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The following sentence should probably be revised: "Approximately 1.5% of people die by suicide."

More accurately, it should say that 1.5% of annual deaths are caused by suicide. The referenced source for this sentence clearly states this. I was confused when first reading this thinking "1.5% of people" was referring to percentages of population, which it certainly is not. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Johnsmith292 (talk • contribs) 18:03, 2 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

• https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra1902944?query=pfwNGTo&jwd=000012129905&jspc=EM

Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 09:56, 30 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suicide is a big issue in todays world, and I noticed that at the top of this article there doesn't seem to be some sort of message sayings something along the lines of "If you are thinking of committing suicide..." If you look at pretty much any other website or google search you will see a similar message, maybe a link to the Suicide prevention hotline would be a good option. I know that this is an encyclopedia and may not be something that is traditionally placed in an article, but I feel this should be an exception to the rule. This probably falls under the "special cases" in WP:ELHAT Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 06:35, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Have you reviewed previous discussions, as noted at the top of this page? DonIago (talk) 09:05, 9 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I have now, and I see for some reason people are very against it. However, I think a good compromise would be an addition to the current hatnote of List of suicide crisis lines. It could look like: Iamreallygoodatcheckers (talk) 00:26, 10 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

The hatnote contains suicide prevention which lists all efforts. In my opinion it is undue weight to just mention crisis lines in the lead as they are less supported by evidence than some other methods. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 20:07, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just in case, ya know, a mentally disturbed teen researching suicide stumbles upon the page, there should be a clear message of hope for all troubled souls :/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.127.46.222 (talk • contribs)

Please read the notes at the top of the Talk page (or the thread immediately above this one); this has been discussed before. DonIago (talk) 17:21, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I know I'm contributing to the wrong section with this but literally what use is there in having hotlines listed anyway? They feel patronizing more than anything else, and in the process of finding this article there will have been plenty of numbers listed on Google or Bing or whatever you're using. puggo (talk) 17:26, 17 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I recently edited the infobox to state the cause as suicide ideation, but it got reverted stating consensus must be formed and some may consider it vandalism. The infobox lists a few methods of suicide; I don't believe these should be listed as direct causes as they're the suicide itself. It's having a death wish in the first place that leads to it. GOLDIEM J (talk) 16:44, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As the editor reverting this edit I have no comment to make here save that I believe consensus must be formed for such edits. I commend GOLDIEM J for starting this thread. I suspect it may have been discussed before, but I'll leave that to interested editors. Fiddle Faddle 16:56, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with the edit, this seems to be the only thing that actually leads to suicide directly. What's listed now are just the methods used to complete suicide rather than the underlying cause. This list could also never be complete, as there are way too many methods to list.--Megaman en m (talk) 18:30, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

We should consider that many infobox fields (maybe most infobox fields) won't be particularly helpful in any given article. We should think about what falls under the realm of common sense and leave those things out to avoid infobox clutter. There is some good data in that infobox - many people don't know about the increased risk among the elderly - but we don't have to tell the average reader that you think about suicide before completing it, or that hanging, jumping, and shooting are potential methods. Larry Hockett (Talk) 17:35, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Suicidal ideation is a symptom of possible suicide, not a cause. It's like fever is to an infection; fever is a symptom, not a cause. Suicidal ideation does not always lead to suicide, and suicide can be attempted with almost no prior suicidal ideation. That's a no-brainer for those of us who have talked to hundreds of people who either suicided or attempted it. Folks, stick with the sources, not your speculations. I am not opposed to leaving the Cause parameter blank because there can be many causes, and often the causes are unknown. Sundayclose (talk) 17:47, 7 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Regarding this, this, this and this, I noted that I might bring WP:Med into the matter. This is because what is in the infobox now for "causes" are methods. They aren't what leads one to commit suicide. They facilitate suicide. I'll contact WP:Med for input now. Flyer22 Frozen (talk) 01:42, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]