while living vicariously through the divers on the production crew of The Blue Planet. I used a mini-rov on the Great Lakes in one of my productions, (thanks to NOAA), but what The Blue Planet crews have done is absolutely phenomenal. Maybe in another lifetime I'll be able to experience a small portion of it. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:04, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Has anyone not flooded a camera housing? I have also neglected to fit the O-ring. I found out at 18m, but the camera is an Olympus TG-3, so it just needed a rinse with freshwater. All my other floods were with all O-rings in place and not easily explained. The predive tests of a rebreather are supposed to detect any inadvertent assembly errors, like leaving out O-rings, but as my buddy found out, they don't always work as intended.

The world is too big to see it all. I have restricteded my ambitions to see those parts I can access at affordable cost, and to dive once a week on average. Occasionally I get lucky, and get to visit other places or dive more frequently. Like you, I get to see the more exotic places on video. Good old Attenborough. What a job! Cheers, · · · Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 03:29, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think the lede of Belle Meade, Tennessee needs to be expanded please?Zigzig20s (talk) 22:01, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's not a lede - that's a 5-short-sentence paragraph, typical of what one would hear upon input of the address in a GPS device such as Google directions on a smart phone. I'll see what I can do with it over the weekend. ^{Atsme📞📧} 22:26, 15 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Could you please take a look at this lede too? There may be too much about alumni and not enough about the history, where I have added more referenced content.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And if you can find a way to remove the self-published sources from the lede (which is usually not referenced anyway), that would help. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please ping me when you've done both. Much appreciated!Zigzig20s (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zigzig20s - not easy finding independent sources - may take a while. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About Belle Meade or VU? Both are referenced, although the latter is still very self-published. We have the same problem with Columbia University.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think [::Could you please take a look at this lede too? There may be too much about alumni and not enough about the history, where I have added more referenced content.Zigzig20s (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And if you can find a way to remove the self-published sources from the lede (which is usually not referenced anyway), that would help. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 23:27, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please ping me when you've done both. Much appreciated!Zigzig20s (talk) 01:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zigzig20s - not easy finding independent sources - may take a while. ^{Atsme📞📧} 02:09, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

About Belle Meade or VU? Both are referenced, although the latter is still very self-published. We have the same problem with Columbia University.Zigzig20s (talk) 02:10, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Do you think this is advertising or not please?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zigzig20s - sorry for the delay but the weekend was hectic and I'm slow start today. Re: your question - not quite advertising but WP:PUFF, yes. It could be phrased differently if it's to be included at all. this is advertising] or not please?Zigzig20s (talk) 16:51, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Zigzig20s - sorry for the delay but the weekend was hectic and today is Monday. Re: your question - it's not quite advertising but it is WP:PUFF. I was unable to find more than that one source that ranked Franklin at all, much less ranking it #4, and the cited source was not CNN; rather, it was Time, and the section is published in Partnership with realtor.com so it does not qualify as a RS. I also see where that passage was reverted, as it should have been. I think the whole paragraph needs to be phrased differently....perhaps something along the line of... From 1940—2010, Franklin experienced substantial surges in overall population and economic growth as a result of its close proximity to Nashville. In 2000, the growth rate surged to 108.19%, followed by a decade of fluctuating declines, leveling off in 2011 to 2.36% with minor annual fluctuations until 2017 which showed an increase to 4.87%." ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:39, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I was about to edit the page to include more paragraphs and the award table. I wanted to save the page first, then edit later. Furthermore, it has 24 wins and 85 nominations, which is pretty much notable for a standalone page. Daerl (talk) 13:23, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

@Atsme:, I have expanded the award page, would that be alright now? I did not think it would be that much of a problem, especially considering we have similar pages for Hacksaw Ridge and Steve Jobs. Daerl (talk) 13:52, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Daerl - thank you for bringing the other 2 articles to my attention. I now see there is a WikiProject Film/Film awards task force. I’m not quite sure a separate list article for accolades passes WP:NOT since the very nature of accolades is puffery and promotion. I have asked DGG for his input. I encourage you to continue your good work as I will not revert your reverted redirect, but it is still best to get input from DGG and perhaps others, just to be on the safe side. ^{Atsme📞📧} 14:18, 17 June 2018 (UTC) ^{underlined add-on 18:41, 17 June 2018 (UTC)}[reply]

It some cases we may need to do it, because ofthe size of the article. I do not think we should otherwise. But including them is `ec content if they are sigificant awards, and in some fields the standards for that can be rather loose. Just like with notability details, my personal tendency is to let fields I do not have a primary interest in continue their established patterns , hoping that they'll do the same for the ones I'm concerned about. Otherwise theere would be too many arguments--I consider the sort of content included in some other fields articles ridicuous, but I can't challenge everyone and I can't clean up everything. I will however look at these instances. DGG ( talk ) 15:27, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, DGG - my concern is that the columns in RS are typically involved in the entertainment business so I question the independent source qualification, but that's borderline. As we all know, celebrity tends to be considered notable well beyond what is considered encyclopedic. Being famous for discovering a cure for cancer is encyclopedic whereas a list of people pretending to be something they're not and getting overpaid for it and then receiving awards for it is not what I consider encyclopedic - it's great for fan club sources but an encyclopedia? Meh. Also, the awards are already mentioned in the respective BLP's of the recipients. I'm only one iVote so I'll leave it with you. ^{Atsme📞📧} 15:42, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

There are a great many subjects where there is no clear boundary between encyclopedic information and promotion. And we do cover the promotional parts of the world, too, albeit in an encyclopedic manner--so there are necessarily going to be fluid boundries.There arefields of entertainment where this is much worse than cinema. I don't consider "Being famous for discovering a cure for cancer is encyclopedic whereas a list of people pretending to be something they're not" to be sensible. No person yet has discovered a cure for cancer as an absolute, and the nature of the problem makes me think nobody every will. People have made thousands of small contributions to the knowledge of cell biology, and their encyclopedic significnace depends somewhat on what the steps were, and somewhat on what the steps led to. Most of them taken indicvidually are a very small contribution to human welfare as compared to the any important work of artistic creativity. As for what people in general areconcerned with, peoplein general areconcerned with the activities of other people, and have an immense curiosity about them. Human society is based on this in real life, and in particular on tho opprotunity for increased interaction made possible in human evolution by the development of facial expressivity and of language. People prepare for real life -- and escape the limits of their own real life--through fiction. People are mostly interested in even sicentific biographies not for the science, but for the biography--the fascination with someone like Einstein or Darwin or Watson is the same as the fascination with a performer--what could have given them the ability to do these extrordinary things. I can easily go on with this for hours.

As for the specifics. The facts of the awards of RS beyond question as widely reported objective facts. That the people or films may have won the awards because of publicity is not really issue in sourcing--the fact is they did win them. That the voting is influenced by publicity campaigns is also true, and needs to be discussed in the context of the individualawards, for a great deal is known about the publicty campagns for major filsm, and their relationship to specific awards. I think our coverage here is, if anything, superficial. There can be a concern about what awards are considered important enough. The major ones are in the bios of the subjects, ut onot the ones of medium imporyance. Possibly, we may need to consider to what level we want to go, and for what level of film we want the splits. Present usage is inconsistent. Yjr weakness of Wikipedia here is both in that it depends on the interests of the writers, and second, that there are is no rule that says the amount of space devoted to a subject, once it is clear that it is notable, or to aspect of a subject, is to be proportionate to its importance. I find that aburd, as absurd as the fact that to the extent we have a rule it depends , just like notability itself, on the amount of coverage, not the importance. Back to my film for the evening; I have a new bio of Darwin, but that's not what I want just now. DGG ( talk ) 01:50, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sort-of back, though I don't know for how long. Figured you'd want to know, since you seemed worried at talk that something may have happened to me. Nothing did, I just got really sick of WP and un-bookmarked it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 16:43, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh of relief with full understanding. Suggestion - spend some time on Commons, and participate in the FPC submissions. ^{Atsme📞📧} 16:54, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Probably some good advice, there. For what it's worth, the yes-it's-actually-in-my-will announcement on all my online accounts that would be forthcoming were I to die unexpectedly would likely cause quite a shitstorm, and leave most Wikipedians who like me too busy laughing in schadenfreude at a certain group to be too upset over it. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:03, 18 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello again. Would you be interesting in expanding the lede of Outstanding American by Choice please? It would involve doing a bit of research in terms of when it was started, whose idea it was, how many awards have been given, etc. Please ping me when you reply. Thanks!Zigzig20s (talk) 09:09, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. I have figured it out.Zigzig20s (talk) 09:41, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The feedback request service is asking for participation in this request for comment on Wikipedia:Requests for comment/Enforceability of logged voluntary editing restrictions. Legobot (talk) 04:28, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Lionelt has given you a delicious Chick-Fil-A sammie for finding the Newsweek article at Presidency of Donald Trump. You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else a delicious Chick-Fil-A sammie! Enjoy! – Lionel(talk) 06:36, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yummy!! Breakfast!!! Thank you, Lionel. ^{Atsme📞📧} 10:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hi Atsme. I'm sorry to have to bring this to your attention. Over the past several months I have observed behavior from you that I believe is at odds with the community's expectations, and what is usually tolerated. I have lost count of the number of editors and admins who have tried to get you to stop using article talk pages as forums for discussion about other subjects, media bias, clickbait, propaganda and the like, as you did here, here, here, here, here, here, and here. I had hoped that quietly hatting your reflections about Barack Obama on the Donald Trump talk page would have had given you the hint that this type of behavior is disruptive, but I see that I was mistaken.[1] To avoid any ambiguity, the conduct I'm referring to is described in WP:TALKNO, WP:NOTFORUM, WP:FILIBUSTER, WP:IDIDNTHEARTHAT, WP:POVFIGHTER, WP:REHASH, WP:SOAPBOX, WP:ARBAP#Final decision, and WP:ARBAP2#Final decision.

Please consider this a final request to stop disrupting article talk page discussions. Article talk pages are for discussing specific edits to the articles they are attached to.- MrX 🖋 12:26, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

This was an interesting read over my morning coffee. Almost as occasionally ironic as the Family Circus or Beetle Bailey comic strips could be (also read over morning coffee), and certainly as humorous. Unlike those comic strips though, the repeated installments of this talkpage Wiki-humor seems to have no end. Ah, well. Going back to concentrating on the java now. <insert cartoon laugh emoji here> -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 14:07, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The Obama (and Hillary Clinton) articles are FAs...in any effort to find a path to meet similar expectations, some comparative analysis between the FA articles on Obama/Clinton and the horrid and sordid mess that is the Trump article is not only necessary, it is nearly mandatory. Likewise, comparing coverage of past Presidents is fine if it helps us put things in perspective now with the current one.MONGO 15:08, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MrX hatted the Atsme's comment but left his own "Bullshit" comment with embedded link to an unreliable Youtube clip? That's cute.MONGO 15:12, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I looked at each of the diffs in MrX's post above. It looks to me like there are plenty of toxic comments on both "sides", no surprise there. But Atsme, I do have a problem with at least one part of some of your comments: the contention that it is somehow unfair to cover the controversies about the alleged relationship of religious bias to the travel ban, because Obama also took actions against terrorism arising in the Middle East. It's a false equivalency. There is no question that reliable sources report that Trump has expressed support for banning travelers based on being Muslim – whether or not one thinks that he is actually biased or just trying to address national security, whether or not one thinks that his campaign comments have anything to do with his in-office policies, and whether or not one agrees with the Supreme Court decision. On the other hand, there is also no question that reliable sources have never documented Obama expressing support for banning travelers based on being Muslim, while there is plenty of reliable sourcing indicating that Obama has said that he would oppose doing so. So, just calling it down the middle per NPOV (and you know of course what my personal opinions are), that kind of argument is unhelpful in making content decisions on WP. And to argue that the false equivalency is useful in making the page an FA is plainly incorrect. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not sure anyone said anything about a false equivalency being useful for FA. The point is any FA on any similar topic is useful as a template overall for articles no where near FA which I have done several times when I worked on FAs. (I confess this has been helpful at least for me.)MONGO 17:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I agree that similar FAs are useful in that way. What I am saying is that arguing that: because the Obama page is an FA and it does not include content about him wanting to travel ban Muslims, so to make the Trump page an FA it too should not include such content – that's a weak argument. When you commented about comparative analysis, it sounded like you were saying that any of the Obama comparisons in Atsme's comments were useful in that way. --Tryptofish (talk) 17:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I just went through a harrowing ordeal this morning with a very angry raccoon in a trap on my porch, and just now sat down to unwind with my first cup of morning coffee when I logged on to find these unfounded PAs against me by MrX. I am dismayed but not surprised by his appalling behavior toward me considering this diff, and more recently on the Trump TP, his POV about the travel ban and omission of material that provides clarity, followed by his response to another editor calling it "bullshit".

There are plenty of other diffs just like those to demonstrate BATTLEGROUND and INCIVILITY by MrX toward editors who oppose his POV, but unlike what he just did to me using diffs that do not support his aspersions, I am going to extend him the courtesy of not listing them now. As for the diffs MrX provided above - specifically the most recent about the travel ban, and the older discussions between myself and MjolnirPants, this diff speaks volumes.

I won't waste valuable time going over each diff individually but will if needed. For now I'm pinging NeilN to advise him of the chilling effect of MrX's aspersions, and to please advise MrX to cease and desist from such behavior. Content disputes have nothing to do with behavior, unlike the behavior MrX has exhibited in the diffs I provided above - and there are plenty more if additional evidence is needed. It is hard enough to work under DS restrictions that are already in place on those articles without having to deal with unfounded threats and unsupported allegations by MrX.

MrX hatted my argument and evidence, and his only basis for doing so was WP:IDONTLIKEIT. The following diffs demonstrate my participation in the discussion about the SCOTUS decision on the travel ban, and the clarity I felt was needed but was omitted for no good reason - see TALK:Donald Trump#Travel ban:

1. my iVote was a "conditional oppose" and proposal of what I felt was needed;
2. added that I was ok with it being in the body text not the lede
3. MrX's POV about Trump's intentions. (his bullshit comment was part of that discussion)
4. my response to MrX's comment about Trump's "intentions", and included a RS
5. Politifact article I used.

Tryptofish - you know full well how the discussion between Mpants and I ended yet you are still of the mind to say my comments were "toxic"? Do you not remember this? It is easy to collect diffs of debates and pretend it's disruptive as what MrX just attempted to do. I'm not going to argue about his aspersions against me and other editors while he conflates content disputes with incivility. I will admit to getting out of character once regarding FLOTUS - but it was on a user's TP and the topic was so ridiculous that my normal politeness escaped me for a moment but only after I was wrongly accused of casting aspersions. There's only so much a person can take - I actually used the word "hell" in that discussion. ^{And said 20 Acts of contrition for it. 20:23, 27 June 2018 (UTC)} MrX's generalizations in the diffs he provided are another of his attempts to prove misbehavior like what he has done with other editors who oppose his POV - this is about MrX systematically getting rid of his opposition, threatening them and making them afraid to edit for fear of being taken to AE - and all because he isn't getting his way as often as he'd like, and his comments prove he is disgruntled over it. His proposals and edits have not been gaining consensus the way he'd like for them to because other editors are actually providing sound reasoning & evidence in opposition - and that's why he chose to hat my discussion. He does not want that material in the article. And Tryp - your criticism about the religious aspects appears to be a misinterpretation on your part and that is not helpful to this discussion. Again - my iVote was a (conditional) Oppose - so please read more of that discussion before criticizing me over something I didn't do. If you're going to specifically call my comments toxic, please quote what I said that you believe to be "toxic", and I will gladly apologize and try to avoid doing it in the future. I'm not seeing it in any of those diffs. ^{Atsme📞📧} 17:52, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Honestly, I think that it- Hey, look! Puppies! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 17:58, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for making me waste 10 minutes at work, I could of been doing something useful like being snarky somewhere! PackMecEng (talk) 19:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You're welcome! ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:06, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I totally get it how something like that racoon can make someone's day miserable. Sorry that happened. I did not intend to call your comments "toxic", so I apologize if that's what it sounded like. My remark about "toxic" was about the entire topic area, intended to indicate that lots of editors were at fault and no one should think that, somehow, you were the trouble-maker. Beyond that, we can discuss this more when things are calmer. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:00, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tryp - she was obviously a nursing momma, which melted my heart. I instructed my ranch hands to be careful with her, and to release her at the back of the ranch by the creek. Poor thing - she fought all the way. I'm confident that she'll find her way back to her babies. I just hope the experience will keep her from coming back. I've also made arrangements for a different style of outside container system to avoid waking-up in the wee hours to a menagerie of wild animals feasting on my back porch. 🤯 ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:04, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I remember once a long time ago that a rabid racoon got into the back yard of my parents' house – no fun there either, but obviously for a different reason. Maybe you could hire those scary clowns in the photo above, to stay outside your house, to scare critters away, and probably scare a lot of people too! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, its a hot topic arena and some play nicer than others...no one there is likely entirely innocent so I think of Romans 2:1 --MONGO 18:05, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I googled Romans 2:1 to see what it says, and the page that came up first for me had a picture of a woman wearing a hijab as, apparently, the web page author. There must be some kind of message in there. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:09, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I'm going to think of the cute little puppies that whistle britches linked to - laughter and cuteness are good medicine - but please, I pray that no one keeps a diff of my comment here as evidence that I support fringe or alt med. 🙀 ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:11, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

See that everyone? Atsme supports fringe and alt med! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, I'm already working on my topic ban request at AE... You should have shown more respect to WP:FRINGE.

Seriously guys, the fighting is the problem, not a symptom of the problem. Stop the fighting and WHAMMO! American Politics is a fun topic to edit in again. So seriously, to everyone who hasn't already taken my advice: Go watch some puppy vids. We have drama boards for a reason: If it's not worth taking there, it's not worth saying anything about. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:15, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the smiles!! This is how I want my TP to be all the time...a happy place!!! ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

MPants at work, the fighting is silly all around really, but inevitable when there are virtual SPAs that are here to do little more than find out ways to make Trump look as bad as possible, and much of that borders on BLP violations. One should think before they edit: do I dislike this person or their agenda so much that it will impact my ability to be neutral...and if the answer to that is yes, then they should find a new playground. BLP is not negotiable and while including the bad and the good is important, violating UNDUE and COATRACK is also policy/guideline violating. I really see no reason why these articles should suffer the immediacy of relying solely on current events headlines and craftily worded "news". A slow, deliberate quest to improve the articles should be the norm. I mean even if some find the subject reprehensible, they can rise above that by at least trying to be neutral, or they can vent their frustrations at some blog somewhere.--MONGO 22:29, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Why are you not talking about PUPPIES?!?! They're far more important than this crap. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 22:38, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please don't tell the puppies this, because I wouldn't want to worry them, but there are just as many SPAs who want to make Trump look as good as possible. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:26, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Not that it really matters Atsme, but I'm disappointed that you see no fault in your participation in article talk page discussions, and at the same time, accuse me of making "unsupported allegations" (even though I provided diffs). Shame on you for claiming "this is about MrX systematically getting rid of his opposition" as if you know the operation of my mind, or my intentions. You response is riddled with contradictions, false assumptions, and an astounding lack of self-awareness even after multiple editors have called you out for your talk page conduct.

You claim that I'm disgruntled because I'm not getting my way. As it happens, I not here to "get my way". I'm here to collaborate with other editors to improve content. I don't consider editors with different POVs "opponents." You say that my "proposals and edits have not been gaining consensus" the way I'd like. It so happens, I'm delighted with my ability to influencing consensus by making proposals, debating the merits, citing sources, and compromising on the final product. I stand behind my response of "bullshit" to the counterfactual claim that "there was never a "calculated plan to ban Muslims from our shores"" inasmuch as I actually provided a link to a video of Trump saying “Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on.”[2]

Because I care about Wikipedia and I care about truth, I won't stand by while you continue to discredit reliable sources, deal in alternative facts, disrupt process, engage in whataboutism, and gaslight the rest of us. Good luck to you. - MrX 🖋 23:49, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

"...even after multiple editors have called you out for your talk page conduct." And many more who have encountered her and her edits in the last three years have no problem with her talk page and editing conduct. Except for those who seem to have a different political bent than she does. While we are required to edit neutrally, there's no reason why editors can't interact neutrally, and many do. It's pretty obvious what side you are on when you use the same term ("alternative facts") that is used negatively by Liberal media in reference to Conservatives or "Trumpers". Maybe, rather than collecting diffs to clobber with at a later time and threatening editors who see politics and the world differently than you do, you could be more charitable, truly demonstrate you care about Wikipedia (as you say above) and try to work with others rather than battle with them. Continually. And that goes for the others who are on the same side you are and behave in the same manner. Frankly, I'm incredibly sick of the talk page "wars" and obstructionism that takes place moment to moment at the articles you and I and Atsme and several others have in common. God, aren't you sick of it, too? Don't you want to see things get better between everyone involved and everyone work well together, no matter the political leaning? If not, I have to wonder why. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 03:03, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello! Tryptofish has given you some delicious kale to go along with whatever else you have! You see, these things promote WikiLove and hopefully this has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by giving someone else some delicious kale! Enjoy! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:25, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I had to look that up - recipe - ^{Atsme📞📧} 18:31, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Considering that it came from me, you're lucky that it wasn't spirulina! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:33, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• Just going to leave this here along with the note that I'm actually more of a Bacon guy, myself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:03, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I might, perhaps, have been thinking about a certain chicken sandwich instead of bacon. But there's no question that bacon makes kale taste better, and kale makes bacon more healthy. So here's to everyone coming together someday! --Tryptofish (talk) 20:41, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Having actually eaten a dish made primarily of bacon & kale, I assure you that it is amazing. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:43, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My obvious next question is...which one of you caters? I'm willing to give kale a try, but not on my own. I remember trying to cook venison on my own. 🤮 ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:45, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I cook a lobster and pasta dish with kale and bell peppers sauteed into it (olive oil, no tomatoes). It's rather good, if I say so myself. But no catering. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:48, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Uhm...careful about posting such material to my TP...it leaves my (talk page stalker) "wanting"...so on that note I'll ask...what if I cover your airfare & expenses to Bonaire? I have friends on-island who would be willing to help share the costs for a week of healthy food by an expert who understands the ins and outs of hippos and seahorses. ^{[FBDB] Atsme📞📧} 20:55, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Like. I'm packing my bags! --Tryptofish (talk) 21:06, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

- listen to Hotel California while viewing the alluring mysteries of the island. You may have to supply the kale. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:17, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Please discuss in talk instead of continuing to edit information that is clearly contentious. I'll start a section. (And I'll try to invite the unregistered editor also involved but his or her IP address changes sometimes so I don't know if he or she will see my message.) ElKevbo (talk) 14:08, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

You are involved in a recently-filed request for clarification or amendment from the Arbitration Committee. Please review the request at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Clarification and Amendment#Amendment request: American politics 2 and, if you wish to do so, enter your statement and any other material you wish to submit to the Arbitration Committee. Additionally, the Wikipedia:Arbitration guide may be of use.

Thanks, — Preceding unsigned comment added by MrX (talk • contribs)

I think I speak for many editors when I say your contributions and presence here are respected, cherished, and appreciated. It is a pleasure to edit with you, as your personality shines through. I find these attacks against you, and yes, they are attacks, to be totally against the spirit of Wikipedia. Mr Ernie (talk) 23:38, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Your words of comfort mean a great deal to me, Mr Ernie. Thank you. ^{Atsme📞📧} 23:44, 28 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I wish all this could be put under the "humorous" line on top, sigh. The best advice I received for surviving this place was/is "ignore ignore ignore". I haven't been subjected to AE for three years, but still remember the last time vividly, so in a way I don't ignore as I should. Chin up, was another good advice, five years old, and working. --Gerda Arendt (talk) 18:15, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The following sanction now applies to you:

You are indefinitely topic banned from pages related to post-1932 American politics, broadly construed. Please read WP:TBAN to see what a topic ban is. You may appeal the ban using the process described below, but, after an initial appeal, should it be declined, you may not appeal again more often than every six months.

You have been sanctioned for long-time and damaging disruption of talkpages in the area, as laid out by MrX here. For a detailed discussion of my reasons, please see my comment here.

This sanction is imposed in my capacity as an uninvolved administrator under the authority of the Arbitration Committee's decision at Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Case/American politics 2#Final decision and, if applicable, the procedure described at Wikipedia:Arbitration Committee/Discretionary sanctions. This sanction has been recorded in the log of sanctions. If the sanction includes a ban, please read the banning policy to ensure you understand what this means. If you do not comply with this sanction, you may be blocked for an extended period, by way of enforcement of this sanction—and you may also be made subject to further sanctions.

You may appeal this sanction using the process described here. I recommend that you use the arbitration enforcement appeals template if you wish to submit an appeal to the arbitration enforcement noticeboard. You may also appeal directly to me (on my talk page), before or instead of appealing to the noticeboard. Even if you appeal this sanction, you remain bound by it until you are notified by an uninvolved administrator that the appeal has been successful. You are also free to contact me on my talk page if anything of the above is unclear to you. Bishonen | talk 09:41, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I believe this retaliatory action coupled with your 2015 retaliatory block and what took place in between warrants a potential desysop review of your actions. ^{Atsme📞📧} 11:51, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

In light of the above the focus of any potential case changed significantly. You may have a case of harassment in and of itself, but an additional case of AmPol 3 is needed too. Arbcom is unpredictable. As I am nearly finished with my project and have zero to lose; I would support a case or two cases or a case subdivided into two issues. I would take the weekend off and get replanted and decide Monday since there is little chance anyone is going to undo the topic ban short of an appeal specifically to do so. Also, appeals almost never work until some time has passed.MONGO (talk) 15:35, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Atsme, as someone who is very much your wiki-friend, please let me recommend strongly that you just take a few days to let the immediate stress of the situation subside a bit, with my strong hope that after a little time has passed you will resume your editing as a talented and cherished member of the editing community. That's the bottom line for me. Beyond that, I'm going to make a sort of list of additional points:

1. It is important for everyone to recognize that (outside of current US politics), Atsme is a great editor: a fine content contributor (including photos), and a real pleasure to work with.
2. If anyone thinks that Atsme is somehow the one "bad guy" in American politics and that the current problems are not anyone else's fault (although I doubt that anyone does think that), they are spectacularly wrong. Consequently, no one should think that now Atsme is topic-banned so everything is OK. Nothing could be farther from the truth.
3. Bish's imposition of the topic ban is definitely not retaliatory. Not by a long shot. It is a responsible and proper administrator action.
4. Atsme, I know this is going to sound a little flaky, but I'd like you to just accept the ban and look upon it as a blessing in disguise. Editing in American politics is no fun, a lousy kind of hobby, and you know I've been warning you for a long time about what I consider to be blind spot that you have about it. So edit other kinds of stuff. Just say screw it to the politics topic area. There are so many other content areas where everyone really appreciates and values what you contribute. This should end up feeling like a big hassle being removed from your responsibility, freeing you up to do stuff that is far, far more gratifying.

--Tryptofish (talk) 17:37, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

The issue I have is not that is against policy or anything like that. Bish is certainly within policy to drop a topic ban like that. The issues I see with it, one it was disruptive during a hearing like that. Two there is history there, and even if not explicitly against policy to do so, it was not smart and undermines the process giving doubt. Finally I get the feeling that "welp we got one everything is good now, move along" specifically because no one else was blocked or warned. It goes back to singling out someone from one side for lashings while ignoring other issues. That is the biggest problem I see, and not one that can be solved by one admin out of no where blocking one person they dislike. PackMecEng (talk) 18:36, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

If this is where it ends, then ArbCom and the admins have failed both the base of editors as well as the readers, here. TBing Atsme may be part of a solution, but it's certainly not a solution in and of itself. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 19:16, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I am just not sure anyone has the stomach to do what needs to be done. Dang near goto a Trump article, look at the talk contrib list and topic ban 3/4 of them? I even might get caught up in that drag net, but eh if it turns out I am a negative so be it. There are not to many I can think of that at some point have not been an issue. It is where you draw the line that will be the hardest part. PackMecEng (talk) 19:49, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

God's honest truth: I'd happily take a topic ban myself, or even a punitive block if it meant cleaning that mess up. Blanket topic bans of the most prolific editors would be a perfectly acceptable solution, IMHO. Let each one appeal individually and let the merits of their editing in that area be judged one at a time. I personally wouldn't even appeal, if I got caught up in such a net. I'm better off outside of that toxic topic. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:01, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds like we are in the same boat there. I agree. PackMecEng (talk) 20:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I totally agree with you that it would be a big mistake to blame everything on Atsme and move on – and I said so at ARCA. (I don't think that Bish dislikes Atsme personally.) --Tryptofish (talk) 18:45, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I cannot speak to that, no idea if she dislikes or likes her. More was giving the perception of an issues and undermining the process that way. It would of been better if it was someone with no history, it was not critical to the encyclopedia that Atsme be topic banned that moment after all, and if it was someone else would of done so. I also do not want to give the impression that you were saying others are not the issues as well. I agreed with what you said on that there and you are right. I am just concerned that is where it will end. PackMecEng (talk) 18:50, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, good, thanks! --Tryptofish (talk) 18:52, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Tryptofish, you wrote, "I don't think that Bish dislikes Atsme personally". Because this is the internet and everyone here is anonymous to each other (few have ever met in person, and 99.9% of us never will), "personally" doesn't play into any of this, in reality. Because it's the internet, anonymous internet at that, the chances those we have gotten on well with in this environment means little to nothing. We do not cultivate true relationships or friendships here, just online back and forth -- out of sight, out of mind and all that. It's all completely dog-eat-dog here and anyone can turn against another in a heartbeat if it means saving their place to be allowed to edit. "Community" is a nice concept -- and at one time it probably was accurate -- but it's no longer a community, it's a swimming pool full of fish. Some docile, some predatory. In that kind of environment, one does what they can to survive. Even if it means sacrificing some of the fish next to you. Really knowing the other fish in the tank isn't personal, it's just a matter of who's next to you in the pool at the moment. Sad, but true. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 20:13, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Then, speaking as a fish myself, I'll say that Bish did not t-ban Atsme out of dislike. And I'll add that I am very sure that more t-bans for more editors are going to come. --Tryptofish (talk) 20:31, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Because this is the internet and everyone here is anonymous to each other (few have ever met in person, and 99.9% of us never will), "personally" doesn't play into any of this, in reality.

We do not cultivate true relationships or friendships here, just online back and forth -- out of sight, out of mind and all that.

I suggest you read up on the psychology of online socialization: These comments are -generally speaking- demonstrably untrue. People tend to respond to online social interactions with similar levels of emotion with which they react to in person social interactions. I'm not trying to bust your balls here: this isn't exactly common knowledge. Despite my own (relatively) healthy and active social life, I also have a history of online romance, grudges and friendships. Theory of mind doesn't stop working just because we're looking at a monitor. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 20:29, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

My point is that these are not real relationships. Real relationships happen on an actual personal level. Something computer/tablet/smartphone screen, text-only interactions cannot provide. Ever. And because they're not real relationships, there's nothing "personal" about it. And because it's not truly personal, it's the reason why people are so shitty to others and so able to turn on those they may have treated previously as friends. Think about what a lawyer needs to do in a courtroom in order to get a jury to show mercy toward their client: make them real, make them a person, make them human. If the individual about to possibly get screwed is seen as a human being, it's easier and less bothersome to one's conscience to convict or sentence harshly. When in a text-only environment, the individual you are communicating with can never truly be real, a person, a human being. And this is the reason why this "community" never will be that at all. And why none of this is personal and never can be. "That's not how it works. That's not how any of this works". -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 21:08, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh. My point is that, according to what psychology we have, they are real relationships. Please do some reading on the subject of Internet relationshipS, cyberbullying and the effects of social media. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 21:32, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I get what you're saying, Wink, but consider this - we actually have a couple of admins who met on WP and got married. The relationship grew before the meeting. I actually lasted 5 years in a long-distance relationship - spoke every night on the phone - but there comes a time when "being together" and "companionship" take the prize. Wonder what internet text romance does to the old adage, It's not what you say, it's how you say it. Hmmm....If you replace "say" with "type" it screws it up: It's not what you type, it's how you type it. So I guess sound and animation do count; although, not being able to hear a voice and see the gestures may be an advantage. ^{Atsme📞📧} 21:20, 29 June 2018 (UTC) 😂[reply]

"Please do some reading on the subject of Internet relationship, cyberbullying and the effects of social media" Well, you see MPants at work, that's part of the problem here. People who aren't able to distinguish between what's real relationship-wise and what isn't. If one has a healthy view of what a true personal relationship is (and it's not having "relationships" with others only in a sans flesh-and-bone environment), then they don't allow online bullying or negative interactions online to truly affect them to the point of where self-harm or worse. I don't have to do any reading on what the current reality of person-to-person interaction is to know that knowing people in person will always be a true relationship (to whatever degree or level of positive/negative it is) and only knowing someone online isn't. The vast majority of my life has been spent knowing people in my life in person, not electronically (that's because I'm old). Those who've not lived as long as I don't have the same extent of that realization because online interaction has become more normalized. The younger one is, the more normalized electronic interaction has become. Normalized isn't always good. And I'll go to my grave knowing online interaction can never replace true human, in-person interaction because I've experienced the latter more than the former and have seen how wonderful the latter is and how ugly and disconnected the former can be. I don't expect those of younger generations to agree, but I would sure appreciate the younger generations who've not known personal interaction the way I have to not dismiss my personal experience and tell me I need to read more. p.s.: reading about life isn't a replacement for experiencing real-life, either. -- ψλ ● ✉ ✓ 21:59, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

But aren't you dismissing other people's personal experiences, by claiming categorically that online relationships aren't real? (Rhetorical question meant to provoke self-awareness; no need to answer). For what it's worth, I think it's pretty naive and silly to claim that relationships are "real" only if they include face-to-face interaction. To take only one obvious counter-example, Catherine the Great and Voltaire never met in person, but their relationship seems quite "real", even at several centuries' remove. Like you, I've generally found my most rewarding interpersonal relationships have been face-to-face, and I'm innately distrustful of purely virtual interactions. At the same time, if you've never had a rewarding online friendship, then I feel a little bit sorry for you. MastCell ^Talk 23:07, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Doesn't read flaky to me, only incredibly clueless and patronizing. I never understood when folks show up at a mature adults webpage and pretend to be offering stupendous grandparenting "advice"...this is good medicine even if it tastes like shit kind of advice and then add they should edit elsewhere and be "blessed".MONGO (talk) 18:05, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Not helpful. But I'll keep it in mind for when other editors are to be topic banned. --Tryptofish (talk) 18:11, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

That's precious.MONGO (talk) 18:25, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

And you called me patronizing? --Tryptofish (talk) 18:28, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

• As is usually the case, I agree completely with Tryp. ᛗᛁᛟᛚᚾᛁᚱPants Tell me all about it. 18:39, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
• I stay away from all articles that deal with US politics, and have no opinion for or against the topic ban, but Atsme's characterization of the block in 2015 as being a "retaliatory block" is pure BS, the block was a straight-forward administrative action for disruption related to this thread about an essay called Advocacy Ducks on WP:ANI, after Atsme had PRODded fourteen articles created by me, in obvious retaliation for me daring to express an opinion that ATSME didn't like on ANI. A deliberate mischaracterization of the block that I of course will mention/explain on AE if Bishonen is brought there. - Tom | Thomas.W ^talk 20:09, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Wrong - it wasn't about you. I have the timeline, and know exactly what happened so please don't inject more falsity in my life than what I'm already having to deal with - it would be much appreciated. And fyi - I still believe it should have been a list, and when more information became available, they could have been spun-off. ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Just for further clarification about the prods and what happened after Georgeherbetwilliams closed with a trout all around. Bish reverted that close and cited her reasons adding: "Compare this just now nothing to do with any of the problem topics described here, but consisting of fourteen posts to Thomas.W's talkpage within a few minutes, prodding fourteen of his articles with identical (formalistic) rationales, with no attempt to discuss with him first. This looks like retaliation against a user who has disobliged her in this thread." I already said it had nothing to do with you - I don't even know you, and based on your behavior here now, it's probably better that I don't. I was trying to get my mind off the railroading, and focus on my areas of interest, one of which happens to be exotic and unusual fishes, for Pete's sake. My prodding those articles was not a blockable offense - a simple notice on my TP and discussion would have worked but the admin who showed bias toward me and was dead set on getting me either indef blocked or even site banned is who approached me about the fish - and you were the reason for that. Hair trigger admins are a much bigger problem than what their actions solve, especially when they harbor a bias or have an agenda. Keep in mind, that my participation at AVDUCK was not disruptive - the editors I filed against were disruptive. They were protected because I had already been falsely labeled as an alt-med promoter, then came the COI bs, then came the apologies to me after the damage was done, and now here we are again - repeat performance by the same captain who has shown a bias for and against respective editors. I see areas where disruption can be minimized to the point our admins can focus more on real vandalism instead of terrifying editors they don't like, or trying to WP:RIGHTGREATWRONGS in the world. End of story - right now, I'm still working on restoring my faith in the system after the abuse I just experienced. Rest assured, I am well aware that we have remarkable admins who are patient, understanding, and an asset, not a liability to the project. I want to make that clear because they and numerous other editors have been the light at the end of the tunnel for me. Patience...time wounds all heels. ^{Atsme📞📧} 00:46, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Isn't it bizarre, that as an editor I have managed to get along well with a highly diverse number of editors - all with different views - no behavioral issues, intelligent discussions, laughter, good spirits - yet, I was still railroaded? I rarely delete editor comments on my TP but I did delete a grave dancer's comment this morning, and expect that editor to steer clear of my TP. They know who they are, so I' won't name names. I never did anything like that to them, nor would I even think of it. Right now, there is a lot for me to consider with regards to what just happened, and what I'm going to do next. I've been getting some wise advice along with advice I don't like but it creates a good balance, so I'm trying to absorb it all in hopes that a light will shine and guide me in the right direction. Only time will tell.

What I do know is that there are serious problems within the project that need to be resolved. I am still of the mind that Bishonen's actions were retaliatory and unwarranted. Her actions need review, but not only as it involves me. That is a decision that belongs with ArbCom because there is no denying that her actions were highly disruptive and unnecessary - her actions caused disruption, they did not stop it - so she stepped out of her boundaries. I deserved a chance to know what the arbs thought of the case, and then I could have made my own decision. I was actually leaning toward a voluntary break, but she denied me that opportunity by her surprise attack. It was just plain wrong, so please stop trying to make excuses for bad behavior by an admin. Her timing, and her comment about my added response and the fact that I provided the diffs that showed the bad behavior of others is why she imposed the TB - purely out of retaliation for my actions there. She did the same thing to me in 2015. Those are the kinds of actions by admins that need serious attention - Oshwah's mistake as a new admin pales in comparison to what just happened, yet look at the attention it got, even after Oshwah apologized. That situation ended well between those two parties, and life goes on. Maybe I'll be lucky enough to get a similar result.

Granted, when I saw the charges against me, I was deeply hurt...unable to respond other than saying I'm unable to respond and I didn't want to cause anyone harm. I was responding to my emotion - I had a heavy heart and couldn't think straight....couldn't sleep, either, because knowing what they had done and got away with weighed heavy on me - as did what has happened to other editors which kept flashing before me. I had to tell the truth, and the more I thought about it, the more I realized the seriousness of the problem as it exists within the project. WP suffers other biases, not just gender bias. I'm a bit perturbed with myself for allowing it to have gone on for this long, especially in light of the end result. You just can't extend accolades to an editor for their good work as an editor, and then turn around and condemn them for that same manner of work in one specific area. We don't apply different PAGs to different topics - our PAGs apply equally to all topics. It's a glaring problem that has a negative effect on our editing environment because it makes the system, which is dependent on our PAGs, subject to gaming, especially NPOV which is not, I repeat not negotiable, and neither are the principles upon which it is based which cannot be superseded by other PAGs, nor by editor consensus. Anyway, it's food for thought. ^{Atsme📞📧} 20:18, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Hello Atsme. The American politics 2 arbitration amendment request filed 28 June 2018 has been declined. For the Arbitration Committee --Cameron₁₁₅₉₈ ^(Talk) 19:00, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]