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I propose merging and/or redirecting [[List of United States Army tactical truck models]] into this list. The former list is at times poorly sourced and even includes vehicles that have only seen USMC service, this list is sourced and inclusive of all services of the US. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 10:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC). |
I propose merging and/or redirecting [[List of United States Army tactical truck models]] into this list. The former list is at times poorly sourced and even includes vehicles that have only seen USMC service, this list is sourced and inclusive of all services of the US. [[User:Cavalryman|Cavalryman]] ([[User talk:Cavalryman|talk]]) 10:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC). |
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:As creator of the list I'm going to object strongly. I think this is a cheap way to overwrite an existing list. |
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:The tactical truck list has been in place since [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_United_States_Army_tactical_truck_models&oldid=754893663. December 2016] A similar list "utility vehicle" title was created [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=List_of_utility_vehicles_of_the_United_States_Armed_Forces&oldid=1044595314. a month ago]. Both have the same information. |
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:The title is inaccurate. "utility vehicle" is a term for a type of small tactical vehicle. Jeeps are utility vehicles. Ambulances are not utility vehicles. Cargo vehicles are not utility vehicles. Tankers, dump trucks, on and on, are not utility vehicles. Most have the word "Truck" in their proper title, recent have "Vehicle", very few have "utility". The "Armed Forces" sounds good. |
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:The quote "<i>even includes</i> vehicles that have only seen USMC service" is a cheap insult, the line "The US Marines have used both US Army and their own specific models, some are shown" is in the first paragraph. |
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:I'd like to talk about "at times poorly sourced". I don't think you understand. |
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:Most of the [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_Army_tactical_truck_models#References. references] are links to download the US Army Technical Manuals. These are secondary sources for all mechanical information, the manufacturer provides them to the Army. These numbers are one level below the manufacturer and published by the US Government. I have not only shown my numbers to be accurate, I have given the reader the chance to see and possess them directly from the list. |
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:Your "Bibliography" is good. You can back up your information and tell the reader where to read it, but I give the actual vehicle to them directly from the list. |
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:You <i>should</i> have renamed it and added your stuff, just moved in. That's how it works. Making up your bad name on a knock-off list just stinks, and you sort of insulted the wrong person. |
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:The entire reason I made this list so that I could give the reader direct, accurate information. I want those PDFs in from the start, then someone will have to try to remove them. I want them in <i>before</i> your good stuff. I suggest that the "army" list should be moved to a good title and then "utility" be merged into the new title. I'm going to fight for the PDFs first, <i>then</i> you take over. [[User:Sammy D III|Sammy D III]] ([[User talk:Sammy D III|talk]]) 15:05, 5 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Merger proposal: List of United States Army tactical truck models
I propose merging and/or redirecting List of United States Army tactical truck models into this list. The former list is at times poorly sourced and even includes vehicles that have only seen USMC service, this list is sourced and inclusive of all services of the US. Cavalryman (talk) 10:44, 5 October 2021 (UTC).
- As creator of the list I'm going to object strongly. I think this is a cheap way to overwrite an existing list.
- The tactical truck list has been in place since December 2016 A similar list "utility vehicle" title was created a month ago. Both have the same information.
- The title is inaccurate. "utility vehicle" is a term for a type of small tactical vehicle. Jeeps are utility vehicles. Ambulances are not utility vehicles. Cargo vehicles are not utility vehicles. Tankers, dump trucks, on and on, are not utility vehicles. Most have the word "Truck" in their proper title, recent have "Vehicle", very few have "utility". The "Armed Forces" sounds good.
- The quote "even includes vehicles that have only seen USMC service" is a cheap insult, the line "The US Marines have used both US Army and their own specific models, some are shown" is in the first paragraph.
- I'd like to talk about "at times poorly sourced". I don't think you understand.
- Most of the references are links to download the US Army Technical Manuals. These are secondary sources for all mechanical information, the manufacturer provides them to the Army. These numbers are one level below the manufacturer and published by the US Government. I have not only shown my numbers to be accurate, I have given the reader the chance to see and possess them directly from the list.
- Your "Bibliography" is good. You can back up your information and tell the reader where to read it, but I give the actual vehicle to them directly from the list.
- You should have renamed it and added your stuff, just moved in. That's how it works. Making up your bad name on a knock-off list just stinks, and you sort of insulted the wrong person.
- The entire reason I made this list so that I could give the reader direct, accurate information. I want those PDFs in from the start, then someone will have to try to remove them. I want them in before your good stuff. I suggest that the "army" list should be moved to a good title and then "utility" be merged into the new title. I'm going to fight for the PDFs first, then you take over. Sammy D III (talk) 15:05, 5 October 2021 (UTC)