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The people who come up with these silly inflated metro area numbers really should stop somewhere. I propose that we deem the whole planet to be "Earth Metropolitan Region" population 6.9 billion, and then we can forget about all the others. Luwilt (talk) 20:32, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Please see other example - Rhine-Ruhr metropolitan region. Silesian metropolitan area within Upper Silesian Coal Basin is similar - group cities and towns in industry and coal basin. LUCPOL (talk) 21:03, 15 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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@90.80.18.81: As per your request to "be serious" and "see sources in Google".

I am serious. Let's make a Google search for "Upper Silesian metropolitan area".

For me it returns the following results:

• 3 links to Wikipedia and Wikidata
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Link to Wikidata
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Not a source, the definition is based on Wikipedia
• Not a source, the definition is based on Wikipedia
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Two links to Commons
• Getty images search query result page
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided, but Katowice gives 18 hits and Ostrava gives 0
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Questionable as a source, and the definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided, but only cities in the Katowice area are mentioned
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only – this source also highlights that "many problems are referenced in literature regarding the nomenclature of the area under consideration"
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided – but it is given of a context of work by dr Pyka, which is the author of the paper in first link in my list
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Two twitter posts
• A rather questionable source that extends the definition from Katowice to Rybnik and Jastrzębie area also (but not Racibórz, Bielsko or Ostrava)
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Gliwice
• An (empty!) search query result page on wordtype.org
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• Not a source, the definitions are copied from Wikipedia articles
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Questionable source, and the definition seems to be based on Wikipedia
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Gliwice
• A Facebook page link
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• Questionable source, and the definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Behind login-wall, but the abstract says "Upper Silesian metropolitan area of Poland", clearly Ostrava not included
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Gliwice
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided, but the area is listed as a participating entity separate from Ostrava
• The article assigns the Upper Silesian metropolitan area name to Metropolis GZM administrative entity, LOL
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only ("population of two million")
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• Google Scholar link to Elżbieta Zuzańska-Żyśko, which is an author of some of the links above and consistently uses Upper Silesian metropolitan area as a definition that includes Katowice area only
• The Goczałkowice lake is mentioned as "supplying water to the Upper Silesian metropolitan area" on a Polish govt owned website! But this is website about cycling… Still no mentions of Ostrava
• Another "source" treating "Upper Silesian metropolitan area" as a "translation" for Metropolis GZM, very odd
• A link to latitude.to – Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Sosnowiec]
• Academia.edu link to Zuzanna Neuve-Eglise, which is an author of some of the links above and consistently uses Upper Silesian metropolitan area as a definition that includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• biblioteka.sosnowiec search query result page
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Sosnowiec
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• biblioteka.kpu.krosno.pl search query result page
• opac.bptorun.edu.pl search query result page
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Uses definition of Upper Silesian metropolitan area by Zuzańska-Zyśko, the provided map includes Katowice AND Rybnik areas, hooray! Still no Ostrava…
• 2 links to size-explorer.com (which uses the definitions copied from Wikipedia articles)
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided, but the area is listed as a participating entity separate from Ostrava
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• 3 reddit posts
• famousfix.com search query result page
• A LinkedIn post
• 7 stock photos
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Silesia
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia
• Another questionable source that uses Upper Silesian metropolitan area as a "translation" for Metropolis GZM
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia
• [nhuir.nhu.edu.tw/bitstream/987654321/27031/1/4052002003.pdf The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area includes Katowice area only]
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Katowice
• A forum post (copying wikipedia article for Gliwice)
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided, but the area is listed as a participating entity separate from Ostrava
• Unit of Metropolis GZM using the Upper Silesian metropolitan area as a "translation" for Metropolis GZM, this isn't even funny now
• The definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• [www.qianqiqianzhen.com/qianqiqianzhen/gwxz/ouzhou/bolan/article/20210520095800554170084.html Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Sosnowiec]
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia
• Harvard! But no clear delimitation, includes only Poland, and this is a paper on geology, not demography…
• a link to HowToPronounce.com
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia article for Silesia
• Questionable source, and the definition for Upper Silesian metropolitan area is not provided at all
• 5 youtube videos
• a link to relatedwords.org
• a blogger.com post
• "Upper Silesian metropolitan area of Poland", clearly Ostrava not included
• a link to wordplays.com, definition copied from wikipedia article for Katowice
• Not a source, the definition is copied from Wikipedia
• a link to cloudflare-ipfs.com, seems illegit and the definition copied from wikipedia article for Silesia

To sum up:

• Plenty of sources stating that "Upper Silesian metropolitan area" is synonymous with "Katowice metropolitan area" or some little extension thereof.
• No sources stating that "Upper Silesian metropolitan area" is synonymous with Katowice-Rybnik-Bielsko-Ostrava etc. metropolitan area.
• "Upper Silesian metropolitan area" seems to be a "common name" for the first area, not for the second area which is the topic of the article you want to be moved to the name.
• There exists at least one source which assigns the name of "Upper Silesian-Moravian metropolitan area" to the larger area. Calling it simply "Upper Silesian metropolitan area" is very confusing, since as one can see in the long list of links above, this term is basically exclusively used for the Katowice part of the area only.

Please provide at least one reliable source which states "Upper Silesian metropolitan area" or "Silesian metropolitan area" is a name that is used anywhere for the area that is encompassing also Ostrava if you want to state that the name is debatable, so we can actually debate… As you can see I've genuinely tried my best and failed.

--Dżamper (talk) 22:58, 20 April 2024 (UTC)[reply]