Please stop your disruptive editing. If you continue to blank out or remove portions of page content, templates, or other materials from Wikipedia without adequate explanation, as you did at Abd al-Mu'min, you may be blocked from editing. M.Bitton (talk) 08:44, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Disruptive editing ????

why ? The page contained wrong information. Abd A-lMumin indeed was born into a period when Almoravids were the rulers. Warrior4just (talk) 20:24, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to escalate this. The Hammadid were not the rulers of Tlemcen in 1090 .

What is the process of correcting wrong information with references? Warrior4just (talk) 20:26, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton what is your justification for allowing wrong information ? Warrior4just (talk) 20:28, 28 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton I am still awaiting your justification of "disruptive editing". The page contained wrong information. Please read above Warrior4just (talk) 07:23, 13 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You may be blocked from editing without further warning the next time you remove or blank page content or templates from Wikipedia without giving a valid reason for the removal in the edit summary, as you did at Abd al-Mu'min. M.Bitton (talk) 11:01, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Please provide reasons why the changes were not taken into account. The information stated in the page is wrong. Warrior4just (talk) 00:57, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're removing properly sourced content while making baseless claims (which is why you've been doing ever since you joined the project) and you even added a fake source to your claim. Enough is enough. M.Bitton (talk) 01:08, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@M.Bitton Who gave you the authority to control the content of this page, without presenting your historical data. On my end, I will provide additional references, albeit they will in Arabic Warrior4just (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

That's a question you should be asking yourself the next time you feel like removing the sources that you don't like. M.Bitton (talk) 01:34, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Abd al-Mu'min. This means that you are repeatedly changing content back to how you think it should be although other editors disagree. Users are expected to collaborate with others, to avoid editing disruptively, and to try to reach a consensus, rather than repeatedly undoing other users' edits once it is known that there is a disagreement.

Points to note:

1. Edit warring is disruptive regardless of how many reverts you have made;
2. Do not edit war even if you believe you are right.

If you find yourself in an editing dispute, use the article's talk page to discuss controversial changes and work towards a version that represents consensus among editors. You can post a request for help at an appropriate noticeboard or seek dispute resolution. In some cases, it may be appropriate to request temporary page protection. If you engage in an edit war, you may be blocked from editing. M.Bitton (talk) 01:07, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I have already done so. I have used the talk. There are other similar remarks done by other contributors. The chronology is well documented .....the information that Abdel-El-Mumin having been born in Hammadid dynasty is inaccurate. Warrior4just (talk) 01:30, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

If you disagree with the reliable source and short of finding another that agrees with your usual baseless assertions, your only option if to become a historian, write a book, publish it, get it reviewed and the maybe your opinion will count. M.Bitton (talk) 01:33, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Well that's amusing, based on your statement, it doesn't sound like the reference provided was verified.

Here are select references in arabic stating the same thing.

At the time Abdel-Moumen was born (1094 AD), Tlemcen, Algiers and all of the western Zenata areas were under Almoravid empire (Tlemcen and Algiers were conquered before 1082)

Reference 1 (English):

The history of the Maghrib an interpretive essay by Abdellah Laroui page: 163

https://archive.org/details/TheHistoryOfTheMaghribAnInterpretiveEssay/page/n169/mode/2up

Reference 2 (English):

Morocco from empire to independence by C.R Pennell, Page 44

Reference 3 (Arabic):

تاريخ دولتي المرابطين والموحدين في الشمال الإفريقي عن المؤرخ علي محمد الصلابي.  صفحة 72

Translated: History of the Almoravid and Almohad states in North Africa; by the historian Ali Muhammad Al-Sallabi. page 72

History is available for reader, it doesn't take a historian to recite the work of other historians who documented pivotal points in history

Hopefully you understand it doesn't take a historian to cite the work of historians. Warrior4just (talk) 06:21, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

I will eventually raise this to other reviewers. Please look into the references provided. Thank you Warrior4just (talk) 06:31, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

None of these sources mentions where he was born (in fact, they don't even mention his name). To avoid wasting people's time, I suggest you familiarize yourself with the WP:OR policy. M.Bitton (talk) 14:00, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The sources mention his name, as for his birth doesn't the page state that he "was born" in Targa where Goumi tribes of Zenata.

This is about the timing. The time of birth of Abdel-el-Mumin Tlemcen (the region where he was born) is 1094 , Hammadid dynasty was a dynasty that were limited to east of Algiers. Tlemcen in 1094 was part of the Almoravids empire. It was re-conquered (It was part of Idrissid dynasty ) in the period between 1080-1082 AD. Therefore Abdel-Mumin was not born in Hamadid dynasty Warrior4just (talk) 18:28, 19 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I read the Wikipedia:No original research. The presented three references are three published books that specify the chronology clearly.

Please provide reasons why the chronology does not provide the answer to which dynasty Abdel-Mumin was born. The fact that Almoravids expanded their territories north of Morocco then east to Tlemcen and Algiers by 1082.= provides the answer that Almoravids were west of Algiers and Hammadid were east of Algiers.

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You stated "None of these sources mentions where he was born"

The reference I provided provide the birth place of Abdel-Mumin, e.g., page 49 in "Morocco from empire to independence" by C.R Pennell.

Demonstrate how the provided references fail to provide the chronology of Almoravid rule over the Tlemcen where Abdel-mumin was born, and how the rule co-exist with another dynasty "Hammadid" during the time of birth of Abdel-Mumin

The content of the referenced books are replete with references to other historians' sources. Warrior4just (talk) 07:05, 20 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

You're no longer welcome on my talk page. Stop harassing me! M.Bitton (talk) 16:06, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]