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== Champions league ==

Surely if the F.A. cup is featured then the champions league should be too as it is a far bigger tournament [[User talk:Plokt]], 21:28, 23 May 2007 (UTC)

cheers <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:Plokt|Plokt]] ([[User talk:Plokt|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Plokt|contribs]]) 21:51, 23 May 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

Granted, the Champs League is from a wider pool of quality clubs, but as far as history goes, I believe the FA Cup to be the oldest football/soccer tournament in the world, isn't it? I think that's the reason why it gets so much coverage. Of course, no one outside of the UK would have cared that Watford was playing in the FA Cup semis. You'd never see a club being relegated from their domestic league playing in the Champions League semis. [[User:144.142.21.43|144.142.21.43]] 00:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)A. Whitham, Los Angeles

:That's because the FA Cup has every team in England entered into it, at varying stages, automatically. From [[Prescot Cables F.C.|Prescot Cables]] and [[Croydon Athletic F.C.|Croydon Athletic]] to [[Manchester United F.C.|Manchester United]] and [[Chelsea F.C.|Chelsea]]. Whereas the Champions league is just that - a league made up of the highest-finishing teams from the European top divisions. --[[User:Dreaded Walrus|Dreaded Walrus]] ^{[[User talk:Dreaded Walrus|t]] [[Special:Contributions/Dreaded Walrus|c]]} 02:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== 1,800,000 ==

Does anybody know which was the 1,800,000th article? --[[User:Camptown|Camptown]] 18:56, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

:You never know since all these articles being made may be deleted. And why does everyone want to know what the article was? [[User:AxG/Userpage|<font color=royalblue face="comic sans ms">'''AxG'''</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/AxG|<font color=red>^@</font>]] [[User talk:AxG|<font color=black>^{<font color=red>'''►'''</font>talk}</font>]] 19:21, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

::Morbid curiosity. [[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 12:42, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::In the same line of thinking, does anybody know which was the 1,532,774th article? I just happen to like that number. [[User:Numero4|Numero4]] 14:00, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

: If you haven't noticed, mankind finds numbers that start a new set interesting. Where else 1,532,774 is not a new number, 1,800,000 starts the next 800th thousandth article in the second set of million. Just like reaching 100 starts another set of hundred, which is 200, so then 1,800,000 marks the beginning of the set of articles numbered from 1,800,000 to 1,899,999. When we reach 1,900,000, many will look forward to the articles numbered from 1,900,000 to 1,999,999. I hope that concludes that.In short, even clean numbers are fun to look at. [[User:Tourskin|Tourskin]] 20:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::Don't mean to be a dick or anything, but 1,532,774 sets a new set in the ones place. With it I looked forward to article 1,532,775. And 1,532,774 is even, and I haven't seen it doing any drugs lately so I'll assume it's clean. [[User:RageGarden|RageGarden]] 04:34, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:You guys are freaky. --[[User:Ouro|Ouro]] <small>([[User_talk:Ouro|blah blah]])</small> 10:33, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

: Ok well I'm not gonna say your wrong and I am right. But which way is north? Which way is south? From whos perspective? Why is it that solar system is drawn in one particulary way? The answer to all these questions are standardized ones. My point above is that numbers that are whole and easily divisible such as 1,800,000,000 are "clean numbers", coz you cando all sorts of calculations on them. Yes, we measure using ones, as you craftly pointed out. We also measure using tens, hundreds, thousands and millions. Thats why we look forward to articles which take the 1st place, tenth place, hundredth place, thousandth place, millionth place. The number 1,532,774 is the 1.532774 millionth article. That is more of an "ugly" number (ugly being that its not easily divisible nor whole) than 1.8 (as in 1.8 millionth article) coz 1.8 is an easier number to work with. Why do you think they make money in 100, or ten or 5 bills instead of 1.5344 bills? Coz clean numbers are easier to work with, and easier to relate to.

:::If you want "clean" numbers, then why not find out what the 2,097,152nd article is? It is a factor of two and binary is far "cleaner" than decimal. Or better yet, let's find the 1,759,943rd article, since that's a prime number. Why does he want to know? He's curious. Quit trying to explain why 1,800,000 is a nice number (to you), or what he needs with this information, and answer the question. Oh, and in case you care, 1,532,774 is by all means a whole number (hopefully you know what that means). [[User:Apeirophobia|<span style="color: #FF0000; font-weight: 100;">&#9824; &#0197;peirophobia &#9824;</span>]] 06:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

"Speed of Speak". Speak the number one million five hundred and thirty two thousand seven hundred seventy four. At the same time, have your friend say one point eight million. See who finishes speaking first. [[User:Trigam41|Trigam41]] 15:10, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

North and South are actually standard wherever you go, because the magnetic field doesn't just change around as you move around the globe.

: Yes it does: see [[magnetic north pole]]. It actually moves slightly more or less constantly, and there's the concept of [[magnetic reversal]]s as well. [[User:Titoxd|Tito<span style="color:#008000;">xd</span>]]^{([[User talk:Titoxd|?!?]] - [[WP:FAC|cool stuff]])} 00:43, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

::but the general direction is the same.

:::I would guess that depends on how far away from the magnetic north pole you were when you started measuring.

It's only because you have ten fingers that you have bias towards these numbers! What if you had eleven ala the famous Dr. Seuss? [[User:70.17.200.56|70.17.200.56]] 02:59, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== IRC:s ==

Why dont the IRC:s comply with Macintosh or is this problem occurring with my comp. only?

<small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment was added by [[User:84.250.110.93|84.250.110.93]] ([[User talk:84.250.110.93|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/84.250.110.93|contribs]]) 20:36, 26 May 2007 (UTC{{{3|}}})</small>

:I am sorry, I cannot understand your question. If you are having an issue with [[Internet Relay Chat]], then please ask on a support forum. If you are having issues with [[WP:IRC|the wikipedia irc channel]] or online client, please post your question on the talk page of that project page. This is for talking about the main page of the wikipedia. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 15:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Red bias ==

A red background on the Simeon I seal image, the red Golden Gate Bridge, a red keffiyeh, and a red flag on the Cutty Sark - only one image escapes the hue. What are we pushing today? Communism? The Labour party? The Red Sox? [[user:violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 09:00, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:No, the colour [[red]]. --[[User:Heron|Heron]] 09:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::I vote that we're promoting [[Wales]] since red is the national color. [[User:ShadowHalo|ShadowHalo]] 10:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::What's black and white and red all over? --'''[[User:MatheMezzaMorphis163|3M163]]'''//'''''[[User talk:MatheMezzaMorphis163|Complete Geek]]''''' 12:41, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::::An embarrassed zebra. Unfortunately, the newspaper punchline depends on homophony and does not work in print. :-) [[User:Nricardo|Nricardo]] 15:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::You gotta be kidding! --[[User:Smokizzy|Smokizzy]] ^{[[Wikipedia:Editor review/Smokizzy|Review Me! (Please!)]]} 16:46, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::An embarresed zebra? I was always told it was a nun who was shot... to each man his own. [[User:Mattbash|Mattbash]] 00:46, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Forget about red - there are current three items about English ships! - [[User:BanyanTree|Banyan]][[User talk:BanyanTree|Tree]] 23:55, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:[[Cutty Sark]], [[Black Swan Project]] - what's the third? [[User:Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">'''Blood Red Sandman'''</font>]] ^{[[User talk:Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">(Talk)</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Blood Red Sandman|<font color="red">(Contribs)</font>]]} 01:17, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Irish general election ==

Regarding the following text:

:In the Irish general election, Fianna Fáil under Taoiseach Bertie Ahern win the most seats, but their Progressive Democrat coalition partners collapse.

Could this be changed to:

:In the Irish general election, Fianna Fáil under Taoiseach Bertie Ahern wins a plurality, but its Progressive Democrat coalition partners collapse.

Reasoning: a [[plurality]] is the term used to describe the situation where a party takes the largest share but not the majority of votes. Secondly, Fianna Fáil is a singular noun.--[[User:Damac|Damac]] 14:56, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:I was under the impression that collective nouns are treated as plural in Irish English. [[User:ShadowHalo|ShadowHalo]] 15:21, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::They sort of are. What's relevant is that the possessive pronoun for Fianna Fail when referring to them as a group of parliamentarians would be "their", not "its". The rules for British English (and thus Irish English) [[collective noun]]s are complex. —[[User:Cuivienen|Cuiviénen]] 15:25, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:We try to avoid the word "plurality" as it is not as universally understood as "the most seats". [[user:violetriga|violet/riga]] [[User_talk:violetriga|(t)]] 15:34, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::I thought the consensus was we should use it but with appropriate links? [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 16:03, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::FF has been referred to here as "it" on 25 and 26 May 2007.

:::On 4 May 2007, In the News pointed out that: "The Labour Party performs poorly in local and regional elections in the UK". There are many other examples of parties being treated as singular nouns and I've yet to find one treated as a plural.

:::Interestingly, in the [[Fianna Fáil]] article, the party is referred to in the singular. There might be a tendency to treat collective nouns as plurals in Hiberno-English, but then again, we would never write something like "Bertie Ahern does be holding clinics in Drumcondra of a Saturday afternoon" in an encylopaedia.--[[User:Damac|Damac]] 16:20, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

:::I'm British (not Irish) and involved in politics, and I would say the plural and singular are equally acceptable here and almost interchangable when referring to political parties (although sometimes one might use one or the other with emphasis to stress unity or individuality). I, personally, prefer to use the plural.

:::However, the current use of the [[present simple]] (as opposed to the the [[present perfect]]) isn't really standard usage. It is acceptable in news headlines but wouldn't be in keeping with a formal register that one might expect from an encyclopedia; although, I guess ''In The News'' items are news headlines.

:::[[User:Joeblakesley|Joe Llywelyn Griffith Blakesley]] [[user_talk:joeblakesley|_talk]] [[Special:Contributions/joeblakesley|_contrib]] 23:27, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Insofar as ITN is news, the present has been adopted as a universal standard by Wikipedia. The same rules that would normally prefer the use of present perfect for formality apply in American English as well, and as far as I know, in all forms of English. —[[User:Cuivienen|Cuiviénen]] 23:57, 27 May 2007 (UTC)

: Next time, report errors at [[#Main page error reports]] above. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 15:53, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Bs01 ==

Is it just me, or are other people having a hard time on Bs01? It dosen't accept my password

--[[User:Melman the cat|Melman the cat]] 11:37, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Just so you know, this page is for the discussion of the wikipedia's Main Page, not just anything. Please ask your question elsewere. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 15:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== PICTURES ==

Can i use some pictures from wikimedia commons for my small webside about plants and animals?

thank you--[[User:Nikolaosp|Nikolaosp]] 11:53, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes. Images on commons are basically free by the GFDL. "The purpose of this License is to make a manual, textbook, or other functional and useful document "free" in the sense of freedom: to assure everyone the effective freedom to copy and redistribute it, with or without modifying it, either commercially or noncommercially." The full license is at [[WP:GFDL]]. --[[User:Wafulz|Wafulz]] 13:24, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

--Thank you!!----[[User:Nikolaosp|Nikolaosp]] 15:39, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Not all images at the Commons are licensed under the GFDL. Make sure that your use of these images is compliant with the licenses. You don't need to do anything to use a public domain image, but for example, anything licensed under {{tl|cc-by-2.0}} should be included with attribution of the author and some recognition that the image is licensed under the CC Attribution 2.0 license. [[User:ShadowHalo|ShadowHalo]] 00:51, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::Note however that as all commons images should be freely licensed allowing re-use, commercial or non-commercial you should be able to use them, you just have to obey the license. For a website some of the requirements for e.g. GFDL (including full license) which may be a technical hinderance to re-use in some instances of printed material are unlikely to be a problem. P.S. Forgot to mention there is one exception you should know of on the commons. We currently allow pictures e.g. screenshots on the commons which are otherwise freely licensed but with one of more of the wikimedia logos. As the wikimedia logos are not freely licensed, these images are similarly not freely licensed. This is unlikely to be an issue for plants and animals though) [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 03:43, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Auto Focus on Search Text Box? ==

What would it take to get this on the main page? For those who don't know what I am talking about, I would like to see something where when the main page loads, if you start typing, it automatically goes into the search box... Anyone? [[User:72.69.127.101|72.69.127.101]] 15:06, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:But then you wouldn't be able to scroll down to the rest of the page. That's obviously not a problem at Google.com, but with a page this long users expect to be able to scroll down. --[[User:Maxamegalon2000|Maxa]][[User_talk:Maxamegalon2000|megalon]][[Special:Contributions/Maxamegalon2000|2000]] 16:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yup, this has been proposed before, and it was not done due to the scrolling problem. --- [[User:RockMFR|RockMFR]] 16:25, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

::Good point... I never really pay too much attention to the main page (guess I should), so I never considered that... Nevermind then. :) [[User:72.69.127.101|72.69.127.101]] 17:22, 28 May 2007 (UTC)

:::For those who are thinking of testing it like me, note you can scroll with the mouse wheel but not the keyboard [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 03:37, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::::Cna someone device a shortcut key for this and place after the text "search"? Like what we do with "My watchlist" and "My contributions"? --<b><font color="orange">[[User:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Howard</font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">the</font>]] [[User talk:Howard the Duck|<font color="#FFA500">Duck</font>]]</font></b> 14:54, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:Please read [[Wikipedia:Main_Page_FAQ#Why_doesn.27t_the_cursor_appear_in_the_search_box.2C_like_with_Google.3F|this]]. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 15:58, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

I use the auto-search mode of Mozilla-Firefox where I 'type to find links'. I would not like it if I am typing and instead of searching it starts going in the search box. It is okay if type goes directly to fill forms (like search-box) in websites like google or yahoomail but it will not be a good idea to have this feature in wikipedia. [[User:198.62.10.11|198.62.10.11]] 06:01, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

:Yes, that is one of the arguments that has been put forward before. Again, read [[Wikipedia:Main_Page_FAQ#Why_doesn.27t_the_cursor_appear_in_the_search_box.2C_like_with_Google.3F|this]]. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 13:40, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

== The current DYK picture... ==

...is of a [[bird of prey]] yet the DYK fact refers explicitly to a [[waterbird]]. [[User:Sabine's Sunbird|Sabine's Sunbird]] [[User talk:Sabine's Sunbird|<span style="color:#008000;">talk</span>]] 06:27, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:I too added the comment on the error report page. Surprised that there has not been a response yet for the main page ! [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] 06:47, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::I changed it to a bird feather since I am not sure of these things. But feel free to get a more appropriate pic. '''[[User:Blnguyen|Blnguyen]]''' ([[User talk:Blnguyen|cranky admin anniversary]]) 06:52, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:::This is a good fix. Thanks. [[User:Shyamal|Shyamal]] 07:15, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== "Religious" Public Relations? ==

What is the point of the word "religious" in the DYK item on the Discovery Institute's PR campaigns? Are they aiming their message primarily at churches? Do they appeal to any scripture or other religious authority in their statements? [[Discovery Institute intelligent design campaigns|The article]] being cited says nothing about any such religious component to the PR, so what is the justification for calling it "religious public relations"? Even if you think ID is religious at its core, and that anything DI does is thus ''ipso facto'' religious, the word "religious" is still inappropriate here as it would be redundant. Though DI's activities are highly problematic in my opinion, NPOV should dictate that we avoid slapping labels on it that it rejects. The word should be removed per NPOV. --[[User:Tisco|Tisco]] 14:21, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

:While they are undoubtedly a religion based organisation, I agree that the word doesn't sit right in that place. (Meanwhile "''make a positive vision of the future practical.''" how is that a clear mission statement? *boggles* Sorry I've been writing vision documentation today...) --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 15:10, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

::This is more likely to be fixed quickly if put in [[WP:ERRORS]]. I have now deleted the offending adjective. -- [[User:ALoan|ALoan]] [[User talk:ALoan|(Talk)]] 15:55, 29 May 2007 (UTC)

== Clocks ==

It would be nice if there'd be a clock table on the main page to display diffirent timezones around the world. like London Copenhagen Helsinki Moscow etc. [[User:Peace keeper II|Peace keeper II]] 07:36, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:Creating something like [http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/ the world clock] and linking to it from the main page sounds worthwhile. [[User:El C|El_C]] 21:48, 30 May 2007 (UTC)

::it could be used to file that white space between the Welcome and the subject links. [[User:Mbisanz|Mbisanz]] 05:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::: A big issue is caching - what happens when that clock is inaccurate? How would caching affect such a clock for logged-out users? [[User:Ral315|Ral315]] [[User talk:Ral315|»]] 06:39, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::::I don't think the logging in/out would be an issue, since the page content doesn't to my knowledge change based on in/out status. Caching is a problem to some degree, one answer would be an applet of some sort that kept the time constantly moving (like this http://www.time.gov/timezone.cgi?Eastern/d/-5/java), but that could burden the page with extra code, another idea might be an automatic re-loader on the main page (like this http://drudgereport.com/). Or we could treat it like this talk page and just give readers a purge link.[[User:Mbisanz|Mbisanz]] 06:53, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::: What white space? We don't all have large windows or displays. [[User:Bazza 7|Bazza]] 12:33, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:::: Probably the white space between "Welcome to Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia that anyone can edit." and the links to the portals. We don't need large windows or displays to get that. BTW, I like this white space. It makes "Welcome to Wikipedia..." stand out. --[[User:74.14.17.161|74.14.17.161]] 12:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::I have a pretty high res monitor, but I rarely browse full screen. Especially not reference sites like Wikipedia. I usually wind up with something like this: [http://www.skizzers.org/andy/tmp/wp_no_whitespace.jpg] Also, I've got a tablet PC that I often browse the web on that's 768x1024, which isn't much bigger than that screenshot. [[User:69.95.50.15|69.95.50.15]] 13:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Why not browse full screen? --[[User:74.14.17.161|74.14.17.161]] 13:26, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::: Try [[Wikipedia:Main Page alternative (PDA version)]] on your Tablet PC. Maybe easier to read? --[[User:74.14.17.161|74.14.17.161]] 13:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::::::: Uh, well, for a couple of reasons. One is that since I'm often using wikipedia as a reference I'm probably doing something in one of the other gazillion windows I have open and I like looking back and forth. (Sure, I'm a little disorganized.) The other main reason is more aesthetic; with my large widescreen monitor, lines of text get very long. I prefer text in vertical columns. Anyway, my point is just that right now Wikipedia is very forgiving of the shape and size of your browser window, and that's a quality I value. Just my two cents. [[User:69.95.50.15|69.95.50.15]] 13:55, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:::::::: Whoops, I hadn't thought about the sizing issue. Looking at your "no_whitespace image, I see there is empty space under the accounting sign in/create account text where a time-zone selector drop-down. Would everyone have that space "free" regardless of window size?[[User:Mbisanz|Mbisanz]] 23:02, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:What time zone would the clock show? [[User:S. Randall|S. Randall]] 13:21, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::Either all zones, a zone chooser, or UTC, probably. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 15:00, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

Could the clock be tied to the user that's logged in? For example, I could tell Wiki that I'm in the central time zone of the US and the clock would show 10:02 am. If my brother were logged in in Cali, the clock on his page would show 8:02 am. [[User:Trigam41|Trigam41]] 15:06, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:There's not enough room to show all time zones, there's no point in showing just the user's local time as most computer desktops have a clock showing already. What's left? UTC? Is there any point in having that on the Main Page? It's important here in talk, and it's at the top of this page. I don't see it adding any value on the main page. --[[User talk:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]] 01:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

::Actually I'm pretty sure it's (UTC on the main page) been proposed before and I would argue it's more important there then here. Since the main page works on UTC, it would help people to understand why OTD is June 1st if it's no longer June 1st for them anymore or if it's not June 1st yet. It will also help people understand when TFA & TFP are going to change [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 11:45, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Random Articles ==

Why do I see stub like articles most of the times when I open a 'Random article'? It's impossible to get a featured article!! [[User:198.62.10.11|198.62.10.11]] 08:19, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:Well, less than one in a thousand articles are featured. [[User:ShadowHalo|ShadowHalo]] 09:09, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::If you want a random featured article, go to [[Wikipedia:Featured content]] - it selects one of each type of featured content automatically. [[User:Smurrayinchester|<span style="color:#77AAAA">Laïka</span>]] 12:51, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

: Why? We are hoping someone like you may help expand the stubs. Keep clicking. You'll find something you can edit soon. --[[User:74.14.17.161|74.14.17.161]] 13:43, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

== NIRVANA ==

First thing on my mind today was to research the meaning of “nirvana” in a spiritual sense. I turned to Wiki and found the page started with “Smells Like Teen Spirit” by Nirvana in the featured article. Is this a sign as being at the crossroad to rock music and the search for “nirvana”? [[User:Chailai|Chailai]] 11:37, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

:I suggest you look at [[Nirvana]] not [[Nirvana (band)]]. Cheers [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 12:44, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

::He knows; it's just serendipitous that Nirvana was on the main page. [[User:Zeality|Zeality]] 21:29, 31 May 2007 (UTC)

I suppose the next search is on how to achieve nirvana in the 21st century. Since the world is so much different than the time when Siddhārtha Gautama was in search for his nirvana. Perhaps, I can peek at Nirvana (the band) while in search for nirvana, the ultimate happiness. [[User:Chailai|Chailai]] 02:52, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

:If by Nirvana you mean the actual Buddhist concept (as opposed to a general concept of happiness), I suggest you talk to some Buddhists to begin you search [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 11:41, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

I have tried to find the “actual” Buddhist concept but have not found any yet. My impression of what I have seen was several of interpretations and side discussions that didn’t quite hit the heart and soul of Buddhism. What I really like to know is when Siddhārtha Gautama discovered the ultimate truth – that was his moment – and somehow that act is related to nirvana. I would like to see some literature that describes this discovery. I have also read “general concept of happiness” written by various individuals. I acknowledge what they were saying, but I don’t feel anything and therefore can neither agree nor disagree – that’s another research. So, if any of you could recommend a book on this, it would be greatly appreciated. [[User:Chailai|Chailai]] 15:35, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

:Taken to user talk page [[User:Nil Einne|Nil Einne]] 17:13, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

==syria and bashar==

there is a very wrong information in the first page, actually Bashar al asad is not the only cadidate because they system of electing presidents is not dependant on more than one cadidate.

there is the so called (poll on choosing the president) where they people agree on the president or not .. and if the poll is less 50% , a new presidential candidate is chosen by the assembly

:The questionable phrase was removed during the last edit to "In the news". Thanks. [[User:Zzyzx11|Zzyzx11]] [[User talk:Zzyzx11|(Talk)]] 03:42, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== How do you get the Main Page on a Userpage? ==

'nuff said.'''''c'mon, we've fished a good one.'''''[[User:Kfc1864|Kfc]][[User talk:Kfc1864|1864]][[User:Kfc1864/Sandbox|'''Cuba Libre!''']] 08:03, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

:Type ''<nowiki>{{Main Page}}</nowiki>''. [[User:Firefoxman|'''ffm''']] [[User talk:Firefoxman|'''✎<small>talk</small>''']] 12:14, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

==Franchitti's Nationality==

Concerning [[Dario Franchitti]]'s reference to being a Scot, can I please request that it is changed to British or Brit as per the dicussion on [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Motorsport#British vs English/Scottish/Welsh/etc|WikiProject Motorsport]]. --[[User:Skully Collins|Phill]] ^{[[User talk:Skully Collins|talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Skully_Collins|Edits]]} _{[[User:Skully Collins/GA reviews|Review this GA review!]]} 08:09, 1 June 2007 (UTC)

== Wikipedia = the new MEMRI ==

The Malaysian Federal Court rejects an appeal by Christian convert Lina Joy to have the word "Islam" removed from her identity card.

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is this really "news" or just an attack on islam? why is this singled out and put on the frontpage? have you heard this make a frontpage story in any other news media?

wikipedia didn't have any new news to put on frontpage so they decided to publish one attacking islam.

this is disgusting, be fair and don't single out particular religion

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Oh, grow up. You want different news, you write different news and submit it to ITN. As long as that isn't factually inaccurate there is no reason for them to suppress the information just to satisfy the griping whims of little children who cry when they are accused of being bad. [[User:70.17.192.65|70.17.192.65]] 17:57, 1 June 2007 (UTC)