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"As she was walking to be interviewed by the British actor Peter Ustinov filming a documentary for Irish television, she passed a wicket gate, guarded by Satwant Singh and Beant Singh. They then opened fire with Sten submachine guns, after they were arrested by her other bodyguards."

I'm not too familiar with this case, but I'm almost certain that they didn't kill her after they were arrested. Could somebody closer clean this up a bit? The Last Melon (talk) 18:45, 30 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Well it says at the end that one of them was killed during the assassination - Would they really have been arrested then shot? Someone who knows what happened should sort this out... Cambion (talk) 11:27, 5 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I think as a compromise, the introduction can stay "Sikh extremists" but link to Sikhs not Sikh extremism. The part people are going to be interested in is the Sikhism part, not the extremism article. The extremism article is already in the "See also" section since it's not really that much on point but is worth reading. I would be open to linking the extremism as well, but I think it's excessive. I would ask that people comment here first before warring again. -- Ricky81682 (talk) 06:40, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I will go along with your redits Ricky. It should be noted that sources at the time, thought the people who shot her were extremists, but it later emerged that they were indeed her bodyguards who wanted revenge for the assault on the Golden Temple. Subsequent trial of the assailant that survived and alleged accomplice, revealed no links to any extremist organisations. Thanks.--Sikh-history (talk) 08:34, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

You don't have to be an extremist organization to be an extremist. But anyway, I'm fine with the current set up. Thanks Ricky. A baby turkey (citation needed) (talk) 16:44, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

By your definition, every Sikh (Hindu and Muslim) who was against the storming of the Golden Temple is an extremist. Welcome to Satanoids world. --Sikh-history (talk) 16:51, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

That doesn't follow, and my definition is irrelevant anyway. The source calls them extremist. Also, are you suggesting that I am Satanoid? Unless you are willing to prove it, stop it; a hinted accusation is a particularly severe form of abuse, especially because the accuser can often hide behind a facade of innocence and thus avoid consequences. You just made a similar suggestion on Ricky's talk page [1] Ricky, if you also think that Sikh-history is implicitly suggesting that I am Satanoid, please give him a stern warning. Even if he wasn't suggesting that, his "Welcome to Satanoids world" creates bad faith, to use Sikh-history's words. A baby turkey (citation needed) (talk) 17:12, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I can think whatever I want. I live in a democracy. Just for the record, I am e-mailing Professor Hardgrave, to find out what he meant by "extremist, as throughout the trial of the accused and his co-defendant, there was no suggestion he or his co defendant was an extremist. Initially, reports came out from the BBC when Gandhi was shot the assailants were extremists, but he bBC subsequently retracted that. You are probably using old and incorrect information. But lets see. Regards--Sikh-history (talk) 17:24, 18 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Definitely not Extremists

I e-mail Professor Hardgrave and got the following response:

Dear Mr. ********,

Your point is well-taken, and I think revenge would be appropriate in characterizing their motives. I do not recall any evidence that the guards had previously been associated with any "extremist" groups. Best wishes, R. L. Hardgrave

On Dec 18, 2008, at 11:18 AM, ****** Singh wrote:

I have a question regarding [index.php?title=Indira_Gandhi_assassination&oldid=258738864#cite_ref-Hardgrave_0-0 ^] Robert L. Hardgrave, Jr. "India in 1984: Confrontation, Assassination, and Succession." Asian Survey, Vol. 25, No. 2, A Survey of Asia in 1984: Part II (Feb., 1985), pp. 131-144. – where you state "and the assassina-tion of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi by Sikh extremists from within her own security guard."

I was just curious and wanted to know where you managed to find out her two security guards were “extremists”. I have been studying the motives for this killing and it appears to have been revenge rather than any form of “extremism”.

Thanks

****** Singh *******