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Charsley’s Hall[edit]

Thank you for spotting what looked like a contradiction. I have found and added a citation for the hall having been founded in 1851, a few years before my first estimate. I can’t find one for when Charsley took on the title of Master, but clearly it came later, after the university statute that’s mentioned. I guess the original foundation may have been simply when Charsley set up his household or began to take in undergraduates. Sources are hard to find. Moonraker (talk) 23:07, 29 September 2018 (UTC)

Oxford professor links[edit]

Thanks so much for linking some of the professors at Titles of Distinction awarded by the University of Oxford; it's a tedious process. Don't be afraid to redlink as well – pretty much all of them meet our notability guidelines at WP:PROF, so redlinks help to get them created. Cheers, —Noswall59 (talk) 18:37, 30 September 2018 (UTC).

@Noswall59:Hi, I see you started the Titles of Distinction article. Would it be useful to add some advice and encouragement on linking to the talk page? Do you prefer leaving initials in links or changing to first names? I have checked the 1996 names and found links for exactly half (unfortunately 2 are in German without an English version). I haven't done any redlinks at this stage, I would need to revise disambiguation first.TSventon (talk) 08:53, 1 October 2018 (UTC)

It might be useful to add some guidance on the talk page, yes. I've just added a few redlinks – it actually wasn't as hard as it seems, probably because many of the scientists are cited by their initials anyway. It's great that there were articles for half, that's more than I had expected. As for linking, I tend to believe that we should not deviate from the original source, simply because doing so could introduce errors; so, I would leave the text of the list with initials for now. That would probably not be acceptable if you ever wanted to get it to Featured List status, but it's probably best practice for now. The links, however, should use the name that the person was most likely to be known as (see under WP:TITLE). For instance: I.J.R. Aitchison. Full names could also be used, I suppose, because they would redirect to whatever the article title is anyway. Thanks again, —Noswall59 (talk) 09:08, 1 October 2018 (UTC).

@Noswall59:I started linking to Titles of Distinction awarded by the University of Oxford because I had found the names mentioned in other articles. I then linked 1996 to see how many names would link. Oddly there are 154 names on the list not 162 as mentioned in the lead. I would like to translate "David Michael Metcalf" the German article for D. M. Metcalf as an exercise. Should I call the new article "David Michael Metcalf" for consistency? Also, I could reformat 2012 with initials if that would be useful: it is currently a mixture of names and initials.TSventon (talk) 11:10, 2 October 2018 (UTC)

There's no harm using his full name – someone can change it if it's a problem. I've just checked the full 1996 list, and there are only 154 professors named, perhaps that was an error on their part: strange. I might keep plodding on with the 1996 list; googling the redlinks reveals an awful lot of clearly notable people, with obituaries in national newspapers, etc. Anyway, thanks again. —Noswall59 (talk) 19:18, 2 October 2018 (UTC).

@Noswall59:I see you have finished the wikilinks for 1996. I had missed Megan Vaughan as her article doesn't mention oxford, but several links look wrong: Christopher Ashley, Brian Rogers, Nicholas Stone, Richard Wayne. As you have seen I have translated "David Michael Metcalf", but it needs further tweaking. I will look at Peter Mackridge today.TSventon (talk) 08:44, 3 October 2018 (UTC)

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St John’s College, Oxford[edit]

Hello there,

I see you have edited out information on the wikipedia page for St John’s College Oxford. This information had reliable sources attached. I would therefore, suggest you to restore the mistaken change.

Thanks Brenig102 (talk) 12:24, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

@Brenig102: Hello, thank you for responding to my message. I removed two sentences which were not supported by references. The first said “St John’s College has its origins in St Bernard’s College”. This was not supported by the reference which says the college “took over the premises of St Bernard’s College”. The second sentence said “other colleges such as Hertford erroneously use the foundation of previous institutions to be their foundation year”, which was not supported by a reference.

I also bore in mind the Wikipedia guidance on synthesis , which says that if material from multiple sources is combined to imply a conclusion, then that conclusion should be supported by a reliable source.

I agree that additional information about St Bernard's College is useful so I have now added the foundation date and reference to the article.TSventon (talk) 09:43, 13 January 2019 (UTC)

List of Presidents of Magdalen College, Oxford[edit]

Thanks for all your work on List of Presidents of Magdalen College, Oxford. Please note MOS:ENTO for date-ranges, otherwise there's a lot of cleaning up to be done. The relevant example there: Henry VIII reigned 1509–1547 Spicemix (talk) 23:01, 21 January 2019 (UTC)

@Spicemix: Thanks for the feedback, I will check MOS shortly. Did you mean there is a lot of cleaning up to be done, if so, please let me know what.TSventon (talk) 08:06, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

Cheers matie. Yep, so for example John Horley or Hornley (1448-1457) should be John Horley or Hornley (1448–1457), that's to say an endash not a hyphen. You probably know how to generate an endash on your keyboard – on mine it's alt+hyphen. Or you can use the html code –. Or it's the first of the line of special characters immediately below your editing window. But that whole section of MoS is really useful: when to use a spaced endash, when an unspaced, the use of emdash. Not a hyphen to be seen! Spicemix (talk) 21:48, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Spicemix: Thank you, I wanted to check that you are not saying that there is a lot of cleaning up to be done in addition to the hyphens. I know very little about endash, so thanks for the advice.TSventon (talk) 22:46, 22 January 2019 (UTC)

@Spicemix: I have now changed the hyphens to endash in this list and in several other lists.TSventon (talk) 13:26, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

You are great. I wanted to check the name of a president of Magdalen and I found you had created the article just a couple of weeks before! Spicemix (talk) 13:37, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

@Spicemix: Thanks, Magdalen seemed to be the only older college without a list and most of the information is in the online version of the 1954 Victoria County History (and on the college website).TSventon (talk) 13:47, 23 January 2019 (UTC)

Aristotle[edit]

Hi, I have added first printed edition to help anyone whose Latin isn't as good as yours. Do you know why the article says "The library once contained a copy"? Page 28 of the edition of Prickard in Google books (https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=D00J2gHxvysC) says "Among the printed books is a copy".TSventon (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hello, Quite unexpected to be consulted as an expert in Latin; you could consult [http://solo.bodleian.ox.ac.uk/primo-explore/search?query=any,contains,aristotle%201495&tab=local&search_scope=LSCOP_ALL&vid=SOLO&lang=en_US&offset=0 this OLIS record but I do not know how full the information will be. Having to attend to other business now.--Johnsoniensis (talk) 11:04, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Johnsoniensis:, I am just asking whether you know about the New College copy of Aristotle and if so whether you would be able (and willing) to clarify the current wording. Obviously this is not an urgent query. I did an internet search first but didn't find anything, possibly because I know very little about Aristotle. I checked the OLIS link and New College seems to have an edition of Aristotle which may or may not be the right one.TSventon (talk) 11:42, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Aristotle comes into the New College article already because of the motto. On consulting Copac there is an entry there https://copac.jisc.ac.uk/id/34176359?style=html&title=Opera%20graece%5D ; in the notes it shows that this edition has entries in GW (Gesamtkatalog der Wiegendrucke) and BMC (British Library catalogue of incunabula) and ISTC (incunabula short-title catalogue); i.e. the union catalogue of incunabula founded in Germany; the British Library's catalogue of incunabula which began in the British Museum long before 1973 ; ISTC is newer but should be including all known incunabula in the world by now (it is based on work done in the United States by Frederick Goff and his successors. Some leads to follow up anyway.-Johnsoniensis (talk) 17:10, 4 April 2019 (UTC)

Hi @Johnsoniensis:, thanks for the suggestions. I wanted to know whether you know whether the New College still have the copy of Aristotle mentioned in their article and from your reply I assume you don't. I don't want to do further research in catalogues as checking the OLIS link showed me I don't have the background knowledge needed.TSventon (talk) 10:04, 8 April 2019 (UTC)

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Origin of Beowulf's name connects to bear legends.[edit]

Hi

My original source was a 40 year old memory of studying Beowulf as an undergrad, but I came across something more relevant to others. There is a second Beowulf page, where this origin is discussed:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beowulf_(hero)

That page also connects him to the Hrolf Kraki character. I'll have to get back up to speed on Wikipedia syntax. It has been a while.

Mitch

100.0.110.6 (talk) 01:45, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Hi @100.0.110.6:, @Mitch Townsend:, as you studied Beowulf as an undergrad you probably know more about it than I do.

I hope you will be able to add some referenced information on Beowulf as bee wolf: I did a quick internet search which suggested it would be better to describe it as a conjecture.

I hadn't checked Beowulf_(hero) yesterday, but it mentions Bee-wolf as a theory (with a reference) along with others.

On referencing Template:Cite web is fairly self explanatory. And a Bare URL is better than nothing.TSventon (talk) 12:35, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

To add dot mark[edit]

Sir, in Dr. Shamsheer's article a slight change is needed. 1:) In alma mater section in infobox, provide a dot mark(•) before each medical college name. 2:) In parents name column in infobox also provide with a dot mark(•) before each parent name. 3:) In Awards section column in infobox provide with a dot mark(•) before each award name. These all dot mark were present at desired places which I mentioned above but you have removed it by mistake. Hope! you will restore it again. Thanks. Best wishes. (223.230.135.55 (talk) 20:02, 2 July 2019 (UTC))

223.230.135.55, I am glad to see this has been resolved. I have checked my edit and it did not change the info box.TSventon (talk) 15:54, 3 July 2019 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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Copyvios[edit]

If a copyvio is blatant then you don't need to list it at WP:CP, you can just remove it yourself. WP:CP is mainly for more complex cases e.g. where the source isn't known, it's not clear which bits are copyvio, the licensing status of the content isn't clear or where the author claims to have permission. If you want to request revision deletion then you can use {{copyvio-revdel}} as long as it's clearly a copyvio. Hut 8.5 14:59, 8 August 2019 (UTC)

@Hut 8.5: Thanks, that is useful for next time. I don't look for copyvios so any I find are likely to be fairly obvious. TSventon (talk) 10:45, 9 August 2019 (UTC)

University of Oxford[edit]

Hi, I'm not sure whether you meant to remove the 'public research university' field, as it was mixed with some IP edits. As far as I know most UK university are public universities, only a few private ones. Aloneinthewild (talk) 21:17, 22 August 2019 (UTC)

Hi, I assume this is my edit of 08:32, 11 July 2019‎: I edit the article fairly frequently and don't remember the detail of all the unconstructive edits I revert. I reversed an IP edit which I thought was unconstructive because it removed content and added the phrase public research university. User:Jonathan A Jones had previously deleted the word public at 12:38, 6 February 2019 with the edit summary "delete "public": the division of universities into "public" and "private" is unclear and rarely helpful in the UK". I now see that Wikipedia consistently describes non-private UK universities as public universities, but I am not aware of reliable UK sources which do so. TSventon (talk) 08:36, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

The majority of UK universities, and certainly Oxford and Cambridge, are not "public" universities in the sense the word is understood in continental Europe or the US, and I do think this description for Oxford is confusing. But given the current contents of the United Kingdom section of Public University, which is pretty heavily laced with caveats, I no longer actively remove this description from the page. Jonathan A Jones (talk) 09:37, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

Thanks @Jonathan A Jones:. @Aloneinthewild:, I am happy to follow Jonathan A Jones's example. TSventon (talk) 10:06, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

draft:Abelstedt[edit]

hi. Before you all waste to much time on draft:Abelstedt, be aware that the creator, despite his assurance that he has no connection to the firm, is one of the owners. He was quite cross with me for deleting it on dawiki as a pure, non notable, commercial. Regards KnudW (talk) 12:35, 23 August 2019 (UTC)

@KnudW: thank you for the information, which is not too surprising given the content of the article. Are you planning to request deletion of the English article? TSventon (talk) 08:24, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

That’s up to you. I assume that it will cleared out of draft space at some time? Regards KnudW (talk) 11:06, 24 August 2019 (UTC)

@KnudW: You have placed a Template:COI on the article: could you start a discussion on the article talk page? The template guidance says "Like the other neutrality-related tags, if you place this tag, you should promptly start a discussion on the article's talk page to explain what is non-neutral about the article. If you do not start this discussion, then any editor is justified in removing the tag without warning. Be careful not to violate the policy against WP:OUTING users who have not publicly self-disclosed their identities on the English Wikipedia." If you have evidence of conflict of interest (which I don't) you could post on Wikipedia:Conflict_of_interest/Noticeboard. My Danish is fairly basic, so I am not well placed to judge if the company is notable or not. The draft has been submitted for review via articles for creation which has a backlog of around 8 weeks. TSventon (talk) 11:45, 26 August 2019 (UTC)

Done. Draft talk:Abelstedt — regards KnudW (talk) 12:39, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

@KnudW: Thanks, I have asked Ojcapital to respond to your posting. TSventon (talk) 15:43, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

copyvio report[edit]

Hi! I saw your note on the Hut's user page about reporting copyvio. I usually just ask on User Dianaa's talk page to do revision-deletion; she is excellent. ThatMontrealIP (talk) 22:56, 28 August 2019 (UTC)

@ThatMontrealIP: Thanks, I will bear that in mind next time I encounter a major copyvio (which doesn't happen that often). TSventon (talk) 11:50, 29 August 2019 (UTC)

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Teahouse: Neutrality[edit]

You moved my question, but I have no idea where it was moved to, and if there have been any responses. Can you please help me? Many thanks. The Retiree (talk) 19:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

@The Retiree: Hi, I moved your question on 17 January to a new section called "Neutrality" and it got two answers, but I think the problem was that it was automatically archived after two days. Sorry if that was confusing, but at least you knew who to ask (or blame). The section is now archived at Wikipedia:Teahouse/Questions/Archive_1045#Neutrality. Your username is quite distinctive, so you can also find your archived Teahouse queries by entering "the retiree" into the "Go find it" box under the contents list on the right of the Teahouse page (and clicking "Go find it"). TSventon (talk) 23:42, 20 January 2020 (UTC)

Wycliffe Hall[edit]

Thank you for your message. It is not clear where the article talk box is, so I am responding here. I can confirm that, in compliance with the rules on conflict of interest, I am not in any way employed by any of the organisations whose entries I edit, including Wycliffe Hall. — Preceding unsigned comment added by EJGKeene (talk • contribs) 13:53, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

@EJGKeene: Thanks for the confirmation. Pinging @2601:188:180:B8E0:65F5:930C:B0B2:CD63: for information. The best place to discuss the article is Talk:Wycliffe Hall, Oxford as anyone who has the article on their watchlist will be notified and the conversation will be available for reference by people who edit the article in future. TSventon (talk) 14:24, 25 February 2020 (UTC)

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Answer to your question about ancestors of the Franks[edit]

Hi, yes it was only a "maybe" for the purposes of that conversation. But in all seriousness the Lower Rhine Germanic peoples had Celtic tribal and personal names at the time when Caesar first encountered them. One question is whether we consider those to be the ancestors of the Franks, but generally they are discussed that way. A lot of what has been written about this was not published in English, but for example:

• von Petrikovits, Harald (1999), "Germani Cisrhenani", in Beck, H.; Geuenich, D.; Steuer, H. (eds.), Germanenprobleme in heutiger Sicht, Walter de Gruyter, ISBN 978-3110164381CS1 maint: ref=harv (link)

The main point I would make about all this is that actually scholars now admit more clearly that we know very little, and we can eliminate few options. I don't have anything handy, but it is also interesting to read the varying assessments about when high, low and north sea west germanic split up, and how different they were likely to have been in late antiquity.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 11:38, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Andrew Lancaster, thanks, I was hoping you would give me some interesting background reading and you did. I find seeing how scholars deal with knowing very little one of the most interesting aspects of the study of late antiquity, especially late antique Britain. TSventon (talk) 13:07, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

I agree. Makes it tough on us sometimes. What makes it tougher is that the 19th and 20th century was a period where you could make a career from basically just making up a story that sounded about right. I feel in many scholarly disciplines we are now in a period that everyone is being careful again.--Andrew Lancaster (talk) 17:18, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

TSventon, what you say reminds me that a few scholars, Warren Anderson among them, have now done good work on conjecturing what Song the Syrens sang. Armand d’Angour could have had an All Souls fellowship to work on it but said there was a problem with lack of sources. As someone said at the time, all the more reason to look for more! Moonraker (talk) 17:46, 9 January 2021 (UTC)

Moonraker, thanks for recommending Anderson's paper. I think I now have enough sources to write "Private halls of the University of Oxford", but will resist any temptation to write one on "What song the Syrens sang". TSventon (talk) 12:32, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

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Craighouse, Edinburgh & Haymarket, Edinburgh[edit]

Hi there,

Following on from your comments on the talk pages for Craig House, Edinburgh and Haymarket, Edinburgh, I've updated the as per your instruction if you wouldn't mind having a look over?

It looks like Quartermile, which I was also working on has been updated already.

Thanks

RS Qmile (talk) 15:51, 12 January 2021 (UTC)

@RS Qmile: Hi, thanks for your patience with the requested edit system. I am not very knowledgeable about development articles, so I would prefer not to update them. You could try pinging the two editors who replied to you on the Quartermile talk page. TSventon (talk) 20:38, 13 January 2021 (UTC)

Opposition to speedy[edit]

I do not understand your opposition to my speedy renamings. All those categories are about Catholic canon law and not about any other canon law, e.g. the Canon law of the Anglican Communion, which is the main reason why they should be renamed. Veverve (talk) 16:39, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

@Veverve, I didn't think that you had explained why C2B would apply, but @Oculi now has, so I have struck my opposes. TSventon (talk) 21:19, 18 January 2021 (UTC)

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Alumni of Oxford[edit]

Hi TSventon. You recently made an edit where you removed "Alumni of University of Oxford" and "Alumni of University of Oxford by College| Hertford College", but kept "Alumni of Hertford College, Oxford". What was the reason for that? Dr. Universe (talk) 02:44, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

Hi Dr. Universe, I edited Nike Dattani because members of "Alumni of X College, Oxford" don't need to be in "Alumni of University of Oxford" or "Alumni of University of Oxford by College" as well. Category:Alumni of the University of Oxford has messages saying "This category is for alumni of the University of Oxford, grouped by college." and "Pages in this category should be moved to subcategories where applicable. This category may require frequent maintenance to avoid becoming too large. It should directly contain very few, if any, pages and should mainly contain subcategories." Category:Alumni of the University of Oxford by college just contains college subcategories. I hope that makes sense. TSventon (talk) 00:46, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Correct typos in one click[edit]

New lists, only lower case. Thanks, Uziel302 (talk) 20:35, 1 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, Uziel302, I have done a few. Is this maintenance mode yet? TSventon (talk) 15:30, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

TSventon, I haven't run the script for a while, so we got a nice new batch, it should keep running this way until I get to expand the list of suspect words. Uziel302 (talk) 18:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

Uziel302, I am curious how many apparent errors you picked up and how many days there were between this and your last report, as that would give an estimate of how manyb typos are added in a day. I have cleared page 20 and most seem to be genuine typos. One oddity, there were four cases of "splited->splitt" (rather than split) in Old revision of Correct_typos_in_one_click/20. TSventon (talk) 21:52, 2 February 2021 (UTC)

I port the script from C to python and made some changes manually so it doesn't surprise me that there are some changes, I am surprised most of the output is good... The previous list focused on capital letters and that was hard to work on because most of the words were legit names. The previous lowercase list was done by Oct 25. The switch to python allows me to run the script on toolforge without downloading the whole wikipedia dump to my computer, and I hope I will be able to run it every month. Uziel302 (talk) 12:25, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Uziel302, Smaller regular lists are probably ideal, if more work. I did page 20 yesterday and fixed 243 errors (81% of 300) and page 18 today and fixed 177 errors (71% of 250) so it seems lists get stale quite quickly. TSventon (talk) 21:47, 3 February 2021 (UTC)

Update: I and another editor did page 17 today/yesterday and fixed 182 errors (72% of 250). TSventon (talk) 14:46, 7 February 2021 (UTC)

Page 15 yesterday 170 errors (68% of 250). TSventon (talk) 00:35, 11 February 2021 (UTC)

Page 14 today/yesterday 170 errors (68% of 250). TSventon (talk) 19:49, 14 February 2021 (UTC)

Page 13 today/yesterday 156 errors (62% of 250). TSventon (talk) 22:43, 17 February 2021 (UTC)

Page 8 today 150 errors (60% of 250). TSventon (talk) 17:26, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Page 2 today 143 errors (57% of 250). TSventon (talk) 21:34, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Just letting you know that you are miscorrecting valid non English words. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 15:40, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Sir Joseph Please can you let me know the errors you have found. I am careful to leave valid non English words, but of course I can make mistakes. I see that you reverted my change frum → forum: if frum is correct, what does it mean? TSventon (talk) 15:51, 21 February 2021 (UTC)

Frum is a Yiddish word meaning religious. Thanks. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 03:41, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Sir Joseph. I have been using Wikipedia:Correct typos in one click to make corrections, which does give the option to remove valid words from the list of suggested corrections. User:Uziel302 started the tool on Hebrew Wikipedia, so they may be more familiar with Yiddish than I am. TSventon (talk) 21:07, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

The thing is that frum is probably also a common misspelling of forum. But I guess people can check the context or leave it in and it can get caught another way. Sir Joseph ^(talk) 21:46, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Sir Joseph, the tool actually suggested frum->from. I would probably replace frum with Orthodox in that sentence as the Vosizneias and Hamodia articles don't mention frum. Also the Matzav.com external link should be removed. TSventon (talk) 23:12, 22 February 2021 (UTC)

Cases like this are the reason the words should be checked manually... I know very little Yiddish by the way, but I have the advantage of searching Yiddish, since they use the same letters as Hebrew, frum is indeed religious. Uziel302 (talk) 14:07, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

I knew the name Fruma, it even appeared in American movie Fiddler on the Roof, now I see it means religious woman... Uziel302 (talk) 14:11, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

Uziel302 I have been keeping track of errors fixed on whole pages and fixed 143 errors on Page 2 yesterday (57% of 250). I was pleased that most of the entries were still valid after three weeks. Hopefully frum was my only error. TSventon (talk) 14:38, 24 February 2021 (UTC)

This is HelenDegenerate.[edit]

Hi TSventon, this is HelenDegenerate. I noticed that you mentioned me on the talk page for Martyn Percy. Said I reverted a related edit. What did you mean by that? I don’t remember being involved in any discussion of Martyn Percy. HelenDegenerate (talk) 00:40, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi HelenDegenerate, I pinged you because you reverted an edit to Martyn Percy at 20:17, 2 April 2021‎. The edit related to splitting content into a new article, the subject of the talk page discussion. Looking at your edit history you may have been responding to a vandalism alert of some kind, which could explain why you don’t remember the edit. TSventon (talk) 13:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Question about dash on help desk[edit]

Somebody, probably me, left an en dash in one of the conversations we had yesterday on the help desk. Could you please tell me if I should remove it?--Thylacine24 (talk) 17:32, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Hi Thylacine24, you are welcome to remove it. You can work out who added it by looking at the page history. TSventon (talk) 17:38, 5 April 2021 (UTC).

@TSventon: Thanks. Sorry that I didn't think to look at the page history myself. It was me who added the dash. Turns out there was a space, too.--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:12, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon: Also, one of my responses to you in that conversation, specifically the one starting with "I checked and his last edit ...", was one I changed entirely because I hadn't checked how recent the edit was. Sorry not to have used a strikethrough. I feel kind of bad about that; could you please tell me if I should make a note of it on the help desk?--Thylacine24 (talk) 18:45, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thylacine24 there is no need to add a strike through to the conversation at this stage. I am glad you were able to contact the other editor successfully. TSventon (talk) 19:13, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon: Thanks. Thanks on both fronts. Just for the record, I did originally just write "[t]hanks", and then revise it after reconsideration; this didn't start off as a deliberate attempt to show that I'd improved on that front. I'm sure I'll repeat this mistake later. I haven't improved on that front and that I'll repeat this mistake later. I also forgot to write anything in the edit summary after my first strikethrough in this comment. comment. Sorry about that, and also about forgetting to add any apologies in the previous edits of this message outside of one edit summary. summary. Sorry to forget to have added an apology in the previous edit summary, especially considering what the edit was about. about. Sorry about to forget to end the strikethrough around summary.--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:14, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thylacine24, no problem and you don't need use a ping template on talk pages because the owner automatically gets notified when you post there. TSventon (talk) 19:42, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for telling me. Sorry about that last strikethrough error, and the fact that I undid an edit on a user talk page that wasn't my own because I forgot to add an edit summary. Also sorry for you to have to fix that reversed edit.--Thylacine24 (talk) 19:49, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

I mentioned this conversation with you, with your name, on the help desk. Sorry about that.--Thylacine24 (talk) 03:41, 6 April 2021 (UTC)

It’s Helen again[edit]

Hi TSventon, I just got your message about Martyn Percy. As it turns out, when I looked at my contributions, I actually did revert an edit to the page. The edit got caught in one of the filters I had on (‘may be bad faith’) and I thought it was blanking. Since I don’t normally look at the article talk pages, I had no idea it was part of a discussion. Sorry if I caused any inconvenience. HelenDegenerate (talk) 18:18, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

HelenDegenerate, you correctly indentified an edit as unexplained content removal and quite appropriately reversed it on 2 April. The edit was redone with an edit summary, still on 2 April, and a talk page discussion about it was started on 4 April.

I probably should have checked your edit history before pinging you and realised that your edit was vandalism related rather than because you were interested in the specific article. I think you could have checked the history of the article to see if that was why I messaged you, but that is not a major issue. TSventon (talk) 19:06, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Your submission at Articles for creation: Villa Pliniana has been accepted[edit]

Villa Pliniana, which you submitted to Articles for creation, has been created.

Congratulations, and thank you for helping expand the scope of Wikipedia! We hope you will continue making quality contributions.

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Thanks again, and happy editing!

Bkissin (talk) 01:06, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Bkissin, thank you for your work at AfC. I used AfC on this occasion because I was rescuing another editor's draft, just in case I had missed any problems with the article. TSventon (talk) 12:50, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

Oriel College, Oxford Featured article review[edit]

I have nominated Oriel College, Oxford for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. SandyGeorgia (Talk) 22:48, 15 May 2021 (UTC)

Kyiv and Kiev[edit]

Yes, it could be changed to Kyiv when there is no reliable English sources. But I followed WP:UCRN, because I found an English language sources that is not transliterated from Ukrainian language. The Supermind (talk) 17:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

The Supermind, I have no opinion on the name of Kiev Day and Night, but I would endorse the final point of WP:KIEV, which is to follow WP:BRD. TSventon (talk) 17:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)

Sunshine[edit]

		Sunshine!
		Hello TSventon! Interstellarity (talk) has given you a bit of sunshine to brighten your day! Sunshine promotes WikiLove and hopefully it has made your day better. Spread the sunshine by adding {{subst:User:Meaghan/Sunshine}} to someone else's talk page, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. In addition, you can spread the sunshine to anyone who visits your userpage and/or talk page by adding {{User:Meaghan/Sunshine icon}}. Happy editing! Interstellarity (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Happy first day of summer, TSventon!! Interstellarity (talk) 20:16, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Checking for unwanted characters using the browser console[edit]

(Continued from Wikipedia:Help desk#Redlink to Heathrow Airport in order to not clutter that page too much)
Honestly, if you're a complete novice WRT browser dev tools, I wouldn't recommend you try doing it this way. It'd probably be faster for you to edit the page, re-type the string in question, and use "View changes" or the diff to find out what changed, then just google those characters if you want to know what they are (or search them here; Wikipedia has redirects for a bunch of them). Also, there are probably better tools for this kind of thing – for instance, I wouldn't be surprised if WP:AWB were able to detect invisible characters and characters from different writing systems sprinkled where they probably don't belong, though I've never used it myself. Also also, it's not a very good idea to paste code a stranger on the internet wrote into your browser console unless you understand what it does or trust the person who wrote it (then again, user scripts pose the same theoretical risk, and everybody still uses them without looking at them, including myself).

All that said, if you do want to do it this hard, overcomplicated, probably slower unless you're used to working with the dev console, way, here's how:

1. Open your browser's developer tools. In most browsers, press Ctrl+⇧ Shift+I (⌘ Command+⌥ Option+I on Mac). If that doesn't work, you can try looking for them in your browser's menu or just google how to do it in your particular browser. If your browser is very out of date (i.e. Internet Explorer), this might not work for you. If your browser's reasonably up to date, it should.
2. Go to the "Console" tab in the dev tools. Disregard the error messages you will almost certainly find there, many websites, including Wikipedia, just spit out a bunch of those while working completely fine.
3. Paste in the following code:

   console.log(``.split("").map(c => `"${c}": U+${c.codePointAt().toString(16).toUpperCase()}`).join("\n"))
   

   I've modified it a bit so the results are more readable and it's less error-prone.
4. Paste the offending text between the first set of backticks (`, right in front of .split). The result should look something like this:

   console.log(`abс`.split("").map(c => `"${c}": U+${c.codePointAt().toString(16).toUpperCase()}`).join("\n"))
   

   If the text contains backticks itself (which is unlikely), you have to escape them by putting a backslash in front of them (except of course the main surrounding ones between which you pasted your text).
5. Press ↵ Enter.
6. You should now see a list of all the characters in your string along with their code points at the bottom of the console, like this:

   "a": U+61
   "b": U+62
   "с": U+441

   Left of the colon, enclosed in double quotes, are the characters, right of the colon are the code points in hexadecimal notation. All of the English Latin letters and all of the normal punctuation will have double-digit code points, while non-Latin characters will always have three or more digits (you'll notice this is the case here – that's because the third letter is a Cyrillic Es). I don't think there's a way to get the names of the characters from JavaScript, unfortunately. From here, just look for the characters with suspiciously high code points and search for the characters or their code points here or on Google (or Bing if you're so inclined, I guess).

If I haven't yet managed to scare you off with my ramblings and how complicated this actually is if you've never done something like it before, happy editing. If I have: I'm considering making a user script that would make it possible to do this in a much more user-friendly way – unless of course somebody smarter than me has already made something of the sort. If I do do that, I'll try to remember to notify you. – Rummskartoffel 22:02, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

@Rummskartoffel:, thank you for taking time to explain. That works in Chrome, but is probably too complicated for me to use regularly. I was quoting an old helpdesk query about an editor who was doing edits to add Cyrillic vowels to articles, so fortunately the problem has already been solved, I just didn't know how. TSventon (talk) 22:36, 26 June 2021 (UTC)

Zero-width spaces[edit]

Hi there, just to say thanks for letting me know about the zero-width space issue. Tacyarg (talk) 09:35, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Tacyarg, my pleasure, I wanted to know in case a similar query comes up in future. There is a more complicated solution in the previous section of this talk page. TSventon (talk) 11:27, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Remove or edit wrong information[edit]

Remove content from the page with title "current caliph of islam". That information is totally wrong and misleading. Correctorpk (talk) 02:51, 21 July 2021 (UTC)

FYI[edit]

Just a heads up. --- Possibly ☎ 17:43, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Possibly, are you going to add Prix Versailles 2015, etc. to the deletion nomination? I will ask at WP Architecture if they think the prize is notable. TSventon (talk) 21:01, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I added them to the list inside the single AfD. Do you think it needs to be made into a multi? I might not have phrased the AFD in the best way. The real question is what to keep and what to delete in the face of the massive promotion. Nice job on tracking these down, by the way! --- Possibly ☎ 21:04, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Possibly, it's been an interesting experience, including my first visit to id Wikipedia. I think it should be a multi as it doesn't make sense to delete PV and leave PV 2015, etc. My opinion is we should decide based on notability, which I think is debatable, but I'm no specialist. TSventon (talk) 21:14, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon:, what does "id Wikipedia" mean-- sockpuppet investigations? Regarding the multi, I have made it so. Thanks. --- Possibly ☎ 19:13, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly:, "idwiki" is Indonesian Wikipedia. I will vote on the AfD shortly. By the way, have you encountered cross-Wikipedia UPE before? I am interested to see how 16 Wikipedias and Wikidata clean up. TSventon (talk) 22:28, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

@TSventon: Ah id= Indonesia! Regarding cross-wiki promotion, I have come across this kind of thing two or three times. The last one I remember was someone pushing a Russian painter. It's quite common in the arts that individual artists develop massive egos and think they need to get the word out on their work globally. In the culture business self-promotion is also part of the business by nature. Regarding the outcome, the stewards will lock all those accounts shortly, across multiple wikis. The Prix Versailles pages on en and fr look to be headed for deletion, but the discussions are still in progress. Some wikis will take action while others can't be bothered or do not have the staff. This kind of cross-wiki manipulation really bothers many editors, and when the bothered editor is an admin or checkuser, you will see results! Thanks for your great work on this. --- Possibly ☎ 04:50, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

@Possibly:, it is interesting to read more about this household. It is obviously large, long lasting, enthusiastic and multilingual. Perhaps they are all working at home due to the pandemic. TSventon (talk) 11:53, 27 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

		The Original Barnstar
		For your work in identifying a hoax article - may the creators of such things be hit on the head with a "Whimbling Iron" EdwardUK (talk) 12:43, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks EdwardUK, I found it by accident. Also by accident, I recently found Prix Versailles, which has created more work than the whimbling iron did. TSventon (talk) 12:56, 30 July 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

	The Writer's Barnstar
	Thankyou for your recent improvements to Dame Paulet almshouse, much appreciated - Dumelow (talk) 06:49, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Dumelow, Thank you, I am glad you are broadly happy with my changes. TSventon (talk) 07:14, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

DYK for Royal Dental Hospital[edit]

On 15 August 2021, Did you know was updated with a fact from the article Royal Dental Hospital, which you recently created, substantially expanded, or brought to good article status. The fact was ... that the Royal Dental Hospital opened the first dental school in Britain in 1859? The nomination discussion and review may be seen at Template:Did you know nominations/Royal Dental Hospital. You are welcome to check how many pageviews the nominated article or articles got while on the front page (here's how, Royal Dental Hospital), and if they received a combined total of at least 416.7 views per hour (i.e., 5,000 views in 12 hours or 10,000 in 24), the hook may be added to the statistics page. Finally, if you know of an interesting fact from another recently created article, then please feel free to suggest it on the Did you know talk page.

 — Amakuru (talk) 12:02, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

thanks[edit]

I had no idea why my user name was red. :)