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Just a quick note to whoever keeps reverting the article to refer to Leonardo da Vinci as simply "da Vinci": that is not Leonardo's surname, any more than "of Nazareth" was Jesus's surname. This whole nonsense started with Dan Brown. The proper way to refer to him is either as Leonardo or Leonardo da Vinci. Mpaniello (talk) 19:49, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a source to back up your assertion? Toddst1 (talk) 21:53, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

It's rather you who have to provide evidence that Leonardo was ever referred to simply as Da Vinci prior to the Dan Brown book. There is a centuries-old tradition of referring to Renaissance painters by their forenames only: Michelangelo, Titian, Raphael, and yes, Leonardo. Look at the other names in the paragraph as well: why not just give their surnames? If anything, the paragraph should be consistent, questions of correct usages aside. Mpaniello (talk) 22:12, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ETA: Here, if you look in any dictionary of fine arts or artists, you'll always find Leonardo in the L section, not in the D section. Other artists are given by surnames (e.g., Picasso, Pablo), but Leonardo is given as Leonardo da Vinci, not Da Vinci, Leonardo. Check out this link to Oxford Art Online: https://www.oxfordartonline.com/search?q=leonardo+da+vinci&searchBtn=Search&isQuickSearch=true

Besides, the "da Vinci" part doesn't even refer to Leonardo but rather his father: his full name was Leonardo di ser Piero da Vinci, or Leonardo, son of ser Piero of Vinci. Calling him "Da Vinci" (oh, and the "d" is never supposed to be capitalized) would be like giving Joe, son of Bob from Akron the surname "From Akron." Surnames as we use them today didn't exist in Leonardo's time, so the whole "Da Vinci" thing is an attempt to shoehorn Renaissance names into a 20th-/21st-century template. Mpaniello (talk) 22:34, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

So your argument is that Da_Vinci_(disambiguation)#People_with_the_surname is wrong as well? Toddst1 (talk) 23:03, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

No, my argument is that Da Vinci was not *Leonardo da Vinci's* surname, nor has it ever been accepted as such outside of the confusion caused by Dan Brown. It doesn't matter in the slightest if anybody else has had Da Vinci as a surname; the only point relevant to this discussion is that Leonardo didn't. But anyway, I provided you with a source, and if you check out any online (or printed) art dictionary or encyclopedia you'll see the same thing. Mpaniello (talk) 23:30, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

ETA: I just looked at your link, and they only give two people with the surname, and one of them is a stage name. The other one is incorrectly given as the surname of Pierino, the nephew of Leonardo. However, Vasari, the source of the article, doesn't give it as his surname. Most importantly, though, the list of people with the surname Da Vinci doesn't list Leonardo, so your link only supports my argument. Mpaniello (talk) 23:36, 25 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

• This flies in the face of WP:COMMONNAME. Accurately or no, there are tens of millions of sources for this construction, which absolutely predates Brown's book. (Seriously???) The da Vinci Science Center opened in 1992. The same-named Michigan school district opened before 2000. I see a paint company that opened in 1975. The lunar impact crater named in his honor was done by 1962 at least. A crater on Mars had its name approved by the IAU in 1973. A restaurant in the Netherlands has been garnering Michelin stars since 1999. A Da Vinci bridge was built in 2001. Good heaven, did you not so much as bother to check the disambiguation page, or List of things named after Leonardo da Vinci, with many examples predating 2002??

  This is not merely a nonsensical argument, but a sloppy one. Obviously you don't like the construction, and I agree it's no more proper grammar than any other use of a placename as a surname, but COMMONNAME is clear, and your personal approval here is not required. I advise you to drop the stick. Ravenswing 00:28, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]